As most of you will be aware, the Guardian recently agreed to and accepted payment from CQN for an advertisement which was intended to raise awareness of the Resolution 12 issue, an issue pursued determinedly by Celtic shareholders for the last three years. Subsequently, and citing the thinnest of excuses, they decided not to run the ad. This developed hard on the heels of the Herald actually soliciting the business from the advertisers for their own paper, and then without even seeing the copy, refusing to move forward. (See CQN story here)
A troubling aspect of GuardianGate is that CQN were lied to. They were initially advised that the ad was to be removed after editorial scrutiny. Subsequently they were advised that the decision came from an intervention by senior officials.
We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry – to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.
So which was true – and which was the lie?
Here’s a thing about the truth; it is seldom complicated, which is why the failure by the Guardian and the Herald to deliver a straightforward answer implies that there may be more to this nonsense than any of us first imagined.
At this point, it is worth noting that the Guardian is currently running an ad campaign by Toyota, a company who have admitted lying to environmental regulatory bodies for years about emissions from their cars (the Guardian professes to be a major campaigner on environmental issues), but won’t accept a paying ad that asks some polite and important questions about the conduct of a multi-million pound industry.
The denial of the Res 12 guys’ right to ask questions (no accusations – just bloody questions) via the once assumed to be pluralist and free press, should be ringing alarm bells all over the country, and the substantive issue has become largely irrelevant as a consequence. We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry – to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.
Two so-called quality newspapers, have mysteriously, after touting for advertising business, refused that very same business, and have given no good reason for doing so. If the Guardian refuse to accept an ad, I don’t believe that is censorship in itself, but when the dwindling number of newspaper proprietors in this country conspire to arrange an effective blackout of ideas, that is quite clearly censorship.
And for something so relatively inconsequential as football, I can only assume that we have all stumbled on to something far more serious.
Given the recent media rhetoric about Russia Today and their forthright coverage of Chilcot and Tory Election Fraud, it seems that like so many of the players in this saga, the irony circuit in the collective press brain is now as devolved as a human tail.
There are dark forces at work in our country, and they are running riot with basic freedoms. However it is important to put the football issue into the proper perspective; if the media can go to these corrupt lengths for a game of football, what will they do to protect the capital interests of arms manufacturers, food producers and media dictatorships?
They may have lost the war, but through fix after fix at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, the authorities are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right
Migrant fruit-pickers
© Scotsman
Back in soccer La-La-Land’s Mount Florida Fruit Factory, the football authorities most definitely lost the recent war. RFC went out of business and failed the fundamental task of any football club – to sustain itself. In allowing that to happen on their watch, the authorities failed in their most fundamental role – to keep RFC alive.
However through fix after fix, at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, they are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right.
And still, even in this atmosphere, the major shareholders at all of our clubs sit and do nothing. Are they part of the problem, an integral part of the conspiracy? Or are they scared witless of the forces that may line up against them if they dare to grow a pair, like the Resolution 12 guys?
Sporting integrity has taken a back seat recently. Season ticket sales are up all over the place; Celtic provided a marquee manager; the red tops are ablaze about the ‘return’ of the Rangers; Hearts and Aberdeen are newly emerged from financial difficulty, and now enjoy the realistic prospect of new eras of success; and another competitive and exciting year beckons in the Championship.
In normal circumstances this would be fantastic news. But all of it is based on a Lie – the Lie that the game is run according to the rules, and for the benefit of all clubs. When the euphoria at Parkhead dies down; when TRFC are reinstalled (actually it will need to be with a shoehorn, but it will be done) as part of the old duopoly that sees the vital contribution made by the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen and others as insignificant; when the next major ‘bending’ of the regulations becomes necessary; all we will be left with is that Big Lie.
The clubs will eventually have to deal with that – and the complicit roles they played in ramming it down each and every one of our throats.
I hope we make them pay.
Another thing about the truth though is this;
Everyone with skin in this game, with the exception of the mentally deficient, know exactly what the truth is;
- RFC cheated;
- RFC evaded, avoided, and deliberately withheld payment of tax;
- RFC failed to register players properly over (at least) a decade;
- RFC lied to the SFA, the SPL and LNS;
- Whilst all the above was happening, RFC won over a dozen on-field prizes;
- The SFA rewrote the terms of LNS to better tailor their preferred outcome;
- RFC were punished by way of a £250k fine. No other penalties were suffered by RFC;
- RFC entered liquidation and a new club, which co-existed with RFC, began playing in competition BEFORE RFC’s SFA/SPL membership lapsed;
- That club (TRFC for differentiation purposes) just achieved promotion to the Premiership;
As long as we keep reminding everyone of those truths, as long as we continue to give them a voice, they won’t go away.
And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?
The irony (and I exclude the TRFC fans who frequent this site) is that TRFC, despite having the weight of the football and press establishments behind them, are being done no favours at all.
The increasing pariah status of their club is a sad but inevitable consequence of the wrong-doing by the old club, because the fans (understandably to be fair) seek to side with their own partisan interests in the face of outside hostility.
But think of this. If the initial-ism ‘RFC’ above was replaced by the name of any other club in the country, wouldn’t TRFC fans be complaining as loudly as the rest of us?
And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?
What if they run roughshod over the same rules that were broken before but remain unfixed? What if, as a consequence, a compliant TRFC are denied an opportunity to play in Europe, or compete in a final, or win a league?
Will we then still be ‘Rangers haters’ if we protest about that or merely Hearts or Dons or Celtic haters?
This is not about revenge – it never has been – and no amount of wishful thinking will make it so. For most of us on SFM, there is no RFC to have our revenge on anyway, so the accusation makes no sense.
What we are about, what we are all about, is weeding out the clucken wort in Scotland’s football garden on level six at Hampden.
And it appears that some extraordinarily powerful individual or group, with enough muscle to bend the fourth estate to their will, wants to keep us all away from that garden..
…also explains where MW has been over the last few weeks.
Hirsute,
No it doesn’t. Warburton had a pre-arranged holiday in the US starting the Wednesday after the Cup final(Wow, look at that. Sunshine on Leith). I think that would overlap with the Pro license course.
Reiver
I have no idea what was in the final part of the course – but I do know that it started in 2014 and was due to complete in June of this year.
Others on the course – like JFH – have been quiet on twitter and their club website since early May.
Whether MW was in the USA or somewhere in Englandshire – I have no clue.
I do know that he was due to complete the UEFA Pro Course this month.
The signing of Clint Hill – presumably via his course connection with JFH – suggests that he was working on his course and is still actively involved with TRFC
Might all be a huge coincidence – but probably more likely not.
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JOHN CLARKJUNE 18, 2016 at 23:48 torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958)June 18, 2016 at 22:49‘……Seems that TRFC are having problems wrt guaranteeing they have the funding to see out next season ….’____________Who would be looking for the ‘guarantee’? The SFA?Or the SPFL? Or both?……..If the Twitter chatter is based on fact.Have any of the SMSM picked up on the chatter? ( can you hear my hollow laugh? ) ++++++++++++++++++++++ I doubt if this is anything to do with the SFA or SPFL (although it probably should be). Perhaps some of the Directors are wary of taking payments in advance for a product that they know they may not be able to deliver? That could have consequences for them personally, if a liquidator felt there had been wrongful trading. Or maybe Zebra want assurances. If you pay by credit or debit card these days, and the “goods” aren’t delivered, the cardholder is entitled to their money back. I’m guessing that 90% of Season tickets are paid for by credit or debit card these days, so whoever makes the repayments in the event of TRFC going bust and not delivering the full number of games could take a big hit. The distinction between renewals and new business puzzles me. I thought that Ibrox Season Tickets were sold by default on an automatic renewal basis- I guess that’s the Continuous Credit Card Scheme referred to by TORREJOHNBHOY(@JOHNBHOY1958) above. Maybe consumers haven’t the same protections under these schemes? So renewals have less protection than new business? That’s just my guesswork, though. The cup final is starting to look like some sort of watershed for TRFC. Where’s the warchest? Where’s Warburton? The Level5 minions are sort of pretending he’s there, but if he is around, he must be invisible. Not paying Accrington Stanley some pitiful amount of compensation for a pair of Galacticos? A signing policy that is the exact opposite of Warburton’s stated policy? What’s going on?
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There seemed to be a hint that Zebra are no longer involved,Mutually Consented?.Maybe they’re having trouble finding another lender.
wrt renewals/general sale season tickets,the suggestion was that fan who had their tickets automatically renewed had already agreed in the past to terms & conditions whereas if TRFC indeed do have a problem,they can’t offer those terms & conditions to new ticket holders.Maybe for reasons you’ve stated above.
Effective organisations benefit greatly from having a clear headed individual at their helm. Over time this clarity infects the institution and its ethics and principles become ingrained through daily usage.
Football grew out of a working class which at the turn of the last century was becoming ever more self confident and which began to gain a sense of its rights and political influence. It was from this milieu that the ethics within football were nurtured and took deep root.
So well founded were these roots that the sport grew in its organisational capability. Following WWII there emerged European inter club competition. It had echoes of the men who emerged from their trenches in WWI to have a kickabout with their ‘enemy’. Deep down these men understood that they had more in common than in disparity.
European club football helped break down xenophobic barriers that had necessarily been erected during the war period. When Eintracht Frankfurt came to Glasgow in the Early sixties to play for the European Cup against Real Madrid, the occasion appears to have been lauded as a magnificent spectacle. That a German team should be playing a team from a country who were non-bellligerent during WWII did not appear to raise consternation. They seem to have been accorded a welcome and responded in suitable fashion. Even the Hungarian Ferenc Puskas was not tainted by his nationality being allied with the axis powers but instead was celebrated for the man he was.
Thus football built bridges which was very much in the vein of the international socialist ethic that arose at that time.
Football was a poor mans game. There was very little disposable income at this time and there were no significant marketing opportunities. Even advertisements were scarce since apart from cigarettes and razor blades the football fan had no financial propensity to exercise.
The people in the game at this time were in it for the love of the game. Their was no handsome remuneration I suspect but there was a kudos in being involved in institutions with a wide reach.
This has now all changed. With relative affluence has come commercial opportunities. Football has been colonised by commerce. Whilst elements such as ground improvements have benefitted greatly from increasing affluence, there have been losses also.
One volunteer is better than ten pressed men is a phrase that I have encountered during my working life in the marine industry. It harks back to a time when potential ‘recruits’ to the navy would be accosted in taverns and persuaded to take the Kings shilling. These reluctant sailors could never have the heart that a man who was fulfilling his ambition to go to sea and see the world would have.
Now we have pressed men in football administration as in so many other institutions. They are pressed by self pride and avarice to execute roles that are lucrative but have no real heart for the work. Many have forgotten that ethics, principles and rules have provided the framework upon which the current success of their businesses have been fostered. This is not red tape or bureaucracy to be discarded when felt inconvenient but rather the weft that holds the whole fabric of their institutions together. When they throw overboard principles that have been nurtured over generations they can have little appreciation of the damage they incur.
These are mercenary days. Mercenaries are convenient and perhaps essential when circumstances become precarious but they will not readily give up their lives. They will not stand upon a piece of turf and maintain its sanctity at the threat of their own and others mortality. They are pressed men and are but paltry compared to the volunteer.
Perhaps this is a time when these timeless truths must be re-instilled. All things have a season and perhaps this is a change in the weather. Those who live in the fields are more sensitive to atmospheric change than those who closet themselves in salubrious mansions. They will too late understand that change is coming. By that time change will already have occurred.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4omrzm/an_explanation_to_rsoccer_about_why_did_croatian/
Interesting.
I notice that Warbs has still not surfaced. I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the TRFC players arrived back for training on 17th June, and that they were due to fly to the USA on 18th.
Yet still no manager? Even the candid Twitter pics which started the rumour of a new signing were of the player talking to David Weir at a restaurant.
It seems pretty clear to me that something is seriously not right here. As I said earlier, Level 5 are using words like ‘disloyalty’ and ‘ingratitude’ in off the record breifings – preparing the ground for a possible spin-blitz if Warburton leaves.
Perhaps there is some brinksmanship going on with timings over ST sales and bad news delivery, but management of that gets harder the longer the guy is in hiding.
Of course it may be that we are all reading too much into this, but with the Level5 / Dave King record in the area of economy of truth, it is hardly surprising that we jump to conclusions.
If Warbs has returned for pre-season training, after a three week spell in witness protection I’d be willing to bet that the level of photo exposure in the media would be at Defcon McCoist.
But still nothing …..
OT mention for Andy Murray, wining Queens for the fifth time today. Not just for his performance, but for his humility when talking about John McEnroe after the match.
Very much a credit to our country on almost every level.
Warburton’s silence has been a bit weird, but he certainly was at Auchenhowie for pre-season training yesterday.
It’s also certainly true that he completed his UEFApro course last week, as his family also posted a picture of him receiving his certificate towards the end of the week.
Here are a couple of SNS group pictures of Warburton arriving at Auchenhowie yesterday:
http://www.snspix.com/180616-murray-park-glasgow-rangers-manager-mark-warburton/print/12215580.html
http://www.snspix.com/180616-murray-park-glasgow-rangers-manager-mark-warburton/print/12215582.html
DUPLESISIIJUNE 19, 2016 at 17:50
Here are a couple of SNS group pictures of Warburton arriving at Auchenhowie yesterday:
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But was he there just to pick up his stuff? or did he take training
DUPLESISIIJUNE 19, 2016 at 17:50
Warburton’s silence has been a bit weird, but he certainly was at Auchenhowie for pre-season training yesterday.
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I don’t doubt he was there, but then how to explain the total silence from our intrepid journalists? After all the recent speculation, surely Level5 would have had “Radar” and a photographer ready and waiting to capture the moment.
Something is going on, I suspect.
Not sure about Level 5, but the pictures of him conducting the training are now on Rangers’ website…
http://rangers.co.uk/news/galleries/gallery-pre-season-training/
As I say, I’ve found the situation following the Cup Final to be strange, but for the moment at least he certainly appears to be back at work.
NEEPHEIDJUNE 19, 2016 at 19:47
I don’t doubt he was there, but then how to explain the total silence from our intrepid journalists? After all the recent speculation, surely Level5 would have had “Radar” and a photographer ready and waiting to capture the moment.Something is going on, I suspect.
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I’m sure the media would love to stick it to the bampots about getting it wrong about Warburton. He certainly appears to have been at Training but there has been nothing said. Even stranger is that Weir appears to be conducting transfer business.
Time will tell.
Chancery Court tomorrow.
The switcheroo lives on?
HEARING ROOM 1
Before DEPUTY MASTER LINWOOD
(Sitting on behalf of Master Price)
Monday 20th June 2016
At 10:45
Sevco 5088 Limited v Green and others
easyJamboJune 19, 2016 at 21:15
‘…Chancery Court tomorrow. The switcheroo lives on? ‘
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I’d even get on the red-eye flight ( do people still use that expression these days?) tomorrow to be there, if it were at all possible!
There’s a bit in me that would love to see the legal ownership of the assets supposedly bought by SevcoScotland confirmed as being rightly owned by Sevco 5088, and the whole pile of RIFC and the investors who bought into the share flotation left as high and dry as the debenture holders of the liquidated RFC.
When I last looked , I couldn’t find any case history to show what would happen if somebody conned the Administrators into selling the assets to an entity that had been cleverly substituted for the one that the Administrators had agreed to sell to. In this wicked world, as we have all learned, when it comes to cheating and dupery, there’s no one as smart as big-handed and big-mouthed Yorkshire tykes.
But could it really have happened, that CW was blind-sided by CG?
It used to be thought that Barristers and QCs would dissuade potential clients from bringing actions which they thought had not even a remote chance of being well-founded in law, and wouldn’t risk their reputation by accepting ridiculous briefs.
The fact that Sevco 5088 is still in there suggests that there may indeed be a case with grounds enough to sustain a seriously argued legal battle.
I hope so.
Any proof that the pics of Warburton taking training were from yesterday?.
Not saying they weren’t but there must be hundreds,maybe thousands of pics from last season kicking around.Any pics of him arriving,leaving,posing with the new guys from Accrington Stanley(who he’s supposedly signed),Clint Hill,even a wee pose with his No2.A wee word with the press would have been expected,even if it was the usual cliches ones come to expect.
Any TV footage of TRFC & their estranged manager returning to training?.Surely the worlds most successful club would merit a couple of minutes on STV.or even umpteen photos in this mornings press?.
CFC return tomorrow.I’ll bet they’ll be on the telly tomorrow night & pictured in the press on Tuesday.Even if it’s only a minute on the news and a few pics in the papers.And Brendan Rodgers will be the No1 attraction.
The MSM are totally pro Rangers.The lack of coverage of their 1st day back,and the feelgood factor this could have brought to their intended audience says to me there’s something wrong.
What,I don’t know but it doesn’t add up.
Barring photo shop, yes. Clint Hill is in one of the pictures with him. As I mentioned above, SNS Group also posted pictures of him arriving yesterday.
Well the pics certainly prove me wrong. SNS would not be complicit in any pic switching either so if they say he was there, he was there.
Still seems very odd indeed. Even the MSM have hinted that all is not well wrt the TRFC manager. Was he indeed on a Milk Round that was ultimately unsuccessful? Is it that he has been gagged by TRFC for some reason?
Of course they could just be messing with us 🙂
I still think it is not unreasonable to assume that a prolonged period of silence in the midst of cup finals, transfer activity and a return to training is an indication that something is not right.
In the past two weeks, at least four Premiership managers have been saying their bit in the press about signings and prospects for next term.
Amidst the post-Armageddon ‘new hope’ spin that has replaced the narrative of despair, the silence of the man who is given most credit in the MSM for that hope is incongruous t this obsessive 🙂
Might a manager in dispute with his club, but not willing to be found in breach of contract, be obliged to take training and get on with his contractual duties within the club.
While activities like talking to the media and being part of the endless Level5 Spin may not be contractual?
CastofthousandsJune 19, 2016 at 11:53
‘……It harks back to a time when potential ‘recruits’ to the navy would be accosted in taverns and persuaded to take the Kings shilling.’
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The thing is, at least the press-ganged recruits got the promised shilling from the king.
The other King? Has anyone seen him deliver on a promise to spend?
And , of course,the disreputable knobkerry-wielding men of the Navy’s press gangs were as saints and angels compared to the lickspittle Press corps of the SMSM.
The Navy of Napoleonic times was acting legally in an early form of military conscription at a time of great danger to the State.
The SMSM is acting on no basis of principle whatsoever, except that of serving to protect a rotten Sports administration which continues to support the view that a club can be simultaneously alive and dead, and that cheating in order to aid a club is perfectly all right.
That was a good , well-considered post, Cot.
I have enjoyed the ‘Where’s Warbo’ saga as much as the next one, however as I said a while back he deserved a break and being on holiday was more than a reasonable explanation for the silence.
I would warn against putting 2 and 2 to make 17 and make us look foolish.
The main thrust of the story is however why has he been so quiet, with not a word issued since cup final day. Especially given his willingness to spout forth on all matters during last season.
On Saturday Kenny McIntyre seemed happy to have Neil Warnock on Sportsound to talk about Hill and Barton. Their ex-manager was on a dodgy line having just come of a boat he was on while holidaying in Scotland.
The wonders of modern communication!!!
Whether there is trouble brewing down Govan Way or not, I for one will enjoy it if the wearer of the Magic Hat is a bit less prolific in his pontifications next season.
John ClarkJune 19, 2016 at 22:51
“That was a good , well-considered post, Cot.”
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Often when I set off on my ramblings I have little sense of my course and less of my destination, so it is gratifying to know that at times I do find a mark.
I was partly induced in my last post by a little tome I am working my way through. It is Thomas Paine’s ‘Rights of Man’. Paine was present during the US secession from the UK and was in correspondence with Benjamin Franklin at that time. His ideas influenced the US constitution. He subsequently found himself in France at the time of the French revolution and wrote this particular work in the form of two pamphlets; the first to refute the pro-monarchical and anti-revolutionary stance of UK parliamentarian Edmund Burke. Paine rails at the defects of monarchy and how it corrupts his homeland and contrasts this with the new found constitutional and democratic ethos of revolutionary France. There was one passage I felt resonated with what we have seen in our case study and your encouragement now prompts me to post a quote. Out of context it will lose its power but it may nevertheless provide a flavour.
“In mixed governments (‘elected’ or appointed monarchy) there is no responsibility: the parts cover each other until responsibility is lost; and the corruption that moves the machine, contrives at the same time its own escape. When it is laid down as a maxim, that ‘a King can do no wrong’, it places him in a state of similar security with that of idiots and persons insane, and responsibility is out of the question with respect to himself. It then descends upon the Minister, who shelters himself under a majority in parliament, which, by places, pensions, and corruption, he can always command; and that majority justifies itself by the same authority with which it protects the Minister. In this rotary motion, responsibility is thrown off from the parts, and from the whole.”
wottpiJune 19, 2016 at 23:12
‘…On Saturday Kenny McIntyre seemed happy to have Neil Warnock on Sportsound to talk about Hill and Barton…’
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And the said McIntyre was happy to replay the comedy show of a while back, with our two referees telling their oh so funny little stories about ‘Old Firm’ games !
God Almighty, they seem to have some kind of total junkie dependency on the ‘continuity old Firm’ stuff, as much as they have on the ‘continuity RFC’ stuff. They’ve got to plug it, and re-plug, and keep, like the Nazi party and subsequent purveyors of ‘new speak’, trying to drum into us a belief that Lies are the Truth.
That’s BBC Radio Scotland ‘Sportsound’ for you: a disgraceful propaganda machine for sports cheats , and those who help them cheat.
There have been wonderful controls on what the real BBC says about the EU referendum, with people really struggling to try to keep political balance.
Not a hope of balance in BBC Scotland’s football coverage. Not a hope that they will ask serious questions, not a hope that they will report accurately on the ‘saga’, not a hope that they will challenge the SFA on the Res 12 issue, not a hope that they will question the absurdity of there being ‘Rangers in Liquidation’ which somehow at the same time is the same creature as CG’s new club!
Now while we fund the newspapers only if we choose to buy them, we have no choice but to pay our licences to the BBC if we want access to our national broadcaster.
BBC Radio Scotland, in the matter of the ‘saga’, is very evidently parti pris, supporting as it does a falsehood and ignoring its duty to investigate the facts before reporting a story.
JOHN CLARKJUNE 20, 2016 at 01:12
Didn’t hear the referees one but did hear some of the original Double Acts pieces and found them entertaining. I did hear some some of the McAvenie & Miller repeat the other week.
Interesting to hear McAvennie thought he had a deal with Celtic where they would be covering his tax bill.
Totally different from not paying tax to HMRC but interesting all the same, in that players/agents even back then (and not necessarily Dutch) were trying to wangle deals on their tax liabilities.
Interesting to note that while the SMSM were full of Accrington not allowing the two new lads to train with T’Rangers, the local Lancashire press and the large English dominated outlets such as Sky etc don’t even give the story a mention.
You would have thought for such a ‘big issue’ they may have had a “AS stand firm on compensation fees due from World Record holding club’ type headline.
The only folk making an issue of it seems to be the ‘nobody likes us -we don’t care brigade’ from Govan via Level 5 and a compliant local media.
Some European news for those interested;
Hearts will play FC Infonet away in Estonia
Aberdeen draw Fola Esch of Luxembourg
Celtic will face a trip to either Estonian side Flora Tallinn or Lincoln of Gibraltar
2nd round (including Hibs) drawn later
My mate was a regular attendee at Murray Park for photos, autographs, etc . Now he goes to Auchenhowie .Did I miss the edict ? Is the publicity-shy SDM getting shyer still ?Is there a campaign to remove his name from this circus ?
Club 1872 have announced that they have just acquired 310,280 RIFC shares to take their total to 4,900,776 which represents 6.01% of the shares issued.
Their previous holding was made up of the merged former holdings of Rangers First and Rangers Supporters Trust.
What is odd about the announcement was that the trade for the 310,280 shares was made via the JP Jenkins share matching service on 16 May. They paid 25.5p a share (£79K) for them so it’s not a particularly significant investment or change in strategy.
It is likely that the bulk of the free funds held by Club 1872 will be destined for a loan to the club, if it hasn’t happened already.
Just to complete the Euro news for today.
Hibernian will meet Valur Reykjavik or Danish side Brondby in the second qualifying round.
If Aberdeen progress they will take on Lithuanian side FK Ventspils or Vikingur from the Faroe Islands.
Hearts could play Birkirkara of Malta or NK Siroki Brijeg (Bosnia).
Decent draws I would suggest, although are Brondby sounds a toughie – if they are anything approaching the club they used to be? I believe neither Aberdeen or Hearts would be seeded in the 3rd round should they get through.
No mention of it in press reports, but does anyone know if Celtic were smart enough to have a sell-on clause inserted when Wanyama went to Southampton?
It’s interesting that I would see this as a wise thing to do, yet when it was mentioned in a business context in respect of the land sale to the knighted cheat, such an ‘anti embarrassment agreement’ was seen as bad practice.
The end of Resolution 12?
No action being taken on the basis that Rangers has incurred a 3 year ban as a newco.
It sort of misses the point completely.
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1358026-uefa-won-t-investigate-resolution-12-rangers-euro-licence-claims/
EASYJAMBOJUNE 20, 2016 at 15:12
The end of Resolution 12?
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“UEFA will not investigate allegations that Rangers were incorrectly awarded a licence to play in European competition in the 2011/12 season.A statement to STV draws a line under the matter from the governing body’s point of view..”
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Not necessarily – but doesn’t look promising on the face of it.
However, IMO, the ball is now firmly back in CFC’s court re: Resolution 12 as an ‘open’ AGM Agenda Action, [IIRC].
Would Lawwell now be obliged to state either that it is being dropped now – or is still ‘live’ from CFC’s point of view ?
With the ST sales achieved, I could cynically guess what choice he will make…
The STV story is yet another exercise in walking on eggshells, tortuously trying to avoid the ‘new club’ monicker. Sounds like some closed questions have been used and shoehorned to suit the narrative.
It sounds as though they have asked UEFA if Rangers are in danger of a Euro ban, and that UEFA have told them that the old club couldn’t be banned as a consequence of
“the administration of the club and the events and measures that followed “.
As the Res 12 guys have said ovr and over again, it has nothing to do with RFC or TRFC, but everything to do with mal-governance of the game in Scotland.
My attitude to STV story is “garbage in – garbage out”. Ask the correct questions ffs.
I have always been of the opinion that a Crowd Funded (Supporters) Judicial Review is the only way to get to the truth. UEFAs behaviour has not surprised me in the slightest nor has CFCs behaviour.
Cheating HAS occurred and we the fans have to take this to court, to embarrass the people who call themselves custodians of our clubs, who are actually complicit in the illegal sport we love.
Sent at 1645
I note reports saying the Compo money for Windass and Crooks has been agreed.
Since the weekend either AS have capitulated very quickly and supplied the information to Ibrox as ‘demanded’
OR
The Magic Hat fresh from his holiday has told his board to get his finger out and stop pissing about as he has a season to prepare for.
ZAM1
It is easy to say that a judicial review is what is needed but what would be the objective points to be reviewed. More importantly what level of proof would it be able to find. If you know of legal proof to the malfeasance let us hear it. I for one would act on it should it be valid and have provenance.
This is a serious question I am asking.
The UEFA statement is probably about right enough, IF they were asked if they would be investigating Rangers(I.L.)
However, as they point out, A one year ban would possibly have followed if malfeasance found, but as they never applied for a 2012 license, and entered administration and measures that followed (i.e Liquidation), what would be the point.
The new entity entered the bottom tier, and were ineligible to apply for the next three years.(Not a ban but an entrance criteria failing)
In no way does it address Res 12, but it does appear to address @STV Grant’s emails.
I smell a big hairy ST squirrel.
NAWLITE asked: No mention of it in press reports, but does anyone know if Celtic were smart enough to have a sell-on clause inserted when Wanyama went to Southampton?It’s interesting that I would see this as a wise thing to do, yet when it was mentioned in a business context in respect of the land sale to the knighted cheat, such an ‘anti embarrassment agreement’ was seen as bad practice.
I think it has been reported that Celtic stand to make about £1 million if the sale goes through.
By all accounts they have a sale on agreement for all 3 sales to Southampton.
EASYJAMBOJUNE 20, 2016 at 15:12
The end of Resolution 12?
No action being taken on the basis that Rangers has incurred a 3 year ban as a newco.
It sort of misses the point completely.
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1358026-uefa-won-t-investigate-resolution-12-rangers-euro-licence-claims/
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If this is indeed the end
The blame can be laid at the door of the Celtic Board who treated their fans with contempt throughout and cynically
encouraged hope in the last 2 months for money reasons
Boy
Am I glad I never renewed my 3 STs
Three good bits of business from TRFC in fixing up Wallace, Barton, and (probably) Cranjcar.
All three are very good players. Barton is getting on a bit and has suspect temperament, but Wallace has been their outstanding performer since they began life in 2012. Cranjcar is a very good player too. Never quite hit the heights I expected him too. Of course there may be reasons for that hidden in his personality, but I think he will do well in Scotland.
Once again though, the spending power of TRFC belies and defies their resource pool. (Scratches head)
I’m reading many informed people saying tonight a ‘very interesting’ letter from UEFA has been received over Resolution 12. I imagine it goes far deeper than the STV statement and I’m sure its contents will become public in due course.
TRISIDIUMJUNE 20, 2016 at 18:07
Once again though, the spending power of TRFC belies and defies their resource pool. (Scratches head)
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In the early part of the 2011/2012 season Rangers awarded massive contracts to Steven Whittaker and Allan McGregor while choosing not to pay the social taxes they were obliged by law to pay. They always seem to find money from somewhere, and it must be great knowing the media will never query where it’s coming from.
Just saying…
Surely now that according to UEFA, rangers going into liquidation was a major factor in the case going further.Then that should mean that the pretendy gers will have to remove all those stars from the jersey and all those demented fans can now stop saying UEFA say were the same club as they clearly do not, give up all those title and stop claiming to be the most successful club in the world as they can now only be viewed as a new club if UEFA thought they were the same club then they would have to pursue the motion.They are what chucky green said they were sevco a basketcase of assets.
GoosyGoosy
This isn’t the end as far as I’m concerned.
In fact UEFA have perhaps opened a door for us. They are implicitly suggesting that, had it not been for liquidation, action would have been taken against the club. So, having accepted that, we don’t have to prove that side of it we just now need to ask what was the SFA’s involvement in it all?
In all the excitement I forgot to mention I received my “Persistence beats Res12tance” T-shirt today.
Wearing it tomorrow.
King has released the first of his drip-fest Q&A
http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/dave-king-fan-response-1/#.V2hSDpRWdfU.twitter
Ultimately, the player selection comes down to the group of players that Mark and his team show interest in and executive management then attempts to negotiate with the individual players, and their clubs if necessary.
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Freebies it is then !.
The Uefa statement mentions the word ” administration” followed by “the events and measures that followed”. Roughly translated this reads as Charlie Big Hands bought ” the history ” which was approved by SFA/SPFL. When I read the rest of the statement it reads as though only one football club is being referred to. This is how this statement by UEFA will be presented in the Scottish press.
‘A statement to STV draws a line under the matter from the governing body’s point of view, saying Rangers’ three-year exclusion from playing in Europe after going into liquidation was the major factor in a case not being pursued.’
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There is the whole rotten fruit of the Big Lie: the utter absurdity and self-contradiction of the UEFA statement.They quite clearly and deliberately are themselves lying in their perverted ‘understanding’ of what the Res 12 issue is about, and ‘answering’ questions that were not at all asked.
We believe that the SFA lied to help one club. We want the SFA done for that. We couldn’t give a tuppenny toss about whether the new club gets punished for the offences of the liquidated club.
It seems clear that it takes one corrupt body to recognise a kindred corrupt body.
And now I have to say ‘Well done, Peter Lawwell and company, in your stalwart support for a rigged organisation and a rigged game.
May it do you no good now, or later, and may Brother Walfrid find it in his heart to forgive you. For as sure as hell,I won’t.’
At least the UEFA statement finally puts to bed the idea that the governing body sees RFC and Sevco as the same club by mentioning the 3 year ineligibility rule.
As we all know, a club cannot compete in European competitions unless it has 3 years continuous membership of it’s FA and UEFA have just confirmed that Sevco did not have that in 2012/13 nor in the seasons afterwards.
This of course is the only reason a club would be ‘banned’ for 3 years………………..if it was brand new!
Sergio Biscuits June 21, 2016 at 00:21
At least the UEFA statement finally puts to bed the idea that the governing body sees RFC and Sevco as the same club by mentioning the 3 year ineligibility rule. As we all know, a club cannot compete in European competitions unless it has 3 years continuous membership of it’s FA and UEFA have just confirmed that Sevco did not have that in 2012/13 nor in the seasons afterwards. This of course is the only reason a club would be ‘banned’ for 3 years………………..if it was brand new!
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That’s pretty well what I took from it, as UEFA’s licensing process defines the club as a legal entity (i.e. a company).
Note that the 2012/13 comment actually refers to the oldco being ineligible for that season, which is correct, as the club at the 31/03/2012 licensing point was in administration, and the SFA had rightly declined them a licence for the following season.
The essence of the statement is that had it been determined that Rangers mis-stated the true position (lied) in June 2011, then they would have been banned for the next UEFA competition they qualified for within the next three years. That competition was the 2012/13 CL qualifying, but as they were ineligible in any event because of administration and subsequent liquidation there is no need for further sanction (or investigation).
Now, I like many others on SFM, know that Res 12 was much more about the SFA’s application of, and compliance with, the licensing process regarding what Rangers disclosed. However Rangers input was a key element in everything the SFA knew, did do, or didn’t do. Unfortunately, the STV statement didn’t address that specific point.
Howeve,r I should point out that UEFA also recognises the principle of “sporting continuity”. Whether we like it or not that is the way that UEFA works. It would have been nice had the UEFA spokesperson specifically stated that because it was a new club applying for membership of the SFA, they were ineligible for three years.
The statement is written in such a way that both the new club and the continuity club arguments can both be valid interpretations.
Easyjambo,
The main part I took from the statement was that according to UEFA, RFC were ineligible to apply for a license for 3 years, not just for the first season of their existence.
The 2012/13 season, for the reasons you pointed out, they were never going to be granted a license anyway, even by the SFA, but as the same club they would have been eligible for the following season as their membership would have been continuous.
You’re right, it would have been nice if UEFA had stated outright that they are a new club, but as we all know, that’s not something they’d ever do. Usually they let their rules do the talking for them; rules that don’t include the word ‘discretion’ in any of them!
Sergio Biscuits
Easy Jambo
I agree with the both of you in the your interpretations of UEFA’s comments. However, a quick look at the evening times and the ” bearsden” shows that in spite of the intended aims of Resolution 12, rangers fans have drawn only one conclusion from the UEFA statement and that is, they are the same club.
Call me a cynic but ,is this the same Res 12 that the MSM wouldn,t touch with a bargepole when it was being taken to UEFA by decent supporters looking for an honest answer.
A MSM who now run with an answer to questions that they won’t divulge by a hack that they won,t divulge to someone at UEFA that they won,t divulge which blatantley fails to address the actual Res at hand ,just prior to a statement from the Res 12 guys
Then low and behold the ESJ (see the clumpany) trots out some horse s**t wording but claims it,s from another source (STV)
I.m afraid all that article tells me is that they were told some inconvienant truths and were unable to print their BIG front page banner
RANGERS DID NOTHING WRONG REGARDING RES 12 AND (fill in name) AT UEFA SAYS THEIR THE SAME CLUB .
Instead we get that load of horse s**t they served up yesterday.
That IMO was to appease the gullible from govan and I have no doubt that their lackies would have hit social media to ensure their agenda was swallow swallowed by an audience only too willing to believe any old horse s**t as long as it eases their pain.
IMO if they have finally found some balls to ask UEFA a single question then they must not have liked the answer ,as they would have loved nothing better than to print the headline above and put the bampots finally in their place .
I predict that some news will be hitting social media soon that the MSM will totally ignore and the gullible will let fly over their heads in blissful ignorance.
Yesterdays horse s**t was fire fighting at any LEVEL
In reply to Reiver
June 20, 2016 at 16:58
I am not a Detective or Lawman, but the SFA/SPFL have acted in a manner that is ILLEGAL. Lets take the basic principal, and first thing that comes into MY mind ;
They have sold TV rights under false economy and advertising rights.
They continually state RIFC are same club ; to sell these rights.
They allow said football club to trade under alias name to sell tickets.
Although the main point for me is “has money laundering been taking place”
Has a “family” from Northern Ireland been funding in any way RIFC, this was alluded to on “The rangers tax case” blog.
I will not go on as I am positive there are more knowledgeable contributors than me, who have the facts on the illegality of ALL transactions that have occurred.
In my opinion, a Judicial review would not look at one individual case , but everything from 2011 until 2016 as all are interlinked.
I will leave it up to the Legal minds to add, if anything what they believe to be illegal trading. I believe a Judicial review would put the facts of guilt OR innocent to bed once and for all.
FAN OF FOOTBALLJUNE 21, 2016 at 05:55
Call me a cynic but ,is this the same Res 12 that the MSM wouldn,t touch with a bargepole when it was being taken to UEFA by decent supporters looking for an honest answer.A MSM who now run with an answer to questions that they won’t divulge by a hack that they won,t divulge to someone at UEFA that they won,t divulge which blatantley fails to address the actual Res at hand ,just prior to a statement from the Res 12 guys Then low and behold the ESJ (see the clumpany) trots out some horse s**t wording but claims it,s from another source (STV) I.m afraid all that article tells me is that they were told some inconvienant truths and were unable to print their BIG front page banner
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I saw what a lot of credible people involved with Resolution 12 were saying last night. It seems clear that UEFA have now formally responded to them by letter. One of their legal people is considering how and when to communicate. There are enough hints to tell us the letter goes way beyond what STV ran with.
Resolution 12 was officially put to UEFA via a lawyers letter. I doubt if UEFA would answer STV first. I’m now speculating but the media probably know there’s something out there they they can’t get hold of, but they almost certainly won’t like the content. Are they trying to discredit first? Let’s face it, when the UEFA position to the Requisitioners is made public, the mainstream media won’t touch it with a barge pole anyway. What they have done is to try and tell the casual reader that the SFA and Rangers are innocent. Anything that goes beyond that won’t be touched.
It seems to me you have to be eligible in the first place to then be refused a licence. That seems self evident , but the distinction between eligibility and ineligibility is important.
Rangers were eligible for the 2012/13 CL but were refused a licence because they had overdue payables at March 31 2012. The licence was refused by the SFA .
Rangers presumably were ineligible for a licence for 13/14 and 14/15 as they were not on the Uefa Club benchmarking report for either year as having been refused a licence. Uefa seem to have confirmed this but it’s strange that Rangers don’t appear on the refused list under the 3 year rule , as is the case for Derry City, FC Lokomotiv and Zalgiris
ZAM1 @555
Unfortunately I know of no proof for the points you have made that would stand up in a court of law. We then would be in a position where a Judicial Review would come back with a “no evidence of wrong doing” result. That would undermine any ongoing attempts by us to get the SFA cleaned out and it would have cost us money to give them a result that suits them, not us.
If the points you have made have proof available then a letter to the Procurator Fiscal is all that you need to do to see the guilty parties appear in court. For the accusation of money laundering you would probably be better with one of the UK agencies whose purpose is to deal with purely that.
Having suspicions, like we all do on here, is totally different from having facts and that is why the like of the Res12 guys are asking for questions to be answered and not actually making accusations. I wouldn’t like to live in a society that is happy to find you guilty on the basis of just suspicions.
Barca @745
The reason that there was no licensing issue after the 2012 season is that the team NC or OC did not qualify for Europe. Winning league two is not on the list of criteria for that.
I don’t think that we can take proof of UEFA’s stance on anything from the STV article as it is an opinion piece and does not detail verbatim what UEFA said.
Been keeping up without posting for a while.STV have clearly approached UEFA for”clarification” re res12.Unless we are made aware of what exactly stv asked of UEFA,I think this can be treated as a diversionary tactic.I am presuming they have asked what would happen to old gers if found to have been playing in Europe whilst owing social taxes;we have the answer,this,however has very little if anything to do with res12;which,as I undrestand it, relates to our administrators allegedly witholding info on a certain club to allow them entry to europe.Res12 relates not to a club but to our game’s administrators and THEIR conduct,and therefore,on the face of it I don’t see it as relevant;as I said,think we need to see what STV actually asked
zam1June 21, 2016 at 05:55
‘….Although the main point for me is “has money laundering been taking place”’
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Personally, I separate the wrongdoing of the SFA and SDM’s RFC from any wrongdoing by folk who might wish to launder dirty money from crime syndicates on foot of the liquidation of q football club by setting up or by buying control of a newly set up football club.( The two are, of course, connected but only because the setting up of the new club in the guise of old club had to be ‘legitimised’ by the SFA, which could have been for reasons unconnected with straightforward criminality!)
Whether it is money from the proceeds of crime that is keeping the new club from financial collapse is a question that no authority in Scotland is even going to ask, let alone answer. That much seems certain.
But we have asked whether the SFA supported a club in its cheating of us all, over many years before the death of the master cheat’s RFC.
I think we have been lied to about that, and I think that UEFA , in the full knowledge that they also have been lied to, are themselves now lying to us. We know that UEFA has a strong whiff of sulphur about it, and will do anything to save face .
Whether that kind of lying constitutes ‘crime’ ( it might do , I suppose, if it were seen as complicity in rigging a share offering in a plc by issuing an entirely false and spurious Prospectus!) is a matter for debate.
What it certainly constitutes is a moral offence against us all, and a contemptuous disregard of any kind of notion of Sporting Integrity at the very heart of European Football.
It is unlikely that any of the men guilty of that offence, and of that contempt for the paying customer, has any moral code that includes notions of afterlife ‘hell-fire’ for liars and cheats: but I hope they roast therein in the fullness of time. Or in terms of ordinary, non-apocalyptic language, may they meet with condign punishment severally and individually.
I see that the Evening SJ have reported that the Sevco superstore won’t be supplying the new Sevco jerseys.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14569517.Rangers_won_t_sell_the_jerseys_at_Ibrox_as_fans_face_new_kit_blackout_this_summer/?ref=twtrec
Errrrrrr. Maybe it’s because they are bootleg pirate jerseys ?.
“But SportTimes understands supporters will be denied the chance to buy their own version of the Puma-designed kit”
Maybe the headline should be they can’t supply the pirate jerseys !….At least, not in Mick Ashley’s shop.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/shop-swap-gives-mike-ashley-strong-hold-on-rangers-1-3531985
Level 5 are certainly giving it laldy with the midnight oil.
I suspect STV have asked UEFA a hypothetical question & received a similar answer.
This information has just been received from UEFA in answer to some questions but disclosure of the questions asked is not required.
Rangers are in liquidation.
A new Rangers, formally Sevco ****, is now registered to the SFA and plays in the SPFL.
Resolution 12 is correct. Rangers (in liquidation) should not have received a licence to play in European competition in 2011/2012.
Believe that and you’ll believe anything, even @STVGrant!
JingsoJimsie@11.14
I agree.Either way,each hypothesis does not get to the point of res12
RESOLUTION 12: THE LETTER FROM UEFA – SOME ANSWERS, MORE QUESTIONS http://dlvr.it/LcYCxq
Good Afternoon,
Forget, for the moment that a club cheated, did not pay their taxes and lied to get a licence to play in Europe.
Even if all that did not happen, we are now about to enter a new season with a club, (a new or old club doesn’t matter for the purposes of this exercise, although I believe it to be legally a new club) which is known by the governing bodies to have at least £30Million of debt and is struggling to meet current liabilities.
What steps have the governing bodies taken to ensure for the good of all the clubs in Scotland that this club has the financial resources, in place and guaranteed, to fulfill its fixtures for the season?
Irrespective of whatever has gone on before, and we all have our views on that, it is NOW incumbent upon the SFA and SPFL AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME to carry out due diligence to ensure with certainty that the game will not suffer as a result of one club being in default.
This is enshrined in their rules, they have a legal and moral duty to do what is right NOW, because if it all goes belly up again they have nobody to blame but themselves.
They can save the game and what is left of their tattered reputations if they do what they should be doing as a matter of routine.
Where are this club’s accounts, their business plan and a confirmed source of funds and do the SFA/SPFL have them, or do they just not care?
How many clubs have submitted these and who has not?
What are our illustrious chairmen doing to ensure that their paid employees do their duty and enforce the rules without fear or favour?
Next time they won’t be able to treat us like mushrooms
JEAN7BRODIEJUNE 21, 2016 at 12:05
RESOLUTION 12: THE LETTER FROM UEFA – SOME ANSWERS, MORE QUESTIONS http://dlvr.it/LcYCxq
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Jean it looks like Auldheid and his team have it covered and what the rags are saying is exactly what Level 5 have told them to!
gerrybhoy67June 21, 2016 at 12:39
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Yes Gerry that’s my understanding of it. Some people still very unhappy about lack of statement from CFC but who knows what the legal implications are.
Hoopy 7June 21, 2016 at 12:32
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Thanks for articulating a thought that comes into my head every day.
BTW it seems like I’ve, sadly, spent my whole life being treated like a mushroom both politically and in the workplace.
JEAN7BRODIE JUNE 21, 2016 at 12:05 RESOLUTION 12: THE LETTER FROM UEFA – SOME ANSWERS, MORE QUESTIONS http://dlvr.it/LcYCxq
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CQN’s implied content of the letter from UEFA, if true, represents a powerful argument that the requisitioners were fully justified in progressing the issue as they have.
Let’s hope that their follow up questions are equally revealing.
On reflection and after reading CQN update on Res.12 and the letter they received from UEFA 12 weeks ago but are reluctant to tell us the full answer while still in discussion.
It was then we were told to expect a statement from Celtic F.C. but it looks like they too are reluctant to say anything that might affect a Legal Judgement and are also holding off, happy to play the long game while the rags are only too willing to play the man?
On reflection and after reading CQN update on Res.12 and the letter they received from UEFA 2 weeks ago but are reluctant to tell us the full answer while still in discussion.
It was then we were told to expect a statement from Celtic F.C. but it looks like they too are reluctant to say anything that might affect a Legal Judgement and are also holding off, happy to play the long game while the rags are only too willing to play the man?
Extracted from the DR / McCarthy article today;
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“DAVE KING believes it is ‘inevitable’ Rangers will be competing outside Scottish football in the future….
King, who had asked fans to send questions to the club’s website, said:
“The English Premier League now has more media value than the next three major leagues combined…
This reality will only change if Rangers is able to bridge the income gap by competing outside of Scottish football – which will inevitably happen…” ==================
Well that’s gratitude for you: not even a thanks to the SPFL/SFA for all their assistance with ‘keeping’ his dead club alive !
TRFC hasn’t even started its first game in the top Scottish league, and King is already taking about leaving !
Any follow up questions to / comments from Hampden…?
:tumbleweed:
EASYJAMBOJUNE 21, 2016 at 13:57
JEAN7BRODIE JUNE 21, 2016 at 12:05 RESOLUTION 12: THE LETTER FROM UEFA – SOME ANSWERS, MORE QUESTIONS http://dlvr.it/LcYCxq===========================CQN’s implied content of the letter from UEFA, if true, represents a powerful argument that the requisitioners were fully justified in progressing the issue as they have.
Let’s hope that their follow up questions are equally revealing.
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EJ, Even if half of what CQN imply is a bluff, (I am not suggesting it is btw) it is still dynamite. They know what they know, but unfortunately for the SFA, they don’t.