Not in Front of the Children

ByTrisidium

Not in Front of the Children

The outbreak of internecine warfare at RIFC is being acted out through a real pea-soup fog right now. The war is being fought on so many fronts that it is difficult to see just exactly how many armies are involved, and how the alliances are shaping up.

Craig Mather would appear to be in the Charles Green camp, but it is difficult to imagine that he would be happy to hear old blunderbuss-mouth peppering Ally McCoist with shot. McCoist’s in-character but inelegant riposte, whilst a valiant attempt at deflection and self-preservation, put his mentor and chairman, Walter Smith in a rather awkward position. It gives Mather a double headache as he tries to head off Clyde Blowers boss Jim McColl – and his blowhard ally Paul Murray – at the EGM-pass.

If Mather stands by Green, and Smith does the same for McCoist, then the two main officers of the company will be in opposite, and hostile, camps.

As I say, making sense of it is difficult, but one thing is as clear as an empty window frame: the acrimony, which has been in existence for months, is only now being aired in public because the season ticket drive is over. The one policy that the warring factions have been in agreement with is “Not in Front of the Children”.

Now that the fans have been compelled to buy season tickets in substantial numbers through a mixture of fear, loyalty and a never-ending stream of press spin telling them that “Rangers are on the cusp of greatness if only the supporters cough up”, it seems acceptable that the real war can begin – but what is the prize?

There can be little doubt that all of the factions are aware that a conservative business model is necessary if Rangers are to establish themselves in Scottish football – certainly a more conservative one than that followed by RFC (IL). I infer therefore that the war is not over a Murray vs McCann approach. My best guess is that the war is one of ideals – between one faction which aims to make as much money in the short term as possible, and another which, whilst not averse to a bit of nest-feathering, sees the health of the club and the notion of a continuity Rangers as paramount.

The trouble for Rangers fans is that it is the former faction which holds all the cards – all the shares in fact. I think that all fans of the game of football would hope that people with football at heart would win out here, irrespective of what their partisan loyalties dictate on a day to day basis.

The problem for either warring faction is that the loyalty of the Rangers fans is finite. The “long road (back)” to the top is one which might engage them for while. It is a great journey which is not without its rewards and adventure, but expectations will be massive if and when they get to the top league. When the acceleration of progress meets the buffers of premier championship aspiration, gate money will be in the front passenger seat.  Managing unrealistic expectations is extremely difficult, and evidenced by the use of McCoist’s recruitment sledgehammer to crack the nut of the bottom two divisions.

But here are some questions to which I honestly do not know the answer;

  • How does the Rangersness faction wrest control away from these spivs?
  • How will the spivs attempt to ensure that the Rangersness faction fails in their objective?
  • Can the people in the Rangersness camp REALLY be trusted to act in the best interests of the club even if it is at odds with their own? This, given the close association with the terminal decline of the club they all profess to love.
  • Is there any realistic scenario which allows this club to prosper and challenge for honours within a ten to fifteen year period?

My belief is that the key to the new club being able to establish itself is managing the expectations of the fans. Despite the MSM willingness to cut and paste RFC and RIFC press releases unadulterated, the ability of that same MSM to impress a message of realism into Rangers fans is zero. Not in front of the children in fact.

Is it really a sociological bridge too far to expect Rangers fans to turn down the expectation-ometer? I don’t believe it is. In the eighties, if I recall correctly, a seriously underachieving Rangers team were not met with demands for big spending. There was pressure on them to get better managers who could pick better players, but no demands for Fort Knox to be breached.  If Rangers fans really want a club called Rangers playing in blue at Ibrox, and competing fully in the game, they need to find leaders who can sell the long-termism of such an aspiration. Many will hope, including the spivs and the MSM, that no such leader emerges.

 

About the author

Trisidium administrator

Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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scottcPosted on7:19 pm - Aug 13, 2013


timtim says:
August 13, 2013 at 6:43 pm
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Carfins Finest. says:
August 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm

WHAT CAN CONCERNED SEVCONIANS ACTUALLY DO to save “their” Club/Company?
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clear history
delete cookies
remove cache

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The cash has already been removed timtim

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Danish PastryPosted on7:21 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Sam says:
August 13, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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Danish Pastry says:
August 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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Ahmad
Read how he writes.
The name spelt wrong is the biggest tell.
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So based on that, a long-term poster becomes a troll? You’re not being serious.

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Lord WobblyPosted on7:25 pm - Aug 13, 2013


‘The Diamonds face Rangers for the first time on Friday, August 23’

😀

http://www.airdriefc.com/news/2013/08/managersview2.html

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Flocculent ApoideaPosted on7:50 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Rangers FC

FOUR young men shared a dream – to start a football club. They had no money, no kit – not even a ball. Despite this, Stewart Regan at the SFA gave them a conditional membership and, soon after, full membership on the basis of their sound financial footing.

I made some of that up but not much.

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valentinesclownPosted on7:52 pm - Aug 13, 2013


I stopped buying any Red Top papers in Scotland (since I was 7) as printing propaganda for one club was so blatantly obvious and printed without fear and many favours so to speak made me sick.
I had a quick look today more out of curiosity while I was out and to see if maybe I was slightly paranoid. In the DR low and behold there was a 2 page spread about Imran and the £3.4 million threat to the Govan club, I for one moment thought my faith in SMSM journalism was on the way back. However on the same page in just one column was a story about Anthony Stokes assaulting an Elvis impersonator ( Anthony released without any charges).
Back to suspicious minds again.
They cannot help themselves.

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Lord WobblyPosted on8:24 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Flocculent Apoidea says:
August 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm
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Rangers FC
FOUR young men shared a dream – to start a football club.
They had no money, no kit – not even a ball.
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“… and now they work for me. Ah? My name is Charlie.”

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StevieBCPosted on8:25 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Barcabhoy says:
August 13, 2013 at 2:48 am

From the BDO survey reported in the Scotsman

“…clubs have not been adversely affected by the loss of Rangers. Last year many observers, …felt that SPL clubs might experience a decline in income due to the loss of Rangers. However, this hasn’t happened over the last season.”
==========================

Well, since nobody else has mentioned the above, [unless I missed it]…
IMO, the above survey extract is highly significant.

Remember last year, when we where being bombarded with ‘for the good of Scottish football’ TRFC had to be in the SPL ?
IIRC, an Internet Bampot, [Stevensaph / Saint in Asia ?] produced a perfectly reasonable, detailed analysis by SPL club which forecast that the loss of TRFC could be absorbed.

Neither the SFA nor the SPL produced any analysis to back up their assumptions.
All we got from Regan was ‘social unrest’, and ‘armageddon’.
All we got from Doncaster/SPL where threats about the TV contract and bullying of SPL & SFL1 clubs to accept TRFC.

Now one year later, we have a credible, independent assessment from BDO.
IMO, this proves that the Bampots where talking sense at the time.
…and that both the CEO’s of the SFA and SPL where talking mince. 🙂

So, one would also think that both Regan and Doncaster made serious errors of judgement by fully backing one member club against a wave of protest from other member clubs and fans.

It also, IMO, reinforces a suspicion that neither Regan nor Doncaster really know their business, their market – nor their customers.
[IIRC Stevensaph also produced an illuminating comparison of TV deals across Europe, with Scottish football apparently being ‘undersold’].

In a ‘normal’ organisation, such a serious – and public – error of judgement from a CEO would be followed by swift removal, [I know 🙄 ]

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wottpiPosted on8:33 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Maybe not the best day to be away from the PC but lets see what tomorrow brings.

My main thoughts are once again we have all the bluster of alleged legal action in the pipeline but more than likely nothing will happen via the courts.

These guys want all the money for themselves and will go no-where near a lawyer because they will just end up feathering someone elses nest. Anyway they are smarter than all the pin striped lawyers put together- are they not – so why waste money on them!!

No they want a backroom Spiv type deal. You know, brown envelopes, transfers that can be hidden in some vague item in the accounts – all that kind of stuff. The kind of thing a Financial Director who doesn’t know if he is coming or going in terms of basic accountancy may sanction, ( or has been sanctioning).

A dream team of Hollywood screenwriters couldn’t have made this lark up.

Long may it continue, it is teriffic entertainment, albeit a distraction from me earning an honest crust.

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twopandaPosted on8:33 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Huge News Guys
Mrs twopanda – for any who don`t know – is an unreconstructed ex-bearette [with no saving graces] – & not to be messed with [I know] – has taken a real fresh dislike to that spiv circus
Being a god fearing chap – who wishes to remain a chap – I am lying very low
[We only stay together for the grandkids you understand 😉 ]
But, Her Indoors and her pals are on the warpath
Be afraid – be very afraid
Blimey

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on8:34 pm - Aug 13, 2013


I have just read that IA is suing Sevco for £3.4m and not only that CG is supporting his action 😕 😕
Is this true and if so ,does this mean that Sevco have just newly appointed a consultant and one of the first things he does is endorse a £3.4m lawsuit against the company 😯 😯 .
I ain’t no spiv but ,you really do have to hand it to CG he is getting paid by Sevco to help his wee friend sue them .
That’s class

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Lord WobblyPosted on8:39 pm - Aug 13, 2013


StevieBC says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm
0 0 Rate This
Barcabhoy says:
August 13, 2013 at 2:48 am
From the BDO survey reported in the Scotsman
“…clubs have not been adversely affected by the loss of
Rangers. Last year many observers, …felt that SPL clubs might
experience a decline in income due to the loss of Rangers.
However, this hasn’t happened over the last season.”
==========================
Well, since nobody else has mentioned the above, [unless I
missed it]…
IMO, the above survey extract is highly significant.
Remember last year, when we where being bombarded with
‘for the good of Scottish football’ TRFC had to be in the SPL ?
IIRC, an Internet Bampot, [Stevensaph / Saint in Asia ?]
produced a perfectly reasonable, detailed analysis by SPL club
which forecast that the loss of TRFC could be absorbed.
Neither the SFA nor the SPL produced any analysis to back up
their assumptions.
All we got from Regan was ‘social unrest’, and ‘armageddon’.
All we got from Doncaster/SPL where threats about the TV
contract and bullying of SPL & SFL1 clubs to accept TRFC.
Now one year later, we have a credible, independent
assessment from BDO.
IMO, this proves that the Bampots where talking sense at the
time.
…and that both the CEO’s of the SFA and SPL where talking
mince.
So, one would also think that both Regan and Doncaster made
serious errors of judgement by fully backing one member club
against a wave of protest from other member clubs and fans.
It also, IMO, reinforces a suspicion that neither Regan nor
Doncaster really know their business, their market – nor their
customers.
[IIRC Stevensaph also produced an illuminating comparison of
TV deals across Europe, with Scottish football apparently being
‘undersold’].
In a ‘normal’ organisation, such a serious – and public – error
of judgement from a CEO would be followed by swift removal,
[I know]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Perhaps our Saintly friend in Asia should negotiate a bonus based on his financial accounting performance? 😉

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Bill1903Posted on8:58 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Scotland under 21’s currently getting pumped 6-0 by England 😳

I wonder if megabus goes to Mars tomorrow,I need to get away 😥

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tobyPosted on8:59 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Over the last couple of days when I’ve read anything Rangerness, the expression ‘ Pop will eat itself ‘ has routinely popped into my head. Going on Mr Ahmad’s developments today, Pop has got nothing on Rangers.
Rangers men and Rangers fans alike can now do nothing as the guys in the driving seat, soaking up hundreds of thousands as millions ebb away and there’s nothing they can do about it now the ST money is in the kitty. The startling notion that because he’s doing the arranging of the deals with commercial sponsors he cuts himself a 5% cut is a clear indication of the damage Green & his cronies are perpetuating on the club from the inside. This is who Duff n Phelps sold the jerseys to. This is who the SFA have sanctioned as the new club owners. Cant think of anyone who could say it better than Nelson Muntz from the Simpsons..’Ha Ha’

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mrgreenwhytebrownPosted on9:08 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Bill McMurdo ‏@williammcmurdo 26m
Up soon on the blog: Imran’s Deals – The List

Pop Corn

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on9:09 pm - Aug 13, 2013


From Phil.
Shocking if true!

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/probe-now-underway-into-sfl-payments-to-longmuir/

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StevieBCPosted on9:14 pm - Aug 13, 2013


mrgreenwhytebrown says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:08 pm

Bill McMurdo ‏@williammcmurdo 26m
Up soon on the blog: Imran’s Deals – The List

Pop Corn
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Welcome back mrgreenwhytebrown.

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BayviewGoldPosted on9:18 pm - Aug 13, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:09 pm
From Phil.
Shocking if true!

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bad and underhanded yes, sadly: shocking – no 😡

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Lord WobblyPosted on9:22 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Phil MacGiollaBhain @Pmacgiollabhain 1h
“The Diamonds face Rangers for the first time on Friday,
August 23, “.airdriefc.com/news/2013/08/m… Correct Jimmy.
#NewCoNewClub
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You’re welcome Phil 😀

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on9:22 pm - Aug 13, 2013


@torrejohnbhoy You doubt my story? My sources are excellent.

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BarcabhoyPosted on9:23 pm - Aug 13, 2013


There has been much debate on here with regards to the viability of Rangers as a business. Thanks to a combination of the interim results and the Budget forecasts for 2012-13 ( courtesy of CF) we can take a reasonable stab at how it might look.

I don’t propose to publish a spreadsheet, as Auldheid has already put considerable effort into doing so, merely to outline the headline expectations. Costs are critical, as revenues will be severely restricted whilst Rangers play in the lower divisions without European Football, so lets look at these first.

The non wages costs can be split into 3 areas.

1) Direct and Non Match day costs which were forecast to be £2.04 million . These consisted of direct payroll, event costs, commissions and medical expenses, as well as a substantial “other costs”

2) Match day costs which were forecast to be £3.31 million. These consisted of Police, Stewards , Ambulance, Cleaning and catering, amongst others.

3) Administration and utility costs which were forecast to be £6.80 million. These consisted of rates, gas and electricity, legal, audit and professional fees as well as the everyday costs associated with running any business.

The total cost before any employee gets paid is £12.12 million. These costs are essential in keeping the stadium and training ground open. They additionally only relate to League matches, there would be an increase if we were to include any friendly or cup games. Savings could be made, however I doubt they would amount to more than £1.5 million a year

To put this in perspective , the equivalent figure for Celtic is £10 million, and that includes the cost of European games. It is also for a much bigger stadium and a much more modern training complex. Celtic are also very efficiently run, with a very experienced executive board.

When we look at the Rangers interims, the operating expenses for 7 months were £15.7 million. This included wages , but does not include the one off non recurring costs such as acquisition expenses and old rangers football debtors

It is reasonable to annualise this, as the non recurring items are excluded. This amounts to £26.93 million. At this point we need to reverse engineer a little. There was significant misinformation put out that the initial loss in the interims was due mostly to incurring wages of players like Davis, Naysmith and Mcgregor, before they found other clubs. This was a drum banged by Derek Johnstone and of course, like most of his stuff is blinkered, propagandist nonsense.

If any of these guys had taken wages from Newco, as opposed to Duff and Phelps administered oldco, then they would be deemed Newco employees. They didn’t and they never have been. The only significant wages to be incurred would be for Edu, Goian and Bocanegra and only for 2 months. Assuming they were all getting £1 million a year, the 2 month cost would be £600,000 inc NI in total . Taking this out of ongoing costs would reduce the effective figure for 7 months to £15.112 million, and the annualised operating cost to £25.9 million

So £26 million seems as good a number as any to use as the annual cost of running the current Rangers for 12 months, although I suspect there will be a 13 month year , ending June 30th. this will take the number to £28 million. However in 2012-13 the cost of bonus for winning the League, and for paying of Green. It is not unreasonable to assume therefore that the cost will be around £30 million for the first years accounts, and £28 million ongoing

Revenue Forecast

The forecasts provided by CF are less relevant as far as income is concerned. There was no Euro, hugely reduced season books income, much less prize money and much reduced sponsorship. Therefore at this stage we can only go with what the interims provided.

The income was £9.5 million, with season book and sponsorship income only allocated to games which had actually taken place, and other income on as billed basis. This works out as follows

8 League games played at Ibrox up to 31/12/2012 with 10 games to be played after 31/12. The cup competitions showed 7 home games before 31/12 and none after. Rangers would get 60% of the gate, so this equates to another 4 games. They would also get 40% of 3 away cup games pre 31/12 and 1 away game post 31/12

The total gate receipts and hospitality amounted to £6.4 million for the interim 7 months. This equates to £427,000 per home match. Therefore its not unreasonable to expect a figure of £4.3 million in gate and hospitality for the second half. If all other revenue streams were pro rata, then 2nd half income may well be around £6.4 million. Making a total for the 13 months of £15.9 million

On this calculation the loss may be as high as £14 million, however they may have reduced some costs in the 2nd half, and i’m not sure where the £800,000 compensation from Southampton went. It could have been Oldco, or it coukd be in the interims(unlikely) , or appear in the full year.

Any way you look at it, he circle is not being squared. The payroll , it is claimed , is now £8 million. That would still require an increase in income , over current levels, of more than £4 million. And all of this is before the amortisation of player registrations of £800,000 every 6 months, mostly because of the value they placed on the players who Tupe’d over.

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Paulmac2Posted on9:24 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Lord Wobbly says:
August 13, 2013 at 7:15 pm
……………………………………………..

A 5 year contract…for 650k wow just wow

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StevieBCPosted on9:27 pm - Aug 13, 2013


torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:09 pm

From Phil.
Shocking if true!

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/probe-now-underway-into-sfl-payments-to-longmuir/
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That’s a good one !

However, off the top of my head, the issue here – if the allegations are true – could be more to do with insufficient corporate governance / poor internal controls.
Proving anything else beyond that could still be difficult, [i.e. in the absence of any bank account transfer trail].

I’ll stick my neck out again: this one is not going anywhere near a court – or I’ll eat my sun hat. 😉

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Lord WobblyPosted on9:28 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Paulmac2 says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:24 pm
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Lord Wobbly says:
August 13, 2013 at 7:15 pm
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A 5 year contract…for 650k wow just wow
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To be fair, that one WAS Phil’s 😉

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PhilMacGiollaBhainPosted on9:28 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Thank you my lord you’re a diamond. 😀

Getting my coat 😳

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helpmaboabPosted on9:30 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Stevie BC @8:25
Regan and Doncaster were being fed the ‘Armageddon’ line by the ‘in with the bricks’ suits who from time immemorial have held sway at Hampen.The Brothers are now on a sticky wicket as more and more is revealed.( excuse the idioms but not the idiots)

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Paulmac2Posted on9:35 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Barcabhoy says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:23 pm
…………………………………….

This goes some way to explaining why Charlie was so desperate to rush through the share flotation…

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on9:41 pm - Aug 13, 2013


PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:22 pm
@torrejohnbhoy You doubt my story? My sources are excellent.
================================================
Phil,
I don’t doubt you at all.

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paulsatimPosted on9:48 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Phil MacGiollaBhain ‏@Pmacgiollabhain 45m
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/probe-now-underway-into-sfl-payments-to-longmuir/#more-3942

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 1m
@Pmacgiollabhain

Comedy timing – he’s about to be appointed Commercial Director at RIFC, Why have the SFPL raised concerns about this?

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torrejohnbhoyPosted on9:51 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Phil MacGiollaBhain ‏@Pmacgiollabhain 46m

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/probe-now-underway-into-sfl-payments-to-longmuir/#more-3942

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 2m

@Pmacgiollabhain Comedy timing – he’s about to be appointed Commercial Director at RIFC, Why have the SFPL raised concerns about this?

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Tif FinnPosted on9:52 pm - Aug 13, 2013


PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:22 pm

Wow, Just Wow.

As they used to say back in the day.

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justshateredPosted on10:05 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Phil since your looking in what happened to the information on the C4 story and that you also seemed to be privy to?
Is it still being worked on?
You’d better get the story out there soon or there won’t be anything left to write about!!

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Not The Huddle MalcontentPosted on10:11 pm - Aug 13, 2013


where is the story about longmuir becoming sevco commercial director coming from?

that would be too funny if true!

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paulsatimPosted on10:12 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 4m
Are shareholders of RIFC aware that the Pinsent Masons Investigation moved into another phase involving many payments authorised by Charles?

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StevieBCPosted on10:17 pm - Aug 13, 2013


paulsatim says:
August 13, 2013 at 9:48 pm

Phil MacGiollaBhain ‏@Pmacgiollabhain 45m
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/probe-now-underway-into-sfl-payments-to-longmuir/#more-3942

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 1m
@Pmacgiollabhain

Comedy timing – he’s about to be appointed Commercial Director at RIFC, Why have the SFPL raised concerns about this?
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Someone got personal scores to settle with Longmuir…or even with TRFC ?
Getting confused again with all this new info…pass the popcorn… 🙄

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essexbeancounterPosted on10:22 pm - Aug 13, 2013


wottpi says:

August 13, 2013 at 8:33 pm

No they want a backroom Spiv type deal. You know, brown envelopes, transfers that can be hidden in some vague item in the accounts – all that kind of stuff. The kind of thing a Financial Director who doesn’t know if he is coming or going in terms of basic accountancy may sanction, ( or has been sanctioning).
A dream team of Hollywood screenwriters couldn’t have made this lark up.
Long may it continue, it is teriffic entertainment, albeit a distraction from me earning an honest crust.
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Wottpi…may I respectfully refer you to my earlier post where I indicated that the Financial Director knows exactly where every brass farthing (sic) has come from and will be going…?
He is, as I said, playing an absolute “blinder”, following the script written by Mr Green, and others, to the letter.

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paulsatimPosted on10:25 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Phil MacGiollaBhain ‏@Pmacgiollabhain 1m
Sources say there is something close to panic on Hampden 6th Floor that Longmuir bonus story has broken.
Not all journnalists in tent Neil

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paulsatimPosted on10:37 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 1m
@Pmacgiollabhain Here’s another email with the SPFL raising concerns about the Longmuir appointment.

http://i.imgur.com/NibrsVa.jpg

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wottpiPosted on10:43 pm - Aug 13, 2013


essexbeancounter says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:22 pm

My comments re Mr Stockbridge are made with tongue fully in cheek, other than those relating to his recent performances which publicly show he is a disgrace to the accountancy profession -not for being incompetent but because he knows full well what he is up to.

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Davie BPosted on10:44 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Lord Wobbly says:

August 13, 2013 at 7:15 pm

And now the end is near –
Why would anyone enter into long term, high value contracts? The last throw of the dice from the spivs – load up the creditors for when you are in admin, one last bite of the cash from the new saviours, via a claim in the admin – a % in the £ for your claim, would not be surprised if the IA claim is on the same basis and that other claims materialise soon. Payoffs to “friends” when the contracts are broken.

The question now is what is the timescale and personally I think it is quite soon – these guys are too savvy to get caught up in wrongful trading etc and take the risk of HMRC pursuing them personally

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Tif FinnPosted on10:44 pm - Aug 13, 2013


It seems the Rangers fan groups are revolting.

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“The Rangers Supporters Association, Assembly and Trust have called for Craig Mather and the other Rangers FC directors to take strong action against Charles Green at the next Board meeting.

Mather promised a meeting of 200 fans at Ibrox last week that a Board meeting would be convened to discuss Charles Green’s behaviour whilst a consultant to the club.

The three groups said in a statement – “Since last Thursday we’ve had Mr Green’s farcical challenge to TV debate with potential new directors and investors and the news that his colleague Imran Ahmad intends to sue the club for over £3million with Mr Green as a supporting witness. EIther one of these makes his position entirely untenable.”

“We call on Craig Mather and his fellow directors to act decisively and remove this continuing source of instability.”

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They do realise that it was this same board who brought him back* as a “consultant”. And it was the CEO who said he would have to hold a board meeting to get rid of the £250 / week consultant.

(* I realise he never actually went away)

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StevieBCPosted on10:44 pm - Aug 13, 2013


paulsatim says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 1m
@Pmacgiollabhain Here’s another email with the SPFL raising concerns about the Longmuir appointment.

http://i.imgur.com/NibrsVa.jpg
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Mather:
“…Gentlemen…have we actually offered him a job as I haven’t even had a meeting with him yet…”
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Mather getting his CEO on the job training then. 😯

And who might the ‘Gentlemen’ be ? The effective co-CEO’s ?

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BangordubPosted on10:46 pm - Aug 13, 2013


And just when I thought we might get a quiet night………
Absurdity upon incredible, nonsensical insanity.
I now have to order in more popcorn and hope the “Mrs” sleeps through the night
Is there no end to this?

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Tif FinnPosted on10:46 pm - Aug 13, 2013


paulsatim says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:37 pm

The CEO is asking a group of people “have we actually offered him a job”.

Mather is a joke.

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paulsatimPosted on10:47 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Bangordub says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:46 pm

depends how long Charlotte and Phil stay up!!

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paulsatimPosted on10:53 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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It seems the Rangers fan groups are revolting.

Havent they always been?

The Peepuls Front of Sevconia, The Sevconian Peepuls Front. The Sevconian Popular Peepuls Front

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BangordubPosted on10:58 pm - Aug 13, 2013


StevieBC says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:44 pm
The BIG Q here is surely who was this sent to?

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jean7brodiePosted on10:59 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:46 pm

The CEO is asking a group of people “have we actually offered him a job”.

Mather is a joke.
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“In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence.”

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paulsatimPosted on11:01 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Brian Garvie ‏@BrianGarvie 5h
@tommyinglasgow http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08011390/SEVCO-5088-LIMITED/company-summary … Craigy Bhoys at it again last month, scroll down, dates of appointment again, 3 current directors

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valentinesclownPosted on11:02 pm - Aug 13, 2013


This will need to stop I can only take so much. DL commercial director posn at Govan that is a bonus. Mather finger on the pulse, who does what at this club. SFA are run by a man from this background. Our football is in the hands of corrupt men and always has been and the majority of these people have origins in the watp club from Govan. We deserve better. They deserve what is coming to them.

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BangordubPosted on11:04 pm - Aug 13, 2013


valentinesclown says:
August 13, 2013 at 11:02 pm
“DL commercial director posn at Govan that is a bonus.”

No doubt a 100% bonus 😈

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redlichtiePosted on11:07 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Just how big is this trough?

It must be world record size by now…

Scottish football needs…..well, some sort of global pinch to confirm that this is all really happening.

Wow, just wow.

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on11:09 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Looks like CM made a serious blunder by declaring sevco had £10m in the bank .
A bit like the dinner lady at my old primary school shouting “who wants seconds” when caramel cake and custard was the dessert ,the poor woman was nearly trampled to death in the rush of weans only too willing to clear the lot .
Only in CMs case it’s spivs that are in the stampede

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redlichtiePosted on11:14 pm - Aug 13, 2013


paulsatim says:
August 13, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Brian Garvie ‏@BrianGarvie 5h
@tommyinglasgow http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08011390/SEVCO-5088-LIMITED/company-summary … Craigy Bhoys at it again last month, scroll down, dates of appointment again, 3 current directors
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http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08011390/SEVCO-5088-LIMITED/company-summary

Date Description
05/07/2013 New Board Member Mr A.C. Earley appointed
05/07/2013 New Board Member Mr C.T. Whyte appointed
19/04/2013 Change of Company Postcode
19/04/2013 Change in Reg.Office

But not showing at Companies House :
SOAS(A) 08/08/2013 VOLUNTARY STRIKE OFF SUSPENDED
SOAS(A) 03/05/2013 VOLUNTARY STRIKE OFF SUSPENDED
AD01 19/04/2013 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 19/04/2013 FROM, 35 VINE STREET, LONDON, EC3N 2AA, ENGLAND
http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcprodorder?ft=1

Scottish football needs a strong Arbroath.

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auchinstarryPosted on11:17 pm - Aug 13, 2013


This is like suddenly catching the smell of gas, at a bonfire, next to a Petrol station…..BOOM…..!!!
The scavengers are now in the process of eating each other, the carcuss has been stripped bare.

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ZilchPosted on11:18 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Mrs Zilch to me: How was your day dear? (or words to that effect)

Me to Mrs Zilch: Oh fine dear. Very quiet. Not much happening.

Now I am all for an honest relationship with Der Missuz, but I fear I may have been somewhat economical with the truth today…

Yes it was a quiet day work wise. But only because I couldn’t tear my eyes away from the SouthSide Soap Opera…

Opening Scene: Ibrox on an otherwise unremarkable Tuesday morning…

IA is suing (allegedly) TRFC for money owed (allegedly) for deals he has negotiated (allegedly) worth £67m (allegedly). AND CG, erstwhile CEO and current paid consultant to said club, is behind him all the way (allegedly). Wow.

Meanwhile… cut from Ibrox to Hampden Level 6…

There is panic on the good ship SFA (badly holed and listing dangerously to one side – see what I did there). Turns out that there has been a bout of internal spivery (allegedly) involving some of their own. Worse than that, the story has also leaked… gasp! Double Wow!

Back at Ibrox…

Mr Mather CEO (allegedly), moonlighting from his day job as Zippo the clown, is sending memos (allegedly) to his good buddies on Das Board asking if it is true that TRFC have already offered DL the commercial director post, which might not be great because (a) he hasn’t spoken to DL about the job yet and (b) seems like there might be some difficult PR in the pipeline if they bring on board yet another spiv (allegedly). Might be one spiv too many for the lifeboat when the TRFC boat finally goes under… Wow. Just Wow!

Yeah. not much busywork getting done by me today. Mibbee I should send TRFC the bill for another day wasted watching their soap opera. Better yet, mibbee I should threaten to sue them for it. Seems to me there are a lot of folk getting rich quick this way…

Finally, Mrs Zilch is getting all excited about the Scotland game tomorrow night – she is a true daughter of Alba and no amount of dross served up by successive underachieving national teams has managed to diminish her love for the lads in dark blue. Bring on the Auld Enemy an all that.

Hate to say it, but I couldn’t care less. Might not even watch it, though it will be Mrs Zilch in control of the remote tomorrow evening for sure. Never mind the Auld Enemy – we need to deal with the enemy on our doorstep, the ones running and ruining our game.

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on11:21 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Can anyone enlighten me as to why I still have the edit and request deletion options after my posts .
I feel I am being kicked when I am down and demand to know whose these peepil are, that are being anti FSTB 😆 😆

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paulsatimPosted on11:26 pm - Aug 13, 2013


redlichtie says:
August 13, 2013 at 11:14 pm

At bottom of list of directors is a certain Mr C A Green

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wottpiPosted on11:28 pm - Aug 13, 2013


fergusslayedtheblues says:
August 13, 2013 at 11:21 pm

I wouldn’t complian about the edit and delete feature, it is there to help us not make arses of ourselves.
My guess is that down Ibrox, Hampden and Excelsior ways there are people who wish they had such a facility tonight.

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slimshady61Posted on11:30 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Tif Finn says:
August 13, 2013 at 10:46 pm
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The best bit about it is that the CEO hasn’t even met him yet. No doubt sunny JL is looking for a healthy 6-figure sum – he doesn’t seem to deal in smaller multiples. Stockbridge has probably signed him up on a 5 year contract at £150K per annum plus same again as a bonus if he performs well in his role as commercial director whatever that entails…..

Meantime he’ll be phoning his lawyers – that will be Levy & McRae, it’s always L&M with these guys – asking them what the implications are of the SPFL meeting the other night.

What we don’t yet know is what Ballantyne’s role will be and what his contractual entitlement will amount to….. “Heigh, ho, bluenose……time to saddle up”

54 (for you), 55 (for me)……….

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on11:34 pm - Aug 13, 2013


wootpi
I was going to give you a TU for that but your post does not have the option .
How does it feel to be kicked when your down 😀 😀

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on11:37 pm - Aug 13, 2013


wootpi
you got that fixed quick ,you must clout on here 😆

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paulsatimPosted on11:39 pm - Aug 13, 2013


Peter Lawwell spotted in Iceland tonite

http://i41.tinypic.com/263x1kl.jpg

courtesy CM

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fergusslayedthebluesPosted on11:41 pm - Aug 13, 2013


If Longshanks gets the gig over at Ibrokes ,will it be for serviced rendered .
Heard someone did a lot to block the proposed league set up that did not fit in with Sevco’s plans ,can’t remember who though ,
I am sure it will come back to me
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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justshateredPosted on11:55 pm - Aug 13, 2013


So another architect of the five way agreement looks to be ‘The Rangers’ bound.
Was this post offered during negotiations last year?
The revolving door between Ibrox and Hampden seems to be fixed. No doubt the SFA President will follow shortly for the cost of a good night out.
Meanwhile Jim Traynor sits in the corner of his media (Wifi enabled) mega tower muttering ‘now they’re dead, now they’re not’. Such a bizarre turn of events, even in this tale, seems barely credible.

It’s all for the good of the game you know!!!
They really are such a shameless, spineless bunch of individuals.
They know they are above the laws of decency, and who knows, even of the land as well. That is why this charade has continued unabated now for almost twenty four months. No one will halt this tawdry affair, say enough is enough, and pull down the Tower of Indignity.
Each new day brings more tales of shame not only to Scottish football but to Corporate and Financial Standards that beggar belief.
These people are not only feeding off the carcass of our sport but they are, in broad daylight, gnawing away at corporate standards of our country and that simply should not be tolerated in the twenty first century.

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Matty RothPosted on11:55 pm - Aug 13, 2013


The revelations just keep on coming and still their seems no end to this omnishambles.

While the damage being done to the new club at Ibrox is much their own fault, I just despair at what these people are doing (and have done) to Scottish Football.

What’s more it seems they continue to do as they please unchecked and I really can see no end to the domination and diversion of our supposed national game by these people or other like minded types.

It’s like discovering the game you love isn’t just sick as you suspected but actually has a much more serious cancer.

As time goes on we find the cancer is more and more widely spread and indeed increasingly looks inoperable.

Not feeling optimistic about this in any way at the moment sorry. Quite the opposite in fact.

And apologies in advance to anyone suffering the pain and trauma of real cancer which I can only imagine.

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fergussingsthebluesPosted on12:00 am - Aug 14, 2013


I’ve seen some things over my lifetime, but the last 2 years down Govan way just take the biscuit.

For 2 whole years, this just has to be the greatest cover up ever in Scotland ? It’s all just mind boggling !

I don’t blame RFC Supporters in this at all. In fact, they have probably been the most gullable of all the victims ? They’ve been spun around with so much propaganda since Murray (The Knight of The Realm variety, not to be confused with all the other Non-Related Murrays circling around the carcass) declared that he was willing to sell his beloved Club.

Let’s face it, Sheep will always follow the orders of The Dog. One Dog (in a huge field, lets call it Ibrox) can always exert his influence. Have a pack of Dogs, let’s say 4 or 5, you can always herd around 34,000 into your field without any problem.

That’s a lot of meat to keep you going till the next year. Plus, once the sheep have been sheared, they’ll always need a new Strip for next year. The Sheep will buy it without question.

Unfortunately, It looks to me like too many Dogs have been hired over the last 2 years. With 4 or 5 Dogs, everything looked cosy, The Sheep were penned in nicely at the beginning, everything in The Field looking rosy. Now there are about 20 Dogs.

We all know what happens with Dogs ! They start fighting each other, and The Sheep look on and say “WTF ! Who’s my Boss ?”

There’s now a lot of Dogs and Sheep in a big field. In the words of Karen Dunbar ” I smell Sh5$£ !”

SFA, SPL (as was), new SPFL, SFL (as was), Scottish Judiciary, Scottish Parliament, SDM, SMSM, Mr Longmuir, Mr Doncaster, Mr Regan, especially Mr Ogilvie, Green, Whyte, Ahmad, McCoist, Smith (x2), King, etc, etc,etc,etc – You’re all up to your necks in it.

God help Scottish Football after the shenanigans over the last 2 years. All trust in the truth has been lost with these Muppetts in charge.

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SmugasPosted on12:11 am - Aug 14, 2013


You do have to ask, at what point would the membership suspended button be pushed? What more can possibly happen to raise doubts as to sustainability?

I have a lovely image of a malfunctioning detonator, a president el dictatore coming finally to his senses, staggering over to the plunger…..cut to a media prostitute with the last survivors, …”Its madness, pure madness”

Should make a film about it. Bridge over the River Kwyde.

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john clarkePosted on12:18 am - Aug 14, 2013


I think I am right in saying that, when any of us on this blog have used the ‘corruption’ word , we have used it in relation to the corruption involved in the readiness of the Footballing Authorities to break, bend and set at nought their own rules -whether for ideological or broadly ‘commercial reasons’ (‘ for the good of Scottish Football’).

I don’t think any of us actually thought that any individual on the SFA, SPL or SFL boards was actually at the madam in terms of illicit, illegal, personal, enrichment from ‘Football’ monies ( EBTs involved our monies as tax-payers rather than as football supporters, so they don’t count in this context)

The fact that there now appears to be the suggestion that two ‘senior’ figures in what was the SFL Administration were in sordid cahoots to enrich themselves from ‘company’ funds raises disturbing questions.

Not the least of which is : is that kind of personal financial corruption present among other influential personages in Scottish Football , as well as the other kind of corruption?

If the SFA / SPL /SFL boards did favours for old friends, or for the sake of a ’cause’, or because of a shared ideology, or out of fear, that would, as evil as it would be, be less repulsively evil than if they turned tricks for individual personal gain.

The Footballing Authorities may , like RIFC, be collectively donald ducked.

But If individual board members have accepted money for allowing that ducking to take place, or for actually pimping for it, Scottish Football has really had it.

The lights at their Hampden offices should be ( with apologies!) red lichties!

And we laughed and smiled and had good fun with our :slamb: eating churnalists.

But were/are any of them actually on the take?

We hadn’t even thought along those lines.

But now?

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TSFMPosted on12:25 am - Aug 14, 2013


Can we keep a bit of perspective with the Longmuir thing folks?

It is only an allegation that an allegation has been made so far. No facts, no corroboration, nothing other than a suggestion that someone might have asked a question at a meeting. Ditto the alleged job offer – only gossip with nothing else to suggest anything more concrete.

We like to wait for slightly more before we start to ink things in as facts.

Thanks

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ianagainPosted on12:30 am - Aug 14, 2013


TSFM is this because this seems to prove CF is “Hard wired”

paulsatim says:

August 13, 2013 at 10:37 pm

Charlotte Fakeovers ‏@CharlotteFakes 1m
@Pmacgiollabhain Here’s another email with the SPFL raising concerns about the Longmuir appointment.

http://i.imgur.com/NibrsVa.jpg

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timtimPosted on12:30 am - Aug 14, 2013


“Dealing with Charles Green is like negotiating with a chimp over a banana”
Keiron Prior
back page of tomorrows DR

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ianagainPosted on12:39 am - Aug 14, 2013


I don’t know if my previous post will make it but CF seems to have got very current all of a sudden. Maybe due to Craigies imminent need for cash?

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The GlenPosted on1:06 am - Aug 14, 2013


fergussingstheblues says:
August 14, 2013 at 12:00 am

I don’t blame RFC Supporters in this at all
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A very good point.

RFC supporters are like the supporters of any other football team. They buy their season tickets, as they have done for countless years, they go along and watch their team play on Saturday or, god forbid Sunday at 12:30, and they want to see their team win. They instinctively, trust in the people who run their club to do the best by their club. I suspect that to most it is a force of habit, Saturday match day is their day out with their fellow supporters, cheering on their team, and they want that to continue.

There is much derision of the “Daft Bears” and how they are losing their club right in front of their eyes (again) but I suspect that the vast majority of the support of any club would do likewise – buy their season books and rely on the guys in charge to do the best by them. Go to most clubs fan boards and I would imagine that they’re more concerned with who they are signing in order to beat their rival team, rather than the actions of the ruling body. I live and work in Edinburgh and the Hearts and Hibs season tickets holder I know care only about the survival/success of their own club. Nothing more than that.

The Celts for Change actually did change things for their team – I suspect the Rangers support will never do likewise.

That, to me, is a very sad state of affairs.

An on-line presence seems to suggest that there is still a WATP mentality, but I am sure that many Rangers fans are happy just to see a team in blue playing out of Ibrox.

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stevensanphPosted on3:36 am - Aug 14, 2013


“…clubs have not been adversely affected by the loss of Rangers. Last year many observers, …felt that SPL clubs might experience a decline in income due to the loss of Rangers. However, this hasn’t happened over the last season.”

StevieBC says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Remember last year, when we where being bombarded with ‘for the good of Scottish football’ TRFC had to be in the SPL ? IIRC, an Internet Bampot, [Stevensaph / Saint in Asia ?] produced a perfectly reasonable, detailed analysis by SPL club which forecast that the loss of TRFC could be absorbed.
It also, IMO, reinforces a suspicion that neither Regan nor Doncaster really know their business, their market – nor their customers.

[IIRC Stevensaph also produced an illuminating comparison of TV deals across Europe, with Scottish football apparently being ‘undersold’].

You do recall correctly and I’ve had a sly smile recently as pretty much everything the bampots said would happen have come true. The relevant articles are still here for those who didnt read them at the time:

http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/saints-without-rangers-a-question-of/
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-sfaspl-tv-myth-how-we-compare-to-europe/

Your right in saying it raises massive suspicions about the conduct of those at the top of the Scottish game. I however have no doubt that the rumors about Longmuir are only the beginning of what will eventually emerge from the 6th floor at Hampden. IMO this stopped being a Rangers tax case story long ago and the current shenanigans at Ibrox are merely a sideshow to the lack of governance in the Scottish game.

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StevieBCPosted on5:00 am - Aug 14, 2013


…and Kudos to you ‘stevensaNph’ – you did call it correctly last year.
Regardless of the bluster, lies and downright ignoring of Scottish football fans from the administrations – the Bampots cannot be easily fooled.

…and a few folks over here asked me if I would be watching the game against England. Without even thinking, each time I replied that I was simply not interested. Agreed, that my interest in the national team has waned perhaps in the last 10 years – but my disinterest has been exacerbated by the SFA’s handling of TRFC over the last couple of years.
That is also wrong – but can’t help it…

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