Did Stewart Regan Ken Then Wit We Ken Noo?

 

Thoughts and observations from watching and reading a transcript of Alex Thomson of Channel 4’s Interview with Stewart Regan (CEO of the SFA) Broadcast by Channel 4 on 29 March 2012.

http://www.channel4.com/news/we-run-football-were-not-the-police-sfa-boss

Introduction. I came across the above interview recently and listened to and transcribed it again as it reminded me of questions it raised then that the passage of time since has provided some insight into.

There is a lot to digest so the blog is broken into four sections.  Three parts cover the Interview plus what they seem to tell us now, knowing what was not known then viz:

  • Why No independent or independent element to the enquiry that became the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission. given the potential extent of the corruption at play?
  • Why no effective fit and Proper Person scrutiny and the absence of real governance?
  • EBTS and whether they constitute wrong doing and why that mattered so much and still does. plus
  • The “hard to not to believe” conclusions about the whole exercise with the benefit of what we ken noo.

There is also an Annex at the end with excerpts from the Lord Nimmo Smith Decision for ease of reference:

The comments (in bold italics) are based on what Regan said then and what we ken noo, either as facts or questions arising from them. It is a long read but hopefully readers will be enticed by this introduction to stay the course.

In the following “SR” is Stewart Regan CEO of the SFA and “AT” is Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News.

No Independent Enquiry?

SR No

AT I’m just curious as to why they wouldn’t. With something as big as this potentially this is the biggest corruption scandal in British sport, which is – a thought – and yet the SPL deem themselves fit to investigate themselves.

SR Well I think you are calling it potentially the biggest corruption case, at this stage there has been no wrongdoing proven.  There is an investigation going on

AT But you would accept that potentially, potentially that if guilty there is no question this is the biggest corruption scandal in British sport.

SR There is no wrongdoing as I said at the moment and there is nothing yet that has been established as far as the club registering players without providing the appropriate documentation, so I think it would   be wrong to jump to conclusions and even use words like corruption. You know there are a series of issues here. There are some footballing matters which are being dealt through the football authorities and there are tax mattes which are being dealt with through HMRC and there is to be a Tax Tribunal due to be heard as I’m sure you are aware in April.

So even before the investigation got underway Mr Regan was saying that it would be incorrect to assume that any wrong doing took place in terms of the registration process and use of ebts. He later expands on this point in relation to EBTs as a legitimate tax arrangement device. Given that the FTT did not rule until November 2012 that the ebts issued under the Murray Management Group Remuneration Trust (MMGRT) were legal then this stance by Mr Regan appears justifiable at the time of interview – but more on that later. 

AT I’m just wondering why at no stage anybody seemed, or perhaps they did, to think we need an independent body coming in this is big this is huge, potentially  we need somebody from the outside  or we are going simply going to be accused of investigating ourselves.

SR Well I think that might be one for you to ask the Scottish Premier League as far as their Board..

AT Well they appeal to you so I’m asking you.

SR   No as you said we are the right of appeal so if the club is concerned with any punishment it has been given well then they can choose to appeal to us. We as a body have the provision in our rules to carry out independent enquiries, indeed we did so very recently by appointing the Right Honourable Lord Nimmo Smith to carry out our own investigation into Rangers and we are part way through disciplinary proceedings and they will be heard on 29 March.

Given that player registrations are ultimately lodged with the SFA where Sandy Bryson has been doing the job for some years, I did wonder why the SFA were not the body taking the lead. They had the expertise on what turned out to be a key issue, the eligibility of players if misregistration occurred.  Indeed Sandy Bryson was called in to give a testimony to Lord Nimmo Smith that most folk involved in running a football team from amateur level upwards (as I was) had difficulty accepting. The Bryson interpretation suggested us amateurs had been daft not to take the risk of being found out if we did not register players correctly if only games from the point of discovery risked having results overturned. The Bryson interpretation on eligibility made no sense against that experience and it still does not to football lovers. I’m not sure if the rules have been amended to reflect the Bryson interpretation yet, but cannot see how they can be without removing a major deterrent that I always thought proper registration was there to provide.

The point about their having to be a body of higher appeal sounded plausible then, but could the Court of Arbitration on Sport not have been that body?  Or did that risk taking matters out of the SFA’s control even though it would have introduced an element of the independence that Alex Thomson raises in the following paragraphs in his interview?

AT But did anybody at any stage at the SFA say to you I have a concern that we need an independent body, that the SPL can’t and shouldn’t handle this?

SR Well under the governance of football the SPL run the competition

AT I’m not asking, I’m saying did anybody come to you at any stage and say that to you. Anybody?

SR No they didn’t as far as the SPL’s processes is concerned. The SPL ,

AT Never?

It is notable here that Alex Thomson pushes the point about lack of independence, which is where we enter “wit we ken noo territory”.  

Given that it is now known that SFA President Campbell Ogilvie sat on the Rangers FC Remunerations Policy Committee in September 1999 where it was decided Discount Option Scheme (DOS) ebts would be used as a matter of club remuneration policy using the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust (REBT).

Given that we know that Campbell Ogilvie instigated the first ebt payment to Craig Moore using the Discount Options Scheme.

Given that Ronald De Boer and Tor Andre Flo had both been paid using the same type of DOS ebt as Moore from 2000 to 2002/03 but accompanied by side letters, later concealed from HMRC  in 2005 and of course the SFA from August 2000.

Given that Mr Ogilvie was also in receipt of the later MMGRT ebts disputed by HMRC in the big tax case on which the FTT had still to rule

Given that Mr Regan must have been aware at time of interview that Sherriff Officers had called at Ibrox in August 2011 to collect payment of a tax bill, which means even to a layman that it must have gone past dispute to acceptance of liability and so crystallised sometime after 31st March 2011.

Given that Craig Whyte had already agreed to pay the wee tax bill in his public Takeover statement in early June 2011.

Given that on 7th December 2011 Regan had written to Andrew Dickson at RFC, who had sat on three of the four SFA/UEFA Licensing Committee meetings in 2011, to approve a draft statement by Mr Regan on the SFA’s handling of the UEFA Licence aspect of the wee tax case, which arose as a direct result of the use of the DOS ebts to Flo and De Boer during Dickson’s ongoing tenure at RFC from 1991.

Given that Campbell Ogilvie accompanied Stewart Regan to meet Craig Whyte at the Hotel De Vin on 15th December 2011 as a result of an invite stemming from that consternation causing draft that RFC thought likely to cause problems for the SFA (having agreed before the hotel meeting that no comment should be made on the wee tax case)

Given that the wee tax case was a direct result of those early types of DOS ebts being judged illegal by an FTT considering an appeal by the Aberdeen Asset Management company in 2010.

Given all of these facts, how credible is it that no conversation took place between Regan and Campbell Ogilvie on the requirement for an independent enquiry?

If a conversation did not take place as claimed, the question has to be should it have?

Given the foregoing facts on the early ebts, how credible is it Mr Regan during this interview did not know as a result of his involvement with the overdue payable and the UEFA licence in 2011 of the illegal and therefore wrong doing nature of those early EBTS with side letters concealed from the SFA and HMRC in 2005 just before Mr Ogilvie left RFC?

SR The SPL run, the SPL run the rules of The Scottish Premier League and they apply that. There are a whole host of people raising issues on internet sites and passing comment s about various theories that they have about Scottish football particularly in the West of Scotland. I think it’s important to establish that governance of Scottish football is managed by the appropriate body whether it is the Premier League, The Football League or the overall governing body. So that as far as we are concerned we let the   Scottish Premier league manage their own rules and if those rules are then broken and the club is charged they have the right of appeal to us as the Appellant body.

Given all of the now known facts listed above how credible is it that the reason given by Stewart Regan to Alex Thomson for the SFA being the appeal body was indeed the only one?

Given the foregoing how credible is it that Mr Regan was not aware that he was being economical with the truth during his interview or had he indeed been kept in the dark by others in the SFA?

Fit and Proper Person and Absence of Governance

AT Let’s talk about Craig Whyte. Ehm   – Presumably when Craig Whyte was mooted as coming in as the new owner – for the grand sum of £1 – for Rangers Football club, presumably the SFA took a keen interest in this and did some kind of due diligence on this man.

SR Well we have under our articles, Article 10.2, we have a process which sets out a number of criteria for what defines a fit and proper person within football. Now as you know we cannot stop people getting involved with a business and we cannot stop people getting involved with a PLC, all we can stop them doing is having an involvement with football, so what we do as part of that process is we ask for a declaration from the Directors of the club that they have a copy of the Articles,, that they have gone through the conditions and criteria within Article 10.2 and they have confirmed to us that they meet those criteria. If subsequently those criteria are breached then of course we take appropriate action.

AT You keep quoting rules back to me that’s not what I’m asking, I’m asking is did the SFA conduct any due diligence on this individual.

SR No we asked for a self-declaration from the Directors of the club and the individual himself.

AT Forgive me that sounds absolutely incredible this is the biggest club in Scotland which has been brought to its knees by a whole range of fiscal mismanagement, it is all on the record and proven. A new man comes in claiming all kinds of things, just like the previous man, and the SFA did not check or do any due diligence whatsoever.

SR That is part of the process of governing football, we

AT That’s, that’s NOT governing football that’s the exact opposite to governing football that’s running away from governing football.

SR No if you let me, if you let me finish my answer the point I am about to make is we govern the entire game from the top of the game down to grass roots. We have changes of Directors we have changes of ownership throughout the course of the year. I’m sure that if we were to spend football’s well earned money on doing investigations into potentially every change of Director, then there would be a lot of unhappy Chairmen out there.

AT You could have easily have googled (?) for free

SR Well we rely on the clubs telling us that the Articles have been complied with and that is the process we undertake.

AT This is extraordinary I say to you again  you have years of fiscal mismanagement at Rangers Football Club, a new man comes in you are telling me that nobody at The SFA as much as got on to Google  to get any background information nobody did anything ? That is extraordinary.

SR Well you refer to alleged years of financial mismanagement. I think it’s important to separate out the previous regime at Rangers and the new owner.

AT Rangers were a mess financially everybody new that

SR But I think it’s important in the case of the point you are raising regarding the fit and proper person test, to separate out the previous regime from the new owner. The club was in the process of being sold, they were challenging a tax bill that had been challenged by HMRC,* and the club had been sold to a new owner. That new owner had come in, he had purchased the club, the paper work for that sale had gone through and the club had complied with our Articles of Association. We run football we don’t, we are not the police we don’t govern transactions, we don’t govern fitness, we run football and we had asked the club to declare whether or not that person was fit to hold a place in association football. They had gone through the articles they’d signed to say that they had read those articles and that there had been no breaches of any of the points set out there. That included whether a Director had been disqualified. That wasn’t disclosed to us, indeed it did not come out until the BBC did their investigation back in October of last year.

(* note that in spite of all the “givens” listed earlier,  Mr Regan fails to distinguish (or appreciate) that there is more than one tax bill at play and the one for the wee tax case was not under challenge or Sherriff Officers would not have called in August 2011 to collect it.)

 AT So the BBC did due diligence on fitness (??) not the SFA?

SR No, as I said it came out in October 2010 primarily as a result of a detailed investigation. We then have to respond to potential breaches of our articles and we did that We entered into dialogue with the solicitor who was acting for Mr Whyte and we were in dialogue until February 2011 (?sic)  of this year when the club entered administration.

AT What I’m simply asking you to admit here is that the SFA failed and it failed Rangers in its hour of need over Craig Whyte and it failed Scottish football.

SR We didn’t fail.

AT You didn’t do anything, you said you didn’t do anything.

SR We complied with the current processes within our articles. That said I think there are a number of learnings and I think the same goes for football right across the globe. People are coming into football into a multimillion pound business and I think football needs to take a harder look at what could be done differently. We are currently exploring the possibility of carrying out due diligence using the outgoing regime to make sure that there is a full and rigorous research being done before the transaction is allowed to go ahead.

AT Do you feel the need to apologise to Rangers fans?

SR I don’t need to apologise because we complied with our articles. I don’t feel there is a need to apologise whatsoever. I think….

AT You need some new articles then don’t you?

SR Well I think the articles

AT Well let’s unpack this. You said there is no need to apologise because we followed the rule books so that’s all right. So you must therefore admit you need a new rule book.

SR No well I think it’s easy at times to try and look around and find a scapegoat and try and point fingers at where blame is to be apportioned. I think perhaps it might be worth looking at the previous regime who for four years when they said they were selling the club, said that they would sell it and act in the best interests of the club. With that in mind I think the previous regime also have to take some responsibility for selling that club and looking after so called shareholders of Rangers football club and those people who that have put money into the club over the years.

AT ??  (Interrupted)

SR the Scottish FA, as I said have a process, that process has been place for some time. It has worked very very well until now I think there are learnings undoubtably and as I said we will review where we can tighten up as I know is happening across the game right now.

The above segment on Craig Whyte and Fit and Proper  Persons is a timely reminder to supporters of all clubs, but particularly of Rangers FC of what happens when those charged with governing Scottish football hide behind the letter of the rules when convenient, rather than apply the true spirit in which those rules were written. It is the approach of The Pharisees to make a wrong , right.

To be fair to the SFA though, I doubt anyone could have imagined the degree of deceit and deception that they had allowed into Scottish football in May 2011 and how useless their rules were as a result, but I am not aware to this day if the SFA have apologised to Scottish football generally and Rangers supporters in particular, not only for failing to protect them from Craig Whyte, but also failing to protect them from the consequences of the foolish financial excesses of Sir David Murray, especially from 2008 when the tax bills in respect of the MMGRT ebts began to arrive at RFC . Some intervention then, assuming something was known by some at the SFA, who also held positions at Rangers, of  those  huge tax demands,  might have cost Rangers three titles from 2009, but what Ranger’s supporter would not give all of that up to protect their club from the fate that the failure of the SFA to govern has caused?

Also to be fair the SFA have changed the rules so that the outgoing regime is responsible for doing due diligence on any new club owners rather than relying on self-certification by the incoming club owner, but we know that did not work particularly well when Rangers Chairman Alistair Johnstone did due diligence on Craig Whyte , but then again Sir David Murray  was under pressure to sell and the guy coming in, everyone was told, had wealth off the radar.

The Nature of EBTS.

AT Let’s look at EBTs. Did nobody question ebts in the Scottish game in the English game come to that simply because nobody thought they were illegal in any way and indeed are not illegal in any way if operated correctly? Is it as simple as that?

SR There is nothing wrong with ebts when used correctly and ebts are a way of providing benefits to employees and if managed in a correct manner are perfectly legitimate. I think that the issue that we know is under investigation at the moment by both HMRC as part of the large tax case and the SPL as part of their own investigation into potential no disclosure of side letters is whether or not there has been any wrong doing and I think the issue at hand is that wrongdoing or potential wrongdoing has been discussed with HMRC for some time for several years in fact so we would not get involved in anything that there is no wrongdoing   taking place and ebts are, as I said, a legitimate way of doing business when used correctly.

Again taking the “givens” into account, particularly the significant event of Sherriff Officers calling to collect unpaid tax in August 2011 and the logical deduction that the SFA President must have known of the difference between the two types of ebts Rangers used, (and perhaps why they were changed) why the insistence at this point that all the ebts used by Rangers had been used correctly? Mr Regan at the time of the interview was either kept in the dark by his President, given he claims to have spoken to no one about the independence of the enquiry, or being economical with the truth.

The whole of Lord Nimmo Smith’s judgement made months after this interview, where Mr Regan stressed again and again there is no wrongdoing in the use of ebts if arranged correctly (or lawfully) is predicated on all ebts with side letters used by Rangers since 23 November 2011 actually being used correctly and in Lord Nimmo Smiths words on being “themselves not irregular”. (Para 5 of Annex 1). It is almost as if Mr Regan knew the outcome before Lord Nimmo Smith.

(In fact the ebt to Tor Andre Flo had a side letter dated 23 November and it related to a tax arrangement that had not been used correctly (using Regan’s own words) The irregular ebt for Ronald De Boer with a side letter of 30 August was placed beyond the scope of the Commission because in spite of it meeting the criteria specified by Harper MacLeod in March 2012 asking to be provided with ALL ebts and side letters and any other related documentation from July 1998 to date (including the HMRC letter of Feb 2011 that fully demonstrated that those particular ebts under  the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust (REBT) were not used correctly) and so were unlawful, NONE  of that documentation was  provided when requested.

This enabled Lord Nimmo Smith to state in para 107 of his Decision “while there is no question of dishonesty, individual or corporate” which is a statement he could not have made had he had all the requested documentation denied to him either by dishonesty or negligence during the preparation of his Commission.

How would he have had to judge one wonders if deception and dishonesty was indeed the factor we now ken that it is?

 

What exactly were the consequences of the failure to provide Lord Nimmo Smith with the required documentation?

It is stated in the Decision (Annex 1 para 104) that the Inquiry proceeded on the basis that the EBT arrangements (by which it meant the MGMRT ebts) were “lawful”. As it transpired the outcome of the FTT decision announced in November 2012 was that the MGMRT ebts indeed were (although this is still under appeal by HMRC.)

However, because Lord Nimmo Smith treated the MGMRT and the Earlier Trust (REBT) as one and the same, (para 35 of Decision) this meant that the Inquiry failed to distinguish between the two trusts and necessarily treated the Earlier Trust as also being lawful (without however having properly investigated its operation). However, the MGMRT and the earlier REBT were two separate trusts and there was no necessary reason to treat them as one and the same. Had evidence relating to the REBT been produced and examined, the Inquiry could hardly have treated them) as “continuous” or allowed Lord Nimmo Smith to say “we are not aware that they were different trusts“(Annex 1 para 35)

From the Decision (Annex 1 para 40), it would appear that the President of the SFA gave evidence only as to his knowledge of the MGMRT (not the REBT). We know now that the President of the SFA had knowledge of the Earlier Trust (sitting on the RFC remuneration policy committee that agreed to their use in 1999 and indeed was active in its setting up). Why the President failed to volunteer such crucial information is surely something he should now be asked?

By the time of the Inquiry, Rangers FC had already conceded liability in what has become known as “the Wee Tax Case” (which related to the now unlawful REBTs). Having regard to the wording at para 104 of the Decision (that is an echo of what Regan stressed to Alex Thomson about ebts) where it is said that to arrange financial affairs in a manner “within the law” is not a breach of the SFA/SPL Rules) the clear implication, must be that to arrange financial affairs in such a way that they are not lawful, must be a breach of the rules.

Given the admission of liability in the Wee Tax Case, payments made in respect of the REBT could not be “lawful” (to employ the language used in the Decision) or disputed, but Mr Regan presumably did not enquire too much into the history of the wee tax case before agreeing to talk to Alex Thomson.

It will be obvious from the above that the unlawful nature of REBTs had been masked from SPL lawyers and Lord Nimmo Smith as a result of:-

(a) the failure by the Administrators of Rangers FC to provide the documentation required of them;

(b) the failure of the President of the SFA to provide to the Inquiry his own knowledge of, involvement in, and presumably as a result of it, an appreciation of the differences between the two types of ebts and the consequences thereof for the investigation.  

Had the REBT been the sole subject of the Inquiry (rather than in effect not being examined at all) the following must have been different:-

(i)            the President could hardly have failed to give testimony of his knowledge and involvement;

(ii)          the Inquiry could not have held that the use of the REBT ebts was lawful;

(iv)       the “no sporting advantage” decision given in respect of the lawful ebts could not have been applied to unlawful ebts.

The real issue in the case of the unlawful ebts was not one of misregistration (Annex 1 para 104) which in turn justified the no sporting advantage decision in paras 105/106 but of paying players by an unlawful means which “constitutes such a fundamental defect (Annex 1 para 88) that the registration of players paid this way (i.e. unlawfully) must be treated as having been invalid from the outset.

Had the true nature of these early ebts been known to SPL lawyers the Terms of Reference of the Investigation would have to have addressed the wrong doing that Mr Regan was so keen to argue with Alex Thomson had not actually occurred (long before Lord Nimmo Smith agreed with him) or had President Ogilvie made the distinction in his testimony, it would have been impossible for Sandy Bryson’s to advise as he did regarding the effect on eligibility. He would have to have been asked questions about two types of ebts not one. Finally Lord Nimmo Smith could not have treated both as continuous.

Finally, given this incidence of non-disclosure by the Rangers Administrators (an identifiable trait of RFC dealings with authority from August 2000 to date), it is impossible to see how paragraph 107 (wherein it is stated that there is “no question of dishonesty”) can be allowed to remain unchallenged.

Of course the failure to supply the key evidence could just be an oversight given Rangers Administrators were hardly likely to have established of their own volition the importance of the documents to the enquiry and yet, had they been supplied, the enquiry could not have been based on the defence Stewart Regan was at such pains to stress in his interview with Alex Thomson at a time only 3 months after Mr Regan and Campbell Ogilvie had joined Craig Whyte for dinner as a result of an invite prompted by questions on the SFA UEFA Licence handling of the wee tax case , created by the very same unlawful ebts.

AT But as the governing body why did you not say to Rangers “look guys this this smells really bad, this looks bad you look (and you have admitted you have not paid your tax) you know we can’t do this, we have got to be open and above board, it looks bad.

SR Well think you need to look at what is legal and above board. At the time the club, were in dispute with HMRC. There was a tax case ongoing the new owner was in discussion with HMRC. In fact he has made comments and the club have made comments to that effect and because the amount was not crystallised under UEFA guidelines, whilst ever it’s in dispute it’s not classed as overdue.

AT Sometimes

SR So you need to separate out the licensing requirement, which is what the Licensing Committee did, from the tax that was owed to HMRC which is as we know what is still ongoing.

Mr Regan was not being accurate here.  The Big Tax case was in dispute and the bill has not crystallised as a result. However the wee tax case crystallised in mid June 2011 and at 30th June 2011, the UEFA licence checkpoint under Article 66 of UEFA FFP, did not meet the conditions to excuse it as being an overdue payable to HMRC. Quite how the SFA handled the processing of the Article 66 submission from RFC is subject to a resolution asking UEFA to investigate put to the Celtic AGM in November 2013 which is still in progress. As has been mentioned twice before Mr Regan has either been kept in the dark or was being less than honest with Alex Thomson. Interestingly Andrew Dickson who has been at Rangers in various administration and executive capacity since 1991 sat on 3 of the four UEFA Licensing Committee meetings during 2011. He may of course have excused himself from any discussions on this matter as the rules allowed, but was a full explanation why he did so, if indeed he did, offered? Would such an explanation have enlightened Mr Regan of what he was dealing with?

AT Sometimes things can be within the rules but from a PR point of view, indeed from a moral point of view, hate to introduce morality to football but can be the wrong thing to do. You would accept that?

SR Well I think that football around the world is going through a difficult time, clubs are in difficult financial circumstances, not just in Scotland, you look down into England and look at the clubs in Administration at the moment. You know Portsmouth and Port Vale in recent times and I think Plymouth is as well again. As far as that is concerned you know that indicates that clubs are living from hand to mouth and there are deals being done all the time with HMRC, payment plans being agreed. There is huge amounts of debt in football.

AT I’m just inviting you to accept that sometimes things can be within the rules but just look bad because morally, they are bad.

ST I think when taxes aren’t paid ehm VAT in particular, National Insurance Contributions of course that’s bad and I think we accept that and we know that in the current regime there is evidence to suggest that Rangers has not paid its taxes since Mr Whyte took over the club. That’s wrong that is against the spirit of the game and certainly we would look to deal with that and stamp out that type of behaviour which is not acting with integrity.

If Carlsberg did irony!

End of Interview.

The Hard Not to Believe Conclusions

There is always the danger in examining anything of finding what you want to be there rather than what is there and it is a danger any writer has to be aware of, but given the responses from Harper MacLeod on TSFM and the total lack of response from the SPFL and SFA when being informed of the missing evidence along with what has been written here it is hard not to conclude that the Lord Nimmo Smith Inquiry was deliberately set up in such a way as to produce two results

  • The minimising of the wrongful behaviour that had taken place from 1999 to 2012 when The Commission sat
  • The avoidance of the consequences of admitting that serious wrongdoing in the form of illegal payments had been made via irregular EBTs, which consequently made the players involved ineligible from the outset, making the Bryson ruling inapplicable in those cases with the consequences of that ineligibility on trophies and remuneration won.

The reader will find it hard not to conclude that either

  • there was a huge screw up by the SPL lawyers charged to set up the Commission which they might be able to defend
  • or
  • Vital knowledge was concealed within the SFA itself in order to achieve the above two results and
  • This knowledge was deliberately concealed because had it not been The Inquiry could not have come to the conclusion it did on player eligibility, not only because unlawful ebts were used in early instances, but also because the deliberate concealment from HMRC of the side letters to De Boer and Flo, the former also kept from Harper and MacLeod, suggests Rangers knew all along and in 2005 in particular that what they were doing since 2000 was morally wrong and against the spirit of the game. It perhaps also explains why HMRC is determined to push an appeal all the way.
  • This failure to supply all documents meant that the line being taken by Mr Regan in March 2012, when the Commission was being set up into the use of ebts and failure to register them with the SFA, came to fulfilment in the Decision of Lord Nimmo Smith himself, achieving the two aims suggested above.

Given that Harper MacLeod have said they passed on to the SFA in September 2014 the evidence kept from them by Rangers Administrators, has Stewart Regan spoken to either Ogilvie or Dickson since then about keeping him in the dark? Or did he know all along?

Of course these hard to believe conclusions could be discounted as delusional ramblings if either the SFA or SPFL were to say they would investigate the evidence kept from Harper MacLeod. It would also help if only one of the thirteen main stream journalists would look at the hard copy of the concealed documents they were provided with, because until someone who values sporting integrity does, the stench of corruption will hang over Scottish football for years to reek out anytime the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission is used as a justification for anything that it contains.

Annex One – Extracts from Lord Nimmo Smith Decision

[5] Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in

breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;

 

Outline of the Scheme

 

[35] As we have said, a controlling interest in Oldco was held by David Murray through the medium of Murray MHL Limited, part of the Murray Group of companies. Murray Group Management Limited (MGM) provided management services to the companies of the Murray Group. By deed dated 20 April 2001 MGM set up the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust (the MGMRT). (We note that the MGMRT was preceded by the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust, but we are not aware that they were different trusts. We shall treat them as a continuous trust, which we shall refer to throughout as the MGMRT.)

 

[40] Mr Ogilvie learnt about the existence of the MGMRT in about 2001 or 2002, because a contribution was made for his benefit. He understood that this was non-contractual. Although as a result he knew about the existence of the MGMRT, he did not know any details of it. He subsequently became aware, while he remained director of Oldco, that contributions were being made to the MGMRT in respect of players. He assumed that these were made in respect of the players’ playing football, which was the primary function for which they were employed and remunerated. He had no involvement in the organisation or management of Oldco’s contributions to the MGMRT, whether for players or otherwise. He said:

“I assumed that all contributions to the Trust were being made legally, and that any relevant football regulations were being complied with. I do not recall contributions to the Trust being discussed in any detail, if at all, at Board meetings. In any event, Board meetings had become less and less frequent by my later years at Rangers.”

He also said: “Nothing to do with the contributions being made to the Trust fell within the scope of my remit at Rangers”.

However it should be noted that Mr Ogilvie was a member of the board of directors who approved the statutory accounts of Oldco which disclosed very substantial payments made under the EBT arrangements.

 

[88] In our opinion, this was a correct decision by Mr McKenzie. There is every reason why the rules of the SFA and the SPL relating to registration should be construed and applied consistently with each other. Mr Bryson’s evidence about the position of the SFA in this regard was clear. In our view, the Rules of the SPL, which admit of a construction consistent with those of the SFA, should be given that construction. All parties’ concerned – clubs, players and footballing authorities – should be able to proceed on the faith of an official register. This means that a player’s registration should generally be treated as standing unless and until revoked. There may be extreme cases in which there is such a fundamental defect that the registration of a player must be treated as having been invalid from the outset. But in the kind of situation that we are dealing with here we are satisfied that the registration of the Specified Players with the SPL was valid from the outset, and accordingly that they were eligible to play in official matches. There was therefore no breach of SPL Rule D1.11.

 

[104] As we have already explained, in our view the purpose of the Rules applicable to Issues 1 to 3 is to promote the sporting integrity of the game. These rules are not designed as any form of financial regulation of football, analogous to the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. Thus it is not the purpose of the Rules to regulate how one football club may seek to gain financial and sporting advantage over others. Obviously, a successful club is able to generate more income from gate money, sponsorship, advertising, sale of branded goods and so on, and is consequently able to offer greater financial rewards to its manager and players, in the hope of even more success. Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law – so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme. The SPL presented no argument to challenge the decision of the majority of the Tax Tribunal and Mr McKenzie stated expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. Accordingly we proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful. What we are concerned with is the fact that the side-letters issued to the Specified Players, in the course of the operation of the EBT scheme, were not disclosed to the SPL and the SFA as required by their respective Rules.

[105] It seems appropriate in the first place to consider whether such breach by non-disclosure conferred any competitive advantage on Rangers FC. Given that we have held that Rangers FC did not breach Rule D1.11 by playing ineligible players, it did not secure any direct competitive advantage in that respect. If the breach of the rules by non-disclosure of the side-letters conferred any competitive advantage, that could only have been an indirect one. Although it is clear to us from Mr Odam’s evidence that Oldco’s failure to disclose the side-letters to the SPL and the SFA was at least partly motivated by a wish not to risk prejudicing the tax advantages of the EBT scheme, we are unable to reach the conclusion that this led to any competitive advantage. There was no evidence before us as to whether any other members of the SPL used similar EBT schemes, or the effect of their doing so. Moreover, we have received no evidence from which we could possibly say that Oldco could not or would not have entered into the EBT arrangements with players if it had been required to comply with the requirement to disclose the arrangements as part of the players’ full financial entitlement or as giving rise to payment to players. It is entirely possible that the EBT arrangements could have been disclosed to the SPL and SFA without prejudicing the argument – accepted by the majority of the Tax Tribunal at paragraph 232 of their decision – that such arrangements, resulting in loans made to the players, did not give rise to payments absolutely or unreservedly held for or to the order of the individual players. On that basis, the EBT arrangements could have been disclosed as contractual arrangements giving rise to a facility for the player to receive loans, and there would have been no breach of the disclosure rules.

[106] We therefore proceed on the basis that the breach of the rules relating to disclosure did not give rise to any sporting advantage, direct or indirect. We do not therefore propose to consider those sanctions which are of a sporting nature.

[107] We nevertheless take a serious view of a breach of rules intended to promote sporting integrity. Greater financial transparency serves to prevent financial irregularities. There is insufficient evidence before us to enable us to draw any conclusion as to exactly how the senior management of Oldco came to the conclusion that the EBT arrangements did not require to be disclosed to the SPL or the SFA. In our view, the apparent assumption both that the side-letter arrangements were entirely discretionary, and that they did not form part of any player’s contractual entitlement, was seriously misconceived. Over the years, the EBT payments disclosed in Oldco’s accounts were very substantial; at their height, during the year to 30 June 2006, they amounted to more than £9 million, against £16.7 million being that year’s figure for wages and salaries. There is no evidence that the Board of Directors of Oldco took any steps to obtain proper external legal or accountancy advice to the Board as to the risks inherent in agreeing to pay players through the EBT arrangements without disclosure to the football authorities. The directors of Oldco must bear a heavy responsibility for this. While there is no question of dishonesty, individual or corporate, we nevertheless take the view that the nondisclosure must be regarded as deliberate, in the sense that a decision was taken that the side letters need not be or should not be disclosed. No steps were taken to check, even on a hypothetical basis, the validity of that assumption with the SPL or the SFA. The evidence of Mr Odam (cited at paragraph [43] above) clearly indicates a view amongst the management of Oldco that it might have been detrimental to the desired tax treatment of the payments being made by Oldco to have disclosed the existence of the side-letters to the football authorities.

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Celtic fan from Glasgow living mostly in Spain. A contributor to several websites, discussion groups and blogs, and a member of the Resolution 12 Celtic shareholders' group. Committed to sporting integrity, good governance, and the idea that football is interdependent. We all need each other in the game.

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  1. I know this was mentioned on here yesterday, but it’s annoying all over again to see the Mail article’s take on the Naismith / Rangers situation, using the “refused to rule out” weasel words.

    Using that line of logic, it could equally be said that Naismith didn’t rule out signing for Celtic, turning out for Scotland dressed as a character from Game of Thrones, or replacing Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear. Come on Daily Mail, at least put some effort into it!


  2. Begby has fair come up in the world after his time in train spotting has he not?


  3. Night Terror says:
    March 25, 2015 at 9:44 am

    That Begbies Traynor analysis is an absolute belter and could be ripped apart line by line.

    The thing I find most striking is the long repeated mistake of aggregating all attendances or turnover of all clubs in Scottish Football and noting a decrease overall. This decrease is generally correctly attributed to the consequences of the travails of one club which dwarfs every other club in the country bar one.

    Is it really such a hard cognitive leap to then acknowledge that the main impact on this one large club’s problems is on that one club alone?

    The reduction in attendances across Scottish football of 30,000 every two weeks would indeed be a crisis if this was evenly spread across all clubs, but it’s quite obviously not. Reduced income and attendance at Ibrox has no effect whatsoever on any other club. For a proper analysis of the health of Scottish football this figure needs to be excluded. It’s a distorting outlier that screws all attempts at sensible analysis and recommendation.

    Why is this so hard to grasp for so many people purported to have looked at the finances of the Scottish game? Even Henry McLeish comes out with such statements.

    As it stands, Ken Pattullo seems to have summed up a bunch of football pundits’ and ex-pros views very accurately, but as a professional financial diagnosis of Scottish football’s problems it is inaccurate, shallow and highly misleading. It should be of deep embarrassment to his employers Begbies Traynor. I wonder if it is.
    ===============================================
    The Scottish football universe is perceived to have “Rangers” at its centre, and so everything is done from a Rangerscentric perspective.

    This situation is a smaller version of the UK political/governmental model, where everything is done from a Londoncentric perspective.


  4. bfbpuzzled says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Begby has fair come up in the world after his time in train spotting has he not?
    ——————————
    Aye, and Traynor’s come a long way since his Record days. :roll


  5. The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 11:54 am
    , they intend to retain PLC status rather than revert to a Ltd Co.

    ========================

    What are the rules about remaining a PLC (publically listed company) after de-listing?

    Would they not need a 75% vote to approve a share issue? Is that on the cards?

    More Swiss cheese journalism, with blue veins of wishful bear thinking.


  6. Begbies Traynor- independent professional advice and solutions. i can only hope for the sake of any sucker who entrusts them with actual money that they follow the cast in stone mantra of professional advisors: there’s money to be made out of giving advice, not by following it.
    Their case has been justly ridiculed here and from a diddy team (AFC) view I totally reject the potential of an extra 1000 or so on the odd home gate being worth the downside. As for the Sky TV red herring; I’ve said on here before the deal is so crap we can afford to lose it for a lesser revenue and better fan friendliness IMO.
    However, it’s a fine day and these tattie dreels winnae dig themselves so I’ll get to the point that Patullo and the whole SMSM/SPFL/SFA don’t get.
    It’s. A. Game. Of. Fitba.
    If the armageddon came to fruition and we ended up with half the attendances we have now (ridiculous proposition isn’t it?) then guess what? We’d have to operate within those parameters. I could go on about developing youths, promoting competition, better use of total income etc but it doesn’t matter. That’s the fitba we would have. It’s a bloody shame that the company that operates the team out of Ibrox employs less people than their predecessors but that’s about it. Our fitba is where it’s at for multiple reasons none of which is that the Gers aren’t top of their division never mind not being in the Premiership. Get over it.
    Now, the tatties are chitted, I need to get a move on.


  7. “Only one club in Scotland’s top three divisions shows signs of critical financial distress, down by two thirds since a year ago, and by 75% since 2012.”

    Yes this could be the subject of a very positive article on Scottish football – one that smacks the armageddon argument right in the face and shows that the rest of Scottish football is getting its financial act togehter, in spite of the SFA/SPL who, as far as I can see have done nothing to help (apart from one club getting special attention). As Jean and Brenda have said it is frustrating that the 6th floor continues to be full of people who do not have all the success of all clubs on ther radar – and no SFA/SPL, one specific club is not the cure for the rest – in fact quite the opposite. That said we have to and wil fight on because one day it will make the victory ever so much sweeter.

    Also agree with other posters that a club with 30k attendances should not be taken into the mix or as a given in such articles. Already this season we have seen low crowds at a particular stadium and figures exagerrated by 23k season ticket holders. What happens next year if the team scrapes enough money together to keep the lights on/youth team running, and, Championship or SPL, the team are in 8th or 9th place. Their attendances will then decline dramatically and be in line with the rest – well perhaps with a [ahem] small rise for one opponent in particular.

    Scottish Football still needs a strong Arbroath and more like Turnbull Hutton on the 6th floor!


  8. Tartanwulver says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    I know this was mentioned on here yesterday, but it’s annoying all over again to see the Mail article’s take on the Naismith / Rangers situation, using the “refused to rule out” weasel words.

    Using that line of logic, it could equally be said that Naismith didn’t rule out signing for Celtic, turning out for Scotland dressed as a character from Game of Thrones, or replacing Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear. Come on Daily Mail, at least put some effort into it!
    =====================================
    Kyle Lafferty was yesterday’s ex-Rangers player to have a similar non-story in the press.

    Last time I looked, he was still contracted to NCFC and on loan at Rizespor, although the Hampden game tonight seems to be an excuse for the press to print such drivel.

    I assume that every player in both squads will in due course be quoted as saying how they miss “Rangers” being in the top division etc etc etc. 🙄


  9. If they have a (successful) share issue and the £10 million is raised, how long will that last?

    They need to pony up £5 million at Christmas to Mike.

    I presume the stadium is not self repairing over time.

    12 players (of a senior variety) are out of contract and need replacing.

    Current spend rate is in excess of £1.5 million per month.

    Promotion is not a given, could they get promotion next year with a ‘new’ team if they don’t manage this year?

    The 3 Bears are not investing (nor Mike), they want their money back, they are loans.


  10. Bawsman says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    “They need to pony up £5 million at Christmas to Mike.”

    Actually they need to pony up £6.5 million at Christmas, just sayin


  11. Ashley must be feeling crusheed now that his pet project has been snatched from him and they are making such a success of it without him.

    btw how is that L&L investigation coming on – I assume they are still being paid at the expense of the three bears. That can’t taste nice.


  12. I didn’t think the first tranche £5m had a repayment date? Rather that it was there as long as the extended retail contract remained?

    Secondly, given the relatively small quantum 😈 I’m fairly sure the 3B’s don’t expect a Christmas repayment tbh.


  13. Smugas says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    I thought there was an expiry date?


  14. mcfc says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 11:54 am
    , they intend to retain PLC status rather than revert to a Ltd Co.

    ========================

    What are the rules about remaining a PLC (publically listed company) after de-listing?

    Would they not need a 75% vote to approve a share issue? Is that on the cards?

    More Swiss cheese journalism, with blue veins of wishful bear thinking.
    ========================================
    The directors would require authority to issue shares. That is usually contained in the standard AGM motions if not already in the articles of association, but I can’t remember if that was passed at the last AGM or whether the articles are silent or not.
    If not, a new authority would be required by ordinary resolution, which should not be a problem.

    Pre-emption rights prevent the scenario being discussed in the Mail fanzine, as all shareholders would have to be offered a pro-rata option. We know that authority to disapply pre-emption was rejected at the gazebo AGM, so a new special resolution would be required (75% majority) to enable a dilution of existing minority holdings. That seems more difficult to predict, given that the last EGM vote was skewed by abstentions so the DK/PM landslide was not what it seemed. MA and associates were happy enough to see someone else take the ticking parcel at the EGM, but would they be willing to see their holdings diluted?

    Is there an up to date list of shareholdings?


  15. Scapa

    Nope! And he’s still allowed his two directors of it as well.


  16. scapaflow says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Smugas says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    I thought there was an expiry date?
    ==============================
    First tranche
    “The Club will transfer 26% of the share capital in Rangers Retail Limited (“RRL”) to SD for the duration of the Facility (the “Transfer”), which will be transferred back, at no cost, upon repayment of all outstanding sums owed by Rangers and its subsidiaries to SD. There is no specified repayment period for the first tranche of the Facility.

    The Facility is to be secured by (1) a floating charge over the Club’s assets and (2) fixed charges over Murray Park, Edmiston House, Albion Car Park, and the Club’s registered trademarks. None of the security that is being given to SD covers Ibrox Stadium, which is specifically excluded and remains in the full ownership of the Club, free from any security. SD will also have the right to nominate two directors to the board of Rangers for the duration of the Facility, any such nomination will be subject to regulatory consent pursuant to the AIM Rules and other regulatory bodies. If the entire sum drawn down is repaid, the Facility will be deemed to be terminated, all security will be released, the 26% of RRL will revert to the Company and all rights of SD to nominate Directors to the Board of the Company will cease.”


  17. mention of Lord Hodge a little earlier pr9mpts me to ask: any date yet for HMRC’s appeal to the Supreme Court of the UK (to which Lord Hodge was elevated) against the uttt decisions of Lord Doherty?


  18. mcfc says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Ashley must be feeling crusheed now that his pet project has been snatched from him and they are making such a success of it without him.

    btw how is that L&L investigation coming on – I assume they are still being paid at the expense of the three bears. That can’t taste nice.
    ===============================
    Pinsent Masons are on the case, and are being as fastidious as ever.

    Allegedly. :irony:


  19. http://t.co/wplaVFnKhb

    Warning- the link is to CQN, and I wouldn’t normally post a link to a Celtic fan site, but this concerns an issue raised by Big Pink recently- a Herald article suggesting that CFC had “banned” the use of the H word in 2001.

    Moderators, please delete if inappropriate.


  20. The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    ===============================
    ah, Pinsent Masons – nothing gets past those boys – straight to th heart of the matter – bloodhounds of the highest order. Their Green & Whyte report still stands as an example to us all.


  21. mcfc says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    ===============================
    ah, Pinsent Masons – nothing gets past those boys – straight to th heart of the matter – bloodhounds of the highest order. Their Green & Whyte report still stands as an example to us all.

    =========================
    Aye, an example of how to make millions from statements of the bleeding obvious, without ever addressing any underlying issues- although to be fair, that was the result that the then Board (with Saint Walter as a member) appear to have commissioned in advance.


  22. I’m a bit of an anorak about trends and I wonder if anyone can feed my nerdiness about the general performance of plc’s that have a) been suspended and b) have been de-listed.

    Do they tend to flourish and go on to great things, or do they tend to bump along the bottom and fade away ?

    Maybe Mr Pattullo has some insights and experience he could share.


  23. mcfc says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    Maybe Mr Pattullo has some insights and experience he could share.
    ===================

    Or we could ask Neil Patey for some input? Seems like a go-to kind of a guy.


  24. The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:02 pm
    ——–

    I saw David Low tweeting earlier about ‘deep discount shares’ allowing the 3Bs + exile king bear to gain overall control — whether via AIM or not.

    Isn’t that what the previous board was seeking to do, but failed to achieve?

    Whaurs thon warchest the fans ur expectin?

    PS You often read about ‘the unseen Fenian hand’, but could there actually be an unseen Funian hand at work on behalf of the ‘Funs’? (A ‘Fun’ is much less derogatory than an Attila :mrgreen: )


  25. Danish Pastry says:
    March 25, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    More like the unseen FuD hand, as in the Fu!)ing Desperate :mrgreen:


  26. On the question of what delisting might mean for a plc, Investopedia possibly says some pertinent general things.
    The site I was on was
    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/032002.asp
    I don’t think you’ll be able just to click on this as a link, probably have to key it in the hard way.
    Another weakness ogf this wee tablet thingy.
    Or, perhaps more likely, further evidence of my technological iliteracy!


  27. Oh, the link turned blue! maybe you can just click on it.


  28. John Clark says:
    March 25, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    congratulations, when’s the happy event?


  29. The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm
    Tartanwulver says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Only the most foolish would buy into any prospect of the players from the old club/ clumpany “coming back” to *Rangers.

    These are PR Fluff pieces designed to create positive feeling amongst the support/ players.

    Talk of new share issue? Whilst it is not impossible, we remain cautious in the knowledge that previous boards failed to do just that. What’s changed?

    IMO, This is raising cash on heartstrings and nothing else. Add to that stories of (insert minor ‘legned’ Lafferty/ Davis/ Naismith et al) returning to the new *Rangers should they make the top flight.

    Perhaps someone could ask, Who pays / how much for transfer fees?
    Who pays / how much for wages? Are season ticket sales being met/ increased due to this positive PR?
    Do the existing players feel comfortable that they will be out of contract and these new/old players will just slot into their position? Apart from possibly Naismith, the others are has-beens

    These really are non – stories!

    Not one SMSM has reported that I plan to buy a winning lottery ticket! :mrgreen:


  30. scapa, would that today I might be responsible for that kind of good news!
    I’m not even sure that them kind o tests had been available in 19 oatcake!


  31. John Clark says:
    March 25, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    :mrgreen: The spirit is willing…. :mrgreen:


  32. TBK says:
    March 25, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm
    Tartanwulver says:
    March 25, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    Only the most foolish would buy into any prospect of the players from the old club/ clumpany “coming back” to *Rangers.

    These are PR Fluff pieces designed to create positive feeling amongst the support/ players.

    Talk of new share issue? Whilst it is not impossible, we remain cautious in the knowledge that previous boards failed to do just that. What’s changed?

    IMO, This is raising cash on heartstrings and nothing else. Add to that stories of (insert minor ‘legned’ Lafferty/ Davis/ Naismith et al) returning to the new *Rangers should they make the top flight.

    Perhaps someone could ask, Who pays / how much for transfer fees?
    Who pays / how much for wages? Are season ticket sales being met/ increased due to this positive PR?
    Do the existing players feel comfortable that they will be out of contract and these new/old players will just slot into their position? Apart from possibly Naismith, the others are has-beens

    These really are non – stories!

    Not one SMSM has reported that I plan to buy a winning lottery ticket! :mrgreen:
    ===================================
    “Jam tomorrow” sums it up perfectly.

    From Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/jam-tomorrow.html


  33. A fellow Bampot, [sorry can’t remember who], mentioned that a Scottish player was not included in U-19 Scotland squad – even though he is with Real Madrid.
    Will the SFA chase him off to play for Spain instead ?! 🙁

    Read the attached link and weep.

    “…The Scotland coach labelled Harper a “luxury player”…

    Jack was born in Malaga after his parents relocated to the Costa del Sol from Scotland 20 years ago. He joined Real as a 13-year-old and is now halfway through a new five-year contract with the European champions, having also represented Scotland at different youth levels in the past.

    John told the Record: “The day after Scotland announced the U19 squad, and Jack wasn’t included, Spain were on the phone asking about his position and international status…”

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12017/9775330/real-madrid-starlet-jack-harper-could-play-for-spain-after-scotland-snub


  34. Re the Patullo nonsense. He states that “technically” they are not the deepest in doo doo in the top 3 Scottish divisions…..So not the 4th then. I think the Prem and Championship can also be excluded, or the 3rd would not rate a mention.
    So a club in the 3rd division(div 1)is “technically” in deeper bother than Sevco.
    What are we talking about? Short of a couple of hunner. maybe a couple of grand?
    Not quite the same is it.


  35. Well I see the Beeb has made it clear that the rules have to apply to even the biggest stars:
    ‘Announcing his decision, Lord Hall said Clarkson’s dismissal was unavoidable after “a member of staff – who is a completely innocent party – took himself to Accident and Emergency after a physical altercation accompanied by sustained and prolonged verbal abuse of an extreme nature.’

    “For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736

    If only the governance of scottish football was so equitable and uncompromising on principle!


  36. Prohibby says:
    March 25, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    “For me a line has been crossed. There cannot be one rule for one and one rule for another dictated by either rank, or public relations and commercial considerations.”
    =======================================================
    Doncaster et al must be scratching their heads in the bunker wondering what on earth that line means.
    What’s the point of having discretion written into every section of the rulebook and employing fixers like Bryson and McGlennan if everything can be made so straightforward.
    With that kind of BBC nonsense, the SFA/SPFL could even find time to sort out sponsorship and tell Sky and BT where to stick their pathetic tv deals, as they wouldn’t need to spend all their time in clandestine meetings to prearrange the outcome of every enquiry or disciplinary hearing.

    What a shame though that BT Sport don’t make a similar unequivocal statement in respect of their pundits and presenters.


  37. The Cat NR1 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    What made the afternoon tea go cold at Hampden, was realising that the Clarkson investigation was conducted by a *gulp* BBC Scotland executive.

    Now that BBC Scotland have re-discovered how to investigate something, perhaps they will let the local talent off the leash?

    Filming of sleepless in Mount Florida begins soon :mrgreen:


  38. The “Jack Harper” episode merely brings to the fore that many young fooyballers are told day in and day out that they do not measure up to the ideas of a coach who may or may not have had an illustrious career as a player, but because of his “badges” he can virtually destroy a desire to make the grade as a professional footballer. There are a few cases that have been highlighted over the last ten years where young men have gone on to have a well paid career as footballers after having been told “you’re not good enough for us”. The problem lies with “coaches” to my way of thinking.


  39. ekt1m says:
    March 25, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    As the old saying about graduate trainees has it

    Give an idiot a degree and all you’ve got is a fecking idiot with a degree

    Common sense and judgement are rare talents.


  40. StevieBC says:
    March 25, 2015 at 3:01 pm
    ———-

    Sad that. He wanted a ‘physical side with runners’? Makes your heart sink when you read that. He could still have included the lad in the squad. Not every day there’s a Scot at Real Madrid.

    Since it looks like RRM are going to take monthly turns at dipping into their pockets, who’ll put up the wages next month? And if all 2015-16 season ticket money basically covers outstanding loans, then what? You do wonder what’s going on behnd the scenes with Charles Green, Ashley & co, after all, wasn’t there some huge outstanding bill circulating around Christmastime? The one Somers was so upset about? There must be money to be wrung out of the Sevco project yet.


  41. ekt1m says:
    March 25, 2015 at 5:15 pm
    The “Jack Harper” episode merely brings to the fore that many young footballers are told day in and day out that they do not measure up to the ideas of a coach…
    ===============================

    Can anyone enlighten us re: current coaching levels in Scotland.

    When I were a lad, if you were of the size/stature of a Lionel Messi, you might not get totally dismissed, but it would be held against you – regardless of ability.

    [Off the top of my head, I can only think of Jinky as the exception that proved the rule in previous generations in Scotland ?]

    I would like to think that cultivating natural ability is one of the prime objectives of modern Scottish coaches today, even above pace and aggression ?
    Or am I way off the mark here ?


  42. Size is still the single biggest factor in getting picked in Scottish youth football. I recently watched a lad who is very big for his age attempting a drill that involved a pass off a wall, control turn dribble 5 yards pass off a target etc etc. He was terrible at it, he had several goes, all bad.

    He is a very effective player for his top tier club team on a Sunday and this week he was selected for Scotland. However once the other boys achieve puberty his lack of skill will catch up with him, and Scottish football will be no further forward.


  43. Delahunt leaves Clyde SSB after being done for drink driving


  44. Auldheid says:

    March 25, 2015 at 5:49 pm

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    Auldheid, that’s interesting. I believe I had seen the ASA response previously and saw it being derided by TRFC fans on the basis that the ASA had ruled simply that Celtic fans could use an advert to state their opinion. I, too, thought that the Asa decision hadn’t helped one way or the other to prove or disprove the Old Club/New club argument. What I hadn’t seen previously was this wording from their statement which is supportive of the club being ‘deid’ (Copyright J Guidetti)…..‘Therefore, they are not making claims that are in breach of our previous ruling about a different related ad. We accepted that the club had been liquidated so the advertiser is allowed to state this’.

    Has this line always been in their response? If so, I’m surprised I missed it. I’m not denigrating you or CQN by asking that – it’s just that I thought if we had all seen that line, we’d have made more of it at the time.

    (all the above caveated by the fact that ASA don’t really have any particular credibility in this matter, though any support is welcome).


  45. andygraham.66 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Delahunt leaves Clyde SSB after being done for drink driving

    ===============

    I’m a bit puzzled- I don’t really get the connection, unless he was “on duty” at the time, which seems a bit unlikely. Of course drink driving is completely reprehensible, but I thought it only cost you your job if you were driving for a living. I stand to be corrected, of course, and doubtless will be.


  46. neepheid says:
    March 25, 2015 at 7:31 pm
    andygraham.66 says:
    March 25, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Delahunt leaves Clyde SSB after being done for drink driving

    ===============

    I’m a bit puzzled- I don’t really get the connection, unless he was “on duty” at the time…
    ===============
    I don’t get it either.

    Unless it was a company car and/or his particular contract with Bauer/Clyde contains clauses about ‘personal behaviour’ standards, even when off duty ?

    Just guessing.


  47. neepheid says:
    March 25, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Dunno, mitigating any reputational damage to Bauer Media? Though the phrase “came to light” is suggestive, perhaps not totally forthcoming with his employer?


  48. Pity about Delahunt. He tried hard to walk a very narrow line/sit on the fence. Maybe he felt the online host position would have given too much grief? Certain knives were out for him after he dared utter the word ‘Sevco’ on air, and some real cases phone in to SSB.

    Not much of a crowd at Hampden tonight. But Gibraltar is the big wan 😮


  49. Danish

    It on the magic very legal box then?
    Or Denmark game?


  50. No, I’m sorry but I just don’t like those ‘Battenberg Cake’ tops… 😉


  51. Stevie

    Believe it or not at the Nigeria game in Fulham the locals were snapping them up.


  52. ianagain says:
    March 25, 2015 at 8:05 pm
    Danish

    It on the magic very legal box then?
    Or Denmark game?
    ——–

    Haha, it is indeed the very magic legal IPTV box. So impressed by Scotland under Strachan, they just start where they left off in the previous match. So pleasing on the eye.

    I actually don’t know who the Danes are playing, if they are. Embarassing 😳

    NI in blue and their fans giving it GStQ & Rule B. Reminds me of something, can’t quite put my finger on it.

    Regarding Auldheid’s link I seem to remember the Greek sports lawyer chappie Gregory I. tweeting about legal entities a few months back and the importance of that status to club identity, otherwise there could be trouble st UEFA mill.


  53. Nawlite

    That response from ASA is to complaints about the SH advert (and the early draft that got around on line but was not what was advertised).

    Was there not a much earlier response from ASA that was used by Rangers fans to back up their same club argument?

    That being so then it’s possible that ASA were persuaded by the interupted membership fact expressed in the advert to state what they did.

    Did ASA not depend in the first case on what SFA said to be so? However perhaps the info supplied to back the fact based opinion expressed in the advert allowed ASA a more informed view?

    I don’t know and did not appreciate the difference you point to as I never gave what ASA said in the first place any authority or credence.

    However you bring out one thrust of the article which is that whatever the SFA told ASA (if my memory serves me right that ASA contacted the SFA in the earlier instance) the SFA may possibly have told UEFA something different to comply with Article 12 and the Annex referred to.

    The chances of the SFA, UEFA clarifying are as good as the three monkeys having an Epiphany and yet how the applications by RFC for a UEFA licence any time before 2012 was presented would tell us how RFC saw themselves as a club under a) or a company operating a club on a contractual basis and on whose behalf an application was being made under b) of Art 12.

    They will all hide behind confidentiality. It covers a multitude of lies.


  54. Danish Pastry

    The same club supporters used ASA, ECA SFA obfuscation and LNS selectively to support their case.

    The one place they would not go for a ruling was UEFA because not only can UEFA speak with authority but they also value the integrity of their competitions.
    The difference between UEFA and SFA is quite noticeable in that respect in this whole episode.


  55. Jim Delahunt was no Jim Spence but he will be missed. D
    Rink driving is both avoidable and beyond the pale. I guess that using beyond the pale will be deemed sectarian and thus be beyond the pale…


  56. bfbpuzzled says:
    March 25, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Rink driving is both avoidable and beyond the pale…
    =======================================================

    …and very slidy too… 🙄

    [Childish I know, but can’t help myself ! 😕 ]


  57. londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/…
    This one has not gone away you know.
    I’m hearing that Big Mike et al rather active on this front….
    #FitAndProper


  58. sickofitall says:
    March 25, 2015 at 9:15 pm
    ____________________________________

    Hope you don’t mind me adding that it is from Phil’s twitter account.


  59. StevieBC says:
    March 25, 2015 at 6:36 pm
    =======================
    There were plenty of wee wingers in the 60s and 70s. Obvious ones were Willie Henderson and Tommy Mclean ; Gibson for Thistle; I must admit I can’t remember more but my vague impression is that wee wingers were common back then – but back then every team had better players and every team played out and out wingers.


  60. The Jackson Klaxon has just been sounded

    keith jackson ‏@tedermeatballs 3m3 minutes ago
    Stay tuned for news of some incredible wiggery-pokery. (and they thought it was all over)

    Another good performance, if anyone ever doubts the difference a manager can make to any team, whatever the context, they just need to look at Scotland under Strachan


  61. coineanachantaighe says:
    March 25, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    StevieBC says:
    March 25, 2015 at 6:36 pm
    =======================
    There were plenty of wee wingers in the 60s and 70s. Obvious ones were Willie Henderson and Tommy Mclean ; Gibson for Thistle; I must admit I can’t remember more but my vague impression is that wee wingers were common back then – but back then every team had better players and every team played out and out wingers.
    ====================================
    Eric Sellars and John Wilkie for us….

    Scottish Football needs braw wee wingers!

    PS SMSM please note that I am not ruling out claiming a place in Arbroath’s forward line and then staking a further claim to a Scotland berth. Age and ability may potentially be limiting factors but if they can spout nonsense then so can I! 🙂


  62. redlichtie says:
    March 25, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    mmm in that case Scotland needs open spaces where the weans can play tanner ba fitba without being hunted by all and sundry

    Scottish Football needs school playing fields for primary schools, not bark chipped postage stamps


  63. Auldheid says:
    March 25, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Remember the advert in the Sunday Herald re how Celtic fans viewed TRFC?
    ————————————————————-

    ‘As explained in our previous ruling, we accepted that although run by a different legal entity, that Rangers Football Club (RFC) was still the same football club.
    In this instance, the ads are providing the opinion that Celtic supporters consider Rangers Football Club to be a new club, based on the legal entity of the club.
    ‘Therefore, they are not making claims that are in breach of our previous ruling about a different related ad.
    We accepted that the club had been liquidated so the advertiser is allowed to state this.

    (Taken from http://www.cqnmagazine.com/asa-the-different-entity-uefa-rules/)

    Is this the Shcrodingers cat thingy that I have heard so much about? Rangers are both dead and alive until you really.. really open the box and see for yourself.
    Seems a lot of folk are awfully reluctant to focus on the photon.”Open the box..”…”no..no take the money!”

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