The outbreak of internecine warfare at RIFC is being acted out through a real pea-soup fog right now. The war is being fought on so many fronts that it is difficult to see just exactly how many armies are involved, and how the alliances are shaping up.
Craig Mather would appear to be in the Charles Green camp, but it is difficult to imagine that he would be happy to hear old blunderbuss-mouth peppering Ally McCoist with shot. McCoist’s in-character but inelegant riposte, whilst a valiant attempt at deflection and self-preservation, put his mentor and chairman, Walter Smith in a rather awkward position. It gives Mather a double headache as he tries to head off Clyde Blowers boss Jim McColl – and his blowhard ally Paul Murray – at the EGM-pass.
If Mather stands by Green, and Smith does the same for McCoist, then the two main officers of the company will be in opposite, and hostile, camps.
As I say, making sense of it is difficult, but one thing is as clear as an empty window frame: the acrimony, which has been in existence for months, is only now being aired in public because the season ticket drive is over. The one policy that the warring factions have been in agreement with is “Not in Front of the Children”.
Now that the fans have been compelled to buy season tickets in substantial numbers through a mixture of fear, loyalty and a never-ending stream of press spin telling them that “Rangers are on the cusp of greatness if only the supporters cough up”, it seems acceptable that the real war can begin – but what is the prize?
There can be little doubt that all of the factions are aware that a conservative business model is necessary if Rangers are to establish themselves in Scottish football – certainly a more conservative one than that followed by RFC (IL). I infer therefore that the war is not over a Murray vs McCann approach. My best guess is that the war is one of ideals – between one faction which aims to make as much money in the short term as possible, and another which, whilst not averse to a bit of nest-feathering, sees the health of the club and the notion of a continuity Rangers as paramount.
The trouble for Rangers fans is that it is the former faction which holds all the cards – all the shares in fact. I think that all fans of the game of football would hope that people with football at heart would win out here, irrespective of what their partisan loyalties dictate on a day to day basis.
The problem for either warring faction is that the loyalty of the Rangers fans is finite. The “long road (back)” to the top is one which might engage them for while. It is a great journey which is not without its rewards and adventure, but expectations will be massive if and when they get to the top league. When the acceleration of progress meets the buffers of premier championship aspiration, gate money will be in the front passenger seat. Managing unrealistic expectations is extremely difficult, and evidenced by the use of McCoist’s recruitment sledgehammer to crack the nut of the bottom two divisions.
But here are some questions to which I honestly do not know the answer;
- How does the Rangersness faction wrest control away from these spivs?
- How will the spivs attempt to ensure that the Rangersness faction fails in their objective?
- Can the people in the Rangersness camp REALLY be trusted to act in the best interests of the club even if it is at odds with their own? This, given the close association with the terminal decline of the club they all profess to love.
- Is there any realistic scenario which allows this club to prosper and challenge for honours within a ten to fifteen year period?
My belief is that the key to the new club being able to establish itself is managing the expectations of the fans. Despite the MSM willingness to cut and paste RFC and RIFC press releases unadulterated, the ability of that same MSM to impress a message of realism into Rangers fans is zero. Not in front of the children in fact.
Is it really a sociological bridge too far to expect Rangers fans to turn down the expectation-ometer? I don’t believe it is. In the eighties, if I recall correctly, a seriously underachieving Rangers team were not met with demands for big spending. There was pressure on them to get better managers who could pick better players, but no demands for Fort Knox to be breached. If Rangers fans really want a club called Rangers playing in blue at Ibrox, and competing fully in the game, they need to find leaders who can sell the long-termism of such an aspiration. Many will hope, including the spivs and the MSM, that no such leader emerges.
Who knows? So much obfuscation… Perhaps they didn’t want it to be known that they were “investing”. I don’t suppose anyone really knows what their intentions are, but when you read things like this…
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/laxey-partners-targets-distressed-property-in-vulture-fund-launch/a290518
…it does make you wonder.
Oh, and just noticed that Charles spelt ‘Executed’ wrong in ‘Executed as Deed’. Just an honest mistake, no doubt.
I just watched ‘A Shot at Glory’.Robert Duvall’s film about a second division team reaching the Scottish Cup Final only to be defeated by Rangers with a Brian Cox portrayal of an RFC manager ,surly and intransigent with no heart.
Actually it was quite good as football films go and McCoist plays the central role as an ex Celtic star joining the second division club.
The McCoist character at one point laments the bitter old firm rivalry wishing that it could only be different.In reality there is now no old firm rivalry which is something of a bonus.
Sadly it was only a film but yes we do wish real life could only be diffferent.In the case of the current Rangers crisis life does not imitate art,given the perceived degree of rabble rousing carried out by the club.
As to the real developments at Rangers ,there is so much flying about it is a matter of circumspection, but really like Duvall’s Scottish accent in the film,the current Rangers’ malaise involves the suspension of disbelief at a level unsurpassed.
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Tif Finn says: August 14, 2013 at 1:08 pm
jockybhoy says: August 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm
If you are talking abox Ibrox Stadium and Murray Park then surely they were bought from the administrators by Sevco (5088 or Scotland), which later changed to The Rangers FC Ltd. As far as I am aware they have not changed hands and are still owned by that entity, albeit that is wholly owned by RIFC PLC… I don’t think the IPO money had anything to do with the purchase of those assets”
Wasn’t it specfically mentioned as part of the prospectus that money raised would be used for the purchase of these two properties? Pretty much the one hard commitment made…
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/rangers-share-prospectus-sees-the-light-of-day-discussion-here-please/ , see ecojon’s first comment on that page.
Interestingly as ecojon comments there: “Rangers sealed the deal by paying an £80k deposit +VAT but certain legal conditions require to be met by 20 December to finally conclude the deal and release the £720K +VAT balance of the purchase price” yet Imran (can I call him Imran?) boast about paying £1.5m – £500k+ over the £960k the OldGers had agreed…
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Someone has objected to the striking off from Companies House of Rangers FC Group Ltd, formerly Wavetower http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/Company/DocumentExtract/55956444
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Probably wild speculation………….
Tartan Bartin @BartinMain 1h
Craigy is about to re-emerge. Next couple of weeks I’d say. He’s been manoeuvring in the shadows. #Wavetwoer #RangersFCGroup #Sevco5088
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@BartinMain Watching and waiting…. pic.twitter.com/ZEeG6pI9WR
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1986&newsCategoryID=14&newsID=12329
SFA still continue to refer to the ‘old firm’.
Why are celtic not objecting to this term being used by the (do) SFA ?!
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/Company/DocumentExtract/55956444
This document has last years date on it !!
David Low @Heavidor 7m
Rumours are a flowing! Sale and share leaseback of Murray Park with a rugby club, possibly West of Scotland RFC.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/champions-league/kharkiv-ban-likely-to-cause-champions-league-confusion-1.1494099?
Uefa in disarray – again.
(A team potentially thrown out for match fixing. If it was ‘1 step away from match fixing’, they might have got away with a £50,000 slap on the wrists – erm – £50,000 fine !)
rumours that West Of Scotland Rugby may be buying Murray Park
it’s a suggested Buy and Lease back deal – which, IMO makes no sense to the rugby club, why buy it to rent out – unless they plan to share it.
Be a good bit of business for Sevco – they need cash and to cut costs of running facility. 2 Birds with one stone.
All assets belong to RIFC, but the real issue is who owns what were there to be a sale / transfer of ownership of the company that is the current Club (TRFC).
TJB & NTHM
WoS RFC recently sold land to Waitrose so have some cash. Cala Homes were v. annoyed as it reduced the land available to it via a previous agreement to build houses. So perhaps a deal is possible if Cala have reached agreement for the rest of the land the rugby club hold. However, not sure why a small rugby club would need such a large & expensive facility as MP. The reason they are selling Burnbrae is that they cant afford to run the facility they have. I imagine if anything WoS would be tenants of MP rather than owners.
@wottpi
Many thanks. It remains frankly ridiculous that a journalist in another country-all be it one with local knowledge-is doing this stuff while the SMSM effectively look the other way.
Planet Fitba deserves better-much better
Sugar Daddy says:
August 14, 2013 at 4:18 pm
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TJB & NTHM
WoS RFC recently sold land to Waitrose so have some cash. Cala Homes were v. annoyed as it reduced the land available to it via a previous agreement to build houses. So perhaps a deal is possible if Cala have reached agreement for the rest of the land the rugby club hold. However, not sure why a small rugby club would need such a large & expensive facility as MP. The reason they are selling Burnbrae is that they cant afford to run the facility they have. I imagine if anything WoS would be tenants of MP rather than owners.
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Maybe the PRICE for MP is laughably low, so they BUY it with the money they got from Waitrose, they sell more of the land they have to Cala – making them hapy and part of the agreement to BUY MP means Sevco agree to share the facility and the lease they pay covers the running costs – no?
Oops, 1966 comments. Bad omen for tonight! Unless no one posts after this so it stays as 1967!!
OT again, SKY reporter fail today from Wemberley, http://t.co/sqdQRASqfd
WHOVER POSTS NEXT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SCOTLAND DEFEAT TONIGHT!!!!
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Entirely possible. Its taken years for WoS to sell the land they have due to planning issues. I find it almost inconceivable that they would then sink the lot into land 800 yards from where they are now and take in a tenant that’s likely to be bust in a few months or at best cash strapped for years. Add in the fact that TRFC doesn’t need MP to operate and its just far too risky. The blazerati in charge of WoS are probably Rangers men to a man but they’re not stupid. However, your point is valid, if the land is cheap enough anything is possible.
StevieBC says:
August 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Sadly they weren’t the only ones.
I recall Henry McLeish coming out with similar bunkum at a Q&A at Tannadice, stating that the revenue of 45,000 fans every second week must not be lost to the SPL. When someone from the audience pointed out to him that this revenue went overwhelmingly to one club it was met with blank stares of incomprehension, then the repeated assertion that the SPL and Scottish football could not afford to lose the money from 45,000 Rangers fans.
jimlarkin says:
August 14, 2013 at 3:12 pm
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1986&newsCategoryID=14&newsID=12329
SFA still continue to refer to the ‘old firm’.
Why are celtic not objecting to this term being used by the (do) SFA ?!
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And was this a term they used pre-liquidation?
Genuine question.
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/08/14/media-house-confirms-end-rangers-fc-pr-contract-after-seven-years
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says:
August 14, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Sounds very far fetched, taxi talk.
OT a bit, but here’s some light relief in light of this evenings fixture. A tribute to Sanderson, Francey and Auld commentating and having some mic issues. Worth watching to the end! Hilarious. 😆
Keep up the good work!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ueKEV102Ma0
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 3:57 pm
That’s interesting, i think West of Scotland’s place is just round the corner from Murray Park, literally within a stones throw. It’s possible they want to sell up the land they have and move there. That might depend on whether their current ground a, belongs to them and b, could be used for other things.
I have nothing to substantiate the rumour but there is a certain geographical sense to it if nothing else.
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I spoke to several senior PR professionals today and they’re amazed that #Sevco have handed out a 5yr deal.
Roddy MacKay @The_Badgeman 24m
@Pmacgiollabhain I’m surprised they could even offer a 5 month contract, never mind 5 years! #deludedSevconians
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@The_Badgeman You’ve not been paying attention…
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@Pmacgiollabhain There’s a lot of it about Phil 🙂
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PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
August 14, 2013 at 5:16 pm
I wonder why? Commercial reasons?
PhilMacGiollaBhain says:
August 14, 2013 at 5:16 pm
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Jack “I always get paid” Irvine will probably perceive the termination of the MH contract as the work of Phil and CF. Despite paying Levy & McCrae a shed load of dosh to silence this evil pair, he has failed miserably in his quest.
It will be galling for Jack to stand helplessly on the sidelines and witness the rotund PR guru strut his stuff down Govan way.
Irvine may also feel the pinch of no longer being able to generate potential business opportunities with his ‘brothers’ of a blue persuasion at Ibrox match day hospitality.
Was Murray allowed to buy the land that Murray Park was built on outright from North Kelvinside Academy or was it a long term lease basis,anyone know
Sorry
Was there also something mentioned at the time about a peppercorn rent
NOAG
Regards someone blocking the Ragers Group (Wavetower ) striking off .
Surely there is some mistake as that was the company who all the peepil ,MSM and Sevco fans told us were liquidated and not the club .
Oh dear what a tangled web we weave
So looks like Sevco 2012 FC are about to loose one of their crown jewels ,I take it that is why the renaming never took place
Was there another Sevco 2012 FC jewel that was supposed to be renamed
tick tick tick
Well done to Gordon and Diane Young and The Drum.
They may have family connections with the old club but unlike the MSM have shown that they will print stuff that others put a Nelson eye to.
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August 14, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Was Murray allowed to buy the land that Murray Park was built on outright from North Kelvinside Academy or was it a long term lease basis,anyone know
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Bought outright. A piece I did in July last year is at: http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/the-sfa-and-its-role-in-any-future-sale-of-rangers-murray-park-by-ecojon/
There was an interesting response to the piece at the time which stated: ‘Only possible solution I’ve heard so far is that a developer buys both Auchenhowie and the nearby West of Scotland Rugby Club grounds, then uses the much-more-viable rugby pitches for houses and moves the rugby club into the ex-Murray Park.’
A business question to those of you so minded.
What results or dividends has Murray Park delivered since it’s inception? A cost benefit thing if you like?
What has it cost?
What has it delivered?
Intelligent guest post from a Bear post on Copland Road Organisation having a go at Ahmad’s money grabbing claim which certainly balances the nonsense from the young McMurdo on the subject yesterday:
http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2013/08/its-principle-of-it-all-imran.html#more
Bangordub says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:30 pm
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A business question to those of you so minded.
What results or dividends has Murray Park delivered since it’s inception? A cost benefit thing if you like?
What has it cost?
What has it delivered?
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McGregor
maybe even Barry Ferguson
Charlie Miller
However, wasn’t it built as a training facility to attract and develop the 1st team players they were buying rather than a youth academy?
Wasn’t the youth !academy” sold off as a separate business to 4 fans and if OLD Rangers wanted to get the youngsters they had to pay compensation to the academy
i believe it cost in excess of £2M a year to run the youth academy (not murray park itself)
With the talk of sale and lease back of Murray Park, and the usual suspicions of Ibrox going the same way, it’s worth remembering that Dundee FC managed to avoid liquidation the last time due to their arrangement to rent their ground.
Despite paying nothing to rent the ground, the administrator successfully argued that the owner of the ground could expect significant future revenue from the Dens Park (renting) Club, and therefore should be seen as a significant creditor when it came to voting on a CVA. The fact that the owner of Dens wasn’t owed anything at the time didn’t seem to matter.
See here:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/sport/football/relief-and-regrets-after-dundee-fc-strike-creditors-deal-1.38760
Bangordub says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:30 pm
A business question to those of you so minded.
What results or dividends has Murray Park delivered since it’s inception? A cost benefit thing if you like? What has it cost? What has it delivered?
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I think the answer would be helluva interesting but we would need a helluva big team of accountants to tackle the task and a lot of time spent to get the answer.
But on the back of a fag packet I reckon over the piece it has cost a fortune and been a big black hole with very few ‘results’ in terms of producing talented youngsters for the first team who have had a good sell-on value 😆
ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:49 pm
But on the back of a fag packet I reckon over the piece it has cost a fortune and been a big black hole with very few ‘results’ in terms of producing talented youngsters for the first team who have had a good sell-on value 😆
That’s pretty much what I thought but I don’t actually know. I presume there are accounts out there publicly? 💡
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Wasn’t the youth !academy” sold off as a separate business to 4 fans and if OLD Rangers wanted to get the youngsters they had to pay compensation to the academy
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I wondered if Ian Hart the Blue Knight who didn’t realise he was one of Green’s initial consortium of investors was one of the ‘four fans?’
It’s just that his 490K shareholding was money that was found apparently just lying about the youth department that seems to have been missed by CW and D&P which always struck me as strange.
But if there was a separate company set up as you mention that might explain why the money was in-effect ‘ringfenced’. Do you know the name of the company that was formed by the four fans?
Am now tuned into England v. Scotland peeking through my fingers 😥
I find it hard to get excited by this international game tonight.
the game in scotland is a joke thanks to the SFA, in footballing terms, i couldn’t give a toss what the result is tonight
as a former Tartan Army member who travelled home and abroad, i’m a little saddened that my game has been taken from me by the SFA
ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm
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Intelligent guest post from a Bear post on Copland Road Organisation having a go at Ahmad’s money grabbing claim which certainly balances the nonsense from the young McMurdo on the subject yesterday:
http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2013/08/its-principle-of-it-all-imran.html#more
Respondents still giving the WATP though.
Watching the game.Commentary via Radio Scotland.Can’t stand that Brazil nut.
ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Am now tuned into England v. Scotland peeking through my fingers 😥
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Scotland 1-0 up, that just makes it worse!
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August 14, 2013 at 8:11 pm
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August 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm
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Intelligent guest post from a Bear post on Copland Road Organisation having a go at Ahmad’s money grabbing claim which certainly balances the nonsense from the young McMurdo on the subject yesterday:
http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2013/08/its-principle-of-it-all-imran.html#more
Respondents still giving the WATP though.
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The squirrel of distraction strikes again, lots of smoke and mirrors
helpmaboab says:
August 14, 2013 at 8:11 pm
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ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm
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Intelligent guest post from a Bear post on Copland Road Organisation having a go at Ahmad’s money grabbing claim which certainly balances the nonsense from the young McMurdo on the subject yesterday:
http://www.thecoplandroad.org/2013/08/its-principle-of-it-all-imran.html#more
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I saw this comment in the article and chuckled………..
So, this £4M per year… I think we can put that down to approximately £850K/year less than what the much-maligned JJB deal was yielding? £18M up front and guaranteed £3M per year with initial payment of £3.5M, and over a ten year period. That yields £4.85M per year on average. Given that Imran uses the supposition of ‘should yield’ I think it is only fair I am afforded the liberty of averaging the yield of the monstrosity that was the JJB deal, you know, the deal we were told this new arrangement would be a massive improvement upon.
WHY are they comparing the deal of a 4th tier new club to that of a very successful SPL team
Surely given the circumstances of where Sevco are, direct comparisons to deals obtained by a club in a very different circumstance are meaningless – no?
Or was there a point in that article where they agree to pay off all the shafted creditors with the money being brought in by the newco?
no, didn’t think so.
worth a repost fro CQN Oct 2012 http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=10730
“I have a Heads of Terms document for the sale and leaseback of Ibrox, Murray Park and the Albion Car Park.
The purchase price for all three assets is £7.285m. In addition to this there is a £6.9m loan provision with 15% interest payable monthly (£985.5k annually). Initial rent for all three properties is £1.8m. The 20-year lease provides for upwards-only reviews every five years by either 2% p.a. or RPI, whatever is greater (so assuming RPI is less than 2% each year, after five years, rent would be £1.987m).
Annual costs for rent and interest would be £2.835m. Current season ticket sales are reported to be approximately 36,000 with a standard adult price of £286, income net of vat will be around £8.5m.
Although the top line figure for both sale and loan is £13.835, “the initial payment will be less 3 years rent [£5.4m] to compensate for the lack of guarantee covering the rental payments”, so monies paid would be £8.435m as the first three years rent is deducted from the total.
Crucially, rent is to be securitised against ticket receipts and the new landlord is to be granted “first charge on the season tickets”, so, just as Craig Whyte planned with Rangers, Sports Direct FC would collect ticket money before passing it on to the security holder.
If the buyer attains planning permission for residential properties at Murray Park, a provision releases the seller from having to repay the £6.55m loan and cancels future interest payments. This speculative clause would release the club from punitive interest repayments but would require them to find a reasonably priced ash park to train on. Perhaps the Albion Car and Training Park.
“The tenant” will be able to buyback the stadium. In year one the price would be £10m (they would still owe the £6.55m loan). The set price increases by 12% p.a. for 10 years, so the year-10 price would be £27.7m. Thereafter “price will revert to Market Value but will not be less than £20m”. The market value of Celtic Park is around £50m. There is no buyback provision for Murray Park or the Albion Car Park.
The deal is on the table but will not be signed before the share issue, or if “the tenant” wins the Euromillions Jackpot (that’s not a euphemism for Champions League money, I mean the actual lottery), or finds some magic beans.”
No man on either post for England’s third! Gordon still believing in the zonal fallacy that didn’t work at Celtic. Same at corner in extra time.
Problems with the main stand at Ibrox, word is that tickets not being sold for the first home league game – safety certificate problems?
ah, the old safety cert rumours….getting a bit old now. If this was true, it would be front page, headline news.
work may be needed, but they aren’t getting shut down for it yet.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm
WHY are they comparing the deal of a 4th tier new club to that of a very successful SPL team
Surely given the circumstances of where Sevco are, direct comparisons to deals obtained by a club in a very different circumstance are meaningless – no?
Or was there a point in that article where they agree to pay off all the shafted creditors with the money being brought in by the newco? No, didn’t think so.
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I think you may have missed the point of the post as I understand it. A Bear has looked at Imran’s ‘commission’ claim and systematically taken it apart and I am heartened to see that being done.
The poster wasn’t comparing the kit deal in the way you suggest but pointing out that the fans were told the new deal would bring in more money than the JJB one. The poster points out that isn’t the case in a structured way as opposed to a post by McMurdo on the same subject yesterday.
The article wasn’t about repaying the shafted creditors but taking each one of Ahmad’s claims and rejecting them and giving detailed reasons why. At the end of the day I personally don’t see why football debts should have been paid whereas ‘ordinary’ creditors were stiffed but as I say the article wasn’t dealing with that subject.
I just wish we could see a helluva lot more posts from Bears showing that they understand what has been happening to their club. They have to be encouraged IMO because it could see Rangers fans realising where some of the deep problems affecting their club and Scottish Football are actually rooted and a lot of that lies within the Scottish establishment and in the suits running the game as well as the SMSM.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
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ah, the old safety cert rumours….getting a bit old now. If this was true, it would be front page, headline news.
work may be needed, but they aren’t getting shut down for it yet.
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It is very odd have a look at the website for the league game, East Fife, whole main stand greyed out but club deck open.
After a wee while the only thing to do with the Rangers situation is laugh about it. It descends into self parody, becomes a joke, exhausts all sense.
That’s why I’ve decided to lighten the mood with my latest OFOG piece.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/when-first-we-practice-to-decieve/
And I stand by my final paragraphs. We’ve passed a point of no return here. The club is doomed. There’s now nothing that can be done now to save it.
Haven’t felt so invested in the Scotland team for quite some time. Another side benefit of fans from (almost) all clubs coming together for the good of the game here.
You think the blazers might learn something from that, but we all know they are probably too busy planning more cover up, collusion and self awarded bonus’
ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm
maybe i did miss the “point” of the JJB/SD/Puma deal comparison
Where does Imran say he secured a deal better than the JJB deal? He just says he got a deal that will generate £4M profit
(i doubt Imran negotiated this deal and i KNOW it won’t deliver £4M profit – but that’s not the point)
Imran doesn’t claim it was better than the deal Rangers had with JJB, he claims it was a deal that will bring in £4M profit
We then have the typical sevconian going on about how “Rangers” got a better deal under JJB (a partner they shafted btw) how Imran should have got a better deal than that, how ANYONE could have got a deal because “we are the rangers”
Frankly, the whole article is not one of a “fans awakening” to the spivs, but instead it reeks of sevconians sense of entitlement and that EVEN IF Imran had done these deals and was only claiming his contractual entitlement (if it was his entitlement) that the deals weren’t enough and that ANYONE sittong atop the marble staircase with a nice shiney pair of brown brogues on would have secured.
A good article, but the motivation is the same old “WATP” nonsense.
in my opinion, of course
taxman cometh says:
August 14, 2013 at 9:53 pm
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August 14, 2013 at 9:46 pm
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ah, the old safety cert rumours….getting a bit old now. If this was true, it would be front page, headline news.
work may be needed, but they aren’t getting shut down for it yet.
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It is very odd have a look at the website for the league game, East Fife, whole main stand greyed out but club deck open
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i did, and it IS indeed odd. Wonder if ST holders have been told tickets aren’t available for that match, or if they are being moved, or if it’s just an “IT” glitch.
their own website said a few days ago that season tickets weren’t for sale – when in actual fact they were.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:12 pm
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taxman cometh says:
August 14, 2013 at 9:53 pm
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ah, the old safety cert rumours….getting a bit old now. If this was true, it would be front page, headline news.
work may be needed, but they aren’t getting shut down for it yet.
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It is very odd have a look at the website for the league game, East Fife, whole main stand greyed out but club deck open
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i did, and it IS indeed odd. Wonder if ST holders have been told tickets aren’t available for that match, or if they are being moved, or if it’s just an “IT” glitch.
their own website said a few days ago that season tickets weren’t for sale – when in actual fact they were.
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Alternatively you don’t want fans buying tickets online for a stand if you intend to get “creative” with the remaining tickets that are likely to be given out “free”
Hmmmmmmm
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21581724-football-clubs-can-easily-be-used-stealing-machines-here-instruction-manual
Strachan saying an opportunity lost to be remembered for 40 years.
Entirely correct.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm
WHY are they comparing the deal of a 4th tier new club to that of a very successful SPL team
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Would that be the very successful SPL team that was liquidated after years of stealing tax in order to pay the wages of players they couldn’t have otherwise afforded.
Is it that very successful SPL team.
Tif Finn says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:31 pm
YES – that team, I should have said a FORMER SPL team
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm
They weren’t actually very successful though were they, they went bust owing tens of millions of pounds.
If you are talking on-field success most of the recent success was as a result of cheating, both financially and by fielding ineligible players.
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August 14, 2013 at 10:40 pm
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Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm
They weren’t actually very successful though were they, they went bust owing tens of millions of pounds.
If you are talking on-field success most of the recent success was as a result of cheating, both financially and by fielding ineligible players.
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even if you stripped every honour they “won” in the past 20 years, they were still a VERY successful team
maybe not the MOST successful team, but still VERY successful
Pretty poor performance from both teams tonight. Tabloids still picking the England team by the looks of it.
Interesting aside before the match from the commentary team where they hypothesised the financials in Scottish football might lead to a resurgence of home grown talent.
So… What are the SFA for again exactly????
Still waiting for that 10 year development plan to change the game similar to Spain and Germany.
I’ll not hold my breath. You can only expect so much from good ol’ boys and empty suits.
Sugar Daddy says:
August 14, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Re West rugby ground – there was a fair amount of comment on RTC re this subject. From memory the Allander Sports Centre is scheduled for demolition and a new facility needs to be built – Auchenhowie was to be the location – public money to provide facilities to the general public but also rolling in West with a new rugby ground and using the pitches etc of Murray park for general public use as well as Sevco use. East Dunbartonshire to buy Murray Park, sell existing Allander site for house building, West sell their ground for housebuilding – funding in place for new facility, everybody happy.
There were some posters on RTC that had much more detailed info on this.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:43 pm
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Decades ago, I would probably agree they were successful. I make no comment of anything which may have influenced that at.
However that really was a long time ago. Prior to the systematic cheating in order to steal that “success”, which I personally would not consider success. By the same logic Lance Armstrong was successful.
So if you are talking say 20 years ago, you may have a point.
May I just say a very un tsfm thing and praise Mr Kenneth Miilers goal his 18 th for Scotland.
For years I’ve wanted him to chest the ball correctly cushion it expertly turn and shoot.
Tonight Perfect. A thing of beauty..# and im a well fan
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August 14, 2013 at 10:56 pm
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Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:43 pm
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Decades ago, I would probably agree they were successful. I make no comment of anything which may have influenced that at.
However that really was a long time ago. Prior to the systematic cheating in order to steal that “success”, which I personally would not consider success. By the same logic Lance Armstrong was successful.
So if you are talking say 20 years ago, you may have a point.
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in the eyes of companies like Nike/Puma/Adidas/JJB/Sports Direct – then they would not have been aware of the “culture” that allowed Rangers to be so successful in the past 20 years.
they would have seen the titles, the attendance, the company turnover and the players being bought and would have offered a deal in lines with the commercial worth (to them) of a deal with Rangers.
Of course, we now know it was based on lies
Given that, the fact Puma (or anyone at all) agreed to make their kit and pay them any kind of royalty on sales at all suggest imran struck a good deal!
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 14, 2013 at 10:10 pm
ecobhoy says:
August 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Q: Where does Imran say he secured a deal better than the JJB deal? He just says he got a deal that will generate £4M profit.
A: So a commercial director on commission is going to scrap existing deals and replace them with new ones providing less revenue? I don’t think that makes any sense for the individual or the club and that’s what the Bear was pointing out. The fans were ‘sold’ the myth that the new deal would increase revenue.
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You state: ‘We then have the typical sevconian going on about how “Rangers” got a better deal under JJB (a partner they shafted btw) how Imran should have got a better deal than that, how ANYONE could have got a deal because “we are the rangers”.
My comment: I most definitely would not describe the poster as a ‘typical sevconian’ if you mean that in a derogatory way. JJB were shafted because of the administration but that doesn’t affect the Bear’s point that the new deal provided less revenue than the JJB one. I think the poster has every right to question an inferior deal replacing the one that was in place and his argument was partly based on the spending power of the Rangers support on kit which is a given. Not as high as Celtic but still impressive in Scottish terms.
I think it’s important to point out that: ‘ ANYONE could have got a deal because “we are the rangers” are your words and not those of the Rangers poster,
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You state: ‘Frankly, the whole article is not one of a “fans awakening” to the spivs, but instead it reeks of sevconians sense of entitlement and that EVEN IF Imran had done these deals and was only claiming his contractual entitlement (if it was his entitlement) that the deals weren’t enough and that ANYONE sittong atop the marble staircase with a nice shiney pair of brown brogues on would have secured.’
My comment: I made it clear that this was a post from an individual Bear who had obviously given thought and constructed a rational case against Ahmad being entitled to the commission level he claimed. The fan did accept that if a court held that he was entitled to any money then he should be paid that. However nowhere did I portray this as ‘fans awakening’ in a general sense but a welcome sign nonetheless IMO.
Again I would point out that the words: ‘ANYONE sittong atop the marble staircase with a nice shiney pair of brown brogues on would have secured’ are your words and not what the poster stated. In fact the poster made it clear that in a number of cases it wasn’t just Ahmad or any single individual effort to secure the deals that Ahmad was claiming commission on but a joint effort with others.
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You state: ‘but the motivation is the same old “WATP” nonsense’. Funny I can’t find a trace of that in the Bear’s post. I see wry tongue-in-cheek humour and irony and intelligence and a well presented case from a Bear who loves his club and isn’t happy with what the spivs have been doing to it.
Seeing your response to what I consider to be a level-headed post – and you are obviously entitled to read into the post whatever you like and form whatever opinion you wish – then I can understand why sensible Rangers posters might regard it as a waste of time trying to discuss their club and its problems on here.
That is a great pity IMO because to improve things for Scottish Football in general I believe that all people of goodwill need to be able to engage in discussion and an honest exchange of views. If we can’t then not only this site but football will lose out and we will lose the chance to slowly build a better Scotland by attempting to roll back our prejudices.
Imran’s a sideshow. Craigy will soon re appear .
the mans owed money. CW doesn’t do losing money.
ianagain says:
August 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Imran’s a sideshow. Craigy will soon re appear. he mans owed money.
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I think you are correct but I think the major hurdle that CW faces is that he doesn’t have the cash to pursue a legal battle to get it.
He has tried to pressurise an out of court pay-off but with Green about to abandon ship with his loot then I see his chances fading fast. If there is another admin then they will completely disappear I reckon.
So if he’s going to make a move it has to be immediate and it has to be a corker like he holds the title deeds or of that magnitude. But as I say if he doesn’t produce soon then he’s onto plums IMO.
Charlotte Fakeovers @CharlotteFakes 5m
Share Highlights Pre IPO. McCoist 1m at 1p each. Hughes 2.2m at 1p each, Ahmad 2.2m at 1p each. Green 5 million at 1p each
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That’s very stale news indeed and I begin to wonder whether CF has run out of interesting material or whether a decision has been taken not to release anything further for whatever reason. Time will tell.
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August 14, 2013 at 11:29 pm
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ianagain says:
August 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Imran’s a sideshow. Craigy will soon re appear. the mans owed money.
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I think you are correct but I think the major hurdle that CW faces is that he doesn’t have the cash to pursue a legal battle to get it.
He has tried to pressurise an out of court pay-off but with Green about to abandon ship with his loot then I see his chances fading fast. If there is another admin then they will completely disappear I reckon.
So if he’s going to make a move it has to be immediate and it has to be a corker like he holds the title deeds or of that magnitude. But as I say if he doesn’t produce soon then he’s onto plums IMO
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Agree we will soon see if its one of his diversions or not.
Me I thnk Craigies smarter than Imran CG and the investors.
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I just cant get beyond all the folk he taped who just blabbed on.
More from CF:
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RFCL Board Meeting 31/10/2012
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#BetterRatesAtWongaAndLessDodgyLooking
12:54am – 15 Aug 13
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Good effort tonight by Scotland. Hate to say it, 🙁 but England were superior in both technique and fitness. It was a strange game. We put up a good show, were twice ahead, and only lost because of 2 soft set piece headers and a breakaway goal. The effort from all the Players cannot be criticised, they put their heart and Soul into it, and a draw would have been a proud result ! Unfortunately, not to be this time.
My main point is an observation on The RFC Saga that has been perplexing me for a while :
Why is it that the TSFM and previously RTC websites are currently (along with Phil & CF of course) the only media outlets trying to piece together the ongoing saga connected with RFC ?
The only reason I ask is because it just occurred to me that there must be RFC Supporters out there asking the same questions ? Only trouble is, I can’t find them anywhere !
If it was My Club, I’d be hammering the door down for answers !
Maybe, behind closed doors, they are asking these questions in a “Dignified Manner”. Unfortunately, Spiv’s don’t do “Dignity”.
To all RFC Supporters, If you “Think” you support “Rangers”, why are you not asking all of those nice people in charge of Your Club “WTF is going on ?”.
BTW, The Sun & DR aren’t going to give you the answers !
We used to have an old saying in The Military. Seems particularly relevant at this time to RFC Supporters !
“We’re like Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on “s*!t” ” !
C’Mon bears, stand up to the plate before you all go into Room 101 !
No disrespect to any Bears meant from the above, but it’s getting serious Guy’s !