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.. and they wonder why nobody buys papers

As most of you will be aware, the Guardian recently agreed to and accepted payment from CQN for an advertisement which was intended to raise awareness of the Resolution 12 issue, an issue pursued determinedly by Celtic shareholders for the last three years. Subsequently, and citing the thinnest of excuses, they decided not to run the ad. This developed hard on the heels of the Herald actually soliciting the business from the advertisers for their own paper, and then without even seeing the copy, refusing to move forward. (See CQN story here)

guardianGateA troubling aspect of GuardianGate is that CQN were lied to. They were initially advised that the ad was to be removed after editorial scrutiny. Subsequently they were advised that the decision came from an intervention by senior officials.

 

We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

So which was true – and which was the lie?

Here’s a thing about the truth; it is seldom complicated, which is why the failure by the Guardian and the Herald to deliver a straightforward answer implies that there may be more to this nonsense than any of us first imagined.

At this point, it is worth noting that the Guardian is currently running an ad campaign by Toyota, a company who have admitted lying to environmental regulatory bodies for years about emissions from their cars (the Guardian professes to be a major campaigner on environmental issues), but won’t accept a paying ad that asks some polite and important questions about the conduct of a multi-million pound industry.

The denial  of the Res 12 guys’ right to ask questions (no accusations – just bloody questions) via the once assumed to be pluralist and free press, should be ringing alarm bells all over the country, and the substantive issue has become largely irrelevant as a consequence. We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

Two so-called quality newspapers, have mysteriously, after touting for advertising business, refused that very same business, and have given no good reason for doing so. If  the Guardian refuse to accept an ad, I don’t believe that is censorship in itself, but when the dwindling number of newspaper proprietors in this country conspire to arrange an effective blackout of ideas, that is quite clearly censorship.

And for something so relatively inconsequential as football, I can only assume that we have all stumbled on to something far more serious.

Given the recent media rhetoric about Russia Today and their forthright coverage of Chilcot and Tory Election Fraud, it seems that like so many of the players in this saga, the irony circuit in the collective press brain is now as devolved as a human tail.

There are dark forces at work in our country, and they are running riot with basic freedoms.  However it is important to put the football issue into the proper perspective; if the media can go to these corrupt lengths for a game of football, what will they do to protect the capital interests of arms manufacturers, food producers and media dictatorships?

They may have lost the war, but through fix after fix at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, the authorities are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right

Support for the SFA © Scotsman

Migrant fruit-pickers
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Back in soccer La-La-Land’s Mount Florida Fruit Factory, the football authorities most definitely lost the recent war. RFC went out of business and failed the fundamental task of any football club – to sustain itself. In allowing that to happen on their watch, the authorities failed in their most fundamental role – to keep RFC alive.

However through fix after fix, at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, they are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right.

And still, even in this atmosphere, the major shareholders at all of our clubs sit and do nothing. Are they part of the problem, an integral part of the conspiracy? Or are they scared witless of the forces that may line up against them if they dare to grow a pair, like the Resolution 12 guys?

Sporting integrity has taken a back seat recently. Season ticket sales are up all over the place; Celtic provided a marquee manager; the red tops are ablaze about the ‘return’ of the Rangers; Hearts and Aberdeen are newly emerged from financial difficulty, and now enjoy the realistic prospect of new eras of success; and another competitive and exciting year beckons in the Championship.

 

In normal circumstances this would be fantastic news. But all of it is based on a Lie – the Lie that the game is run according to the rules, and for the benefit of all clubs. When the euphoria at Parkhead dies down; when TRFC are reinstalled (actually it will need to be with a shoehorn, but it will be done) as part of the old duopoly that sees the vital contribution made by the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen and others as insignificant; when the next major ‘bending’ of the regulations becomes necessary; all we will be left with is that Big Lie.

The clubs will eventually have to deal with that – and the complicit roles they played in ramming it down each and every one of our throats.

I hope we make them pay.

 

Another thing about the truth though is this;

Everyone with skin in this game, with the exception of the mentally deficient, know exactly what the truth is;

  • RFC cheated;
  • RFC evaded, avoided, and deliberately withheld payment of tax;
  • RFC failed to register players properly over (at least) a decade;
  • RFC lied to the SFA, the SPL and LNS;
  • Whilst all the above was happening, RFC won over a dozen on-field prizes;
  • The SFA rewrote the terms of LNS to better tailor their preferred outcome;
  • RFC were punished by way of a £250k fine. No other penalties were suffered by RFC;
  • RFC entered liquidation and a new club, which co-existed with RFC, began playing in competition BEFORE RFC’s SFA/SPL membership lapsed;
  • That club (TRFC for differentiation purposes) just achieved promotion to the Premiership;

As long as we keep reminding everyone of those truths, as long as we continue to give them a voice, they won’t go away.

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

The irony (and I exclude the TRFC fans who frequent this site) is that TRFC, despite having the weight of the football and press establishments behind them, are being done no favours at all.

The increasing pariah status of their club is a sad but inevitable consequence of the wrong-doing by the old club, because the fans (understandably to be fair) seek to side with their own partisan interests in the face of outside hostility.

But think of this. If the initial-ism ‘RFC’ above was replaced by the name of any other club in the country, wouldn’t TRFC fans be complaining as loudly as the rest of us?

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

What if they run roughshod over the same rules that were broken before but remain unfixed? What if, as a consequence, a compliant TRFC are denied an opportunity to play in Europe, or compete in a final, or win a league?

Will we then still be ‘Rangers haters’ if we protest about that or merely Hearts or Dons or Celtic haters?

This is not about revenge – it never has been – and no amount of wishful thinking will make it so. For most of us on SFM, there is no RFC to have our revenge on anyway, so the accusation makes no sense.

What we are about, what we are all about, is weeding out the clucken wort in Scotland’s football garden on level six at Hampden.

And it appears that some extraordinarily powerful individual or group, with enough muscle to bend the fourth estate to their will, wants to keep us all away from that garden..

 

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on11:19 am - Jun 27, 2016


REIVER
JUNE 27, 2016 at 10:09 

The SPFL introduced a rule that ONLY advantaged the big two. “OK guys, if you get the offer of a friendly that will make you a lot of money, you can ignore the fact that another club in the league has expected that, under the rules of the league, to have a match against you and just cancel it”

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Am I not right in saying that all clubs can do exactly the same thing, as a one-off. Happy to be corrected if that isn’t the case and the rule only relates to a limited number of clubs.

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John ClarkPosted on11:20 am - Jun 27, 2016


FinlochJune 27, 2016 at 08:27
‘…Logically I think they need and feed off each other in a commercial sense.’
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And, worse, they are not feeding on the fruit of  an ordinary healthy sporting rivalry, or even of a ‘neighbouring towns’ rivalry, but on a rivalry based on a view that commercial imperatives take precedence over Sporting Integrity to the extent that a visceral mutual hatred must be fostered and whipped up among the lieges, so that vile men can make profit.

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on11:44 am - Jun 27, 2016


Homunculus @1113

Under our laws of incorporation there can be no separation between club and company so if the company is new then the club is too. That is not to say that those that followed the old club cannot follow the new one as an extension of the existence of the old one. What it does mean though is that all that was owned by the old club, titles, players, cups and debt does not belong to the new no matter what their support believes. They can of course continue believing it but the club cannot claim the same, nor can the SPFL, SFA or UEFA because they would be breaking the law if they profited from promoting a phoenix company.

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They could but there would be no financial advantage to them over the advantage of playing the league match. So in constructing the rule it had to be recognised that it was only of advantage to the two already wealthy clubs. That wealth was generated from a fluke of the demographic in the same way as the attraction of the friendlies would be to the same demographic.
So in creating the rule the authorities looked at the advantage of two clubs and ignored the disadvantage of possibly a dozen others and took an unjust decision. It is not within the SPFL’s remit to get involved in the business of aiding money making ventures of ANY club at the expense of the others. The only way to justify the decision would have been to rule that the gate money at the friendly should be split three ways so that the club with the cancelled game shared in the venture and that is a ridiculous idea.

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John ClarkPosted on11:57 am - Jun 27, 2016


ReiverJune 27, 2016 at 10:09
‘…The SPFL introduced a rule that ONLY advantaged the big two. .’___
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I have never really understood , Reiver, why any association of businesses would agree to what seems to be an entirely undemocratic voting system.
I may be entirely wrong, of course, but isn’t it ‘one share’ each in the SPFL, which, on the face of it, would mean ‘one vote’ each. How then do they freely decide on disproportionate voting rights for some?
Given that they do, though, I have to agree with Homunculus’ post that it would appear that the SPFL as a whole-and the constituent clubs- are happy to allow the situation you describe.
We would need to get really into the nitty-gritty of what the clubs’ rationale is, and whether, as Homunculus suggests, any club in the SPFL can take advantage of what the others agree to.
Whether that degree of fluidity and flexibility in structuring a fixtures list for a season is sensible, I can’t really offer an informed view.
Personally, I don’t like the idea, but.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on12:07 pm - Jun 27, 2016


REIVER
JUNE 27, 2016 at 11:44
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1, I can see there’s no point in debating the “Ugly Sister” thing further, you chose to believe “the old firm” exists, I choose to reject it and further find any association between the club I support and Rangers (old or new) as an offensive media construct. Celtic are no more associated to Rangers than any other club in Scotland. This is just my view on the matter, others like yourself think differently. Fair Do’s.

2, The game is not “cancelled” it is postponed until a later date as far as I am aware. So the game still takes place. Your argument then seems to hinge on other clubs being unable to get themselves involved in lucrative friendlies. Is this the business model we want now, some clubs can’t make more money, the solution is to limit the earning power of those who can. Bringing less money into the Scottish game and minimising it’s Worldwide exposure. Seriously. 

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easyJamboPosted on12:38 pm - Jun 27, 2016


….. and they wonder why nobody buys papers.

I would have thought that the Scotsman was a bit better than this.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/dave-king-rangers-would-ve-won-championship-over-hearts-without-turmoil-1-4163618

Ally McCoist would have won the 2014/15 Scottish Championship title had Dave King’s regime been in charge of the club, according to the Rangers chairman.
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Ally was a unifying figure for the club when we were demoted to the lower leagues.

Just the 24 points to make up.

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on12:50 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Hom @1207

I thought I was clear, I don’t believe that the old firm still exists but what I do believe is that again we have two clubs who, because of a religious demographic, pull in much larger crowds than the rest. The rivalry between the two will be pushed by the clubs because it makes money and the fans because, in the majority, they believe the other is a demographic they despise.
What these two clubs get called as a pairing does nothing to disrupt them as a pairing.

Your second point is also far from the truth. I will ignore the semantics. If you believe that a friendly, even against the likes of Barcelona, improves our worldwide exposure then you are mistaken, it only improves Celtic or T’Rangers exposure. Our leagues are seen worlidwide for what they are, an imbalanced competition that does no good for anyone and that is a view that is regularly supported by the club and the supporters of Celtic as disadvantaging them when they play in Europe. We even get regular statements from both clubs that they will leave our leagues as soon as the opportunity arises.These are facts that you cannot contest other than saying that a handful of people you know who don’t feel that way.
When the rest of us point these issues out the wagons get circled and the view is taken that we are attacking you but if you TRY to look at the situation objectively you will find it impossible to not see that we have a point.

The main point of this site is to fight against the unlevel playing field but that has to based on equality for all clubs. It is a sport in which money can be made but should never be a sport where money is used to tilt the field. Financial fixing, which is one of our aims to correct, is in itself not illegal but IS unjust. TRFC fell foul in the act by not sticking to the rules/laws. Is having the rules changed to the detriment of the clubs who do not have fan base whose size is predicated on historical hate not in itself very close on a moral level to trying to keep tax from the HMRC.
As JC points out it is a strange sport that is run supposedly with a view that all clubs are equal and only have one vote each no matter what their wealth and then put in place a voting system that requires ALL non-big two clubs to vote for something AND at least one of the big pair to vote for a change before it can come to pass.
Finally, you point out that it must be OK because if it wasn’t then the other clubs can stop it happening. By the other clubs you mean their boards and, as we are finding with the my efforts against the SFA, the other boards seem to be party to having an uneven playing surface because they are only concerning themselves with the financial issues. You are experiencing this with Celtic and unwillingness to support Res12 so you can’t deny that.
The fight is on to define whether football’s basic premise is sport or finance. If those that want it to be sport succeed then we cannot help view that the friendly’s leave of absence does not fit comfortably within that.

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on1:29 pm - Jun 27, 2016


I don’t know how convoluted the fixture negotiations are, but we seem to get our match with Celtic postponed regularly to allow them to play their glamour friendlies . It’s their home match and any potential loss of revenue is also theirs . It makes sense to cancel against a club whose supporters will not suffer additional travel problems ,but nae fun sitting in a cold, wet ,empty stadium on a Tuesday/Wednesday night in winter(and getting beaten) .

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on1:41 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Paddy,
Perhaps the rule should be changed to allow other clubs to postpone one match at short notice against the sisters. I wonder what the reaction would be under those circumstances?

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jimboPosted on1:52 pm - Jun 27, 2016


I’m not posting today, hangover from hell.

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jimboPosted on2:00 pm - Jun 27, 2016


This one’s for you BP.  But it’s another one you would need keyboards.

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neepheid

neepheidPosted on2:00 pm - Jun 27, 2016


jimboJune 27, 2016 at 13:52  
I’m not posting today, hangover from hell.
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That’s definitely allowed, not feeling so good myself.

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on2:07 pm - Jun 27, 2016


ReiverJune 27, 2016 at 13:41
If it was down to me, I would cancel the game entirely and give the (non)competing clubs a point apiece and record it as a no-core draw .

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on2:52 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Ah Paddy, but your a revolutionary warmonger.21

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on2:52 pm - Jun 27, 2016


paddy malarkeyJune 27, 2016 at 14:07
No-score even !

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on3:37 pm - Jun 27, 2016


I think we should all seriously consider offering a full apology to Mr. King – no really.

“And they wonder why nobody buys papers…?”  191919
I give you Exhibit No. 2,012 from a DR article today, ‘penned’ by a TRFC blogger – which should please Level42 ;

“…King on the other hand is no McCann. He will make no gain, no swag bag of financial reward. Success on the park is no mere by-product, it’s the principal aim.
Perhaps it’s this truth, that rankles with so many…”
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So we have all misjudged the kindly, altruistic Mr. King.

It’s in the paper, so it must be true…?   09

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on3:42 pm - Jun 27, 2016


ReiverJune 27, 2016 at 14:52
Firhill fur foment!

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on4:07 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Dave the Destabiliser thinks instability (caused by who, Dave?) at Ibrox was McCoist’s downfall.

Barman, I’ll have two of what Dave’s drinking 032106

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easyJamboPosted on5:00 pm - Jun 27, 2016


@ John Clark (and other interested parties)
Confirmation of Craig Whyte continuing to manfully face up to the whole of the Scottish judicial system, on his lonesome, in Glasgow, at the end of July.

HMA v Craig WHYTE 29-JUL-16 Preliminary Hearing Continued SCS/2015-152941 CO14000356 Glasgow HC  

Hopefully I will be able to attend this one, although I will be on holiday for next week’s CoS hearing (although nothing in the Rolls yet).

It is worth noting that I believe the deadline for further charges being brought against Green and co under the the existing bail arrangements expires this weekend.

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jimboPosted on6:39 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Beginning to feel a bit better.  I crawled round to the corner shop and purchased a bottle of white wine.  Hair of the dog and all that.  20

Anything new on the football front? Italy are playing well.

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John ClarkPosted on6:59 pm - Jun 27, 2016


easyJamboJune 27, 2016 at 17:00
‘..HMA v Craig WHYTE 29-JUL-16 Preliminary Hearing Continued SCS/2015-152941 CO14000356 Glasgow HC ‘
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Noted, eJ, thanks.
I’ll watch out for next week’s entertainment , although I’ve one or two other commitments that might get in the road.

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John ClarkPosted on7:50 pm - Jun 27, 2016


It has often been said that, on this blog, every day is an education.
By way of light relief, can I give a very recent example of how, in matters of which I used to know little if anything, the learning acquired from reading posts on this blog, I solved a wee irritating problem?
I am partial to Mamade marmalade.( Tin of Seville oranges with which one can make brilliant marmalade in fair quantity by the addition of a bit of lime and some sugar) . I was sent to purchase same. Not available in Sainsbury’s or in Asda, from which places we got some just a couple of weeks ago. Strange! So,  question asked. Response “It’s been withdrawn” ( same response in each store). Further question: why? Response, no idea.
Half an hour ago,I google. And , to cut a five minute google and Companies House search  short, the Accounts of Hains and Daniel Group ( which apparently bought  Hartley’s and Histon Fruits) are shown as  “OVERDUE”.
I left my search there. I may be wrong, but I suspect the ‘group’ may be in sufficient trouble as not to be able to supply Mamade to the big retailers.
But I think that before this whole confounded saga, created  by the nefarious cheating  behaviour of the disgusting knight of the realm and his  unholy associates in the world of football governance, began and was unearthed by RTC and diligently followed through by this blog, I don’t think I had even heard of Companies House or ‘Administration’ or that dreadfully final sounding word-Liquidation.
Just thought I’d share that with you. 
ps If you know of a wee shoppy in Edinburgh that might still have a tin of Mamade……

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on8:25 pm - Jun 27, 2016


John ClarkJune 27, 2016 at 19:50
http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/tinned_fruit/hartleys_ma_made_seville_oranges_thin_cut_850g.html

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jimboPosted on8:28 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Mamade, that takes me back John!  I used to be a manager with William Low and we always sold that.  It was never a big seller but those who bought it swore by it.  I’ll keep my eye out for it on my travels.

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John ClarkPosted on9:44 pm - Jun 27, 2016


paddy malarkeyJune 27, 2016 at 20:25

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Tesco? Never thought of them, thanks. I’ll drive over to the big one tomorrow and ( checking the sell-by dates) buy a tin or two. Thank you.
jimboJune 27, 2016 at 20:28
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I had not heard of it before a couple of years ago, and I am astonished at how such a wonderfully sharp-flavoured marmalade seems not to be all that well known. As far as I can see, having watched Mrs C ‘make’ it, there’s very little to it, except perhaps a little initial trial and error to get the precise ratio of sweetness/tang you prefer. That is, it’s not like ‘making marmalade’ from  the beginning, and having to use gelatine and all that.
I hope it stays on the market. I have not been paid for this endorsement.02

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shug

shugPosted on9:52 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Let’s all laugh at england ha ha ha ha well done ICELAND.

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John ClarkPosted on9:56 pm - Jun 27, 2016


What was that? England 1 Iceland 2 ?

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easyJamboPosted on9:59 pm - Jun 27, 2016


John Clark  June 27, 2016 at 21:56 
What was that? England 1 Iceland 2 ?
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Codswallop!  Iceland 2 Poundland 1, Article 50 just triggered #Engexit  #BrrrrrExit

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jimboPosted on10:09 pm - Jun 27, 2016


I’m loving listening to the pundits on ITV.   They are in meltdown.  Why are they surprised?  03

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on10:11 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Congratulations to all the Icelandic readers, and commiserations to those who live on Scotland’s south coast.

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shug

shugPosted on10:23 pm - Jun 27, 2016


Jimbo why are you surprised that they are surprised they were all geared up to meet france in the next game and had already dismissed ICELAND before the game began still can’t stop laughing lol.

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on10:34 pm - Jun 27, 2016


See, now I’m confused. I obviously wasn’t properly informed before the referendum. When I voted to get out of Europe I thought it was to do with politics not football.
Still, no damage done. I would still have voted out if I had known.

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on10:40 pm - Jun 27, 2016


As suggested before, the SFA could learn a lot from Iceland and how they achieved their success to date.

And it would be worth trying to attract the Iceland management team to take over the Scotland team.

They have somehow managed to form a decent, well organized team from a group of ‘ordinary’, [& mostly non-professional], players.  They are punching well above their weight in international football now.

Whatever their management secret is, it’s exactly what Scotland has needed for several years, IMO, to have any chance of qualifying for a tournament again.

But well done Iceland !  

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on10:41 pm - Jun 27, 2016


So, the next time we get “Why are you not supporting England when Scotland is not in the tounament?” We have the answer.
The post match analysis stated “Wales are still in, which is good for them, but…”  That is a bit unpatriotic, Wales are British team so surely the English will still carry on with their whole hearted support of another British team? It is what they say we are wrong not to do after all.

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on10:45 pm - Jun 27, 2016


In a perverse way, I was ‘slightly’ hoping that Engerlund would win the Euro’s…

…if only to bring to an end the relentless mentions of 1966…  22

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on10:49 pm - Jun 27, 2016


The post match analysis left me dumbfounded when they were trying to find an answer to, “The players play in the English league which is the richest in the world and, playing for their club, they look good. How come when playing for the national team they look ordinary?”
Not one came up with the answer “They are ordinary but when you play for your club you are surrounded by the worlds top, most expensive players but that is not the situation in the National team.”

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John ClarkPosted on10:50 pm - Jun 27, 2016


shugJune 27, 2016 at 22:23
‘…they were all geared up to meet france in the next game and had already dismissed ICELAND before the game began..’
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Yep, I won’t spoil the moment by reminding ourselves that it is not only the English National team that suffers for their hubris: it has happened in recent memory to an old Scottish club team.
And when you think of that sin of Lucifer, that overweening pride and arrogance and sense of entitlement so often exhibited by “England” and a club now in liquidation, you can only say ‘hell mend you’.
But in the interests of fairness, the English football hacks will savage, absolutely savage, Hodgson and his players.
The SMSM never dared savage SDM for a crime worse than losing football matches- behaving with an arrogant disregard for any notion of Sporting Integrity and causing large numbers of football fans to wonder about the integrity of the very people charged with upholding sporting ideals such as fair play, and fair financial play.
No one in the FA would have survived a ‘5-way agreement’ deal.Or deceiving the UEFA club licensing folk in order to get a thieving club into European competition.
And very well done, Iceland. My thoughts go to my favourite Icelander  the late Magnus, and -if Mrs C isn’t around- the wonderful Sally , my most favourite news presenter.

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John ClarkPosted on11:28 pm - Jun 27, 2016


easyJamboJune 27, 2016 at 21:59
‘…Codswallop! Iceland 2 Poundland 1, ..’
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That was a clever post, eJ.
It made me look up the Cod Wars ( the most recent of which I remember quite well) , and I came across this:
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C111GB0D20151223&p=the+rnxs+and+the+cod+wars
I had some vague idea that the old RNXS, which I thoroughly enjoyed doing some time in, had had in its history some kind of involvement in said wars. I didn’t watch the whole youtube film, so I still don’t know.
(But I did almost slip on the ice in Grimsby in 1990 or thereabouts, and only just managed to avoid falling between quayside and ship, and a horrible crushing death!)

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John ClarkPosted on11:43 pm - Jun 27, 2016


StevieBCJune 27, 2016 at 22:45
‘..…if only to bring to an end the relentless mentions of 1966…’
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Oh,no, it would not have ended, StevieBC! We would have been subjected to ‘just as in 1966 we won the World cup, so in 2016 we ….’02

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John ClarkPosted on12:24 am - Jun 28, 2016


ReiverJune 27, 2016 at 22:41
‘..so surely the English will still carry on with their whole hearted support of another British team? It is what they say we are wrong not to do after all..’
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The real Welsh are conscious that their country was militarily occupied and annexed by England, a long, long time ago.
‘Real’ Scots have become increasingly aware that the people of Scotland were sold down the river by a parcel of rogues (the descendants of some of whom are still in influential positions of political and economic power)  who, like forerunners of Quisling, put their personal interests before any kind of national interest, looked after themselves most dishonourably ( in the same kind of way as knights of the realm who may have owned a football club), and sold their national heritage.
The English are the English. We are not they. Their understanding of themselves is quite different from our understanding of ourselves. We have a shared history of sorts, most of it related to dirty imperialistic oppression of other peoples, redeemed to an extent by ( we see in retrospect) a resistance to the absolute evil of Nazism.
It is not at all to wondered at that the English no more emotionally support Wales than we support England.
English jingoism is alive and well. They have just learned that ‘Britain’ is not ‘England’, and ‘English’ is not a synonym of ‘British’.
Any more than Iceland is a rubbishy wee team.

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Big PinkPosted on12:39 am - Jun 28, 2016




Unusually my support for the team playing England tonight was not in place because they were playing England, rather due to the romantic hope for the underdog to triumph.
I also thought the STV panel of ex-players was understandably frustrated but at the same time fairly temperate in its responses.
The presenter on the other hand was off the rails. Similarly the Norn Irn guy on 5 Live and his non-player colleagues were in serious meltdown.
I do feel sorry for England players who constantly have a bitter, vengeful, Damoclean press pack looming large in the background if they fail to live up to the often unrealistic expectations set for them. Recipe for underachievement I think.

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John ClarkPosted on12:56 am - Jun 28, 2016


Big PinkJune 28, 2016 at 00:39
‘….Unusually my support for the team playing England tonight was not in place because they were playing England, rather due to the romantic hope for the underdog to triumph..’
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Nah, I’m hoping that my support for Iceland will have been noticed by Sally Magnusson! Nothing at all to do with with political considerations!02

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easyJamboPosted on1:17 am - Jun 28, 2016


John Clark June 28, 2016 at 00:56 Nah, I’m hoping that my support for Iceland will have been noticed by Sally Magnusson! Nothing at all to do with with political considerations!
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Sally actually tweeted this earlier this evening.
Sally Magnusson ‏@sallymag1 · 5h5 hours ago
My dad looking down on a 2-1 lead to Iceland v England. Lots of time for things to go wrong but, boy, he’d be proud.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-zPGDXEAAdQrz.jpg

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upthehoopsPosted on6:59 am - Jun 28, 2016


Re England v Iceland. The English commentators have become legendary over the years but I thought Clive Tyldesley and Glenn Hoddle took it to a new level last night. One the best tweets of the night is below:

Iceland turned over the Dutch home and away in qualifying. Clive Tyldesley is talking about them as though they’ve only just discovered fire 

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HaywirePosted on10:08 am - Jun 28, 2016


JC in full-on mode – a sight to behold:
“The English are the English. We are not they. Their understanding of themselves is quite different from our understanding of ourselves. We have a shared history of sorts, most of it related to dirty imperialistic oppression of other peoples, redeemed to an extent by ( we see in retrospect) a resistance to the absolute evil of Nazism.”
That is exactly it John, I could not have put it better.  I have lived in England for more than fifty years but do not regard myself as in any way English.  I am not of that ilk.  I have no great animosity toward them, but the English have quite a different view of their ‘rightful place’ in the world compared to the Scots and other peoples of the British Isles.
Deux Chapeaux Sir!

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ReiverPosted on10:32 am - Jun 28, 2016


It is a pleasure to be on this site where the driving ethos is not tainted by ego.

As to the John James site, well I think I elicited a response that sums his qualities up to a tee.

Who the **** do you think you are telling me how to run my blog? I’m not your ******* correspondence secretary. You are now barred from this site. You will not be missed.

Oh well, I had better slope off and lick my wounds. I’ll be back when I recover.

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on10:33 am - Jun 28, 2016


OK, all well again!

Now where were we?

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Pat ByrnePosted on12:17 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Reiver
You have been a naughty boy haven’t you, now bend over, you deserve a damn good thrashing. JJ is quite a touchy little soul and will not take criticism lightly, ach well I will just need to keep coming here to catch up with your thoughts, I was seriously tiring of his pettiness anyhow. 

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shugPosted on12:54 pm - Jun 28, 2016


LOL Reiver bad boy jj really does not like to be criticised I liked the bit about he could only count on the mensch voting for him maybe that is jj’s alter ego lol.

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ReiverPosted on12:55 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Pat,
You ARE a strange character. You are the first person I have come across that prefers pomposity to pettiness..
I am assured that coinselling can cure your deviance should you wish.

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on1:00 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Shug,

I am sure he was wrong in only relying on TM’s vote. There are plenty racists in the UK that will be only too willing to fawn over him. His ego will quickly recover I am certain

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ReiverPosted on2:27 pm - Jun 28, 2016


The saddest thing for me with regard to being barred by JJ and having all my posts deleted is, that in doing that, he deleted his own literary masterpiece explaining to me the error of my ways. It was undoubtedly a work of genius how he encapsulated the emotions bile, anger loss of self control and that misplaced self importance. I do feel that those of you that didn’t get to read it before its deletion have missed a treat. Actually, I feel so bad about you missing out that I shall print it here later for your edification. It was so accurate that I do hope that, if he returns to the subject of politics in the future, he will give us his interpretation of Hitler’s rants at the rallies Nuremberg. The beliefs that he has displayed since Brexit have shown that the empathy he has with the Fuhrer makes him suitably qualified for the task.
I hope he relents and allows me to submit my critical appraisal when it is printed. Constructive criticism obviously, as I would not want to upset him.

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Pat ByrnePosted on3:29 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Reiver
More of a pompom than petticoat sort of person but who’s perfect.
JJ s site is turning into a food fest for anti Nationalistic rants which are to say the least, bordering on psychotic, there seems to be an inbred hatred of anyone with even the slightest pro SNP leanings, I was grateful for your efforts in trying to balance the twisted rhetoric about the financial position of Scotland as opposed to that of the UK,  a distinct lack of annalises was there for all to see with not a mention of the debt the UK is currently tethered with and will surely find it increasing as the financial meltdown continues to destroy our economy, ultimately having  a devastating effect on the game both here and South of the border. I do not think you were right in voting Brexit but we all have our choices to make, I just feel that the events since have proven that a huge number voted, with the  the race card having been played by those who should know better, it is a sad indictment of our electorate and politicians that worries me deeply as to where it will all end. I sincerely hope and after today’s EU parliament rant from Farage, the remaining members find it in their heart to find a way for Scotland to stay.
My son works in the City financial sector and with no agreement with the EU on free movement of trade,  the big banking, financial, and investment businesses located there WILL move their operations elsewhere as they require that freedom to effectively carry on their day to day activities.
The Rangers certainly could do without this landing on their plate at a time when they are obviously finding cash flow a problem, who in their right mind would invest in a club in their position in this climate.
Anyway, back to my pompoms and petticoats, after all, a fellow must have some release from the daily grind.

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jimboPosted on3:51 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Everything’s went very quiet on Res12 this past week.  Probably because everyone is talking about Brexit, the Euros and transfer speculation.

The resolution guys have been pretty low key too on CQN.  Maybe they are beavering away in the background moving things on.

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NTDEALPosted on3:54 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Reiver,
sorry to hear about your trials and tribulations.I have been giving JJ’s site a bit of a widebearth until he calms doon and reverts back to the football,he’s usually an interesting read.
I did’nt see your exchange(s) with him,but would be interested to read it all on hear.
I would like to post on his site,only thing is what do you put in when it asks for a website?Am I missing some thing really obvious?

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ReiverPosted on4:12 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Pat @1529
With Kings money salted away in Rands or in Honk Kong in US dollars TRFC would be quids in under the plummeting of the pound. IF he ever chose to use any of it to TRFC benefit. Perhaps he will make a quick killng so he can pay back whoever bought his TRFC shares for him.

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ReiverPosted on4:14 pm - Jun 28, 2016


NTDeal
You don’t need to put anything in the website box as it is not mandatory for logging in.

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NTDEALPosted on4:47 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Reiver,
Mmmm,shows you how much I know,thanks

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ReiverPosted on4:48 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Things are very quiet on the SFA action front just now. I cannot speak for the Res 12 guys but with it being the close season getting a hold of anyone in Scottish football is problematic. I have two irons in the fire just now and the first, dealing with UEFA, is difficult because of the Euros. The other, my request for action from my MSP, should have something to report within the next day or two. He has written to the SFA and Holyrood on the matter and I contacted him this morning having given the twenty days leeway for that he requested to allow replies to come back. His reply was a little bit cryptic in that he says that he has had “a reply” a few days ago. Whether that is from the SFA or Holyrood I don’t know but should find out in the next day or two as my MSP is instructing his office to forward me a copy of the reply. Once I have that I will know what te next step is.
As for the the report that the Sports Integrity Initiative were intending to publish reacting to and expanding on the TOG report. I know it seems to have dragged on a bit but I do know that has now been written. The first draft was rejected by their lawyers two weeks ago and the latest copy is with them now. Unfortunately the lawyers dealing with it are the same ones as are representing Maria Sharapova and she appears to be getting priority. The SII work covers FIFA, UEFA. the international Olympic Committee and the World Anti Doping Agency and, if you have been watching the news, you will appreciate how busy a time it has been for anyone covering those. I think perhaps I have been a little over persistent in pursuing this report because the last email I recived back from them I was told that I would have to be patient. I have always lived by the adage that it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease but perhaps, in this case, the squeak is becoming a little irritating.( Ah? So it’s not just JJ that finds me annoying. Quel suprise!

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ReiverPosted on5:03 pm - Jun 28, 2016


With things being so quiet just now I hope BP will turn a blind eye to me going off at a tangent here. I promised that, because JJ removed his own tirade when he remove all my posts from his site, that I would publish it here. So here goes.

Reiver says: June 28, 2016 at 8:13 am
I suppose a well done is in order but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for blog of the year if I were you. Your rather extreme political content and your penchant for censoring reasonable posts when you disagree with an opinion will go against you. Running a blog that uses proactive moderation requires constant attention otherwise conversations on the comments section cannot flow while you are away writing your next article or for the 5 or 6 hours of back to back TV football on TV that the likes of the Euros bring.If you covet an award for your site then you need to temper your animosity for those who have views that differ from your own. To remain a one man blog you must also change to reactive moderation so that, when you are away, others can keep the discussion “alive”. For many of us the articles take second place to the interaction with others.But as I said before, it’s your baw.

sitonfence says:
June 28, 2016 at 9:01 am
Please revert to your natural habitat, The Scottish Football Monitor and take your leaflets with you. Watch the door hit you on the backside on the way out. Your WERE the most pompous ass on this site bar none. Every comment you made prior to this one, which is a pre-requisite for my reply, will be expunged. Your grudging congratulations are as welcome as you are. I do not covet awards. I could only count on The Mensch voting for me. I was making a point about the fellowship of social media bloggers, but you probably missed that as you only read your own words. Who the **** do you think you are telling me how to run my blog? I’m not your ******* correspondence secretary. You are now barred from this site. You will not be missed.

This was on an article where he was patting himself on the back yet again over the number of hits he has had and how international they were. I believe it is the fourth such article in the 10 months he has been in existence.

Well I suppose if his response to me has done anything it has answered the doubters who reckoned he wasn’t a Rangers supporter. I know of no other group who are typified by responding to those with whom they disagree with venom, unwarranted superiority and foul mouths.

It is a pity that he destroys his own good work in this way. When he sticks to football he raises some interesting discussion material that has attracted a decent crowd of mostly intelligent contributors. It was even worth making the effort required to overlook his occasional racist and bigoted opinions.

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Cluster OnePosted on5:48 pm - Jun 28, 2016


I have visited  JJ’s site a few times,just to gather different points of view on things.Left my first post the other day, but these replies caught my eye.
sitonfence says:
June 28, 2016 at 7:40 am
Does The Vatican have wi-fi?

coatbridge loyalty cad says:
June 28, 2016 at 9:42 am
Does Ibrox ?

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AuldheidPosted on6:18 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Jimbo 15.51

Yup after STV Grant and Vanguard Bears said the gig was up in spite of neither knowing what UEFA volunteered in their reply to  the solicitor acting on behalf of the signatories to Resolution 12, it was decided that it was time to make a Resxit. 
Aye right.
Although the pace has slowed the persistence has not.
No point giving a time frame as delays only lead to frustration but the party is not over. 

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woodsteinPosted on7:04 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Reiver
June 28, 2016 at 17:03
I believe it is the fourth such article in the 10 months he has been in existence.
 
21
 
RFC Redux
The Decline of SMSM
Misrepresentation
Hugh Adam – a Real Rangers Man
More thoughts on AGM
Incisive Commentary
A Deflection Failure
Ethereal Matters at Ibrox
5,000 messages in 5 months
Intractable Positions
A King Acolyte
Reporting Restrictions
The Rangers Metaphysical Society
State of Play
John James’ World
John James’ World II
John James World (May 2016)
Dear JJ -Craig Whyte’s Rhythm Kings
A TJN Update
Dark Days For A Liberal Beacon
John James World (June 2016)

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Mentioned in all of the above.

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on7:37 pm - Jun 28, 2016


http://stv.tv/sport/football/1358978-american-international-defender-oguchi-onyewu-training-with-rangers/

In his fourth decade? Check.

QPR connection? Check.

Not played for a while? Check.

Free? Check.

Any good? What sort of a question is that? See answer above.

Level Sinko BS? Check.

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HomunculusPosted on8:21 pm - Jun 28, 2016


I have had occasion in the past to question some of JJ’s posts, primarily where he has simply got things wrong. Ignoring the preposterous self-congratulatory tone he uses. It is rarely one has the opportunity to read someone who is quite so far up their own … I think you know where I am going with that. 

However I would ask this simple question, does anyone think he has ever heard of the TOR network. I think that better explains the “Worldwide” appeal of his self-indulgent musings than his own belief that he is being read in ever figurative corner of the globe.

Well that’s certainly what I would posit. 

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jimboPosted on8:32 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Auldheid,

Resxit,  good one, wonder if the Oxford Dictionary will pick up on this new word.

Never doubted for a minute you chaps were giving up.

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John ClarkPosted on11:26 pm - Jun 28, 2016


ReiverJune 28, 2016 at 17:03
“…. The SII work covers FIFA, UEFA. the international Olympic Committee and the World Anti Doping Agency ..”
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Your mention of the Sports Integrity Initiative, Reiver, prompted me to have a look at their webpage and its ‘news’.
I was much attracted to this item which is dated yesterday:
“The Council of the international federation of football associations (FIFA) is to appoint a ‘normalisation committee’ to manage the Argentinean football association (AFA), after its President, Luis Segura, was charged with fraud. Segura, who is also a member of the FIFA Council, was earlier replaced by AFA Executive Secretary Damián Dupiellet on an interim basis….”
( the full thing can be read on   http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/fifa-to-oversee-argentinean-fa-after-fifa-council-member-charged/     )
I fantasise about UEFA doing something similar in relation to the SFA!

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woodsteinPosted on11:57 pm - Jun 28, 2016


Homunculus
June 28, 2016 at 20:21
 
Just what I was thinking.
 
The purpose of Tor is very similar to VPN’s primary purpose – to maintain internet users’ online anonymity. Like VPN, it can also be used to spoof geo-location by the user continually re-connecting until the exit node is in the desired country (quite easy if you want a US based exit node, less easy for smaller or less internet connected countries (Vatican City 93 users out of 767 in 2006))
With VPN,  location spoofing is very easy.  Most VPN providers offer servers in many locations worldwide., and are very fast.
With TOR location spoofing  is a very fiddly and inefficient way to go about it, and slow.
But if you are a whistleblower, or a dissident living under regime in which it would be very dangerous to be caught performing certain activity (such as writing political blogs), then Tor is  your man.
 
For the pedantic:-
Etymology tor
Old English torr, perhaps of Celtic origin and related to Welsh tor ‘belly’ and Scottish Gaelic tòrr ‘bulging hill’.
TOR the onion network
VPN virtual private network

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wottpiPosted on8:00 am - Jun 29, 2016


JINGSO.JIMSIE
JUNE 28, 2016 at 19:37

It is better than that!!

Warburton said: “Oguchi is someone we have been told about by Niko Kranjcar’s agent. He is coming down to train with us and we will see how he gets on.
“This is the first time I have seen him. He will need the first couple of days to acclimatise in terms of the pace of the session and getting to know the boys.
“We are having a look at him physically in terms of his shape and dealing with the technical level. We will see how he gets on.
“He’s very promising. He’s suffered some injuries in the past and maybe hasn’t realised his potential yet. He’s certainly one to look at now he’s more mature. We will see how he gets on.

Compare and contrast with reasons Lennon is looking to bring Grant Holt and Scott MacDonald to Hibs.

I think I was wrong when I said he was looking like a clown. I now think he is having fun playing along with the game of seeing how far he can go with the SMSM before someone realizes he is taking the piss.

The Warbmeisters overblown positivety combined with Kings answers to the supporters questions and the spouting of grandiose plans reminds me of an old work place. A place where management really didn’t have a clue about what they were doing and where failing to look after their own remit properly.

To cover over the cracks they merely spent time restructuring things, confused the development of  cunning plans and procedures and producing graphs with actually doing something productive  and being endlessly positive about minor issues while the place crumbled around them.

Thinking of it,  the above could also apply to the SFA.

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ReiverPosted on8:55 am - Jun 29, 2016


I think posters on here should be more thoughtful when they write about JJ. He visits here at least once a day and regularly plagiarises SFM comments content. No! I must be wrong there as rails against the plagiarists on SMSM! I have even had comments on his site withheld from print and then found that the next day an article published that was based on my comment but without acknowledgement. The censorship in Johnston Press was one.
So when you write about him you should always remember that he will read what you say and that may hurt. No-one should have that as an intention as it reflects badly on SFM. Apart from me, of course. I have dispensation due to my pomposity.

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John ClarkPosted on10:09 am - Jun 29, 2016


ReiverJune 29, 2016 at 08:55
‘..So when you write about him you should always remember that he will read what you say and that may hurt.’
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Your man won’t read anything I write, Reiver:I am blocked from his twitter thingy and from his blog. And that tells me all I would ever need to know about what seems like his ‘Farage’-like attitude.
The curious thing is that I have no recollection of ever tweeting or commenting on his blog. Nor can I remember making any particular comment about him on this blog.

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ReiverPosted on10:59 am - Jun 29, 2016


JC @1009

He quotes your actions often enough usually without printing your username.

As to his political content. Could it be that he IS Nigel Farage

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jockybhoyPosted on11:06 am - Jun 29, 2016


In their efforts to drag employees of other teams into tax-related issues, some have referenced Neil Lennon and other individuals who had invested in what they thought to be “tax-efficient” (sic) schemes, regardless that the teams weren’t involved or that the individual had already paid income tax on their earnings. Turns out there was downright fraud involved in those. “The men were charged with Conspiracy to Cheat the Public Revenue and will be sentenced at Birmingham Crown Court on 24 June.” Would that ever happen in Scotland I wonder? 
http://www.professionaladviser.com/professional-adviser/news/2460517 /former-advisers-found-guilty-of-gbp100m-film-tax-fraud

UPDATE: Keith Hayley, Robert Bevan and Charles Savill were each sentenced to nine years imprisonment, whilst Norman Leighton was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment (suspended).

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ReiverPosted on11:07 am - Jun 29, 2016


My MSP has contacted me with the SFA’s reply to him and I attach it here.
The email from J Lamont MSP

SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION
For your information, please find enclosed a letter I have received from Andrew McKinlay, Chief Operating Officer at the Scottish Football Association, regarding your letter to UEFA.
I will let you know if I hear anything further.
Kind regards.
John Lamont MSP
Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire
Scottish Conservatives

and my reply to him

 
Thank you for that John,
That is typical of the responses many have had, if they bothered answering at all. It is nothing but a kick into the long grass. The SFA are well aware that UEFA only respond to requests by members and, unless action is taken by the likes of yourself, the SFA will refuse to answer to the concerns like those highlighted in the Tax Justice Network in their report on http://www.theoffshoregame.net. Likewise they gave no answer to the requests from the Sports Integrity Initiative.
The requests being made are only for them to answer some questions in an honest and verifiable manner. Answered satisfactorily this issue will be put bed and we can all move on but while they continue with the sort of evasion that we see in your attached response we cannot help but feel that they have something that they are trying to hide. Surely we are not being unreasonable. We, and we are not a single madcap group but many with shared concerns, are in the majority mature retired professionals who, as a rule, do not involve ourselves in matters like this. We see this as potentially so serious that we have stepped forward into an area that is outwith our comfort zone.
Can I ask whether you would be prepared to aid us further in our efforts? There is a feeling among many that perhaps something such as a Judicial Review into the SFA is what is required but there we would be stepping into an area where we would be totally inexperienced. I know your time will be consumed with the fallout from the recent referendum but life and justice in more local issues must continue.
Thank you for your assistance to date, it is more than many others have been willing to do.

 

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ReiverPosted on11:18 am - Jun 29, 2016


Would someone do me a favour. Type http://www.theoffshoregame.net into the address bar of their browser and tell me if the two “f”s in offshore change to a small triangle. Either I have a problem or they have had to guard against software generated attacks. If it is my browser then I need to investigate,
Thanks

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