Comment on Towards a More Professional SFA by goosygoosy.
Hibs fan who tried to punch Rangers player Lee Wallace avoids jail
Thousands of Hibs fans jumped the barriers at the final whistle after their team won its first Scottish Cup Final in 114 years.
A number of Rangers fans also came on to the pitch.
Seems the BBC only count in multiples of a thousand
apart from sectarian singing when its multiples of zeros
goosygoosy Also Commented
Towards a More Professional SFA
MARCH 29, 2017 at 20:55
So why rock the boat before the money comes in? Although I suppose King’s deadline for a share offer will shake things up in a couple of weeks, one way or another
You`ve put your finger on the core of the issue
The timing is all out of sync
The 12 April deadline for publicly initiating the share purchase is incompatible with getting the ST money in. Forced resignation followed by cold shouldering cannot be spun as good news to enough Gulliebillies to match last season’s ST uptake.
There must be preliminary steps that need to be taken this week to get the process under way. so there will be an early warning to the 3Bs this week as to how things are going
We have only seen the 13th March press release from the TAP. But there will also have been a 13th March letter from the TAP to the Chairman requiring a written response from him confirming that he intends to comply with the ruling on the date specified. The Chairman may ask for a delay but not without indicating his acceptance if he does ask for a delay and get agreement the TAP will require him to publicly advise shareholders of the new date or possibly set the new date themselves
It’s not going to happen.
The Chairman had two weeks to consider his position before meeting the rest of the Board last week. If PMG is correct (and he may not be) the Chairman`s position was that he would go ahead with the purchase providing the 3Bs put up the money. He got rejected and promptly had a lengthy interview with a pet journo where he dropped large hints about not ever retiring back to Scotland, being a SA citizen,communicating on Skype ,being happy to remain an influential investor willing to step down in favour of a locally based Chairman etc. etc.
Unfortunately if he decides to renege on the TAP ruling he can`t control the timing of what happens next, nor can he do much about the two upcoming lawsuits
There is a danger for Celtic in all of this mess
A semi-final victory for TRFC irrespective of the circumstances would be a major boost to ST sales at a time “when Scottish Football needs TRFC to survive”
So I wouldn`t be a bit surprised the match is plagued with so many honest mistakes that Celtic make a public complaint afterwards irrespective of the result
Towards a More Professional SFA
MARCH 28, 2017 at 20:48
If King doesn’t stump for the share offer, or if SARS is preventative, where does it leave him?. I don’t imagine cold shouldering would appeal to him, as it may extend to other UK controlled jurisdictions, chiefly Guernsey, amongst others, the location of “Ben Nevis” Would his alternative be to sell off, or relinquish his holding?…If so to whom? Not his co-accused concert party, nor Uncle Mick due to the restrictions upon them. Would the Easedales welcome additional security guards around the directors box for their personal safety?. Or rudderless, and largely clueless “Club” (insert meaningless number) fancy a bite at the cherry, and the opportunity to feed the black hole? I wonder if he has any more dodgy pals in perhaps Hong Kong or South Africa, (or anywhere really), who will be willing to take them off his hands? Plus ca change
Its no coincidence that TRFC have been run by a succession of Spivs since a Spiv changed its name from Sevco Scotland after the Brechin match in July 2012
Its no coincidence either that multiple scandals have occurred during the same period. When Spivs are in charge they regularly come into conflict with the aims of their customers ,suppliers and trade organisations.
Even the arrival of a couple of Directors who seem unlikely spivs hasn`t stopped the scandals.
The TAB concert party ruling is by far the biggest ever scandal in the short life of TRFC. Even so, as a non legally binding ruling the knee jerk reaction of a Spiv would be to defy the ruling.
The Company Secretary encouraged fans last year to buy shares at 27.5p in the full knowledge that the first concert party ruling was either imminent or had just been released with a 20p purchase price.
This leaves the current MD isolated as the only Director with claims to the sort of integrity needed to warrant respect in the business community. It is unknown whether he knew about the TAB ruling last July or just found out when the appeal was rejected on 13 March. PMG has also suggested that the recent unaudited accounts were released without his knowledge and consent
Strategically the MD is between a hard place and a rock. He must ensure the SFA receive proper audited accounts for the period up to 31 March 2017,as they will be forwarded to UEFA. Alternatively, he needs to advise the SFA that TRFC do not wish to be considered for a UEFA spot because they cannot fulfil FFP criteria. Overshadowing this mess is the need to sell STs and fend off lawsuits from MA and the Warburton team.
His only ace card is a threat to resign and tell all. Such a threat may have persuaded the other 3 Directors to quit the TRFC board. By resigning they no longer have a role enabling them to be in and around the Ibrox offices without first advising the MD of their intentions.
It’s an almighty mess
When the ST sale is over either the MD or the 3 Directors or all 4 will leave Ibrox
My money is on all 4 going
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ALLYJAMBOMARCH 28, 2017 at 17:40
goosygoosyMarch 28, 2017 at 16:12
Pretty much as I see it, Goosy, with, I’m sure, the 3bears more concerned about the outcome than King.
One of their problems might be that, should King leave, or be removed from, the board, he might decide it’s time to remove as much of his own money, and the loans he appears to have brokered/financed, as he can, leaving the 3bears in the smelly stuff. On the plus side, though, is the fact that King would be gone and, perhaps, create a situation where someone might come in to do more than just keep the lights on, but who that might be, I can’t imagine.
There is only one option and it’s MA.
My money is on the 3Bs privately indicating to MA that they are willing to publicly sack their Chairman as a peace offering in exchange for dropping the court case
Most likely however MA will have figured they have to sack him anyway and will turn them down. His end game is in sight and he has all the aces. All they have left is to threaten liquidation of TRFC if they lose the court case. Even then it’s not a solution they can exit without more egg on their face
Meanwhile (like by 12 April)
The 3Bs cannot continue to support their Chairman as this effectively gives continuing support to his concert party antics and is a constant reminder to their other business contacts of their unsavoury role in it
It`s damage limitation time for them. They will be focussed on getting themselves off the Board and extricating themselves from this whole shambles with sufficient “dignity” to placate those members of the Brethren who could make life difficult in their wider world.
If PMG is correct and the 3Bs have already turned down an offer by the Chairman to sell his holding, they both know he won`t be Chairman much longer and is unlikely to make the share purchase offer.
My money is on a forced eviction of the Chairman by his fellow Directors on the RIFC Board
They need to gain credibility from the TAB and the wider business world by being seen to force him out.
Reputational damage won`t cause sleepless nights for someone with the image he has acquired in SA. He may even want to be seen as being forced out to give himself a fig leaf to wave at the TAB when he reneges on their ruling and takes his war chest back home.
I also reckon the 3Bs will be gone as soon as enough ST money has been collected to get to mid-year
The MD may also leave in the near future particularly if the Chairman is not ousted
Unlike the 3Bs he doesn`t have the loans and shareholding to complicate his involvement. He also seems to be the only person left with dignity credentials.If there is a plan to liquidate TRFC he will surely be offski before it happens
Recent Comments by goosygoosy
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
JULY 28, 2017 at 11:42
I really think that the SFSA could – and should – grasp an opportunity like the SPFL statement to assume a moral leadership of fans of Scottish football. I’m not sure what it is they hope to provide in terms of moral authority if they are not fearless enough to address directly the biggest and still evolving scandal the game has seen. I am hoping that like Celtic, they are taking time to respond. The question is, how can they ignore it?
Its not all that difficult
.At their next Board meeting the current SFSA Board should vote on whether they are prepared to make upholding sporting integrity the prime goal of their Mission Statement. All other goals will be subservient to this aim. Key Performance Indicators should then be developed to measure whether the governing bodies are upholding integrity going forward. Regular reports should be emailed to members when, as we expect corruption continues to be manifest in mismanagement of current rules and the law of the land. However The SFSA should avoid public involvement on any topic until they have a fully functioning democratically elected Board comprised of Fan Directors.
The focus on integrity should automatically make resolving corruption the number one goal for the immediate term. It would enable an umbrella coalition to be established between the SFSA and other groups solely responsible for pursuing the Judicial Review route. The idea would be that the SFSA address an d measure progress on long term implications of removing the elephant while the rest of the coalition get on with shoving it out the window
Steps should be taken immediately to introduce democracy to SFSA using as a voter roll the names of all those for whom they have email addresses. Groups claiming to represent many unnamed members should be charged with adding them to the email voters roll by a target cut off date. The election of Fan Shadow Directors to overlap with the current Board should proceed on a democratic basis shortly after the cut off date. Whether this is by direct election or through some temporary representative body should be thought through and voted on by email.
The views of the Celtic Board are no longer relevant
They had the opportunity to stand up and be counted .Instead they cooperated by their silence in a disgraceful, unethical and shameless strategy. Their focus now should be removing Bro Walfrids Statue from Celtic Park before it falls over in shame
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
AULDHEIDJULY 27, 2017 at 22:11
Goosey GooseyWhen there is 0% chance of opening the door, 20% is worth backing.
Like I said
I`ve yet to meet the person with 80% integrity
Or put another way
I don`t trust people who have proven untrustworthy on an integrity issue on even one occasion
Sometimes I have no choice but to put my fate in their hands
Some worked out. Some didn`t work out
But because I had no choice I went along with it unwillingly
That wasn`t trust. It was Hobsons choice
When I have the choice not to trust them because there are other options
I don`t trust them and go for an alternative
Having said that
Its a free country (apart from what we both agree on)
People may put their trust in SFAS using whatever criteria they deem most important
For me when dealing with corruption there is zero room for compromise.
Its an issue of integrity, right or wrong ,good or evil, black or white
I won`t trust SFAS
So as I said before
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
AULDHEIDJULY 27, 2017 at 21:32 goosygoosyJuly 27, 2017 at 20:38 (Edit)
Read my post about capacity building. Have you anything better to suggest be done in their place? Are you going to do the work those volunteers do or are you happy just to snoop and snipe?
i have great respect for you and your track record in opposing corruption
I am too long in the tooth now to believe platitudes without checking the facts. I am happy to contribute to a crowd funding initiative seeking a JR of the corruption associated with the recent past
I`m not snowed either by face to face meetings with people who have proven they lack integrity.
Thats a virtue you either have or you don`t have
I`ve yet to meet the person with 80% integrity
So as far as SFAS are concerned
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
Oh Dear as PMG might say
I fear I may have tripped over a can of worms in my previous post at 14.56
Thinking back to the sterling work done by the combined efforts of talented posters on the RTC Blog
I thought it might be fun to have a look at SFSA in a bit more detail
Current Office address 4 Woodside Pl, Glasgow G3 7QL
If you Google Earth this address and postcode there`s a man walking along the pavement who looks awfully like a member of the SPFL. Can`t be sure of course as faces are blurred with Google Earth but the odd way of walking seems familiar.
It was enough to pique my curiosity so I had a look elsewhere on the web
Lo and behold
Up comes the following
Official Launch early April 2015
“The SFSA, which says it has reached 40,000 pledges of support from Scottish fans’ groups at club level, will include a national advisory group.
It will contain experts on football and governance matters, including former First Minister Henry McLeish and Maureen McGonigle, founder of Scottish Women in Sport, and from academia and the business world.
They will work with a football advisory group that so far includes fans from Aberdeen, Ayr United, Celtic, Dumbarton, Hearts and Rangers”
Does 40,000 pledges of support from a Club Group mean every member of that Club has registered an email address with SFSA?
Or does it mean one person from each supporters group registered on behalf of their members with or without their consent? Does this explain why the SFSA had 40000 members before it was launched ?
“Whereabouts on the current website can you find the names of the fans on the Advisory Group from Aberdeen, Ayr United, Celtic, Dumbarton, Hearts and Rangers”
Why are members of the Advisory Group selected by the unelected CEO and Chairman of the SFSA Board and not elected by the members?
The Fans’ Manifesto
Fans want change
Scottish football needs and deserves a future. As a movement of some 50,000 fans (and growing) the Scottish Football Supporters Association (SFSA) believes that it really is possible to renew, reform and reclaim the game. But the engine of that transformation has to be those who love and follow the game. That is what this Fans’ Manifesto is all about.
In 2015 we asked football supporters across Scotland what they wanted to see for the future. We got an amazing 10,000 responses.
Among the mass of ideas and comments there were aspirations large and small. In this document we have distilled some of the biggest ones, and combined them with ideas that have now been in circulation – buttressed by a number of other surveys – for some time. This Manifesto contains nine key pointers towards the future of football game in Scotland. It is intended not as an end, but as the beginning of a renewed national conversation that needs to reach out well beyond the established boundaries if it is going to bring credible action
RENEW THE GAME
01 Bring back the fans through competitive pricing and family facilities at every club
02 Make football in Scotland media-friendly and innovative at every level
03 Re-market the Scottish game, pressing for financial fair shares and transparency REFORM THE GAME
04 Rebuild the game with larger divisions, more variety and improved competition
05 Equip every club to be a ‘community hub’ for wellbeing and entertainment
06 Re-invest in youth through fresh plans for training and education
RECLAIM THE GAME
07 A ‘diversity drive’: 25% fan representation on all governing bodies in five years, 50% women, a permanent place for the national fans’ body
08 Regular, independent auditing and review of the performance of governing bodies and clubs
09 Extend community and collaborative ownership, create a fans’ right to bid or buy when clubs are for sale, create a fans’ bank or fund
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention that there might be a problem with corruption at the SFA and SPFL?
Were they so few in number that their concerns were excluded from the Fans Manifesto?
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention sectarian singing, intimidation of officials, letter bomb training, assaults in the street as potential issues being ignored by the governing bodies?
Or in a nutshell
Did any of the 10000 fans who responded to the survey mention dissatisfaction at the manner in which the SFA and SPFL were handling the Rangers situation?
Or to summarise the above
Did the SFSA sanitise the 10000 responses of their own volition or did they do so at the request of a 3rd party?
There are stacks of angles to the above which could be addressed by many of the fine posters who inhabit this blog
Whats clear so far is that SFSA are not a democratic organisation despite being in existence for well over a year
Its also clear that despite their “plan” to eventually become democratic they are unfit in the immediate term to represent Fans concerned about the way the Rangers saga has been corruptly managed by the governing bodies
Indeed their own manifesto specifically ignores the biggest scandal in Scottish football in living memory
Launch of SFSA Fans’ Survey
This post might be unpopular
I`ll stand corrected if I`m wrong
If there is one thing suspicious in all of this corrupt saga it`s the convenient emergence on the public stage of the SFSA in the last fortnight
This self-appointed body with apparently no funds is stuffed with self-appointed politicians One of them at least has been found guilty of having dirty hands. It has created a community company appointed its own Board and defined its own remit before its public launch. It doesn`t once use the words morality or integrity or fairness or corruption to justify its existence. It doesn`t even mention a goal of being transparent to its members It has invited German football academics to tell their unelected Board what sort of questions Scottish fans should be asked about. It has went on to unilaterally approve a bland survey questionnaire that will consume a few months help dissipate the anger of some fans and tell us nothing we don`t know already.
The official SFSA top down remit will take years to completion. It smacks strongly of how the English Child Abuse Enquiry was set up years ago by politicians determined to protect politicians and their establishment allies. Its Terms of Reference were deliberately set so wide that many of the accused and their victims passed away before their case got considered. And that`s exactly what could happen here.
Or put more simply
It’s not an organisation claiming the simple raison d`etre of upholding sporting integrity
The survey document smacks of long term civil service thinking. It starts from the premise that things might actually be hunky dory, so let’s take the next few months to quantify the “general level of disquiet”. This top down approach is a recipe for time wasting and switching off the members. It is frankly smacks of the sort of approach you would expect from Soviet era Trade Unions. The festering sore that is the Rangers tax case doesn`t qualify for a mention. SFA and Police management of sectarian behaviour is ignored, Nothing is asked about how our corrupt governing bodies are paralysed about physical intimidation in football.how keeping the peace outranks morality. This is despite letter bomb training, street assaults and threats to torch a football ground. Most of all is the complete absence of an SFSA declaration of transparency.
Corrupt SPFL Statement
Its early days for the SFSA
So far they have not commented on the SFA and SPFL Statement. Does their Board have no opinion?
Is it because the leadership of the SFSA is well aware it is not a “Fan Elected Body”?
It has no mandate to speak for its members. So they are obliged to keep quiet.
However, having no mandate also means they should not respond to any appeals from our corrupt authorities to engage in private discussions
It is clear that the governing bodies wish to avoid discussing the corruption crisis in terms of sporting integrity. Their strategy is moving the goal posts from integrity to legal mumbo jumbo. Their aim is to confuse the peasants. Their premise is that limited knowledge of the judicial system will force the peasants into disgruntled forelock tugging compliance
Move along peasant
If its legal and immoral then its ok
If it’s against integrity but within the rules its ok
Sometimes rules have to be bent if we think it’s necessary
Trust Us. That`s what happens in business
They forget that we peasants have simple minds. We see issues in terms of good and evil, right and wrong. We expect integrity to be the backbone of organisations who claim to be trustworthy.
Whats more worrying
I would not be a bit surprised if the SFSA are the first to be invited by the corrupt SPFL and corrupt SFA to come and talk to them in private about their forthcoming “Independent” meaning corrupt Review. Indeed they might even end up as “Representing the Fans ” on this stitch up.
That would be outrageous
Unelected politicians one with dirty hands representing you on integrity issues with that lot
I don`t see the SFSA fulfilling the role of speaking for fans in the specific one off battle against the corruption witnessed over the past few years.
The current un-elected SFSA Board may attempt to act in this role by cooperating with the so called SPFL Independent Review or try to subvert the timetable of the Judicial Review that is currently gathering momentum
If this happens
it will be a sign that they see themselves as budding members of the establishment. People who are in cahoots with the corruption we are trying to root out.
And as for representing fans to the governing bodies on any other issues.
The acid test will be whether they replace the SFSA Board with elected fan representatives BEFORE they have their first formal meeting with the SG or football governing bodies.