Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin


Homunculus October 10, 2016 at 22:02 ALLYJAMBO OCTOBER 10, 2016 at 21:52 …

Comment on Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin by Allyjambo.

October 10, 2016 at 22:02

ALLYJAMBO OCTOBER 10, 2016 at 21:52 ===============================
I believe you are correct, as it was last reported. What has happened since then, I have no idea.
I was really just making the point that the whole “holding company” structure is basically designed to protect the interests of the shareholders (of the holding company) to the detriment of the creditors (of the subsidiary).

Thanks for the response and clarification, Homunclus. It’s amazing how much we have all learned during this saga, sadly much of it isn’t in any way reassuring over the way business/company law works.

I had wondered while writing if the assets were still in TRFC’s name, we have no sure way of knowing, but charges of gratuitous alienation must surely follow if insolvency is on the cards, and no on would allow themselves to end up in that soup, would they?

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Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin
I’ve seen hints on twitter, and now JJ has blogged it as fact, but it seems difficult to believe as it would be quite sensational, so, can anyone confirm that Celtic are refusing to sell tickets for the New Year Derby unless they see evidence that all is well with the stand roofs? If true, I am sure Celtic will try to keep a lid on it until confirmation, one way or the other, is received, but if it leaks (the story not the roof)in a more confirmed way, it could be disastrous for TRFC even if the rumours of the dodgy roofs are inaccurate/exaggerated.

I tend to read these claims with a ‘wishful thinking’ override – that’s my wishful thinking – so, as much as it would point me in the direction of jelly and ice cream… anyone with inside knowledge?

Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin
I’m getting PMGB’s site without any problems.

For those interested, he’s saying that he has been informed that TRFC have received a missive from Glasgow Council asking very precise questions over the roofs, requiring very precise answers. They have not yet replied. Phil’s information, in fact, says they have been unable to put together a suitable reply.

VAT, Barton, roofs, invoices…what next? Oh yes, wages! Banana skins all, will they all be dodged?

Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin
CHRISTYBOYOCTOBER 12, 2016 at 22:11 
Another thing I was wondering about all this. Is it likely that a confidentiality clause would have to be signed prior to the likes of MW, SR and JB being taken on rather than running the risk of it not being signed when things go sour ? 

I doubt people in positions like Warburton and Robertson would move to a company that would look for such an agreement as it might indicate things are not as rosey as promised,  they’d be more inclined to insist such stipulations be covered by a clause that pays them for their silence, should they leave under a cloud. It would probably make no difference to Barton as he is just as likely to say ‘publish and be damned’ anyway!

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StevieBC 8th May 2020 at 12:54

I think your point was addressed in page 2 of the SPFL letter, Stevie, (sorry, can't copy and paste it) in the paragraph that begins, 'Several of us have also been asked…' where it ends by saying that they can't comment until after the EGM, which I think would naturally be the case.

Can I say that the SPFL board do not seem to have missed TRFC, and in particular Stewart Robertson, and hit the wall. It is also clear from the paragraph I refer to that some of the clubs, at least, share our view that TRFC's actions are/were 'bringing the game into disrepute'. There appears to be genuine anger within the ranks of the SPFL, though it looks like Robertson has been set up to be the sacrificial lamb (or lump under the carpet) and may be used to deflect the full repercussions from the club he was acting on behalf of. 

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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 11:49 Allyjambo, all that’s a possible for sure but I just feel that for some fans it doesn’t matter if you wear the green and grey hoops or an orange away top you will fit your views around certain events in Scottish football to suit predetermined opinions/conspiracies. Scottish football is facing an uncertain future, as is our society, and the way Rangers have went about things has been an absolute embarrassment. I just can not see what they are hoping to achieve. Stay safe.


I agree that many/most supporters of all clubs (even ones who conflate grey with white) form their opinions around whatever suits their argument, it is more or less the same in every aspect of life, but as you say, TRFC's vindictive attempt at achieving goodness knows what is an absolute embarrassment, especially to thinking bears; and Celtic, whether through integrity or just having smarter people at the top, are extremely unlikely to ever make such a pig's ear of trying to 'encourage' others to facilitate their required outcome.

Hope you stay safe, too.

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incredibleadamspark 8th May 2020 at 10:38

While Celtic may well have done their level best to ensure TRFC were not handed the league title I very much doubt they'd have come up with the amateurish 'dossier' type 'evidence' that TRFC have produced. For one thing, they wouldn't have had to try too hard to come up with some sort of leverage, such as Resolution12, or even threaten, privately, to raise the good old secret 5 Way Agreement. 

I'm pretty certain that Celtic could, if they so wished, end the Great Lie and finish off, not only TRFC, but also all those who aided and abetted them while involved in the game's governance in 2012 and for some time before and after. They could also just threaten to raise Financial Fair Play with UEFA showing how TRFC signed players they couldn't afford (even after they'd posted such disastrous, touch and go UEFA compliant, Accounts) that enabled them to go so far in the UEFA Cup.

It certainly appears that Celtic have little to fear from TRFC's vindictiveness in terms of honesty and rule breaking, while the opposite is true the other way round, which is why they, TRFC, have had to go after their erstwhile friends at Hampden.

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Is there any posters on here that think TRFC's long awaited 'Dossier' was worth the wait, or does everyone agree that every doubt expressed as to the likelihood of it containing any 'smoking gun' evidence was right on the money?

I've not read it, and never will, but every critique I've read so far makes it clear that no one has found anything in it that should worry the two named SPFL board members, or anyone else involved (other than Stewart Robertson, TRFC's own man) and that it's nothing more than, at best, a list of questions to be answered, if anyone has the time.

Most notably, the distinct lack of any suggestion of 'bullying', far and away the most serious of the 'leaked' allegations, appears to be missing.

I have to say, though, that in my distrust of the game's governors I am a tad disappointed in it's patheticness*, as a can of worms once opened is very difficult to close, allowing more worms out that may at first have been sought. Anyone else feel the same way?

*Not an actual word, maybe, but then TRFC are not actually the club they claim to be either, so it's alright, see!

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Tweet from Graham Spiers

"Key part of Rangers’ accusatory statement of April 11: “bullying”. That is a very serious allegation about #SPFL governance. I’m wading through this RFC “dossier” trying to find evidence of “bullying” but haven’t found it yet. But give it time."

I'm sure page 200 will provide the smoking gun and it will take some time for all who have the dossier to reach mail

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