The outbreak of internecine warfare at RIFC is being acted out through a real pea-soup fog right now. The war is being fought on so many fronts that it is difficult to see just exactly how many armies are involved, and how the alliances are shaping up.
Craig Mather would appear to be in the Charles Green camp, but it is difficult to imagine that he would be happy to hear old blunderbuss-mouth peppering Ally McCoist with shot. McCoist’s in-character but inelegant riposte, whilst a valiant attempt at deflection and self-preservation, put his mentor and chairman, Walter Smith in a rather awkward position. It gives Mather a double headache as he tries to head off Clyde Blowers boss Jim McColl – and his blowhard ally Paul Murray – at the EGM-pass.
If Mather stands by Green, and Smith does the same for McCoist, then the two main officers of the company will be in opposite, and hostile, camps.
As I say, making sense of it is difficult, but one thing is as clear as an empty window frame: the acrimony, which has been in existence for months, is only now being aired in public because the season ticket drive is over. The one policy that the warring factions have been in agreement with is “Not in Front of the Children”.
Now that the fans have been compelled to buy season tickets in substantial numbers through a mixture of fear, loyalty and a never-ending stream of press spin telling them that “Rangers are on the cusp of greatness if only the supporters cough up”, it seems acceptable that the real war can begin – but what is the prize?
There can be little doubt that all of the factions are aware that a conservative business model is necessary if Rangers are to establish themselves in Scottish football – certainly a more conservative one than that followed by RFC (IL). I infer therefore that the war is not over a Murray vs McCann approach. My best guess is that the war is one of ideals – between one faction which aims to make as much money in the short term as possible, and another which, whilst not averse to a bit of nest-feathering, sees the health of the club and the notion of a continuity Rangers as paramount.
The trouble for Rangers fans is that it is the former faction which holds all the cards – all the shares in fact. I think that all fans of the game of football would hope that people with football at heart would win out here, irrespective of what their partisan loyalties dictate on a day to day basis.
The problem for either warring faction is that the loyalty of the Rangers fans is finite. The “long road (back)” to the top is one which might engage them for while. It is a great journey which is not without its rewards and adventure, but expectations will be massive if and when they get to the top league. When the acceleration of progress meets the buffers of premier championship aspiration, gate money will be in the front passenger seat. Managing unrealistic expectations is extremely difficult, and evidenced by the use of McCoist’s recruitment sledgehammer to crack the nut of the bottom two divisions.
But here are some questions to which I honestly do not know the answer;
- How does the Rangersness faction wrest control away from these spivs?
- How will the spivs attempt to ensure that the Rangersness faction fails in their objective?
- Can the people in the Rangersness camp REALLY be trusted to act in the best interests of the club even if it is at odds with their own? This, given the close association with the terminal decline of the club they all profess to love.
- Is there any realistic scenario which allows this club to prosper and challenge for honours within a ten to fifteen year period?
My belief is that the key to the new club being able to establish itself is managing the expectations of the fans. Despite the MSM willingness to cut and paste RFC and RIFC press releases unadulterated, the ability of that same MSM to impress a message of realism into Rangers fans is zero. Not in front of the children in fact.
Is it really a sociological bridge too far to expect Rangers fans to turn down the expectation-ometer? I don’t believe it is. In the eighties, if I recall correctly, a seriously underachieving Rangers team were not met with demands for big spending. There was pressure on them to get better managers who could pick better players, but no demands for Fort Knox to be breached. If Rangers fans really want a club called Rangers playing in blue at Ibrox, and competing fully in the game, they need to find leaders who can sell the long-termism of such an aspiration. Many will hope, including the spivs and the MSM, that no such leader emerges.
BBC has McIntyre,Speirs,Jackson and Houston on .
I could only listen for 5 minutes before my ears started to bleed. 😕
That’s it BBC you keep kissing the new clubs arse!
Just heard G Spiers on BBC sportsound.
Talking about The cardigan GS stated that Mr Brogues was a weak chairman and it is like blasphemy having to criticize him. FFS why is that Graham??
Bill1903 says:
August 10, 2013 at 5:54 pm
SSB is worse Bill Keevins, Wishart , Delahunt and that other idiot Gordon honestly the tripe he speaks is embarrassing. 😈 😈
andy says:
August 10, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Jackson on Radio Scotland the institutional investers will re invest if there are board changes.
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Sure they will.
Charles: Hello Mr institutional invester invest in my wee Scottish project and I will make you rich.
Mr institutional invester: Sure Charles. Here’s £20 odd million. Go and get me a nice return.
7 Months later.
Mr institutional invester: Oh hello charles is that you coming with my nice little financial return?
Charles: Erm..No really…you see it would appear that I have mislaid your initial investment and now I need some more cash. The same again would be quite sufficient.
Mr institutional invester:
Answer A: Sure thing Charles. Mind how you go this time you little scamp.
Answer B: Fick off you little toad yir gettin fick all more out of me.
What do you think the answer would be?
Talking about Sir Brogues any body else notice when he walks away he wears his Black suede shoes(honestly) 😳
I think that, no matter the fate of the new Rangers and any successor club, the one thing that has arisen out of this mess is the brutally corrupt nature of the football authorities and the MSM.
I do not wish to beat the old Catholic paranoia drum here, because I am aware that it has the potential to be divisive instead of illuminating, but I hope people can bear with me for a minute if I touch on that thorny issue.
What we are seeing here, in the desperation to keep Rangers alive at all costs that Iceman spoke of , is the old “elephant tied to the post” trick. Old circus elephant handlers realised that if you tied a baby elephant to a post from which it could not free itself, the adult elephant wouldn’t even bother to try to free itself, even though a quick swivel of the hips would send the post into the middle of next week. The media and the football authorities simply do not question the false proposition that Rangers are indispensable – therefore they have engaged in their own circus of lies, rule breaking, misrepresentation, blackmail and questionable legality in order that they might bolster the façade of their alternative reality. All for the sake of satisfying their own psychological inadequacies and seeing to it that the distribution of income in the Scottish game is skewed in favour of the big boys.
We shouldn’t forget that these same institutions sat back for seventy-odd years and said and did NOTHING whilst a football club enforced the sordid proscription of a fifth of the population. This practice became so much a part of Scottish society that it was regarded in the same light as men holding a door open for women. “It’s jist auld fashioned!” or “Whiturtheylike?” instead of “WHIT????” My take, as someone who was raised in the community that was proscribed, is that the historical sin is far more serious, far more insidious and far more damaging to our society than the recent transgression,
My point though is not to cry in anguish on behalf of the marginalised minority, but that these institutions have a shameful history, and nothing they have done since has had the capacity to appal me in quite the same way. Happily in my experience, Scottish society in general has not remained in the Tardis-bubble of the authorities and the sports press. They are no more representative of our country than the guest list at a Holyrood Garden party.
But there is a lesson to be learnt. When you are not at the pointy end of discrimination, it is much more difficult to take it seriously. The opposite is also true, and experience burdens us with extra responsibility. It should endow us with an empathy which compels us to be more understanding, sympathetic, and less reactionary to others and their plight. It should make us less liable to make sweeping generalisations about people, whether it is based on race, religion, or the football team they support.
In other words, and to paraphrase Auldheid paraphrasing Einstein, we can’t depend on the SFA or the MSM to fix the mistakes that they have been making for nigh on a century. It is only ordinary folk like us, celebrating what we have in common instead of searching desperately, MSM-like, for what divides us who can be part of the solution.
The institutions in question are morally reprehensible, despite their daily platitudes and higher-than-thou rhetoric. Their existence and dominance depends on any movement which unites people to fail.
Another saying from all the SMSM that really is unbelievable Govan propaganda is the old chestnut “in 3/4 years time when Rangers get back to the top league were they BELONG it will be a benefit to Scottish football”
Surely this can only be achieved with a Ouija board or a very good medium.. We could then rename Ibrox to “The Black Pearl” (sorry no offence to pirates everywhere)
Good day Tif Fin,
I believe if you read my post again it will become clear that cash flow problems will not be a burning issue if the company’s trading position is stable, it is this stability that will convince investors to invest further. I do not anticipate a cash flow problem until the last quarter and interim accounts will precede this, the investor will be able to see if the projections made in mid Sept are realistic or fantasy. If they are on course then investment will not be difficult, but if the trading position is still heavily loss making the investors will be looking to offload to Rangers men, and they will put money in with them at the helm.
Either way Rangers are too far along the line to go into administration, the more the share price falls the easier it becomes to take over and finance.
Dont feed the troll
Celtic youth team managed to beat Liverpool first team clearly looking to win.Football Armageddon ?
Steerpike says:
August 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm
I take it by “further investment” you mean another share issue.
That would be an interesting one.
Have a share issue and miss the target by 18%. Spend all of the money on operating costs rather than on what was in the IPO prospectus. See the share price drop by 42% on it’s opening figure in under a year. Have a constant war within the board during that time, very highly publicised at that. See two chairman leave their post in questionable circumstances, as well as one CEO who happens to be the person who put the whole thing together and has been investigated by the authorities and his own PLC. Watch as the NOMAD who floated the company walks away. Make all of that happen to a PLC whose only source of income is an SPFL third tier football team, paying it’s senior staff way too much money.
Then go back to the same people and ask them to buy more shares and they go for it.
Great plan.
rantinrobin says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm
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Celtic youth team managed to beat Liverpool first team clearly looking to win.Football Armageddon ?
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If it was a ‘youth team’ then perhaps the adult team should have played St.Mirren today as was the fixture before this ‘glamour’ match with Liverpool was arranged.
Tin hat on 😉
Re the asbestos problem at Ibrox and the £millions it will, apparently, cost to remedy, is there actually any concrete evidence (apologies) that this is in fact a fact?
I’m not saying that it is or is not the case, I just haven’t seen anything to back this up.
Much like the taxi driver story of lack of a safety certificate of last week, this sounds to me like too many people (small “p”) jumping on the bandwagon of wishing The Rangers dead.
If Rangers are to die (again?) it will as a result of their own actions, not the wishful thinking of the good folks on the internet.
A Sevco supporting friend (I do have them), posted some pictures of her day out at Ibrox today. They remain private, obviously, but I can assure you there weren’t many people in them. Is there an official figure? Or, more relevantly, an unofficial one?
she must have been in the club deck, as most of the other parts were full
44,380
Point taken Mirrenman 😀
Kevin McHugh @kevinandfiona 19m
@SkySportsNews full time result from the Aviva in Dublin
KIndergarden 1 Kop 0
mirrenman says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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rantinrobin says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm
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Celtic youth team managed to beat Liverpool first team clearly
looking to win.Football Armageddon ?
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If it was a ‘youth team’ then perhaps the adult team should
have played St.Mirren today as was the fixture before this
‘glamour’ match with Liverpool was arranged.
Tin hat on
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I agree with you that these early season friendlies are ridiculous. Scotland’s Champions should be playing their friendlies during pre-season instead of having to play these even more ridiculous Champions League qualifiers.
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Famous song @ 7:33pm
The attendance figures were exaggerated last season at ibrokes (and Celtic park) there were a lot of free tickets on offer last year for ibrokes ( maybe that’s why sevco are skinto 😀 ) they can say what they like after all they are the peepil 😆 oh and world beaters
Can we just clear up the “additional investment” thing.
If people buy existing shares the money goes to the seller, not the PLC.
If however they have a share issue then the money goes into the PLC, however it dilutes the value of the existing share that people hold. If there are 100 shares issued and you hold one of them then you have 1% of the business. If a further 100 are issued then you still have the same number but now own only 0.5% of the business (unless you spend more of your money in buying one of the new shares).
People do not “invest” in football clubs by “gifting” them money. It simply doesn’t happen. They may provide loans on favourable terms but they do not gift the money. That would be the same as just handing your money to the other shareholders, as they get the same benefit out of it as you.
Rangers look likely to have cash flow issues the way things are going. That will have to be covered and the options are really limited to
a, Make greater sales to cover the difference, that seems unlikely
b, Sell off assets to bring cash in. Unlikely before January, when the fans will be looking to be net spenders not sellers.
c, Have a further share issue to raise funds. See my last.
d, Borrow money, from whom and on what terms.
should they not want the company back, seeing as the club is their’s forever anyway ?
and is it not the company deck now?
paulsatim @ 7:48
😛 🙂 😀 😆
vv
The Glen says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Re the asbestos problem at Ibrox and the £millions it will, apparently, cost to remedy, is there actually any concrete evidence (apologies) that this is in fact a fact?
I’m not saying that it is or is not the case, I just haven’t seen anything to back this up.
Much like the taxi driver story of lack of a safety certificate of last week, this sounds to me like too many people (small “p”) jumping on the bandwagon of wishing The Rangers dead.
If Rangers are to die (again?) it will as a result of their own actions, not the wishful thinking of the good folks on the internet.
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Experiments that have taken place at the Institute of Noe(tic) Sciences (IONS) and the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) have categorically proven that Human thought,if properly focused,had the ability to affect and Change physical mass.
Looks like we’re winning.
paulsatim says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:48 pm
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They’re clearly sending a message. I think they meant to send a clear message.
For the Celtic fans amongst us, if you have Liverpool FC TV, “Parkhead 89: The Fans Story” (the first LFC game after Hillsborough) is on now.
pau1mart1n says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:56 pm
should they not want the company back, seeing as the club is their’s forever anyway ?
and is it not the company deck now?
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Naw, it’s The New Club Deck
Scottish football needs stronger winds…
Tic 6709 says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Experiments that have taken place at the Institute of Noe(tic) Sciences (IONS) and the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) have categorically proven that Human thought,if properly focused,had the ability to affect and Change physical mass.
Looks like we’re winning.
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You changing your name to SteerTic?
Scottish football needs a strong Arbroath.
Already I am more than fed up with our ‘professional’ analysts predicting a one horse league. (Chief bore of course C. Young). If they are so under enthused why can’t they resign and let some commentator try to talk up the excitement?
Or could they at least spent some of their time criticizing the deal to let the Old Firm (as was) prostitute themselves on the side for easy money in the season? If the problem with Scottish football has been lack of competition why manipulate the rules to give the wealthy more? You would think Scottish Football existed for their benefit and the other teams are just ballast.
Tic 6709 says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm
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Thanks Tic.
I asked a genuine question, I’m genuinely not sure of that is an answer or not?
Too often on this blog credence is given to stories that, at that point in time, have no basis is fact, they are posted and followed up as if it is fact, because that are what people would like to hear.
I have no problem with the seeking out of facts and the analytical examination of finances, most exclusively to The Rangers, it must be said, but I welcome it – as a Rangers fan, I must admit that I get more of the news about my club from here than many of the Rangers dedicated websites.
But if I was to post some story I’d heard about another Glasgow team (or, indeed, any team) without any basis in fact, on this site, because I’d heard it from someone, I would be branded as “a friend of Jack” or worse, a troll.
I’m only asking for a contributor to post the evidence that there is an X£million asbestos problem at Ibrox that needs dealt with at this point in time.
As I posted earlier I am not saying it doesn’t exist – it might well do, as the stadium is not in what one might call immaculate condition – but I have seen many posts over the time on this blog that seems to treat this as fact.
Much like the safety certificate issue.
I’ll leave the other (very) occasional Rangers fans who visit here, to argue the facts and figures re finance – because, as far as I can see, things are not good. In the slightest. Regardless of any emergency maintenance required at the stadium.
ekt1m says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
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Mirrenman says @ 7.32pm. There’s nothing like getting the facts correct, is there? ALL SPL clubs were offered the opportunity to postpone a league match. Celtic chose to do so. St.mirren chose not to.
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exactly ekt1m, exactly.
The Glen, I was having a wee bit of fun.
But regarding the asbestos,it is a very dangerous substance,as we all know.If there is a problem the sooner it is taken care of the better.I would have thought the general maintenance of a stadium the size of Ibrox would be very expensive,and it is not going to get less expensive with time.
Nobody seems to want to repair it, a few posters who have seen the stadium say it’s looking very shabby.
The removal and disposal of asbestos is quite a lengthy process,it could mean closing parts of the ground,which in turn means less income,and that’s the last thing you need.
Until evidence is produced to prove the extent of the problem then it’s just like Bigfoot.
Pleasantries over,back to a war footing.
ekt1m says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
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Mirrenman says @ 7.32pm. There’s nothing like getting the facts correct, is there? ALL SPL clubs were offered the opportunity to postpone a league match. Celtic chose to do so. St.mirren chose not to.
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Postponing games during the season so ‘clubs’ can pay friendlies is a joke imho
Very surprised the Dons didn’t try to arrange a multi squillion pound friendly against Barca though I must say
ekt1m says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
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Mirrenman says @ 7.32pm. There’s nothing like getting the facts correct, is there? ALL SPL clubs were offered the opportunity to postpone a league match. Celtic chose to do so. St.mirren chose not to.
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it’s a stupid, demeaning rule – the SPFL should abandon it immediately. Bloody nonsense
However, as Celtic chose to postpone a game, that left St mirren with a free day today. I guess they could have played a friendly and raised some cash
but could St Mirren then postpone a league game as well – meaning they could have 2 games postponed to play fund raising friendlies?
Tic 6709 says:
August 10, 2013 at 8:41 pm
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Thanks Tic – I didn’t take offense, btw.
Absolutely agree with your answer. If there is an issue, then it needs dealt with, sooner than later, for the safety of the people who frequent the place. Regardless of the cost. Assuming said cost can be met.
Indeed, back to the trenches.
We did play a glamour match on wednesday
Gretna FC (2008) 0-3 St Mirren 😉
Brenda, as you pointed out previously, Celtic playing against Liverpool angered Chic Young, so it can’t all be bad.
In future I would suggest the SPFL shouldn’t allow clubs to postpone a game.
FWIW I do think the site tends towards leaping on every rumour that denigrates Rangers and its prospects from Asbestosdome, to free ticket giveaways.
In reality these unproven rumours are largely irrelevant to the main thrusts of the argument, which are – specifically the scandalous failures of the SMSM to report truthfully to the people of Scotland and thereby create false and unrealistic expectations for the supporters of rangers who then react increasingly angrily and aggressively when truth does come calling at disastrous times, and the failure of the authorities in Scottish football to govern according to its rules and to create conditiond which allow conmen and spivs to asset strip its member clubs and deceive its admittedly gullible fanbase.
The net effect of hysterical overreaction to every negative rumour posted somewhere on t’internet about Rangers and to treat it as fact rather than as supposition – the supposed absence of a safety certificate “confirmed” by ST sales being down on the Rangers website is a prime example – is to make the blog appear “Rangers hating” and to reduce its credibility. The Glen is absolutely right to seek evidence for any claims made here on this blog.
PMc G gives us credible info- he is remarkably well informed . Paul in Scottish Law Thoughts gives us good analysis and Auldheid, Barcabhoy, Newtz, and many others deliver effectively using and seeking resources which have credibility.
Tic 6709 says:
August 10, 2013 at 8:41 pm
I may be wrong but as far as I’m aware there is no problem having asbestos as long as, and here is the nub, it is not disturbed. Once it is then it has to be dealt with particularly when it is exposed. When discovered the various authorities also need to be informed I believe and the exact position of the asbestos noted.
Now with 45,000 people jumping up and down every second week and the maintenance involved in the general upkeep of the stadium then this could prove problematic.
Now back to the question I asked earlier; who would like to install the fabled Wifi in Ibrox where every hole you drill could expose this dangerous substance not only to the atmosphere but your lungs.
Any takers?
paulsatim says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:48 pm
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Paul….the benefits of a guid Scots education fur ye…spellin’… grammar… an’ parsin’….
…shurely no translation is required…?
Did you never see/hear Stanley Baxter…complete with subtitles…?
iceman63 says:
August 10, 2013 at 9:23 pm
“The Glen is absolutely right to seek evidence for any claims made here on this blog.”
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except of course, our pet sevconian apologist and eternal optimist Steerpike, who can launch all the moonbeams he likes on a whim with no evidence, logic, reasoning to back him up.
Celtic are signing Messi next week and will post profits of £17B. They’ll also win the CL this year – just because they didn’t do it last year, doesn’t mean it won’t happen this year.
mirrenman @ 9:09pm
😉
mirrenman says:
August 10, 2013 at 9:09 pm
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We did play a glamour match on wednesday
Gretna FC (2008) 0-3 St Mirren
Brenda, as you pointed out previously, Celtic playing against
Liverpool angered Chic Young, so it can’t all be bad.
In future I would suggest the SPFL shouldn’t allow clubs to
postpone a game.
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I agree, but it would require a change (or disregarding) of the rules and, as we know only too well, that just doesn’t happen here in Scotland. 😯
Brenda says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Lord Wobbly says:
August 10, 2013 at 8:00 pm
essexbeancounter says:
August 10, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Joined up writing, evolution at work. Still a good bit to evolve right enough!
sunday herald @newsundayherald 7m
Tomorrow’s splash in the Sunday Herald – Rangers running on empty: fresh fears for club finances as manager McCoist offers to take a pay cut
paulsatim @ 10:09pm
Genuine question are they paying their ‘trialists’ just now or do they go onto the payroll on sep 1st?
Brenda says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Really dont know, Brenda. Maybe they’re drawing dole till then!!
Paulsatim
The payments to McCoist and co have been highlighted over the past few days, so not surprised at pay cuts being volunteered.
PR or Deja vu and how did that end last time?
Rabo Karabekian says:
August 10, 2013 at 6:11 pm
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Thought provoking stuff Rabo, thanks for posting.
Brenda says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:16 pm
paulsatim @ 10:09pm
Genuine question are they paying their ‘trialists’ just now or do they go onto the payroll on sep 1st?
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These guys are trialists so clearly can’t be getting paid like other salaried/contracted personnel. TRFC would have to register their contracts with the SFA if they were getting paid. They’re not going to fail to do that are they? They wouldn’t want to subvert the authorities in any way. A ban is a ban. They would only do things in good faith….
Shirley….
Scottish football needs a strong SFA.
rantinrobin says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm
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Celtic youth team managed to beat Liverpool first team clearly looking to win.Football Armageddon ?
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In case we forget I thought I’d post up the SFA statement from last year to which I believe you are referring…
http://youtu.be/PhsvmY3Q9cY
This is the SFA statement, right?
redlichtie says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Scottish football needs a strong SFA.
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What defines a strong SFA? One club over all others or all clubs treated equally? We really should be told.
redlichtie says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I’m sure I heard Fraser Wishart say they were on a pre-contract contract as non playing employees and would change to a playing contract on 1 Sep.
redlichtie says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm
The trialists may not be getting paid as per a contract but what are the chances that they will each receive a ‘signing on fee’ equivalent to seven or eight weeks pay at the normal rate.
This will be more money out of the pot and so there is less left for all of the other snouts in the trough.
Auldheid says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:28 pm
More like Deja Blu!
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 10, 2013 at 9:31 pm
” Celtic are signing Messi next week and will post profits of £17B.”
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I knew my idea would be adopted, two fish suppers and he’s ours!! 🙂
So on 1st sept they’ll be even more skinter 😀 time for another ‘charity match’ ???
Another question …… Will they manage to get Green out??
From Phil on twitter
http://twitpic.com/d7ku3n
😆 😆
Been reading posts the past hour, interesting and good stuff on here today.
Glen I agree with you I’d like to see some hard evidence on the stadium repair situation.
Charity match
Sevco vs Old Rangers select.
briggsbhoy says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:01 pm
…or even crumbling, rusting evidence?
Andrew Dickson @rfc_dickson 2h
Here’s a question: does anyone know anyone who has ever made £250 from sending a video to You’ve Been Framed?
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Celtic Underground @celticrumours 2h
@rfc_dickson jeez oh finances aren’t that bad in your work are they?
As far as I am aware there is an arrangement in place where SPL, now SPFL Premiership clubs can play one friendly match after the season has started, and their league fixture can be postponed to accommodate this.
The important point is that, as I understand it, this arrangement is for everyone and it is a matter for each club whether they use the facility or not. All teams are treated equally in this.
What problem does anyone have with that. The particular game which seems to be causing the issue has been arranged for quite some time. There is no way it could not be and have the two teams there, with the stadium available and the fans having time to make their own arrangements.
Rabble rousing and deflection, using something people have know about for weeks or months. That is all this is.
Scotland needs an SFA as we have not got one. At the moment we have a Sevco Football Association
Paulsatim @ 11.03pm
Even the Forth Rail bridge has rust but it’s where it is that counts on the severity. I’m thinking that surely to insure the building there must be a building inspection of sorts to at least cover for public liability and there has to be a seperate inspection for safety by the Council. Can one get a copy of this ?
rantinrobin says:
August 10, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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Thanks, RR – noted
The Glen, I agree with you re Ibrox – there is not one scintilla of evidence provided by anyone that there is so much as a scrap of asbestos at Ibrox and I doubt there would be. The 3 newer stands were all built after asbestos had been outlawed by building regulations and subsequent to those additions, the main stand was substantially revamped, including a new roof, when the Company Deck was added.
mirrenman, stop squealing. League matches are postponed all through the season for all manner of spurious reasons – friendly internationals, competitive internationals, Christmas shopping, referees strikes, possible cold weather (the January break), Skysports / BT TV scheduling, Scottish cup replays taking precedence, European matches etc.
Take care of your own business – what Celtic do is none of your concern except when they play your team.
Buddy can you spare a whine?
Paulasatim, I have never known anyone to get a £250 for YBF. I keep meaning to email them something so if I ever get round to it I’ll let you know
Let us imagine a SPL without Rangers.
A one horse race where the player wages of Celtic is almost equivalent to the rest of the SPL combined,
a business that breaks even in its domestic market.
The paltry Sky figure will shrink to a polite tip without the OF as a double act reducing Celtics income.
Sponsors and advertisers expect a high level of TV coverage, they will expect big discounts, reducing Celtic’s income.
The importance of having to win every match to win the title will vanish, as will apathetic fans, ticket revenue and retail income will reduce.
Celtic’s break even business model is faced with vastly reduced income and cuts wages, affordable teams chances of CL money becomes rarer and rarer, as interest in a one horse race dissolves, nobody outside of Scotland is interested enough to pay to watch it.
Declining interest is draining the income of Celtic every year, and unlike their opposition their turnover has a very high break even point, like Rangers they have very large fixed overheads, they cannot downsize beyond a certain turnover. Celtic closes training facility and plays to crowds of 25,000.
The SPL is now the same standard as the Irish League.
Our next door neighbor get 1 billion per year for its football, we get 16 million, even if this does not shrink to pennies without Rangers, it is dwarfed by our nearest competitor for talent. The best talent in Scotland from the age of 16 will be elsewhere and we will be like the Irish league, the best SPL players will be in the English Championship and the average player will be in English Division 1., they will get treble wages.
There are no successful leagues involving a one horse race, it is the antithesis of competition, the resulting no contest would cripple Celtic and Scottish football.
Didnt Brian Stockbridge get something for his “home video”
slimshady61 says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Buddy can you spare a whine?
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It’s Buddie, thanks
briggsbhoy says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Well, unfortunately they do have previous for not taking safety recommendations.
BTW, what;s YBF?
BB, just googled and realised it was You’ve Been Framed!
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=YBF&oq=YBF&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j5j0l2j69i62.3732j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Steerpike says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Let us imagine a SPL without Rangers.
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We don’t have to imagine. They’re not in it right now and it is much better fun than the picture you paint.
On the other hand, we could just imagine them cheating their way to another 54 titles, safe in the knowledge that we wouldn’t be like the Irish league, just emulating the Nigerian one;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23412227
StevenD @stevendoyle75 2m
pic.twitter.com/ukdz0tqwFC showdown at ibrox
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mirrenman says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:31 pm
slimshady61 says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Buddy can you spare a whine?
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It’s Buddie, thanks
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Quite agree mirrenman,
slimshady61, you should apologise to all St Mirren Supporters. In fact, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Question : Why should a Friendly Match, no matter who between, take precedence over a pre-arranged SPL (or SPFL) league game ?
This is the thing I can’t quite grasp !
As a non-OF supporter, I’ve read over the last few years (on this site & RTC) as to why the SFA/ SPL/ SFL are not fit for Business. They have all been slated one way or another over their decisions.
Yet, when CFC want to play a Friendly in Dublin ?
Not a problem ! We’ll just postpone that weeks Game.
“Sorry St Mirren, We’ve a more attractive game in Dublin against Liverpool. Crowd will be 4 times as much, so we’ll be 4 X richer. No offence, but we’ll catch up with you later in the Season”
Sorry Guy’s, but when did “Friendlies” take precedent over League Games ?
Scotland has 3 “Serious” Cups to play for. The Premier League (or whatever it’s called now), The League Cup (Well done the Current Holders) and The Scottish Cup.
Serious question ! What makes CFC different from normal SPL/ SPFL Rules ?
(I bet I get banned after this ?)
@Steerpike 11.28
“Let us imagine a SPL without Rangers”
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We don’t need to imagine it, it is already a reality (SPFL Premiership nowadays of course).
The rest of your hypothesis is indeed imaginative.
Scottish football does not need Rangers, only the Scottish MSM and Rangers fans need Rangers. Everybody else in the top division is managing quite nicely without them.