From the TSFM Manifesto š
A spectre is haunting Scottish Football ā the spectre of Sporting Integrity. All the powers of the old firms have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Billy and Dan, Blazer and Cassock, Record and Sun, Balance Sheet and P&L.
Where is the football fan in opposition to these that has not been decried as a “sporting integrity bampot” by his opponents in power?Two things result from this fact:
I. Sporting Integrity is already widely acknowledged to be itself a power for good.
II. It is high time that Lovers of Sport should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Sporting Integrity with a manifesto of fair play.
To this end, Lovers of Sport of various partisanship have assembled on TSFM and sketched their manifesto, to be published on tsfm.scot.
Those who love sport though are challenged not just by the taunts of the monosyllabic automatons in the MSM, but by the owners of our football clubs who have displayed an almost total disregard to our wish to have a fair competition played out in the spirit of friendly rivalry. In fact the clubs, who speak those fine words, are not nearly as outraged as we are by the damage done to the integrity of the sport in the past few years .
In fact the term Sporting Integrity has become, since the latter stages of the Rangers era, a term ofĀ abuse; a mocking soubriquet attached to those who want sport to be just that – sport.
Sporting integrity now lives in the same media pigeon-hole as words like Islam, left-wing, militant, Muslim – and a host of others; words which are threats to the established order now set up as in-jokes, in order to reduce the effectiveness of the idea.
In fact, a new terminology has evolved in the reporting of football by both club officials and The Succulent Lamb Chapel alike;
“.. Sporting Integrity but …”.
For example
“We all want sporting integrity, but finance is more important”
Says who exactly?
Stated in such a matter of fact way that the obvious question is headed off at the pass, it is sometimes difficult to re-frame the discussion – perhaps because crayon is so hard to erase?
This is the backdrop to The Scottish Football Monitor and the world in which we live. Often the levels of scrutiny employed by our contributors are far in excess of any scrutiny employed by the MSM. Indeed our ideas and theories are regularly plagiarised by those very same lazy journalists who lurk here, and cherry-pick material to suit their own agendas; regularly claiming exclusives for stories that TSFM and RTC before us had placed in the public domain weeks earlier.
This was going to lead into a discourse about the love of money versus the love of sport – of how the sacred cows of acquisitiveness, gate- retention and turnstile spinning is far more important to the heads of our football clubs (the Billys, Dans and Blazers of the intro) than maintaining the traditions of our sport.
However events of Friday 14th November have given me cause to leave that for another day. The biggest squirrel of all in this sorry saga has always been the sleight of hand employed instil a siege mentality in the Rangers fans. The press have time and again assisted people (with no love of football in general or Rangers in particular) to enrich themselves – legally or otherwise – and feed on the loyalty of Rangers fans.
A matter for Rangers fans may also be the identity of some of those who had their trust, butĀ who also assisted the Whytes and Greens by their public statements of support.
Our contention has been that rules have been bent twisted or broken to accommodate those people, the real enemies of the Rangers fans – and fans everywhere.
Through our collective research and group-analysis of events, we have also wondered out loud about the legality of many aspects of the operating style of some of the main playersĀ in the affair. That suspicion has been shared most notably by Mark Daly and Alex Thompson, but crucially now appears to be shared by Law Enforcement.
I confess I am fed up with the self-styled “bampot” epithet. For the avoidance of doubt, the “bampots” in this affair are those who have greater resources than us, and access to the truth, but who have lacked either the will orĀ theĀ courage or the imagination to follow it through.
We are anything but bampots. Rather, weĀ have demonstrated that the wisdom of the crowd is more effective by far than any remnants of wisdom in the press.
I have no doubt that the police investigation into this matter is proceeding in spite of great opposition in the MSM and the Scottish Football Authorities – all of whom conspired to expose Rangers to the custodianship of those for whom football is a foreign language.
I have no doubt that the constant exposition of wrong-doing on this blog, in particular the questions we have constantly raised, and anomalies we have pointed out, has assisted and enabled the law enforcement agencies in this process.
If we are to be consistent in this, our enabling of the authorities, we MUST show restraint at all times as this process is followed through. People who are charged with a crime deserve to be given a fair trial in the absence of rumour or innuendo. We must also, if we are to continue as the spectre which haunts the avaricious – and the real bampots – be seen to be better than they, and give them no cause to accuse us of irresponsibility.
This affair has now evolved way beyond one club gaining unfair advantage over others. For all the understandable Schadenfreude of many among us, the real enemy is not Rangers, it is about those who enabled and continue to enable the farce at Ibrox.
This is now about systematic cheating at the heart of the Scottish game (in the name of cash and in spite of lip service to sporting integrity), and how the greed of a bunch of ethically challenged officials allowed another group of ethically challenged businessmenĀ free rein to enrich themselves at the expense of the fans.
Whether laws were broken or not, theĀ players at Rangers have come and gone and are variables, but the malignant constant at the SFA and SPFL are still there. Last night, even after the news that four men had been arrested in connection with the takeover at Ibrox in 2011, they were gathered together at Celtic Park with their Irish counterparts, tucking into succulent lamb (perhaps) and fine wines, doing someĀ back slapping, makingĀ jokes about the vulgarities of their fans, bragging about the ST money they have banked.
The revolution won’t be over until they are gone, and if they remain, it is Scottish Football that will be over.
I agree. The end of December is, for me, the perfect time for an administration. It allows the squad to be ‘reduced’ during the transfer window which means funds can come in, as opposed to having to just lay them off (and make them creditors) outside the window. If the decision is then made to continue to the end of the season (if that is even possible) then loan players and youngsters can carry the burden.
Barcabhoy says:
November 24, 2014 at 11:03 pm
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Option 2 would be a good start, surely. Start with a proper Administrator. Get rid of an insultingly overpaid 1st team management structure, and players who are on salaries miles beyond their worth to the team. New Management team on a quarter or less of their predecessors and told to work with a combination of youth, and experienced free transfers. The onerous contracts would remain, the rightful place would not be easily attainable, and it may be a while before Celtic are put in their place. If the bears rally round it though, it might start to work.
Of course, a 25 point point deduction for going into admin might prove problematic. Decisions, decisions!
Barcabhoy says:
November 24, 2014 at 11:03 pm
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There’s also the, as yet, unexplored option of a fans’ group cutting all ties with sevco and forming a breakaway ‘Real Rangers’ for example.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/9512461/fc-united-set-to-unveil-their-first-stadium-nine-years-after-forming
This would allow supporters to both own and direct the club free from spivery.
Unfortunately that’s unlikely to happen given the perceived solution to any problem down govan way involves billionaires, warchests & entitlement.
Livingston failed to pay PAYE and NI on Ā£35000 apparently, meaning unpaid tax of Ā£7000 assuming basic rate (Ā£14000 if higher rate) plus a smaller sum of unpaid NI. They declared their failure to HMRC.
The contrast in punishment with the Ibrox club is quite unbelievable, or would be if it wasn’t Scottish football we were discussing.
Edit: in case Campbell is reading, the tax due on his ‘Night Out’ EBT would have been Ā£38000.
The comparison, if there is one at all of course is that I always said the SFA could have used their famous discretion and contrived a charge in 2012 along the lines of we (RFC in admin) accept one player (I think did RTC not show a timeline for Novo, or Rae maybe) was Ineligible for season 11-12 and will accept our punishment as long as you don’t dig deeper. Points penalty to put them a point below Dunfermline, they get genuinely as opposed to pretendy relegated (this is before liquidation remember) Dundee come up, all sorted before the end of May 2012.
But they didn’t!
(Acknowledge the 5wa was still required after liquidation but the knock on effects on other teams would have been lessened).
You see they can’t even do corruption properly! Just no imagination whatsoever!
@davythelotion
It’s a cracking story that. Noticed that they even revived a disused local stadium for the new home š”
Liked this quote:
RIFC shares
Yesterday afternoon down to 23p
Today, someone gets up at 8am (soon as) to buy less
Than Ā£100 worth of shares at over 24p!!!!! ??
I don’t get it !
John Clark says:
November 25, 2014 at 12:03 am
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macfurgly says:
November 24, 2014 at 11:23 pm
āIncluding the SPFL who maintain the history fiction on their website.ā
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What further proof is required to condemn the SPFL as liars?
Liars, in calling the club āRangers Football Clubā instead of āThe Rangers Football Clubā or āRIFC Plc’…. Etc…
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God, that we should have to put up with such wickedness!
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I doubt that it’s wickedness at Hampden or elsewhere…
Just Wee Stevie at Ibrox doing homers for pals…
Seems you CAN take on the history of a dead entity……..Pretty shameless, classless and tardy though.
Clapham Rovers, a Sunday League team formed in 1996, wearing a badge that proclaims them to have won the FA Cup in 1880: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Rovers_F.C.
Smugas says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:08 am
They canāt even do corruption properly!
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“SPFL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster said: “In the interests of sporting integrity and fairness to both sides, the game will be replayed.ā
Well there’s the answer to everything.
Had Bryson’s Law (with every reference I now picture a pre-watershed drama where Mr Bryson solves numerous disagreements with his unique take on matters) not been enacted, and the raft of SPL games from the past umpteen years been requried to be played again, there would be the hunners of OF games that the illustrious leaders so desperately want for their own self-indulgence, TV rights and sponsorship leverage …
Re the Peterhead game, Ayr have numerous challenges at present and whilst the scant lifeline of turning over a defeat is there in principle, that game seems more likely to go down as a 3-0 win for Peterhead with Ayr only picking up more injuries. š
When Charles bought the history did he also get the rights to “a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace” or was this one of the oldco debts passed on to the SFA and League?
Regarding Barcabhoy’s option 4 (liquidation) and the journey from tier 4. Small point in the grand scheme of things but remember there are now 5 tiers of senior football in Scotland’s pyramid structure and any Third Rangers variant would need to start in the Scottish Lowland League.
Head Hunter says:
November 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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Regarding Barcabhoyās option 4 (liquidation) and the journey from tier 4. Small point in the grand scheme of things but remember there are now 5 tiers of senior football in Scotlandās pyramid structure and any Third Rangers variant would need to start in the Scottish Lowland League.
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They would need to APPLY for the Lowland League. And be considered on their merits alongside any other applicants. That is what would happen in any country with clear rules, properly applied. It is not what will happen in Scotland. That is a given.
Neepheid and Head Hunter
What an opportunity for the Scottish Lowland League to become the most competitive league in the world.
Been looking at old news stories from the last couple of years claiming SPFL sponsorship was just around the corner, bids rejected, the right kind of partner, several suitors, no timescale, etc.
It’s all a bit embarassing really.
It’s a pity we didn’t have a whip round here at the start of the season to call Doncaster’s bluff.
neepheid says:
November 25, 2014 at 1:05 pm
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Head Hunter says:
November 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm
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Regarding Barcabhoyās option 4 (liquidation) and the journey from tier 4. Small point in the grand scheme of things but remember there are now 5 tiers of senior football in Scotlandās pyramid structure and any Third Rangers variant would need to start in the Scottish Lowland League.
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They would need to APPLY for the Lowland League. And be considered on their merits alongside any other applicants. That is what would happen in any country with clear rules, properly applied. It is not what will happen in Scotland. That is a given.
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True, but to be fair it would be worth it just to hear the linguistic gymnastics attempted by the usual suspects when they played Gretna 2008 š
Actually there are up to 7 tiers – there’s promotion/relegation between the Lowland League and the SoSFL and EoSFL Premier (which has further promotion/relegation to/from EoSFL First)…
John Clark says:
November 25, 2014 at 12:03 am
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I see you got four TDs there. Perhaps they were for being too soft towards these football authorities.
Others Must Lose
Iām very interested with the bearsā reaction to the Hearts defeat and the nine point deficit. There seem to be a lot of comments along the lines that it is not enough to win the league, it must be done easily ā like the last two leagues. As someone who grew up supporting a club that could delight and depress with amazing randomness over many years. I really canāt quite grasp what all the fuss is about. The season is young, The Rangers have the biggest squad so should āimproveā relatively as late season attrition sets in. If the football is dire as many say ā I donāt know for myself ā then that is just a matter of good coaching and tactics. If Ally can do it, then he needs to do it now. If Ally canāt do it, assuming heās too expensive to sack, they need to find him some busy-work to make room for someone who can do it ā I hear work is piling up in the admin department at Ibrox.
What makes me smile is that with all these opportunities, loyal follow followers are grumbling about not winning games easily and not winning the league easily ā at a canter, without really trying, scoring for fun, without breaking sweat, however, you want to term it.
Is this the depth of the loyalty and fortitude possessed by a vocal portion of the bears?
It has certainly opened my eye to the overriding necessity for cruising through the fourth tier and third tier – no matter what it cost ā because, it would seem, that was absolutely essential to sell a get a big chunk of the STs the following season. Mr Green is a better man than me in spotting that PDQ.
If I was some English bloke scribbling numbers on the back of a fag packet, Iād be paying close attention to the intrinsic fickleness of so many loyal followers recently. Because, if he doesnāt empty his pockets their way to ensure consistent easy winning ā he may find his ST sales estimates somewhat optimistic.
Ironically, the straw that breaks The Rangers back may not be that they lose a lot, or play pitiful football, but that they donāt win easily enough, often enough.
Perhaps the bears could embrace the wise words of Gore Vidal on ambition and the capitalism system; āIt is not enough merely to win; others must lose.ā
Disclaimer: any similarity between the behaviour of some bears described above and Oyster Card carrying Man Utd fans is entire coincidental and unintentional.
Danish Pastry says:
November 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm
There are āowls on the moorā (qaint Danish expression):
@DarrylBroadfoot: @mccannleo @TheSFMonitor Yet more rubbish. Read P16 of 2008 accounts. āIncome increased ā¦. with departure of two previous nat coachesā
PS Stevie, well done, and on spotting the email error. I just lifted the tweet. Have checked and youāre correct.
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Flocculent Apoidea says:
November 24, 2014 at 11:51 pm
From someone on twitter, using the name @darrylbroadfoot-
ā@mccannleo @TheSFMonitor Yet more rubbish. Read P16 of 2008 accounts. āIncome increased ā¦. with departure of two previous nat coaches’ā
This has to be a parody account trying to make the SFA look condescending, aloof and unprofessional. Why bother, though? The real SFA manages that just fine.
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Just checked: these do not appear on Darryl’s official Twitter account.
‘Page 16 of 2008 accounts’ does not mention turnover whatsoever. It’s the notes on Tangible Fixed Assets. And it’s a 2007 transaction we are querying anyway.
No further updates at this time.
Gym Trainer says:
November 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm
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Head Hunter says:
November 25, 2014 at 12:51 pm
Regarding Barcabhoyās option 4 (liquidation) and the journey from tier 4. Small point in the grand scheme of things but remember there are now 5 tiers of senior football in Scotlandās pyramid structure and any Third Rangers variant would need to start in the Scottish Lowland League.
Actually there are up to 7 tiers ā thereās promotion/relegation between the Lowland League and the SoSFL and EoSFL Premier (which has further promotion/relegation to/from EoSFL First)ā¦
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Technically that’s correct, however, whilst there are Glasgow teams in the Lowland league there are none in the East of Scotland or South of Scotland leagues (for obvious reasons) and there is no feeder structure in place yet for teams from the West. If you needed to shoehorn them in somewhere (not that I’m suggesting you would š ) then that is the only practical place you could. The existing league is small enough to take an additional side without knocking someone else out…and quite a few of those teams would not meet the licencing conditions anyway( Ha ha!). The difference is sticking them in at the bottom of tier 4, as the did previously, would now definitely come at the expense of someone who earned that place on merit. That would demonstrate a lack of integrity, in a sporting sense…and since we all know from ND’s recent pronouncements that the integrity of the competition is the primary concern of the games administrators it could never happen -again. š
@Stevie What is DB’s official twitter account?
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Twitter: @darrylbroadfoot
Anyone know why there is such a delay in announcing the League Cup venues and kick off dates/times?
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November 25, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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@Stevie What is DBās official twitter account?
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Twitter: @darrylbroadfoot
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That’s with a capital D and B on twitter as far as I can see. I have a screen grab of the comment where he refers to P16 of the 2008 accounts. It’s still on the twitter feed ca 20h ago. With more than 7,000 followers I reckoned it was him. I was a fly on the wall š
I don’t know that would stop them. The arguement would surely be that one team would be demoted and one promoted and there would still be a spare place for RFCIII to ply their trade in League Two, at the bottom of the SPFL.
coineanachantaighe says:
November 25, 2014 at 3:28 pm
‘..I see you got four TDs there. Perhaps they were for being too soft towards.’
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Yes, it’s my be-setting sin š , too kindly-natured to say what I really think. š
Reports Ayr United chairman not a happy camper. Ā£10,000 to arrange replay of the match!
With Peterhead fine also Ā£10,000 down on the deal, if they’re to pay full amount, looks like an ace decision.
3-0 forfeit a lot simpler.
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Twitter: @darrylbroadfoot
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I think that’s were the confusion is;
Twitter: @DarrylBroadfoot is I believe his official account.
[Seems lower/upper case makes a difference.]
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Thanks DP.
I can see it now : have to view ‘Tweets & Replies’ !
So why did he not give an answer to my/others queries ?
And his ‘p16 reference’ ? Not in the 2008 financial accounts.
And should be in 2007 accounts anyway.
@Stevie Darryl doesn’t think people who live in the real world fixate over non-issues (his words) like this.
So the Ā£400,000 a non-issue like all the other non-issues š
You should add a comment to the thread to the effect that you checked P16. See if he comes with a new dismissive remark.
Danish Pastry says:
November 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm
@Stevie Darryl doesnāt think people who live in the real world fixate over non-issues (his words) like this.
So the Ā£400,000 a non-issue like all the other non-issues š
You should add a comment to the thread to the effect that you checked P16. See if he comes with a new dismissive remark.
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I had pinged off the email below to Darryl / Regan / Snell, for what it’s worth…
“Hi Darryl,
per your recent Tweets ;
darryl broadfoot @DarrylBroadfoot
Ā· 20h20 hours ago
@castlemanxxxx I don’t understand. Question (timing truly bizarre) from accounts 7 yrs ago answered. Baffling.
darryl broadfoot @DarrylBroadfoot
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@Atari2600hero @TheClumpany @mccannleo @TheSFMonitor because most people who live in real world don’t fixate over non-issues from 7 yrs ago
darryl broadfoot @DarrylBroadfoot
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@mccannleo @TheSFMonitor Yet more rubbish. Read P16 of 2008 accounts. ‘Income increased …. with departure of two previous nat coaches’
Baffling / non-issues ? This is all about trust – or lack of trust and transparency. The SFA should be aware of that by now.
I would have appreciated a proper reply to my attached emails.
FYI, I have attached the 2007 financial accounts: this is where the compensation should have been recorded.
FYI, I have attached the 2008 financial accounts: where on page 16 is the narrative you quoted;
‘Income increased …. with departure of two previous nat coaches’?
[And to be clear: per below, we have been talking about the publicly available, financial accounts all along.]
Would appreciate some feedback.
Regards,
[StevieBC]”
Matty Roth says:
November 25, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Anyone know why there is such a delay in announcing the League Cup venues and kick off dates/times?
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IMO
Two reasons both related to TRFC going into Admin
Delay in announcing Date
In the interest of avoiding civil disorder,any TRFC players sold in Jan must not leave before TRFC play Celtic. So the TRFC v Celtic match will be held on 31 Jan
And
Delay in announcing Venues
It is in the interest of Scottish football to help clubs in distress
So both semis will be held at Ibrox
In the interest of sporting integrity the final will be held at Celtic Park if TRFC qualify and at Hampden if Celtic qualify
Delay in announcing anything
There will be no announcement until TRFC go into Admin which is likely to be shortly after they fail to meet the Dec payroll
Birmingham City compensation paid/received net
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Tried to find some comparisons, and in the Birmingham City plc accounts to Aug 2008, was this analysis in the Notes to the Accounts on Turnover;
“Total Commercial Revenues also include a one-off net compensation fee of Ā£2.5m received in relation to Steve Bruce joining Wigan and the appointment of Alex McLeish as Manager of the Club in November 2007.”
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Matty Roth says:
November 25, 2014 at 4:44 pm
Anyone know why there is such a delay in announcing the League Cup venues and kick off dates/times?
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IMO
Two reasons both related to TRFC going into Admin
Delay in announcing Date
In the interest of avoiding civil disorder,any TRFC players sold in Jan must not leave before TRFC play Celtic. So the TRFC v Celtic match will be held on 31 Jan
And
Delay in announcing Venues
It is in the interest of Scottish football to help clubs in distress
So both semis will be held at Ibrox
In the interest of sporting integrity the final will be held at Celtic Park if TRFC qualify and at Hampden if Celtic qualify
Delay in announcing anything
There will be no announcement until TRFC go into Admin which is likely to be shortly after they fail to meet the Dec payroll
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Goosy
Thats not far off the suspicions the fans of the other clubs in the tie will have as we wait longer and longer for what is surely a straightfoward enough decision.
As someone mentioned on another forum, the first match out of the hat would presumably be Saturday with the “Old Firm” (sorry) game therefore on Sunday. But suspicions are things will be arranged to whatever suits a) clubs in distress and b) the saviour of our national game (return of a fixture the media will dub “Old Firm”) after all the other semi final is inconsequential is it not? š
Also I await with interest the venues and whether once again Glasgow proves to be the only possible venue for anything significant in the “Scottish” Football scene. š
GoosyGoosy says:
November 25, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Delay in announcing Venues
It is in the interest of Scottish football to help clubs in distress
So both semis will be held at Ibrox
In the interest of sporting integrity the final will be held at Celtic Park if TRFC qualify and at Hampden if Celtic qualify
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Surely the final will be at Ibrox if Celtic qualify? In the interests of helping a distressed club?
All this talk of Lowland leagues 5 levels etc ..the coin finally drops!
I confess to having scratched my head for months on why they haven’t gone down the brand new club route … I know i am slow but it has only just dawned on me despite the overpowering footballing , economic and legal case for doing it why the RFC fans / elite etcetc haven’t yet or won’t countenance setting up a brand new club or entity and certainly will do everything in their power NEVER to let the existing one be liquidised ‘again’.
Doing simple math it makes 10inaro across the city almost a racing cert!
Too high risk a strategy ….There you have it ..Simples!
Cygnus X2 says:
November 25, 2014 at 2:36 am
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SPFL come down hard on Livingston for:-
1. Director having an interest in more than one club
2. Irregular payments to players
3. Defaulting on tax obligations
Points penalty and a fine imposed.
Good too see all clubs being treated fairly and equally.
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SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster said: āThe tax default and reporting rules are an integral part of maintaining a fair league competition.ā
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Cygnus X2 (and others).
It may be we’re being a little glass half empty here (and I’m putting my tin hat on as I type); at least there are sanctions in place for not notifying the SPFL of a tax default….maybe that’s why Rangers have been paying up this time round.
Any attempt to financially help a club that is skint because itās overspent in order to pump every other club in the lower leagues / gain instant promotion (albeit unsuccessfully pump every other club) should receive a fine. Going rate is Ā£10,000 for an ineligible player for 90min, so an FFP ineligible season should work out at Ā£ ______________ (fill in at your own discretion)
Stewart Regan on Mike Ashley:
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/301050-regan-rangers-financial-position-is-concerning-for-scottish-game/
Stewart Regan breaks cover wrt Rangers/Ashley but no mention of any discussions wrt Ashley/influence…surprisingly (not)
http://m.stv.tv/sport/301050-regan-rangers-financial-position-is-concerning-for-scottish-game/
parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm
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Cygnus X2 says:
November 25, 2014 at 2:36 am
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SPFL come down hard on Livingston for:-
1. Director having an interest in more than one club
2. Irregular payments to players
3. Defaulting on tax obligations
Points penalty and a fine imposed.
Good too see all clubs being treated fairly and equally.
āāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāāā
SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster said: āThe tax default and reporting rules are an integral part of maintaining a fair league competition.ā
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Cygnus X2 (and others).
It may be weāre being a little glass half empty here (and Iām putting my tin hat on as I type); at least there are sanctions in place for not notifying the SPFL of a tax defaultā¦.maybe thatās why Rangers have been paying up this time round.
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But what happens if a Club DO let the SPFL know they have defaulted on tax- say perhaps mentioning it over dinner in one of Glasgow’s more expensive restaurants?
parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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Stewart Regan breaks cover wrt Rangers/Ashley but no mention of any discussions wrt Ashley/influenceā¦surprisingly (not)
http://m.stv.tv/sport/301050-regan-rangers-financial-position-is-concerning-for-scottish-game/
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Correction, too late to edit…having now actually listened to the interview š³ discussions re Ashley influence “ongoing” and discussions re Rangers financial position (with David Somers) also on-going…so that’s cleared that up
parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:36 pm
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parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:26 pm
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Stewart Regan breaks cover wrt Rangers/Ashley but no mention of any discussions wrt Ashley/influenceā¦surprisingly (not)
http://m.stv.tv/sport/301050-regan-rangers-financial-position-is-concerning-for-scottish-game/
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Correction, too late to editā¦having now actually listened to the interview š³ discussions re Ashley influence āongoingā and discussions re Rangers financial position (with David Somers) also on-goingā¦so thatās cleared that up
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He mentioned “the Club” and “Rangers Football Club”
Does that the SFA are promoting TRFC as being RFC and also saying that ‘the business and the Club’ are the same?????
Tune in for next weeks episode of Soap…
parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm
…and Iām putting my tin hat on as I type…
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This isn’t an observation on your post, or the posts you’re responding to, but I do increasingly think that Planet Fitba is neatly divided between those who need to wear tin hats and those who simply prefer the tinfoil variety.
Danish Pastry says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:24 pm
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Any attempt to financially help a club that is skint because itās overspent in order to pump every other club in the lower leagues / gain instant promotion (albeit unsuccessfully pump every other club) should receive a fine. Going rate is Ā£10,000 for an ineligible player for 90min, so an FFP ineligible season should work out at Ā£ ______________ (fill in at your own discretion)
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Erm…is it not the case, that the SFA claim there is no ‘sporting advantage’ by any club that ‘over spends’ ??
(but there is a sporting advantage if one signature – out of two signatures, which was clearly a mistake – is missing from a form for playing in the Scottish Cup) !!!!????
So there are discussions then! That’s a breakthrough in itself. The last time the SFA just did what they were telt!
Goosy,
I note you assumed regan’s impact was positive. What could have led you to such an interpretation? I thought he was spot on personally! š
Matty Roth says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:28 pm
But what happens if a Club DO let the SPFL know they have defaulted on tax- say perhaps mentioning it over dinner in one of Glasgowās more expensive restaurants?
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There’s a whole section on obligations to HMRC in the SPFL rules (can’t think why š ) E27 appears to be the appropriate one here…
“A club may apply to the board for an extension of time to conclude a Time To Pay agreement…The board have absolute discretion whether to refuse or approve an application, and if the board choose to approve an application it may impose such conditions as it determines…”
I can’t help but think that rather than Rangers, Dundee FC may have inspired this one.
IIRC Callum Melville negotiated a time to pay with HMRC in December 2009 for I think a six month period…this did not become common knowledge until DFC went into admin in September 2010…it looks as though HMRC took a punt on Dundee getting promotion in 2009 and it didn’t work out.
Presumably why the SFL hit Dundee with a 25 point deduction…HMRC allowed Dundee a competitive advantage and they were only narrowly pipped to promotion by ICT….also sheds some light IMO on their (HMRC) subsequent behaviour wrt RFC…hoping something would turn up ā
Regan interview
Verbatim quote
Rangers have got a strong economic impact not just for Glasgow but for Scotland generally and in that regard I know that the fans are desperate to see success again
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Put into plain English this is saying that a SUCCESSFUL “Rangers” is good for Scotland because it contributes more to the economy and makes its fans less desperate
This has only one meaning
Successful = getting to semis and finals and winning trophies thus generating income (for who?……. Scotland?)
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Or put another way
An unsuccessful “Rangers” with desperate fans is detrimental to the Scottish economy
So Mr Regan
Can we conclude that it is in all our interests for “Rangers” to be successful?
not just to survive or even to be playing in the SPFL
But to be successful
…i.e. winning things?
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So now we know
It is the duty of the SFA to do all it can to make “Rangers” successful and their fans less desperate
Like
Threatening Armageddon if Sevco didn`t get into the SPL
Rigging the LNS enquiry
Hiding the 5 Way Agreement
Inventing the Bryson Rule
Selectively breaking other rules
Reconstructing the leagues
Not pursuing Whyte for unpaid fines
Hiding unpaid taxes from UEFA
Ignoring dog whistles to the Loonies
Turnbull Hutton was spot on when asked what he thought about the SFA
CORRUPT
Jake Cantona says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:58 pm
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parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm
ā¦and Iām putting my tin hat on as I typeā¦
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This isnāt an observation on your post, or the posts youāre responding to, but I do increasingly think that Planet Fitba is neatly divided between those who need to wear tin hats and those who simply prefer the tinfoil variety.
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I’m taking no chances….now busy lining my tin hat with tinfoil š
Things must be terminal if Mr Regan has broken cover. And with the same deluded line as before. Anyone found their head zips, yet?
Smugas says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:06 pm
So there are discussions then! Thatās a breakthrough in itself. The last time the SFA just did what they were telt!
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‘Discussions’ you say ?
I wonder if Ashley also employs a ‘Head of Communications’ ?
So when Regan is trying to engage in a reasonable discussion;
– his first 3 emails are just blanked by the HofC
– he only gets a response when Regan’s email is copied to all and sundry
– the HofC replies with a dismissive, evasive reply
– the HofC makes belittling / misleading comments on Twitter ?
Regan’s ‘discussions’ with Ashley could very well be frustrating.
Have patience Regan, keep battering away and don’t give up !
And there’s always the scatter gun approach if you don’t get a sensible response… š
hands up if you’d give them a hand up.
jimlarkin says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:01 pm
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It’s pure bonkers Jim :weejobbyicon:
Just read the Regan interview on the STV website. If that’s all he has to say he should have said nothing at all. He is completely unfit for purpose. Sickening, utterly sickening.
On second thoughts…
“Rangers have got a strong economic impact not just for Glasgow but for Scotland generally”
He’s right. Wasn’t it Ā£10 for every man, woman and child in Scotland?
From the Stewart Regan interview….
“The next stage is to meet with Mike and his advisers and obviously get some clarification around some of the concerns we have got.
“We have a situation in our articles which prevents dual interests in football clubs. We gave Mike Ashley the ability to have up to 10 per cent shareholding in the club.
“As part of that, there was a commitment there would be no management or influence at Rangers Football Club.
“Clearly we want to have a better understanding of his position in that regard.” Regan said.
Err….let me help you here Stewart…there is management and he does have an influence…you know what you need to do…don’t you… ā ā ā
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/sfa-chief-stewart-regan-admits-4694522?
Regan:
āWe would all like to see Rangers back to their winning ways as quickly as possible and to improve their financial position in order to bring more money to the game of football in Scotland.ā
Scandalous statement !!!
Flocculent Apoidea says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:32 pm
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On second thoughtsā¦
āRangers have got a strong economic impact not just for Glasgow but for Scotland generallyā
Heās right. Wasnāt it Ā£10 for every man, woman and child in Scotland?
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Wasn’t that if Celtic spent a fiver?
Utterly shocking from Regan.
Except that nobody’s shocked.
Aren’t there now rules to prevent Rangers “winning ways”, as Livingston have just discovered?
sixtaeseven says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:40 pm
Regan:
āWe would all like to see Rangers back to their winning ways as quickly as possible …”
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Can’t access that article for some reason.
If that is indeed a correct quote…then Regan MUST apologise ASAP, at the very least.
So we can infer that Regan doesn’t want to see e.g. Aberdeen or Dundee United return to their former winning ways…but he wants to see ‘Rangers’ winning ?!
And this from the CEO of the governing body ?
Unbelievable.
parttimearab says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:32 pm
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From the Stewart Regan interviewā¦.
āThe next stage is to meet with Mike and his advisers and obviously get some clarification around some of the concerns we have got.
āWe have a situation in our articles which prevents dual interests in football clubs. We gave Mike Ashley the ability to have up to 10 per cent shareholding in the club.
āAs part of that, there was a commitment there would be no management or influence at Rangers Football Club.
āClearly we want to have a better understanding of his position in that regard.ā Regan said.
Errā¦.let me help you here Stewartā¦there is management and he does have an influenceā¦you know what you need to doā¦donāt youā¦ ā ā ā
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/sfa-chief-stewart-regan-admits-4694522?
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Getting into secret agreement territory now. What are the odds on a ‘confidentiality agreement’ to make sure MA is accomodated?
Phew! That’s a relief.
Regan is on the case!
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Flocculent Apoidea says:
November 25, 2014 at 7:20 pm
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Things must be terminal if Mr Regan has broken cover. And with the same deluded line as before. Anyone found their head zips, yet?
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As a very old-fashioned chap, it’s buttons for me, none of these new-fangled zippy things.
Apart from a new, start up Govan club, Scottish football would benefit greatly from a radically different, start-up governing body as well ! š
Stewart Stewart.
Start again its Uncle Mike in the new milieu you find yourself in. Not like plain honest Charles.
Learn your manners afore the new saviour.
Oh and forget the Rogano it may well be a chip van on the A1. More his territory.
I have now watched Stewart Reganās interview 4 times and think that the reaction to it on here is extreme.
His answers as the SFA CEO to the actual questions asked, especially in the context of a Northern Irish interviewer asking them on behalf of the large number of Rangers fans in that country, are perfectly acceptable in isolation to the questions themselves.
The aspect that I was most interested in was how the SFA were dealing with the current issues facing Rangers and his interview outlined, to me anyway, the following:
1. that the SFA will not allow Dual Interests in Clubs
2. that Ashley was allowed up to a 10% shareholding with the caveat that there must be no management of or influence over the club and that they are concerned that this was not being adhered to and want to clarify the position
3. that the SFA know Rangers are in financial trouble and are asking Somers for clarification.
He was pretty open and transparent and could quite legitimately have said No Comment considering he was at the IFAB meeting.
On the other aspects.
Rangers do have an economic impact on the game (and further) throughout Scotland. You cannot castigate them for spending Ā£70m in 2 years and then denying that as fact.
The Rangers fans are desperate for success and stability. A fair comment.
What would those critical of his answers have wanted him to say to those queries?
weeman says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
What would those critical of his answers have wanted him to say to those queries?
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Tell them to get them to Ffffffffffffffffffffff….rance?
weeman says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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“…Regan [sic] was pretty open and transparent…”
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Not biting. š
Wee man,
I haven’t posted for a very long time but feel the need to comment on your post.
Firstly, Regan should not be wishing success on “The Rangers” anymore than any other club in Scottish football.
Secondly, I doubt very much of the 70 million you talk of was spread throughout the scottish game. And thirdly, he should not be coming out with this nonsense just because he’s in NI. And playing to the blue pound when he’s continuously ignored his true customers, ie us the Scottish fans, for the last 3years.
As for what we think he should have said? Well , how about “a well run sustainably run The Rangers will be welcome in Scotland ,at all grounds , where they will have the same chance of success as everyone else and may the best team win!!!
Everything about his answers is wrong and it’s blindness to this is what’s causing animosity and stopping the possibility of reconciliation with “The Rangers”. They are NOT. A special case. I know they have been treated as on for many years but. The games a bogey and it’s not on anymore. We all want an even playing field. Rant over.
ā¢ weeman says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Rangers do have an economic impact on the game (and further) throughout Scotland. You cannot castigate them for spending Ā£70m in 2 years and then denying that as fact.
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Ha haā¦funny guy!
The point is not what was spent; the point is how that spend benefits Scottish Football. It benefited only players, management and specific shareholders of Rangers Football Club!
weeman says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Rangers do have an economic impact on the game (and further) throughout Scotland. You cannot castigate them for spending Ā£70m in 2 years and then denying that as fact.
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But has that expenditure been beneficial for, or detrimental to, the game in Scotland taken as a whole?
weeman says:
November 25, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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I have now watched Stewart Reganās interview 4 times and think that the reaction to it on here is extreme.
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Hats off for expressing what will probably be an unpopular view on here…imo we could do with a little more of that…you can borrow my tinfoil lined tin hat if you like… š
However if the SFA “will not allow Dual Interests in Clubs” then the conversation with Mr Ashley and his legal representatives should have been rather short and possibly not very sweet.
Presumably it didn’t occur to them that there are more ways to exert control over a business other than holding shares.
Sadly I think the expression “too big to fail” still echoes round the board table at Hampden.