Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin

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STEVIEBCOCTOBER 11, 2016 at 17:01   Phil is allegedly, implying – in …

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STEVIEBCOCTOBER 11, 2016 at 17:01  
Phil is allegedly, implying – in writing – that there are issues wrt the last 2 quarters of VAT payments.
Well, if he is not quickly forced to take down this particular post…then we all need to stock up on the popcorn !  

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Interestingly today’s Daily Record has regurgitated an old story about a number of Celtic figures being involved n a tax avoidance scheme with a film company. Even though this is news at least a couple of years old, they have gone with a front page headline, following an ‘investigation’.  I have no time for any sort of tax avoidance other than that which is legally permitted, so tough sh*t to anyone who gets caught in anything dodgy. However the Record headline is misleading to say the least. There is no question at all that any of these figures did not pay all tax due on their earnings with Celtic, or that the club did anything improper. It has the smell of a planted story all over it. You don’t suppose there might be a big tax story directly related to another Scottish football club about to hit. do you?!!!!!!

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Accountability, Transparency, & Brave Sir Robin
Just heard on the news there that plans for the rebuild of the main stand at Tynecastle have been approved, and work will start soon. Isn’t it amazing what can be achieved at a club when the fans rally round to save it and don’t blame everyone else, and you get the right people in charge. 


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BIG PINKOCTOBER 11, 2016 at 01:11  
Heard tonight, from a reliable but not un-conflicted source, that the hat is being passed round by King and his board. Much hope was placed in Brian Kennedy to provide the resources that might allow a charge for European footie next season. Alas that ship may have sailed.
Medium term strategy has now been replaced by a short-term one, and although there is concern with regard to liquidity, cashing in on some assets in January is now the main plank of the ‘stay alive’ strategy – those asset sales funding repayment of any loans raised this month to pay the bills.

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My opinion (which many within football would regard as meaningless anyway) is that they don’t have a single asset on their books they could make decent money from selling. Those free transfers and development fee signings from England are here for a reason. Not one of their players has excelled in the top league, and the comfort zone of playing Championship level teams and below is obvious. 

They have obviously looked across the city and seen the riches Celtic have made from buying small and selling big. They will also see that Celtic have signed quite a few that didn’t make it, and Celtic invest far more in their worldwide scouting than Rangers do.  As always the main problem is the media. They would have us believe that Warburton, Weir and MacParland are so good they can spot every gem from down south that no other club with immensely greater scouting resources manages to identify.  One day someone may actually point out the King has no clothes, but remember they didn’t even do that with Craig Whyte until he pointed it out himself. 


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Rumours about a large Scottish football club receiving demand letters from HMRC are growing by the day. They remain rumours, but believe me it is not idiots who are saying it. 


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Mordecai 17th August 2022 At 05:31

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The BBC did provide me with the Information Commissioner’s contact details in the event I wanted to take the matter further and I have indeed done just that! I really can’t see how in the event that a publicly funded organisation has used public money to gain media access to a football club that we don’t have a right to know. If they haven’t done so I believe we also have the right to know given this payment for media access was a known issue last season.


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A few weeks ago, after the BBC published its groveling apology towards Ibrox, I asked under Freedom of Information whether (a) they have paid licence fee money to gain media access at Ibrox, and (b) whether any other Scottish club charges them for media access. They responded basically saying they don’t have to tell me, as journalism is not covered by the FOI act. I find this incredible given that if they have paid for access, they will have used money contributed by all licence fee payers. Also, does paying for access compromise their right to apply the same level of analysis as they do to clubs who don’t charge?

Edit: I see a fans forum online claiming the charge has been ditched ‘quietly’.


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John Clark 6th August 2022 At 23:42

But my deepest scorn is for those in the SMSM who ought, ought as a matter of journalistic duty, as being the very essence of ‘journalism’, to have got right into the stupid, stupid, lie that a football club in Liquidation was somehow still participating in Scottish Football as if it had not died!

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For me the most disappointing thing is journalists who we know are not cheerleaders for all things Ibrox, being cowed into submission, I could mention them here, but basic human decency makes me know they have a job, and a family, and an employer who is beholden to all things ‘Rangers’. However, they really need to ask themselves why they ever bothered becoming journalists in the first place, because the ‘seeking the truth others don’t want to hear’ claim really doesn’t hold water! They’ve sold their soul, and they know it!


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Big Pink 6th August 2022 At 09:41

Seems unlikely that Morelos is part owned by anyone else. However there’s only way of testing either theory is if he is transferred, and that seems an ever decreasing outcome given all we have talked about for the last four years is how much he will be offloaded for.
Also, what happens if he runs goes contract down? Would that mean that the 14% would also disappear?
Just doesn’t sound right at all.

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You may well be right, however given all that’s come to pass since 2012 I don’t think it can be ruled out either. If it is a breach of the SFA’s registration procedures what confidence would we have the SFA would do anything about it anyway? The absurd LNS investigation springs to mind. Also, the SFA themselves found there was a case to answer regarding the award of a European licence in 2011, then went on to just drop the case!

The tax thieving American businesswoman Leona Helmsley once said “taxes are for the little people”. In the same way, SFA rules are for the little people, who are every other club bar the one playing out of Ibrox. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.


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Wokingcelt 28th July 2022 At 21:13

Taking a step back you have to ask what on earth has gone on here. I am fairly confident that the UK Government will face a public inquiry (or is that enquiry – I can never get that one right!) over Covid loans and procurements made. Not saying that it will put right the wrongs but at least there will be a report. I have zero confidence that any such inquiry will be held in Scotland to account for the untold millions – by my reckoning north of £100m which if scaled up would be north of £1.2bn in UK terms. And all for a football club – totally unconscionable.

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The Scottish Government have said an independent inquiry will be held once all the legal processes are complete. The trouble is, how do you guarantee true independence in such a matter in Scotland? Nothing should be more independent than the Police and the legal system yet that is what will be under scrutiny. I doubt the Scottish Government will want any inquiry to say that there is institutional bias towards ‘Rangers’ because that would then lead to so many other questions. I suspect a lot more taxpayers money will be spent on a whitewash, with the real truth emerging in 30 years time. The very fact that so many politicians and media commentators stay silent on what is an absolute scandal tells us all we need to know. If it concerned any other football club there would be outrage. Old attitudes don’t die easily, and are clearly passed down the line. We should be truly thankful that HMRC do not answer to the Scottish Government.


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