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Always wondered why the ramsden cup final date was placed …

Comment on Reflections on Goalposts by bobferris.

Always wondered why the ramsden cup final date was placed so close to the end of the season ,im sure there was no intention to hinder the sevconian side as it now looks probable a weaker side will be fielded ,or as discussed on here was it to aid them with a much needed cash injection added of course to the ibrox staging of 2 scottish cup semi finals. Nice work if you can get it especially as predicted the begging bowl will be in full view.
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The last two Ramsdens Finals have taken place near the end of the season.

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Reflections on Goalposts
Smugas – 😀 Also counting all the comps issued to non fans, presumably stewards are counted (he did say everybody!), photographers, visiting directors, family of players (comps again). Our crowds are woeful for a town of 50,000 and a team sitting second in the league but there is growing apathy and disillusionment among some fans not helped by the chairman’s vote last summer. We do a great job in bringing through youth and the after school training for all kids age groups has recently started up again but the club’s poor PR, terrible club shop and merchandising in general, and lack of thought for the fans has led to may picking and choosing or just not turning up at all. We can’t even get our games filmed for the SPFL youtube channel while giants like Stranraer and the Shire have their lengthy highlights available on their website on Sunday evenings.


Reflections on Goalposts
Did Albion Rovers £1 min entry on Saturday generate any more money than they would normally have got. Yes, it’s a fine attempt at boosting the crowd but if the actual cash collected was less than normal how does that help the club.
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Rovers chairman John Devlin, whose idea this was, tweeted last night, “Crowd increase of 125%, gate receipt increase of 160%, café/shop/add-ons increase of 165%”. The crowd against Montrose earlier in the season, on a balmy August afternoon, was only 311. Quite a jump to 718 on a day that was cold to begin with and got a helluva lot colder. I was there and was quite taken aback at the size of the crowd. I paid £10 btw, was intending to pay £8 but forgot to take a fiver and didn’t fancy asking for change at the turnstile!

Regarding ST holders always being counted, the Hamilton Accies secretary told me that they only count those in attendance but this included everybody – directors, ballboys, members of the press, tea ladies etc. Quite sobering to realise that an Accies home crowd of 1000 probably only has around 800 actual Accies fans present.


Reflections on Goalposts
upthehoops – It wasn’t too long ago that Jim Craig presented football on the BBC and Billy McNeill was a regular co-commentator for Scotland games and cup finals.


Recent Comments by bobferris

On Grounds for Judicial Review
I haven’t posted on here for some time. I’m a Hamilton Accies fan of some 36 years standing. I contacted chairman Les Gray in 2012 and told him that I would stay away from games at NDP if he decided to lobby for New Rangers to be placed in the Championship. He did, he would explain to fans later he was under immense pressure from Accies sponsors to do so. I kept my word, kind of, only going to one game that season – a Scottish Cup quarter final against Falkirk, which we managed to mess up in typical Accies cup fashion. To get my fix of football I had a pleasant season visiting grounds of clubs who had voted to make New Rangers start in the fourth tier – Albion Rovers, Alloa, Clyde, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion, East Stirlingshire. I actually witnessed one of the best games of football I’d ever seen, an amazing 4-4 draw between Albion Rovers and Stenny, featuring two of the best goals I’ve ever seen!

Fast Forward to this summer and I’m one of the first in the queue for the incredibly cheap season tickets – only £180 (no discount for pensioners though, those old bastards get enough apparently!). Then the Supreme Court judgement happens. Brilliant! Oh, oh, seems the SPFL board, now featuring Mr Gray, have no appetite to see justice done and strip the biggest sporting cheats this country has ever seen of the honours they won from 1999-2010. Shite! I write to Les Gray enclosing my newly purchased season ticket. I keep it fairly brief but make it clear exactly why I’m taking this stance. No reply as yet, almost two weeks later, but I didn’t anticipate one. I feel like walking away from Scottish football completely. All the clubs are complicit so there will be no repeat of 12/13 for me. One more empty seat at NDP will make little difference but it’s all I can do. I would love to see empty stands up and down the land when New Rangers come calling – 400 at Accies, 1500 at Dens, 5000 at Hibs –  that would send out a message that couldn’t be ignored. But it won’t happen. More power to those setting up a Judicial Review, I will contribute to any crowd funding. We need to see The Asterisk Years. Then we can move on.

While I’m on, I see some comment again about the infamous (to some) Rangers-Dunfermline game in 2003. I watched this game live on TV. Dunfermline actually played pretty well for at least 45 minutes. Jason Dair scored a screamer to, I think, equalise. Rangers ran over the top of them in the final thirty minutes. I respect Chris Sutton very much now as a pundit but he went down in my estimation that day with his “lying down” comments. His team had just won by four goals away from home while Rangers had won by five goals at home. Nobody was suggesting Killie laid down, just as nobody would seriously suggest they would lie down in a cup to lose five goals to Celtic Reserves last night. When the Old Firm (sorry!) get the bit between their teeth in those situations, they can be unstoppable. Like in 1985/86 at Love Street. I once saw Accies lose 0-8 at home to Celtic. No lying down. It was 0-0 after 25 minutes then Celtic went up a gear and we were completely overran. We one the return 2-0 though. Typically I missed that one!


Journey’s End?
We may wish to keep an eye on up and coming teenage referee Russell Anderson, if his twitter timeline is anything to go by. https://twitter.com/Im_Rodger

Strangely, he has a pie and bovril account as Im_Rodger, where he claims to be a Hamilton Accies fan, even starting the season thread for Accies last summer. On their politics forum he has said he’ll be voting Conservative/Conservative so it seems likely to deduce that they are one and the same person. His twitter, for those who cannot access it, is wall to wall Pro Rangers and Anti Celtic. Not a crime of course but a little thoughtless for a budding referee, who, from his Facebook, seems to already be well up the SFA ladder. 


LNS – A Summary
More and more it becomes apparent that the football fraternity in Scotland are just a bunch of shits. Chairman after chairman, manager after manager including our national team boss. They do not deserve us. Coming close to the tipping point for me and Accies don’t have many fans to lose!


LNS – A Summary
Allyjambo – Fair points. I suppose we just don’t have the strength of club further down the league set up that England does to make it an ideal solution (an 18 team league with play offs) but I’d still like to give it a try. You could get clubs like Dunfermline and Ayr making the step up and they could make a real go of it or it could be Alloa and Cowdenbeath and it would be a bit crap! No offence to those clubs, just being realistic.

As for the League Cup revamp, I still can’t get my head around it. Four games just to get to Round 2, how many folk can’t be arsed going to a one off Round 1 match as it is!


LNS – A Summary
Allyjambo – the old days of the 18 team league came before play offs had been heard of. If we had a top league of 18 with two down automatically and third and fourth bottom being a relegation play off place with the third and fourth top sides from the division below, interest would be sustained to the end of the season. Teams in mid table in February would have one eye on pushing for a European place while knowing that a bad run could easily see them drop down towards the relegation play offs. That’s my solution, maybe needs a tweak here or there but I don’t see a lot of meaningless matches. The English Championship and League 1 & 2 rarely has meaningless matches for both sides until maybe the last two weeks of the season.


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