Why the Beast of Armageddon Failed to Show?


RTC and TSFM anti Rangers? As discussed before a hefty slap …

Comment on Why the Beast of Armageddon Failed to Show? by wottpi.

RTC and TSFM anti Rangers?

As discussed before a hefty slap on the wrist for non payment of taxes, administration/liquidation and an apology for bringing the game into disrepute (proven by the SFA). Would have helped. A place in the SPL may have still been in order.

However the attitude of the Rangers Family turned many reasonable people into a rabid anti Rangers mob.

Why? Because what they did was immoral (those tax issues proven and not proven), the way they behaved, then and now, the underhand dealings , the rules being bent to suit them, the triumphalist, supremacist, arrogant BS.

The rest for Scottish Football have had enough and the majority are happy to let them stew in a juice of their own making.

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Why the Beast of Armageddon Failed to Show?
Not sure if there are other cases over the years but here is one I can find from a quick web search.


Rangers appear to have made a claim to the SFA for Colin Hendry’s injury sustained when on national team duty.

It would be interesting to see if the claim for loss of wages matched his wage slip or as refer to the EBTs loan ‘Wage slip plus’.

Insurance fraud anyone?

Why the Beast of Armageddon Failed to Show?
Further to my earlier post with regard to possible insurance fraud in relation to wrongly claiming that lost earnings included what the law appears to be saying were now loans, is there any chance that a similar ‘administrative error’ was made by individuals when applying for mortgages and the like.

I note that the majority decision seemed to dismiss Mr Aberdeen’s lack of disclosure of his EBT loan in his voluntary sequestration based on not knowing what legal/financial advice he was given.

However mortgage fraud seems to be pretty clear.

“2.2.1. Types of mortgage fraud

30. The British Bankers’ Association and the Council of Mortgage Lenders define
two categories of mortgage fraud in their 2008 joint best practice note7:

• Mortgage fraud for property – this is usually committed by an individual
to obtain a mortgage on a property they would not otherwise be able to
purchase through, for example, exaggerating their income, or providing false
employment details.

• Mortgage fraud for profit – this is usually perpetrated by a ‘fraud ring’
involving more than one individual. It can have links to serious organised crime.

31. Mortgage applicants can mislead lenders about their income and its source in a
number of ways:
• inflating their income;
• stating they are self-employed when they are not;
• not declaring where income was a bonus or overtime payment; and
• failing to declare poor health or impending redundancy. ”


Now I am sure people on large salaries may be able to deal in hard cash but there must be a few who borrowed money for a variety of purposes, say for instance a mortgage on a big hoose.

Any guess what they might have put down as their income?
Was it what was on the wage slips or was it the ‘wage slip plus’ figure?
Or did they come clean and mention on the applications forms the tens to hunderds of thousands of pounds they had as loans to whoever was going to give them a further loan.

I know its a bit personal but maybe someone could ask Alex Rae next on SSB? 🙂

Why the Beast of Armageddon Failed to Show?
From my list above I think No4 is most interesting.

While the oldco is toast it would be nice to see various insurance companies get in touch with BDO to get themselves on the creditors list for having paid out too much being claims for certain players with EBT’s may indeed have been based on incorrect figures for loss of wages being the loans are loans.

Just saying like 🙂

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StevieBC 22nd December 2020 at 12:26

bect67 22nd December 2020 at 12:50

Agree, if people aren't happy with six goals in a cup final encounter that went to extra time and a nerve wracking penalty shoot out then what is it that floats their boat?

Thinking back, by the end of it I had forgotten there was no crowd in Hampden and was wholly absorbed unlike some games I've watched in these strange times.

OK so the quality was questionable and the result didn't go the way of my team but for me this is what sport should be about. If Celtic had taken it to 3-0 in the second half and strolled to the end of the game, no-one would have even remembered the game next week, let alone years to come. 

Quadruple trebles, Hamilton winning F1 at a canter, etc  are to be admired and respected but I'd say it isn't always 'entertaining'.

Moving On Time?
Nice to see the thumbs back on the site.

18 thumbs down for a fairly innocuous post re the cup final and 1 person responding negatively to Cluster One's post re  the BBC's  half time tribute to a 36 year old footballer being struck down by MND!! 

I know people say the thumbs are not the be all and end all of the site, but come on guys, really?

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Very entertaining cup final today.

Penalties a bit of a lottery, as usual,  as both teams could claim they were worthy of the win.


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bordersdon 7th December 2020 at 20:23

paddy malarkey 7th December 2020 at 18:36

Would hope by the September rounds there may be a chance to get to games if the vaccine roll out goes well. However in terms of away games can't see any great attraction other than Austria, don't really fancy the rest. Would consider Denmark if I can get a bank loan for a pint!!

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Re The recent punishments for St Mirren and Kilmarnock, I have merely scanned the ruling for Killie and read a bit of commentary re St Mirren

It seems there are two parts to case. Killie were deemed to have not operated social distancing protocols on the bus to an away game and at a pre-game meal. To put is simply, they probably need to have two buses to keep all players and staff appropriately distanced and at the hotel where the meal was served,  the tables had too many people around them.

In St Mirren's case it seems the same applied but they were also guilty of letting players car share. There seems to be questions about not imparting covid related information to players and staff in an appropriate manner.

I may be wrong but I get the impression the cash fine is for braking the covid protocols and the loss of game and the 3-0 award to opposition is based on sporting disadvantage, given the result was that due to Covid issues the offending team were unable to put out a team and thus placed unfavourable conditions on their opposition that would otherwise not have occurred.

The linking of these two cases to earlier one with Celtic & Aberdeen seems to be 'apples and pears' in that both those clubs were willing and able to play their fixtures. The SPFL seem to also be saying that the Scot Gov cancelled the games but I am not sure that is strictly the case.

However, if a team were to fall foul of a bout of food poisoning as a result of their own catering operation and could not fulfill a fixture, is it not the case that precedent for teams being unavailable due to  'illness' within the squad is that the games are rescheduled.

Clubs would not be fined for breaking hygiene protocols and no points would be awarded to the disadvantaged opposition.

I can see why the SPFL have taken the stance they have, in these most difficult of times,  but not overly convinced they have the powers or precedent to take such action. Perhaps it is a gloves off approach as opposed to being more accommodating in 'normal times'.

While not so fussed about retrospective action on Celtic and Aberdeen, I am more concerned that the same SPFL seem willing to disrupt an already jam packed league fixture list and allow a certain team to needlessly go to a winter training camp (which presumably will be abroad), when there could be a higher probability of people straying from protocols and covid controls. 

If Celtic or any other team are unable to fulfill fixtures due to 'covid mistakes'  then 3-0 it will be, no?


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