A Sanity Clause for Xmas?

Cosmic TruthPosted on8:11 am - Jan 20, 2015

@Zilch “Maybe Mr Lawell believes that his (my) club will make more money if some form of Rangers is facilitated into the top league? Maybe he is right? Maybe he doesn’t care how many of his own club’s fans he alienates on this? I for one hope that the growing demand from Celtic fans for accountability and social responsibility will give him and the board pause for serious thought on this.”

I believe the Celtic board has made a cold blooded business decision, and reckon more supporters will come back once The Rangers 2012, or whatever form they’re in by then, get to The Premiership, than current season card holders will stop going due to the insane lying, and cheating to make it happen.

There doesn’t seem to be much of the sporting integrity that Peter used to talk about going around these days.

I certainly don’t want to give up my card, but I’m sickened at all the outrageous cheating to get whatever team is playing out of Ibrox into the top tier of Scottish football, so I have a big decision to make at the end of the season.

helpmaboabPosted on8:43 am - Jan 20, 2015

More musings from Walter of Cardigan.

Smith insists a solution needs to be found quickly.
He said: “All that matters is that it comes to a point where you feel something has to be done.
“Sometimes as a football manager you reach half-time in a game and you have to turn to someone and say, ‘Do something’.
“That might sound simplistic and easy, but a lot of time in a football match it can go like that.

No sh** Sherlock.
And the press print this mince!

SmugasPosted on9:09 am - Jan 20, 2015

Correct Walter, and the day you faced up to having to turn to a bench that was only as good as the opposition’s was the day you walked away.

SmugasPosted on9:12 am - Jan 20, 2015

Just on the Sarver interview (what I’ve bothered reading of it anyway). I love KJ’s carefully constructed conclusion. RFC need to lose money (apparently). Sarver can afford to lose money. ergo, why not lose it at Rangers, problem solved. 😆

4424mePosted on9:18 am - Jan 20, 2015

John clark

Hope certain refs have received and read the same letter conroy got…..

2.13 to act at all times with honesty and integrity in relation to the performance of your duties as a Category 1 Referee. You acknowledge that acts of bribery or corruption by any person under the jurisdiction of the SFA are strictly prohibited. Such conduct will be treated with the utmost seriousness by the SFA and may result in penalties, including (but not limited to) demotion, suspension or expulsion, being imposed;

2.14 that you will not for the Season hold a season ticket for any club in membership of the SFA and that you will not constitute a shareholder; lender; or investor (such terms to be construed broadly) in or to any club in membership of the SFA.

Perhaps should be added…..”you will not officiate in any game involving a team for which you have or had held a season ticket for at any time”.
Although that would result in no west of scotland based officials being available for St Mirren games

ChristyboyPosted on9:26 am - Jan 20, 2015

Hmmmmm, I wonder who he bought them from? Do we have any ideas how the two camps are sitting percentage wise? It must be close ….

erniePosted on10:12 am - Jan 20, 2015

tayred says:
January 20, 2015 at 8:59 am
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Hartsons Comb quote from the Record:

KJ: But Scottish football is not in a good financial place right now.

Isn’t it? I thought the levels of debt in Scottish football have plummeted over the past year or so, the mad-hatters tea party aside of course.
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Exactly. But what KJ is saying is that Celtic and rangers are “not in a good financial place” because that is scottish football, one must always read as such, very few SMSM stories make sense otherwise.. One could argue that it only applies to rangers but, as cosmic truth alluded to in his post above, it may be that Celtic believe that they’ll be better off with a propped up rangers, I don’t.
As for the rest of us, let’s be clear, rangers are bad for business never mind sporting integrity, period. The sooner Stewarty Milne and his fellow chairmen/owners get to grip with this the better. The record shows.

And as for threats of tv deal withdrawals? Well, if the tv in question looks to the bigotfest as a selling point we have to ask if we want to be associated with that ethos. In practical terms, there are two places to be for having an unbeatable negotiating stance. One is at the top of the market, in demand, multiple bidders as per the EPL. The other is tail end charlie, an add on at best, a “might as well have” with a low (can’t get much lower) price as per SPFL. You could cut the tv deal by 25% and we would still be ok, it is not lucrative enough (at all in fact) for us to keep bending over for. Grow some cojones SPFL: dump the deal and sell it at a lower price (if need be) in a more fan convenient arrangement and build “the product” up to being of value rather than selling it cheap and making it fit that model.

The_Pie_ManPosted on10:47 am - Jan 20, 2015

Rumour on Twitter that has been Arrested in France.. If its True that could make life very interesting at Ibrox 😀

neepheidPosted on11:00 am - Jan 20, 2015

Sons of Struth
5 mins ·
The wires are on fire today with now a claim that SE new shares were actually Greens share option shares, I am unsure of this however a quick club statement would blow this one out the water

ecobhoyPosted on11:11 am - Jan 20, 2015

neepheid says:
January 20, 2015 at 11:00 am

Sons of Struth
5 mins ·
The wires are on fire today with now a claim that SE new shares were actually Greens share option shares, I am unsure of this however a quick club statement would blow this one out the water
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Well that would be a cat amongst the pigeons. If you look at my post above that despite buying an extra 1,014,000 shares his overall % of the total shares issued counting personally owned plus proxy vote shares held has actually dropped slightly.

That suggests to me the new shares he bought could have come from one of the proxy shareholders he acted for. There are other explanations that could achieve the same thing but much less likely IMO.

If I’m right and if SoS is right then he could have been casting the Green proxy vote – which will go down like a lead balloon with the Bears.

I would think that would have been a risky route to go down but perhaps the attitude that most Bears have towards the Easdale Camp means it isn’t regarded as a problem.

scapaflowPosted on11:22 am - Jan 20, 2015

mr Easdale’s share aquisition is a clear,unambigious statement to Mr King, that Mr Easdale is not walking away.

The most publicly acrimonious take over since Harrods, continues apace.

At the other end of Glasgow, a sad tale seems to be playing out. Cosmic called it right I think, a decision was made to support rangers, come what may, based on a cold financial rational. It would have worked too, had the wheels not come off, with the decision from the LNS commission. Since that decision, they have been desperately trying to put the wheels back on, hence the procession of Celtic Legends whispering sweet nothings about Rangers, while, ironically, the Rangers Legends tend their gardens.

When, the full story comes out, and it is going to come out, a number of reputations will be shredded. I find it personally sad, that the current Celtic CEO & board, will probably not be remembered for their wise and careful stewardship at Celtic, but, instead for the role they played in the shabby tale being played out at Hampden & Ibrox.

mcfcPosted on11:34 am - Jan 20, 2015

Just a thought. Why are Easdale(s) and Ashley detested yet King is lauded. It makes no sense at all when King was part of the first death and there’d have been a second death if it wasn’t for the Es and MA.

Initially you might say Rangersness, but my theory is – well – really too simple to be called a theory. The first two are involved day-to-day and are not doing what the bears want and they don’t like it – instead the Es and MA are dealing with the realities of a club/company so deep in the shit they need a periscope. Meanwhile, King can still deal in dreams and promises without getting specific, without getting practical, without getting dirty. My prediction is that if he ever gets to the blue room and doesn’t bring a billion or two with him to fulfil his saviour role, the bears will soon be bating him and calling for a new RRM to take them back to where they belong.

Life is all about choices, but if you choose to choose a choice that is not available to choose, well that’s as bad as not choosing at all, because someone else will choose for you.

incredibleadamsparkPosted on12:02 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Ron.an.Math says:
January 20, 2015 at 1:53 am

Just heard a plug for 5 lives Nicky Campbell show lamenting Rangers fall from the giddy heights of the champions league SEMI-FINAL ( ? ) in 1994 ! ! !
Now I’m pretty sure they finished behind Marseille in a 4 team group ( bruges + psv maybe the other teams ? )
with a won 2 lost 2 drew 2 record courtesy of an outrageous fluke goal from Scott Nisbet in one game . . .
Appears its not just the smsm that inhabit an alternative reality these days ! Or is it me ?
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It was actually 1992/93 which was the second season of the new CL format. Only champions allowed (imagine that!) and two qualifying rounds to determine who made the group stages. There were only two groups containing four teams and the winners of each group made it to the final. You were allowed five subs and only three foreigners.

Rangers beat Lyngby in the first round then Leeds Utd in the second. As a youngster (12 years old, maybe) I attended the Leeds game at Ibrox where Gary McAllister scored an absolute screamer in the second minute. Strachan also played and must have been 35 at the time but was still outstanding. Cantona was in the team too. Rangers won 4-2 on aggregate to make the group stage where they would face Marseille, Club Brugge and CSKA Moscow.In the other group were AC Milan, Porto, PSV and IFK Goteborg. They won two and drew four to finish on eight points and were unbeaten in Europe that season (imagine that!) but finished one point behind Marseille who went on to beat AC Milan 1-0 in the final. Definitely no semi-finals, Nicky Campbell.

Whatever the thoughts on Rangers now it was a fantastic achievement at the time and a memorable season to be a fan. David Murrays ego seemed to expand at the same rate as the CL and football is now unrecognisable compared to twenty odd years ago. Just read again the eight teams who made the group stages that season, and had to qualify to do so, and ask yourself how many of them would get there now? That’s what happens when you chase moonbeams. This flood of money and advertising has lead to the commercialization of the game, our game, and has turned many fans off. I’m one of them.

Now here is the interesting bit. The Marseille owner, Bernard Tapie, was alleged to have made illegal payments to a number of Valenciennes players during the 92/93 season. The payments were for them to go easy on Marseille before the CL final. An investigation resulted in the banning of Marseille from next seasons CL, the stripping of their league title and eventual relegation to the second division. There were further allegations of bribery during the CL campaign that season but Marseille were ultimately allowed to keep their CL title.

John ClarkPosted on12:16 pm - Jan 20, 2015

scapaflow says:
January 20, 2015 at 11:22 am
‘… I find it personally sad, that the current Celtic CEO & board, will probably not be remembered for their wise and careful stewardship at Celtic, but, instead for the role they played in the shabby tale being played out at Hampden & Ibrox.’

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The countervailing argument is that by resisting all attempts to provoke them into playing the ‘Celtic’ card ( which the SMSM would absolutely have loved and irresponsibly made much of) , the Celtic Board have played it entirely straight:
the problem is the whole of the SFA’s membership’s problem,
in no way, in no way, did Celtic cause the problem ( other than by their footballing success which worked SDM into a jealous frenzy!)
the SMSM would have gleefully painted Celtic as the instigators of RFC(IL)’s downfall if they had so much as said a word in public about the disgraceful events. (Look at how Lawwell’s throw-away remark about Celtic’s long history was dealt with)
It needs the majority of the SFA membership to bring their Board to heel and proper accountability for the lies and perversions they have been guilty of, and for their present pusillanimity.

tayredPosted on12:29 pm - Jan 20, 2015

John Clark says:
January 20, 2015 at 12:16 pm

In public fair enough, yes I agree in that I believe they were correct to play a more placid role.

But I’m sure they had plenty meetings with the rest of the SFA membership. I can’t help but imagine if Celtic laid more pro-active cards out on the table that many of the other clubs would have been happy to follow. If silence was kept, or worse a Pro-TRFC line put forward, the “diddy” clubs were never going to rattle too many sabres. Raith Rovers, and the programme editor from Montrose perhaps being the closest observed exceptions to the rule.

Like Scapa says, lets hope it comes out in the wash. The cloak of silence around it just allows us all to come up with own favourite theories with little or no evidence to back them up.

mcfcPosted on12:42 pm - Jan 20, 2015

While we’re waiting for the next “announcement”

A few news stories have converged recently. Firstly there’s the 1% owning more than the 99%, then there’s handbags between Chris Bryant and James Blunt about posh boys in the media, then there’s the ongoing The Rangers saga.

The common feature is “privilege” and the most notable feature of privilege is that we are blind to our own and hawk-eyed about those we perceive to have more. As a species we are also highly attuned to the injustice of lost privilege, often without understanding that it was privilege in the first place rather than a basic human right bestowed by our preferred deity. So loss of privilege is indistinguishable from intolerable injustice in the mind of the “victim”.

James Blunt seems ignorant that privilege is not about having a mediocre musical talent but having the contacts, free time and money that privilege brings to exploit that mediocre talent to the detriment of those with much greater talents, fewer contacts and less time / money. Meanwhile many, mainly in politics and the media, condemn the richest 1% without thinking to calculate their own position on the inequality ladder. Having won all the gods’ lottery by living in a rich, stable, liberal, democratic country, they are most certainly nearer the top 10% than the middle. Remember that democracy, free-speech, free education, free health care, the benefits safety net, freedom of religion (or none), freedom of sexuality and freedom from endemic corruption are considered unthinkable luxuries by so many in the world.

So when you hear someone raging about the injustice of a ban on fox hunting or HMRC persecuting their club or prejudice against those who speak RP (yes, BBC R4 earlier this week), don’t get infuriated and shout at the telly (as I often do) just understand that it is in our genes, it is a fundamental blind spot of our species – and check your own privilege and check your own position on the inequality ladder.

Btw, to be on the median global income in the UK you’d need a post tax income of £55 per week (£2,860 pa) for a family of two adults and two under 16s. Likewise, £660 per week post tax (£34,320 pa) with the same family would put you in the top 10%. An MP with no other earnings is close to the top 8% (£67,060 gross). A media type on £100k pa gross is around 4%. Our top rate of income (50%) tax kicks in around the 1.8% mark i.e. £150k pa gross.

https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get-involved/how-rich-am-i

occamPosted on12:54 pm - Jan 20, 2015

mcfc says:
January 20, 2015 at 11:34 am
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Just a thought. Why are Easdale(s) and Ashley detested yet King is lauded. It makes no sense at all when King was part of the first death and there’d have been a second death if it wasn’t for the Es and MA.

Initially you might say Rangersness, but my theory is – well – really too simple to be called a theory. The first two are involved day-to-day and are not doing what the bears want and they don’t like it – instead the Es and MA are dealing with the realities of a club/company so deep in the shit they need a periscope. Meanwhile, King can still deal in dreams and promises without getting specific, without getting practical, without getting dirty. My prediction is that if he ever gets to the blue room and doesn’t bring a billion or two with him to fulfil his saviour role, the bears will soon be bating him and calling for a new RRM to take them back to where they belong.

Life is all about choices, but if you choose to choose a choice that is not available to choose, well that’s as bad as not choosing at all, because someone else will choose for you.

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A parcel o’ rogues versus a fine sonsie face wi’ a nice helping of mash! 😉

‘Lay on, …..,
And damned be him that first cries, “Hold, enough!” ‘

Nearly time to raise a glass 🙂

scapaflowPosted on1:05 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Occam, MacBeth could have been written for Rangers – Begone foul spot!

“She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. “

scapaflowPosted on1:11 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Oh good grief, the statement alert was for Murray Minor taking out life memberships for the rangers trust & Rangers First, promising fan ownership.

Out, Out brief candle indeed

andygraham.66Posted on1:12 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Reading his statement he is basically saying

We will own the club

Fans will finance how successful that club is

SmugasPosted on1:21 pm - Jan 20, 2015

We will be successful anyways. But if youse give us lots of your cash we will be more successful, just look at our track record.

mcfcPosted on1:29 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Paul Murray “We have seen what happens when directors with no feel, no understanding and no real concern for Rangers are in control.”

Yes Paul, and we’ve seen what happens when directors WITH feel, WITH understanding and WITH real concern for Rangers are in control.

And your point is ? ? ? ?

Paulmac2Posted on1:36 pm - Jan 20, 2015

It would appear there is a major PR offensive on the go…and we maybe subject to an overwhelming amount of cow dung exposure…please be aware…that depending on how desperate things become this may develop into a severe case of Horse sh*t..with a smattering of utter bo**ocks…fear not…for it will pass…

The reason for this rather serious uplift in PR maybe a sign that there needs to be a positive injection to assist in calming the pre-semi nerves..because its a big game for the new club.

jimlarkinPosted on1:58 pm - Jan 20, 2015

According to Phil

. . . Project Sevco could be a tester for bigger projects in England

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/the-sevco-experiment/#comment-114663

mcfcPosted on2:12 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Have you noticed that King has called a “General Meeting”, not an Extraordinary General Meeting – which is indeed extraordinary because he aims to fire the entire board and place his fit and proper self in charge – with only 34% of the votes secured so far – according to the MSM.

Am I being too pedantic to wonder why the “Extraordinary” has gone missing from the PR output? Or does this not register as extraordinary on the The Govan Extraordinariness Scale.

incredibleadamsparkPosted on2:41 pm - Jan 20, 2015

I hope Alex Neil and his assistant Frank McAvoy are a success at Norwich. What a great job they did at Hamilton and what a wonderful gesture by the club towards two loyal servants. It also shows a fantastic appreciation of their own fans. Yet another good news story about Scottish football.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/20/hamilton-charge-10p-neil-mcavoy

dedeideoprofundisPosted on2:52 pm - Jan 20, 2015

ecobhoy says:
January 20, 2015 at 10:49 am
As I posted yesterday it might be the time for some of the mystery overseass shareholders who don’t hold onerous contracts to decide it’s time to say goodbye.

While there is a bloc of existing shareholders that can prevent fresh shares being issued to new investors then control can be retained

scapaflow says:
January 20, 2015 at 11:22 ammr Easdale’s share aquisition is a clear,unambigious statement to Mr King, that Mr Easdale is not walking away.
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Could it possibly be that some of easdale’s proxys have intimated that they were getting out, thus forcing a buy up of their shares to prevent the bloc falling below 25%, maybe even got a good price?

The Exiled CeltPosted on3:07 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Seems the gossip started by Sons of Struth over the gendarmes visiting Charles is just nonsense – apparently he is in London having a knee operation….no doubt he will be sprinting again in the near future……..

The Clumpany ‏@TheClumpany 17m17 minutes ago
Charles Green Arrest Fairy Tale | Bill McMurdo’s Weblog https://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/blog/

occamPosted on4:32 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Brenda says:
January 20, 2015 at 3:29 pm

When the constant gardner was previously the manager, was Mr. McDowall not employed as assistant manager? That being the case, if the manager goes, is not a basic aspect of the assistant manager’s remit to step in and manage?? Or has KM taken 2 steps back to focus on coaching?

normanbatesmumfcPosted on4:53 pm - Jan 20, 2015

Paulmac2 says:
January 20, 2015 at 1:36 pm

It would appear there is a major PR offensive on the go…
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More MSM revisionism from Andy Newport in today’s Telegraph;

“Dave King paid authorities in South Africa £44m last year to halt a tax investigation”

Big PinkPosted on6:51 pm - Jan 20, 2015

New blog from BRTH …