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Cluster OneMarch 30, 2017 at 19:55 I’d put it this way, …

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Cluster OneMarch 30, 2017 at 19:55

I’d put it this way, if Celtic were selling a young player, their very best young player, or even if his contract was up and they were getting a nice development fee, that would be reported, high and wide in the SMSM, as a very big negative!

If TRFC are happy to see this young developing talent leave before the supporters have had a chance to see him play in the first team, something is very wrong!

And if their supporters see it as a positive…heaven help them!

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Cluster OneMarch 30, 2017 at 19:47 
ALLYJAMBOMARCH 30, 2017 at 15:05 It’s almost as though someone is no longer pushing the ‘feel good’ factor stories to the media stenographers,—————————–Maybe even the smsm know they went all out with MW (next England manager and all that) they know it’s to soon to start pedaling the same p..h so soon
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That’s not really what I was talking about, and you give the SMSM hacks too much credit in suggesting they have the self awareness to realise the mistakes they’ve made. (Hope that doesn’t read like I am criticising you)

What I was referring to was the random ‘feel good’ spiels they were in the habit of publishing, ‘Richard Gough says the young talent at Rangers (sic) are the best he’s seen in years’, kind of thing.

There’s a reason for bumming up new managers, or deriding them if they’re called Delia or Cathro, as there is a story there (a club has a new manager), and that story arrives at an exact moment, but we have been bombarded with nonsense for the past 5 years, randomly, in a positive light about TRFC. These positive stories have arrived (it feels like) on a weekly (at times, daily) basis. There’s the usual damage limitation outpourings, of course, just now, but the needless sh*t hasn’t been spouted for a wee while now.

I really do miss Barry’s insightful comments…not!


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Richard Gough, we haven’t heard from him for a while, I do hope he’s well.

He used to be one of the go-to-men whenever an upbeat interview was required, but I suppose upbeat is a bit more difficult just now, and associating yourself with Dave King could be considered unwise nowadays. He seemed to disappear from our media round about the time JJ published some very disparaging remarks about him, and, I suppose, it’s given us a very welcome break from his sycophancy. In fact, it’s a relatively long time (a week or so when TRFC is the topic) since we’ve had anyone spouting random words of wisdom and amazingness about TRFC, other than in completely understandable moments like the appointment of a new manager. Has Baz the Raz stopped writing his column in the DR now that he’s free from the constraints of running Clyde FC? It seems a while since I’ve seen anyone ripping his words to shreds.

It’s almost as though someone is no longer pushing the ‘feel good’ factor stories to the media stenographers, or it’s been decided that a low profile might be the best course of action for the foreseeable future, with only the firefighting hogwash to douse the rumours surrounding the boardroom changes along with the TOP Appeal (that’s not being reported as an appeal in some outlets) result being downplayed. In other words, the only PR is the necessary PR!

If, when nothing very much is happening, we get lots of words, does reduced PR outpourings mean something they don’t want us (rather, the bears) to know is happening?


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Possibly on the wrong track here, but I do wonder how Club 1872 wasn’t included as part of the concert party investigations. It may well be that the investigations were concluded before King got in bed with them, but having a representative on both boards (TRFC and Club 1972) in James Blair, must come pretty close to tying them together as part of the same party! There can be little doubt that Club 1872 would vote in whatever way King/TRFC board wants it to, and even if there was a dissenting voice (hence the recent resignation, perhaps), James Blair, plus King’s cohorts on the board, would almost certainly hold sway.

And now, allegedly, James Blair allowed Club 1872 to purchase shares at 27.5p at a time when the most recent purchase, at the time, (by King/concert party) had gone through at 20p! He was also, at the same time, aware that the board were being investigated by the Takeover Panel, surely something that would have created a discount in the price, rather than a premium, if it was public knowledge; but as it wasn’t in the public domain, which hat was James Blair wearing when he discussed the purchase with his fellow C1872 board members? The minutes of that meeting might be very illuminating!


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Big PinkJanuary 2, 2018 at 13:54 
AJI suspect the TDs are not from SFM folk (remember the ratings are available to all manner of trolls). It is a disgusting world-view if made in earnest. A shocking way to score a point if not.
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I didn’t, for a moment, suspect they were from anyone who posts here, even the more prolific troll posters are better than that, I am sure. 

For some time now I have had the feeling that there is someone, or some people, coming on here and just TDing a number of posts without bothering to read their content, either out of malice or as some sort of concerted effort on behalf of people with reason to dislike our message. It really is quite strange how, suddenly, a number of posts receive one, two or occasionally three thumbs down in very short order, and often posts like uth’s, that could offend no one, receive these petty TDs as a result. 

I can honestly say that I have never read anything from our regular, or occasional, posters that might suggest they would TD anything relating to that terrible day. I include, of course, all supporters of Celtic and RFC/TRFC who have, over the years, made their arguments on SFM. My experience of Celtic supporters talking of that day is one that leaves me certain in the knowledge that only the basest of their support (and we all have them) were not badly effected by the disaster and in full sympathy with the deceased, their families and the wider Rangers support. 

I can still remember that night, sitting in the Queens Arms in Edinburgh, watching the death count rising on the TV, waiting for one of our mates we knew was at the game, getting more and more nervous until he appeared. It had a lasting effect on me.


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upthehoopsJanuary 2, 2018 at 08:52 29 2
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On this day in 1971, the Ibrox disaster happened during a Rangers v Celtic game at Ibrox. 66 fans died in a crush. Some of us remember that day, some of us may even have been there, while some of us would not even be on this earth at the time. We are all football fans. Nobody should go to a football match and never return home. Rest in Peace.
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Wow! I know we are not meant to put much store on the thumbs up or down, but two people have given thumbs down to this post! Who on earth could find fault with a post respecting the dead from the Ibrox disaster?

It kind of confirms my belief that there are people coming onto this site who don’t read the posts, but are assigned with the task of creating the appearance that there is some disagreement with posts that mostly criticise Rangers(IL) and TRFC and hit the TD button without thought.

Alternatively, of course, it could just be that others, like myself, have difficulty hitting the correct symbol on tablets or mobile phones, I certainly hope that is the case here.

Thanks to Upthehoops for reminding us of that sad day, something we should do every year as a mark of respect for those who died on Scottish football’s worst day.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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DBD, though I used your above post to highlight the impossibility of separating club from company, I have to agree, to some extent, with the thrust of the post. While I am not sure that by declaring himself bankrupt that King could escape the wrath of the TOP and CoS, he isn’t going to do anything for the benefit of your club if it doesn’t benefit him, or save him, at the same time.

That said, however, King’s ‘ownership’ of the NOAL Trust was established in court to the judge’s satisfaction, and I doubt that he would get away with making further loans to RIFC plc through it or any other hidden avenue, once declared bankrupt. Indeed, despite my limited knowledge of bankruptcy laws, I am certain that King (or anyone else) can’t just announce bankruptcy and clear themselves of all fiscal responsibilities, they have to prove they have no money to meet their debts, and as far as we know, King doesn’t have any – and if he had, the court would make sure the funds in his NOAL Trust would be used to meet them, as far as possible, with, I am sure, an investigation into what other (disguised)investments he holds. One thing’s for sure, he would not be allowed to ‘lend’ any money to RIFC/TRFC, and, if he does, indeed, have substantial debts, his creditors might well force the return of his existing RIFC loans to meet his debts.

One thing’s for sure, the law will not allow someone to avoid the consequences of breaking the laws and regulations of the land by availing one’s self of the laws of bankruptcy! While a little tax cheating scrote like Barry Ferguson might get away with transferring his assets to his wife, just prior to receiving his tax bill, King and his money are already on the court’s radar and I doubt that even his Masonic connections would be enough to let him get away with further fraudulent behaviour.

Something I am sure of, and has to be considered before wondering if bankruptcy is a way out for both/either King or RIFC, and that is – you have to have debts that you demonstrably can’t meet before you can petition for bankruptcy. Unless King has very substantial debts, that outweigh, at least, the funds held in the NOAL Trust, then he has no grounds to declare himself bankrupt.


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DarkbeforedawnJanuary 2, 2018 at 03:48 
Stevie BC, the issue with declaring himself bankrupt is it stops him holding any director role in a company in the UK and possibly South Africa. I can’t see him doing that “for the sake of the club”. I think like Murray before him he likes the limelight. He knows very well the best option for the club would be resign as any acting party in the club and still provide the soft loans. It would take all scrutiny away from the club and could leave the chairman role to someone more respected such as Alistair Johnston. That would stop the risk of the TOP ruling having such a huge impact on the club. It’s the selfless and obvious choice to make and he could still be seen as the saviour from abroad saving the club through loans, but he wouldn’t get the same exposure he so much craves. His defiance is what will lead to his downfall and his selfishness could lead lead to the downfall of the club.
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Hi, DBD, and a Happy New Year to you.

While your recent posts have been pretty good, showing a realistic approach to what’s happening at your club, might I ask how it could be that the chairman of RIFC’s selfishness, and I presume you include his dishonesty in that, could lead to your club’s downfall, if, as you’ve previously claimed, the club is separate from the company? Surely, in your belief structure, it would only be the company, TRFC Ltd, that would ‘fall down’, and the club would just sit around, responsible for none of the inherent financial chicanery of the ‘overspend our way to success’ ethos that permeates at Ibrox, until some new ‘football company’ is set up to carry the can again!

I know it’s a bit early in the year to reintroduce the OC/NC debate, but I am wondering if you’ve, perhaps, come to realise that the idea that a football club can, for some skewed reason, escape the consequences of it’s own greed, is pretty ludicrous?


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ODDJOBJANUARY 1, 2018 at 13:42
Allyjambo,Thanks.I also suspect that the assignation of ” ra deeds” would provoke an angry response in some quarters
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And I suspect that the assignation of ‘ra deeds’, should it ever come to pass, might well be the last throw of the dice! What’s more, once any assets are used as security, it reduces the amount the current lenders are likely to get in the event of liquidation. It may well be that the directors, who are now refusing to give more loans, have, rather than reached the end of their free funds, decided that the lending has reached a level greater than, or close to, the total value of the group’s assets.

It’s one thing lending without security when in a position to ensure there is enough in the pot to, more or less, cover the amount of the loans, it’s an altogether different thing once someone else gets that security!

Whatever the accounts give as a value for the fixed and current assets, the directors will all have a very good idea of the realisable value of those assets (particularly the heritable asset value), and should total creditors begin to outstrip that value, they may well begin to wonder if it’s time to call in the administrators. Granting security over some of the heritable assets would only hasten the moment for unpleasant decisions.

If PMGB is correct in saying King is looking out for loans secured on the club’s heritable assets, then I am certain that the rest of the directors would carry out proper due diligence on the potential lenders before granting any security. Not that they have any dodgy characters in their midst, or anything, just that they are canny businessmen.


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