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August 21, 2015 at 11:56 pm (Edit)
I know I’ve bored everyone to death on here about stories of my wee gang who used to go rotate around Celtic Rangers Motherwell games.
Not boring at all Ian. I think your stories remind us that football isn’t necessarily the tribal pursuit many believe it to be.
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August 21, 2015 at 6:45 pm (Edit)
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August 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm
The point is, it is the Celtic boards decision to make. Whilst you may think it is short term thinking on their part, and you are obviously perfectly entitled to hold and express that opinion it really makes no never mind.
If the Celtic board have decided that a certain course is in the best interests of the shareholders who elected them then that is precisely the course they should take. It is what they were put there for.
So we should all sing “Hail to the chief” and know our place then? The point is that they are clearly not working in the best interests of shareholders if they don’t pursue the tens of millions that the shareholders were deprived of when licensing was awarded in error (I hope).
You can speak for yourself if you like, but my opinion, flawed though it may be is not in the ‘make no never mind’ category.
If we follow that mantra, we are all wasting our time here.
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August 21, 2015 at 6:25 pm (Edit)
As has been commented on before the redistibution of income (or is it fair distribution) as seen in the NFL gives all teams a chance of success in a confined domestic league.
I heard someone of the radio the other day talking about market economy and market society. The latter being the application of the ‘free for all’, ‘winner takes all’ aspects market economy to areas of society where it should really have no place. The result being that aspects of society and life (for example trad-able quotas in refugees applying for asylum) then become nothing more than commodities to be bought, sold and left to wither if deemed necessary.
I suppose on reflection it can be argued that by following the free market principles SDM fell foul of the market society which ate up and spat out Rangers (IL) as being nothing more than a failed corporate entity but the half ersed 5 way agreement was a panicked attempt to resolve the situation and perhaps recognize that football clubs, the fans etc should be viewed in a different light. (Not that old chestnut I hear you shout!!)
If a more measured approach had been applied in the past not only to Rangers (IL) but to the whole of Scottish football we may all have been in a better place than we find ourselves today.
Perhaps something to think about going forward.
Precisely. The market is seen as the way forward if you are a WEE team, but if you’re too big to fail, a heavy touch of regulation is required …
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Were the clubs willing parties to a fraud on Scottish football, or were they victims themselves?
If the former, that does beg the question as to whether there is any point in carrying on.
Yes there is – because the real battle here is between the clubs and their ‘customers’. The clubs can in fact do as they like. They have no emotional attachment to the sport in the way the fans do. Everything is settled by a cost/benefit analysis. This particular one deemed that following the rules correctly was the downside of the argument.
They justify it by dressing the SFA up as some kind of quasi legal guardian of the game, when in fact it is just a trade association – a cartel used as a blunt instrument to con the punters.
The Sevco 5088 Ltd/Sevco Scotland Ltd court cases may throw some light into the dark corners of Hampden’s Star Chamber.
So might we. We are still not done.
The evidence suggest strongly that the clubs are less concerned with the integrity of the game than we are.
The final outcome is dependent on our resolve. That is not in doubt at SFM. The question is;
“Are there enough of us?”
John Clark 13th March 2016 at 1:11 pm
A priceless observation from Chick a few minutes go: ” Robert Burns died in 1796. He was closer in time to Hibs’ last Cup win than we are”.
Don’t know what point precisely he was trying to make, but it left the rest of the Sportsound chaps stunned in amused speechlessness!
I suppose that just demonstrates that Chic is as good at arithmetic as he is at telling the truth.
Give that he was born around 1954 that takes him to within 52 years of Hibs’ last cup win.
Burns is an outlier at 106 years.
Did anyone point out to Chic that it was in fact the League Cup today.
Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep indeed!
Apologies. Haven’t yet had time to respond, due to a current and very raging bout of man flu
However I will try to do so over the weekend.
Turnbull Hutton’s attitude to the new club being given precedence over Spartans et al was that by any reasonable measure, and given their extraordinary fan-base and facilities, TRFC would have been given the spot anyway. In his view, the authorities pragmatically exercised their powers of discretion to short-circuit the entry application process.
In retrospect that became crucial to TRFC in their continuity myth-building, because the gap, even though it existed, was easier to Band-Aid over because of that fast-tracking.
I won’t rush to criticise TH too easily though. He was not too fussed over the minutiae of the OCNC debate, but he was steadfastly against what he saw as corruption in the SFA and SPL and was appalled by the calling to arms of the mob by McCoist and others. And he didn’t just pay lip service to it either. He was a consistent and generous donor to SFM, because he shared our view that in order to call itself a sport, football had to structure itself on the basis of as level a playing field as possible.
Whenever I doubt the merits of our case, I think of Turnbull on the steps of Hampden accusing the SFA of corruption – and the subsequent absence of a visit from the Compliance Officer.
Like all good serial offenders, the SFA avoid battles they can’t win. No engagement with TH, no engagement with the Res12 group, no engagement with the SPL over their expulsion of a 140 year old club.