Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?

Charles Green has declared war on the Scottish football authorities. His statement and that of Duff and Phelps today deserve detailed analysis, which is ongoing at McConville Towers as we speak, and will be concluded as soon as Stewart Regan, Neil Doncaster and Peter Lawwell tell me what to write.

For now, I wanted to speculate if Mr Green had managed to forget the terms of the SFA Rules, under which Rangers FC was censured for his comments some time ago. Mr Green could well have forgotten, as the censure took place as long as eleven days ago.

The relevant rules are as follows:

Rule 1: All member clubs shall:
(a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play;
(b) be subject to and comply with the Articles and any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions and International Match Calendar promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel Protocol, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport;
(c) recognise and submit to the jurisdiction of the Court of Arbitration for Sport as specified in the relevant provisions of the FIFA Statutes and the UEFA Statutes;
(d) respect of the Laws of the Game;
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
(f) behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith.

Rule 2: Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players act in accordance with Rule 1.

Rule 66: No recognised football body, club, official, Team Official or other member of Team Staff, player, referee, or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall bring the game into disrepute.

Rule 71: A recognised football body, club, official, Team Official, other member of Team Staff, player or other person under the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA shall, at all times, act in the best interests of Association Football and shall not act in any manner which is improper.

Now let’s see where Mr Green might, through inadvertence, have sinned against those rules, accidentally of course. The following are extracted from his statement on the official Rangers FC website.

“Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.

“Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff. I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.

“Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission?  Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all?  No. They did absolutely nothing.

“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us – as the new owners – took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in either the SPL or Division One.

“We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.

“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith.

“I must make it clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter.

“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for two years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent.

“The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public.

“Nothing has changed as the judgement still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?

“Rangers was not the only club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions.

“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible.

“It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.

“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.

“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.”

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Have a read through these edited highlights once again…

The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening … the Commission is not independent of the SPL … They (the SPL) did absolutely nothing … the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga … a full blown inquisition … it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position … we believe the SPL have been hypocritical … There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible … It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions … Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more.

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Mr Green has issued a lengthy statement, as can be seen from the fact that what is shown above is only an extract from it. It is on the official Rangers website, and is stated to be by “Rangers Football Club”.

If this is not a declaration of war on the SPL and by extension the footballing authorities in Scotland, I don’t know what is.

I spoke to a friend who compared some of Mr Green’s recent statements to what has become known as “dog whistle politics”. There is little of the dog-whistle about this – instead it is a clear rallying cry to the loyal support of Rangers, which will, I am sure ensure that the turnstiles keep clicking at Ibrox for some time yet.

As of a few minutes ago the respective posts regarding the statement on two of the main Rangers FC fan sites showed a total of 867 posts and over 26,000 views. Not bad for a statement issued two hours ago!

I also suspect that the reaction there will be 100% positive.

Deciding that they are refusing to play and denouncing the process before the first hearing takes place is an interesting tactic. Now, if the Commission proceeds, in the absence of both oldco Rangers and newco Rangers and delivers a damning judgement, it will be ignored, it appears, by Mr Green and his company. And, if action is taken, then they propose to invoke the aid of the courts to stop disciplinary action happening.

What strikes me is that, once again, Mr Green is playing a masterful hand. He is a king of diversion. When the transfer of the SFA membership took place Mr Green said:-

“There remains, however, an outstanding issue with the SPL regarding EBTs.  As we have proved in the last couple of months we will stand up to any challenges that face Rangers and will continue to fight for the Club’s best interests.”

What he has managed to do is to build the impression that the one penalty, above all others, which newco will not accept, being the most horrendous possible, is the stripping of titles. Not being barred for all time from, membership of the SPL; not being suspended for a longer period than the next three years; not the imposition of further financial penalties…

No, the one penalty to be fought against, above all others, is one which will cost newco not a penny, and will in fact generate more support from the fans.

As I said, it is brilliant!

He has challenged the football authorities to take action, as indeed he promised he would. So much gratitude for the three ruling bodies pledging to “facilitate” Rangers entry to SFL3!

And as far as his attack on some, but not all, SPL teams, one wonders why he felt constrained from telling us who they were. After all, Ibrox is the home of clarity, transparency and free speech!

However the extracts above indicate numerous ways in which the rules quoted at the top of this piece are broken. Will the SFA have the courage of its convictions to take action? Will the SFL take any steps itself?

Or has Mr Green stared them down, and, as long as the share flotation comes along in the near future, enraptured the fans into subscribing in their thousands?

As has been the case ever since RTC started, this piece could end with the line:- we have no idea what will happen next; we will have to wait and see!

Posted by Paul McConville

1,814 thoughts on “Charles Green – What Will Football’s Authorities Do?


  1. No doubt our Edinburgh bampots branch will be on soon to confirm but I seem to recall that it was one of the Estonians.


  2. The Iceman says:
    September 11, 2012 at 13:15

    All of those involved have been exposed as the liars fraudsters and cheats that they are and all of it will prove to be to no avail.

    I would expect a gfenuine New Rangers to emerge possibly chastened, certainly diminished in the years to come.

    If I were a beeting man – a few quid on Rangers not fulfilling their fixtures this season might be worth a punt.
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    Iceman, just who has been exposed so far as liars, fraudsters and cheats? I have seen no evidence anywhere, especially from the MSM to back any of this up. Nor have I seen any charges being brought against anyone………………so far!

    What makes you think a “New Rangers” will emerge, chastened or otherwise?
    We currently have a “New Rangers”, unchastened, unbowed, unbroken history and by the look of it, still WATP!! They neither appear to be diminished nor without support.
    How have your expectations came about, certainly not from anything involving the SFA/SPL SFL or any of the football clubs in Scotland.
    Please enligten me.

    As far as seeing out the season their could be many reasons why they don’t. I never thought they would have started season 2011 -2012 never mind getting licenses transferred and membership acquired in 2012 -2013.

    You must have more than blind faith in the governance bodies in Scotland to back this up, otherwise, like me you will end up bitter and twisted every Saturday afternoon.


  3. Could this all be a ruse on the part of Mr Charles, with the outcome in the next few days being that he declares that he is exasperated with Scottish fitba, and has been driven away from his noble purpose by the evil authorities.

    The poor man will be left with no option but to jack it in and high-tail it down the road with tenners spilling out of his hipper.


  4. Angus says:
    September 11, 2012 at 13:46
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    The Iceman says:
    September 11, 2012 at 13:15

    They have the right in the tribunal to remove Rangers as a club from the SFA – sine die – I think they will use this.
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    Something I’ve been wondering about this. If RFC(IA) receive a suspension or expulsion from the SFA, then how does that affect Sevco?

    Being that RFC(IA) have already transferred their SFA membership, and if that membership is rescinded, can it still exist for the Newco (which is a phoenix of the old)?

    Is this why they were so sharp in getting membership transferred? So that it couldn’t be withdrawn before they did?

    Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

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    the membership held be Sevconian Rangers is the membership that once belonged to RFC(IA)

    if they decide to suspend or expel RFC(IA) – then their membership will be suspended or expelled – that means Sevconian rangers will be suspended or expelled – as their SFA license has been

    However, lets stop this fantasy nonsense – given the lengths the SFA/SPL/SFL have gone to to keep the beast alive (to be milked for it’s hordes of followers, their cash and a paltry TV deal) you can be sure as eggs is eggs they are not about to kick them out.

    stripping titles will be the PUNISHMENT – not the consequence, it will be dressed up as being the most severe thing to do. but it’s not, not by a long long way.

    Personally, removing titles is the starting point
    followed up by the banning from football all players, managers, staff, directors who were involved in this fraud.
    Rangers FC (IA) should be billed for lost income of all other clubs – UEFA monies and SPL prize monies. As they will be liquidated soon, that FOOTBALLING DEBT should pass to Sevco
    Rangers should then be expelled from football entirely.
    Any “NEW” Rangers forming will have to 1st repay the monies owed by Sevco and RFC (IA) – and I include the tax and all creditors (not just football debts) before being allowed into junior league football

    but, none of it will happen

    titles will be removed and that will be that.

    in many ways, it will be a fantastic “victory” for Charles green – he fought the law, no surrender, but the law won…..but the bears will lap it up. we’ll have “54 on the pitch” under the 5 stars on the strips

    they do denial well, they’ll be adding war time titles to the 54 they have “won” soon, they’ll lap up the shares to own a holding company and chuckie will sail away a hero – T’rangers live, still standing despite all these imagined “punishments” chuckie fought the good fight – driven on by hatred and vengeance they will live


  5. longtimelurker says:

    September 11, 2012 at 13:51

    MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 12:38
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    Have always believed that the reason for ALL the hold ups ie Lord Hodge, Big Tax Case, etc. etc relates to the fact that the Authorities (Police and Fraud Squad et al) are putting their “ducks” in order to raise charges against former directors and employees of Old Rangers (maybe some of the current ones too). That is why Walter, Bomber and the rest have gone quiet – not long now before arrests are made ?

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    Don’t know if I buy this theory. I mean you can’t keep stuff like this quiet for long as there’s too many people involved.

    No something else or someone else is behind the silence.

    I think it’s a State thing.

    If Salmond is indeed involved in this then he is finished.
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    longtimelurker

    You may well be right – however do you not think the same theory would apply to a State involvement – they cannot keep their silence too long either without somebody saying something.

    Still believe Lord Hodge would not hold up the results of his findings, for political reasons, must be a legal reason for doing so – i.e. once it is out the media will go over it with a rash and publish it making it near impossible for the culprit/s to get a fair trial !!


  6. MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:24

    Still believe Lord Hodge would not hold up the results of his findings, for political reasons, must be a legal reason for doing so – i.e. once it is out the media will go over it with a rash and publish it making it near impossible for the culprit/s to get a fair trial !!
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    Yeah Mike, like the MSM are all over Rangers stories like a rash, when was this???


  7. Any chance of an early Mod for my post from The Rangers Standard? The issues raised need debated on here as don’t believe too many from TSFM visit that site


  8. MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:24
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    longtimelurker says:

    September 11, 2012 at 13:51

    MikeC says:

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    Hi Mike,

    I’ve followed this story for years mate, since at least 1994/5 and have read both RTC and KDS since this all started way back in March 2011 and the amount of information leaked has been extraordinary and straight from the horses’ mouth so to speak but the silence on all things since July has been defeaning so much so that RTC has even hung up his pen and the rest of the bampots such as CFCblog, Cartuja, Phil Mac, Goosey et-aL are chasing snippets of information trying to make sense of what’s been going on.

    So surely if there are some legal reasons re criminality in respect of those that you mentioned then surely someone somewhere would be dropping hints or documents off at strategic locations but there has been nothing.

    On the otherhand if The State is involved then surely that involvement will be at a seriously high level and be subject to the OSA, no?


  9. longtimelurker says:
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    September 11, 2012 at 14:36
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    MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:24
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    longtimelurker says:

    September 11, 2012 at 13:51

    MikeC says:

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    Hi Mike,

    I’ve followed this story for years mate, since at least 1994/5, and have read both RTC and KDS since this all started way back in March 2011 and the amount of information leaked has been extraordinary and straight from the horses’ mouth so to speak but the silence on all things since July has been defeaning so much so that RTC has even hvng up his pen and the rest of the bampots such as CFCblog, Cartuja, Phil Mac, Goosey et-al are chasing snippets of information trying to make sense of what’s been going on and what is going on.

    So, surely if there are some legal reasons re criminality in respect of those that you mentioned then surely someone somewhere would be dropping hints or documents off at strategic locations or simply gossiping but there has been nothing.

    On the otherhand if The State is indeed involved then surely that involvement will be at a seriously high level and be subject to the OSA, no?


  10. longtimelurker says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:19

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19556304?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Haven’t even got to the end of the interview and find this doozy.

    If there is any evidence needed this man is a snake oil salesman it is here.

    0:53 secs (with regard to the need to settle matters if they want to get back into SPL)

    “Well I mean you’ve got to listen to your fans, we did that when they voted overwhelmingly to go to the thrid division”

    2.32 (on the question of he is grandstanding)

    “Lets keep the interview sensible, lets not start talking rubbish. I’ve never listened to the fans”

    He is telling so many lies he is loosing track of what he is saying from one minute to the next.

    Sevcovians you have been warned again.


  11. nice summary as usual Paul.

    I used to assume that directors of companies responsible for millions of pounds always had a plan. A strategy that had been carefully thought out with risks analysed and ways to mitigate those risks investigated.

    My experience in working in the financial industry has taught me that this isn’t always true and multi million pound projects are undertaken with little thought and planning.

    Many of the parties in this whole saga have just made things up as they go along. Mr Green has an end goal, to float on the stock market and make money from it. What is clear is that his plan of how this will be achieved changes from day to day as a reaction to whatever events take place. The best way to cover up the fact that you don’t have a cohesive idea of what you are doing is to make a lot of noise, deflect and distract.

    Duff and Phelps did the same thing, ran the business by reacting (although their long term plan was obviously a cheap sale to Green).

    The share issue is the next key date for Green. BDO, the FTT(T), the SPL inquiry are all just distractions to him.


  12. I concur with Not the Huddle, judging by past behaviour there is zero chance of NEWCLUB having it’s membership terminatedsuspended.


  13. jw hardin says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:41

    Could a moderator remove this post please Not for this site..


  14. If THE Rangers were never in the SPL who were the players that played Brechin registered with, before they obtained the license??? If it was with Rangers how did the represent THE Rangers??


  15. longtimelurker says:

    September 11, 2012 at 14:39
    September 11, 2012 at 14:36
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    MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:24
    longtimelurker says:
    September 11, 2012 at 13:51

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    Hi Mike,

    I’ve followed this story for years mate, since at least 1994/5, and have read both RTC and KDS since this all started way back in March 2011 and the amount of information leaked has been extraordinary and straight from the horses’ mouth so to speak but the silence on all things since July has been defeaning so much so that RTC has even hvng up his pen and the rest of the bampots such as CFCblog, Cartuja, Phil Mac, Goosey et-al are chasing snippets of information trying to make sense of what’s been going on and what is going on.

    So, surely if there are some legal reasons re criminality in respect of those that you mentioned then surely someone somewhere would be dropping hints or documents off at strategic locations or simply gossiping but there has been nothing.

    On the otherhand if The State is indeed involved then surely that involvement will be at a seriously high level and be subject to the OSA, no?
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    Hi Longtimelurker,

    As I said you may well be right and I know you have experience in these matters. Do you have a theory as to why Lord Hodge has not made his findings known up until now?

    I believe that Alex Thommo at one stage was tweeting/ stating that he had info from a lawyer ( believed to be connected to G. Souness) that there was a fraud of a massive scale still to come out regarding the Rangers story – that would make it pretty legal would you not agree ?


  16. Neither UK law nor EC law nor the written rules of either SFA, SPL, UEFA,or FIFA recognise the notion of a mortal “holding company ” and an immortal football club”
    So why on earh would a legally constituted Judicial Panel even consider RFC 2012(first asset owner) , Sevco 88 (second asset owner) or Sevco Scotland (third asset owner) as having any role in the Judicial Panel Protocol ?
    Think about it
    The evidence to be put before the Panel relates to whether named players with undisputed EBTs registered their EBTs with the SFA.
    This evidence is a matter of fact and is independent of the FTT ruling
    It does not require an input from RFC 2012. Clearly if there is a request from RFC 2012 to be afforded a plea of mitigation then natural justice demands it be heard
    . But if RFC 2012 decline to make such a plea then it will make no difference to the legality of the protocol
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    I suspect the timing of the Panel meeting is just spin by the SPL to enable the process to get under way in the outrage of the FTT ruling becoming public


  17. BDO involvememt imminent.
    FTT decision imminent.
    Lord Hodge’s verdict imminent.
    SPL’s dual contracts imminent
    SFA’s umpteen enquiries imminent
    General Election imminent
    Olympics 2016 imminent
    Which will happen first?
    Betfair odds:- 4/11 General Election, 25/1 bar.


  18. Auchinstarry says:
    September 11, 2012 at 13:02
    … Waterstones are selling THAT book. You know the book the “SUN” refused to serialise.
    My friend out East phoned both the Falkirk and Stirling Branches, and was told, Stirling branch answer, ” Yes we have the book in question, but are currently not displaying it”. Falkirk answer was ” Why do you want to know if we are selling THAT book”? He gave the distinct impression of Fear at admitting the book was available for purchase. What a situation. Is this Salman Rushdie and the Satanic verses being played out in Scottish book shops afraid to display material of a topic which will be of interest to many people.?
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    Auchinstarry – thanks but your piece is the saddest I’ve read for ages.

    When booksellers in our wee country are too scared by a faction of our population to sell their books it says a lot about our society and its values.

    No surprise that there is nothing about it in our media even though it is huge news and the silence from Holyrood remains deafening.

    Just where is Mr Salmond and all our other MSPs when there is real and unglamorous stuff to be done?


  19. smallteaser says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:58

    Without going too far down this road or appearing a paranoid nut case, there is some interesting material in that post…..the use of honey pots by the security services, the threat to social/public order and official responses to said threat………….


  20. Neal says:
    September 11, 2012 at 15:16

    ‘Just where is Mr Salmond and all our other MSPs when there is real and unglamorous stuff to be done?’

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    Perhaps they are reading the book ?? No probably not….


  21. MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 15:04

    Hi Longtimelurker,

    As I said you may well be right and I know you have experience in these matters. Do you have a theory as to why Lord Hodge has not made his findings known up until now?

    I believe that Alex Thommo at one stage was tweeting/ stating that he had info from a lawyer ( believed to be connected to G. Souness) that there was a fraud of a massive scale still to come out regarding the Rangers story – that would make it pretty legal would you not agree ?

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    Hi Mike, no mate I have no idea why this story is being suppressed by the authorities ref LH’s enquiry and yes of course you may well be correct re subjudice (sp) and I of course agree with you there.

    Just have to wait and see I suppose.

    Regards.


  22. So Green fears that the stripping of titles will devalue TRFC.
    He paid one shiny pound for the goodwill and I assume the titles were attaced to that.
    So we could say an even split of 50 new pence each. So each title cost just under 1 new pence.
    So losing the titles will devalue TRFC by max of 54p and a minimum of 1p.


  23. Neal @ 15:16

    The book’s on sale but it’s kept behind the counter rather than on display and they weren’t too afraid to stock or sell me the book last Friday when I asked for and bought my copy with minimal fuss- the helpful store assistant in waterstones even mentioned something about PMacG doing a talk or a signing.
    .


  24. Or maybe he meant the stripping of titles will devalue TRFC when he tries to sell it on?


  25. 1.MikeC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 15:04
    Hi Longtimelurker,
    As I said you may well be right and I know you have experience in these matters. Do you have a theory as to why Lord Hodge has not made his findings known up until now?
    I believe that Alex Thommo at one stage was tweeting/ stating that he had info from a lawyer ( believed to be connected to G. Souness) that there was a fraud of a massive scale still to come out regarding the Rangers story – that would make it pretty legal would you not agree ?
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    Mike/ LTL
    I think you are both spot on and here`s why
    It is not too difficult to join the dots between the web of shell Cos involved in this scam. As posted previously the Spivs distrust each other sufficiently to build in legal checks on each other to prevent a legal double cross. Their favourite tool seems to be a floating charge over a Co they plan to fold after it has served its purpose
    We know that Whyte tried to liquidate RFCG thus moving the floating charge to Liberty Corporate where his father is sole Director. This application was opposed on 4 Aug 2012 and the liquidation is now on hold . I can reveal that this MO is being repeated elsewhere and as recently as last week another related Co has had its liquidation opposed. I dont believe in coincidences
    I don`t know who is opposing these liquidations but I wouldn`t be surprised if it was a court decision at the request of the Bill.


  26. Goosy says:
    September 11, 2012 at 15:38

    I don`t know who is opposing these liquidations but I wouldn`t be surprised if it was a court decision at the request of the Bill.

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    Thanks Goosy.

    Is it possible that anyone on here can find out anything about who or what is doing the opposing and why?

    This might be the key that unravels the entire thing.


  27. miki67 says:
    September 11, 2012 at 15:51
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    ‘ Unscrubbable. ‘ Is that a real word?

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    No idea miki but a magnet does the trick re HDDS


  28. The Invisible Line says:
    September 11, 2012 at 14:55

    Angus – he says it in his interview right at the beginning
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    Arrr, I only read the written down versions of his mumblings over the last 24hrs. I stand corrected. 🙂


  29. With the continued ramblings of Charles Green of Sevco/Rangers Tribute Act bringing the whole of Scottish Football into disrepute and virtually encouraging the worst aspects of their support to commence civil disobedience against anyone who fails to tow their party line, the time has now come for the Scottish Football Authorities to elliminate this cancer from Scotland without further delay.


  30. eddie rice says:
    Anyone remember the name of the Hearts FC player who was discussed on RTC blog re EBTs and not being able to secure a morgage cause his P60 stated he was on minimum wage or something similar?
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    longtimelurker says:
    No doubt our Edinburgh bampots branch will be on soon to confirm but I seem to recall that it was one of the Estonians.
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    ER – I don’t think anyone was ever named on RTC.
    LTL – I can guarantee it wasn’t an Estonian. That’s one nationality that Vlad didn’t sign. More likely to be Lithuanian, Polish, Slovakian, Czech, Swiss, Greek, Portuguese, Spanish, Danish, Finnish, French, Moroccan, Chilian, Bosnian Brazilian as we’ve had them all in Vlad’s time.

    Seriously though. There has never been any evidence of Hearts having used EBTs. When the SPL raised the issue back in March or April it was more to do with undisclosed earnings (second contracts) rather than EBTs. Hearts could have been guilty on that score in connection with the large number of loan deals between Kaunas and Hearts. There is some suggestion that Hearts “big tax case” may also have been related to this.

    Mark Dickson as he was on RTC had some knowledge that Hearts lawyers had spent a couple of days with the SPL at Hampden at the end of April and the they had come away 100% satisfied with the outcome. I took that as being that the SPL were content with Hearts explanations, submissions, documentation etc.


  31. Angus says:
    September 11, 2012 at 16:01
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    Aye it’s away Angus, was pretty ‘offensive’ in an ironic kinda way.

    There was another one posted a couple of months ago which used the Holocaust and created quiet a stir at the time.

    Haus, I think the artist was.


  32. Charles mentioned in the BBC interview that he was speaking from Geneva and that FIFA could not believe what was being done to T’Rangers – given that last time he went to Switzerland, Corsica was able to track him to Zurich where UEFA and FIFA are not and that CW, DK and Ellis went there as well at same time – and that was before the 5 way agreement – seems another meeting is needed before a big event so all aprticipants can lay out the next stage………..

    Interesting!


  33. easyJambo says:
    September 11, 2012 at 16:27
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    __________________________________________________________________

    Pretty sure that the player was named on RTC or KDS EJ.


  34. The SPL Commission into the EBT Scandal by Rangers Football Club is to determine if they were used and if so, were they used illegally.
    There is no problem of any other SPL Club using EBT’s provided they have been used in a legal manner.
    The whole crux of Rangers Football Club is the apparent illegal use of EBT’s and not divulging
    all player incomes to the SPL when details of renumeration were submiited.


  35. easyJambo says:
    September 11, 2012 at 16:27

    That seems to tie in with my recollection from the RTC days.

    As we all know about Juninho my guess is that the Green statement on the number of other clubs running EBT’s (especially for players) is probably one we can chalk up with the rest of them in the upcoming Christmas best seller.

    The Boys Big Bumper Book of Yorkshire Pork Pies
    (Legends, myths and other Tall Tales)


  36. i certainly agree with mr green on one point he made.

    it has nothing to do with him…he runs new-rangers (formerly sevo scotland and sevco 5088)

    the new-rangers have never won any titles and as mr green states himself;
    …”we have never been in the spl…”

    one interesting aspect of this, is the “purchase” of titles [or any trophies, i guess]

    maybe mr green could “sell” the cup winners cup [of 1972] to raise some extra cash…
    maybe st.mirren or morton or st.johnstone could buy it from mr green and on that basis…surely the team purchasing the trophy can justifiably claim it to be their own !?

    in the meantime, as mr green, would like his sevco franchise to play in the spl in future, maybe the spl should have an independent panal to decide…if what is being decided by mr green…i/we at sevco do not accept the spl have any say in sevco matters, then, the spl could decide…
    ok, we have decided…no sevco franchise will ever be allowed entry into the spl.

    Quid pro Quo…


  37. Interesting in Greens radio interview when asked to name the people who caused the problems at RFC(nil), he replied saying that was history, but I thought he bought that!


  38. Good from stv

    Nine Scottish Premier League clubs, and Rangers, have received a slice of a €100m payout by UEFA for their contributions to Euro 2012.

    http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/189727-spl-clubs-and-rangers-receive-slice-of-100m-uefa-euro-2012-payout/

    FULL LIST OF PAYMENTS TO SCOTTISH CLUBS
    Aberdeen €14,675 (£11,707)
    Celtic €568,226 (£453,325)
    Dundee United €33,543 (£26,760)
    Rangers €339,623 (£270,948)
    Heart of Midlothian €76,520 (£61,046)
    Inverness Caledonian Thistle €20,964 (£16,724)
    Kilmarnock €33,543 (£26,760)
    Motherwell €20,964 (£16,724)
    Ross County €20,964 (£16,724)
    St Johnstone €8,386 (£6,690)
    _______

    Some money for the creditors at least


  39. Any comment from the Hampden bvnker today
    No, thought not
    They have probably been on the phone to Charlie, asking him what the blazes he thinks he is doing upsetting the apple cart

    Meanwhile emboldened by Charlie’s wild accusations, the Sevcovians have now joined in with their own unsubstantiated allegations, indeed would like to see this end up in court
    To be honest, so would I, as all of the shenanigans their despicable club/holding company, (delete as applicable), has been up to would be exposed
    The Sevcovians should be careful what they wish for


  40. As per Charlie green and his tribute act. Could hibs buy one of his Scottish cup wins so they don’t have to hear me sing about 1902 again.
    If he can buy history why can’t petrie and co.
    Why stop there…….get salmond to use oil money to buy a dusty world cup win off someone to shut out neighbours up.


  41. I note that Green was being interviewed on Radio Scotland from the ECA meeting in Geneva.

    http://www.ecaeurope.com/news/eca-general-assembly-in-geneva/

    Scotland’s two ordinary members are listed on the EC website as Celtic and Rangers (Aberdeen & Hearts are Associate members) based on the 2010 season.
    Normally it is a two year membership but this has been extended to the end of 2013 to tie in with Uefa cycles.

    Now correct me if I am wrong but Green is arguing (from Geneva) that T’Rangers have never been members of the SPL therefore he doesn’t need to turn up to the hearings (if ever asked) as they have no jurisdiction over them

    However membership of the ECA is based on what happened two years ago and T’Rangers weren’t around then.

    Therefore what right does he have to attend a meeting representing a club that no longer exists in the eyes of Uefa?

    OR

    Is he there as a shadow director for Rangers FC (IA)?

    Even if it is just for this season, why did the SPL/SFA not seek to upgrade Aberdeen or Hearts to Ordinary member status? (Another question the MSM hasn’t asked?)

    Was he actually let into the hall under accrediation or did he just blag his way in?

    Do we want this man represeting us on a European Stage?

    Hopefully he hung around for item 6 on the Agenda

    6. Financial Fair Play – An update on the implementation phase
    Speaker: Mr Jean-Luc Dehaene, Chief Investigator and Chairman of the Investigatory Chamber within the Club Financial Control Body


  42. Post in moderation for some reason.

    But the short version was Green said on the radio he was in Geneva at the ECA meeting.

    Who was he representing being T’ Rangers were not the club that the membership was given to two years ago?

    Why did the Footballng Authorities allow him to go?


  43. Charlie’s exit strategy.
    ==================

    I wouldn’t dare claim to know what his strategy is, as my head is starting to spin with all the recent developments! (Just like good old RTC days.)

    Anyway, as some have mentioned previously Charlie is certainly not stupid – but he is most certainly dangerous.

    We have now heard that bookshops are choosing not to display the ‘Downfall’ book, presumably through fear of intimidation or public disorder – allegedly.

    So if we consider that Charlie is going to do a runner in the short-term with his profit – how will the bears react to him personally?

    Mibbees we could guess how the hordes would treat him…

    …unless Charlie has been able to successfully spin so many stories and perhaps directed many allegations against individuals at the SFA/SPL/SFL and other clubs – that the bears are too busy directing their intimidation/threats etc to notice him slip out the back door at Ibrokes?

    If Charlie wants to holiday in Scotland in the future, and would prefer not to be constantly looking over his shoulder for years to come, then he has to dish up some serious dirt, (real or imagined), across Scottish football before he can safely head back down south for good.


  44. WOTTPI says:

    September 11, 2012 at 17:47

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    Post in moderation for some reason.

    But the short version was Green said on the radio he was in Geneva at the ECA meeting.

    Who was he representing being T’ Rangers were not the club that the membership was given to two years ago?

    Why did the Footballng Authorities allow him to go?

    Why would the English Con Artists have a meeting in Geneva?


  45. WOTTPI – correct – I heard him say that – and last time UEFA said they had no meeting with him despite him telling everyone he was off to a meeting with them – and of course no follow up from MSM on the strange travle plans not making sense

    Until our very own travel agent Corisica traced him to Zurich on a Swiss Air flight………to a meeting with Ellis, Whyte and King.

    Methinks the same thing worked then – now it has worked again.

    If I were a Bear I would also be asking who is paying for this trip given that T’Rangers are still quite poor in terms of budget for the season…..or is this along the liens of staying at luxery hotels before games at Peterhead etc……

    Can only end in tears……….


  46. Now Alistair Johnston has joined the circle of wagons round the dEBTdome

    Alistair Johnston speaks on the SPL charges

    on Tuesday, 11 September 2012. Posted in Latest

    The Rangers Supporters Trust has been in correspondence with former Rangers Chairman Alistair Johnston and he has kindly agreed that we publish a synopsis of his thoughts on a variety of salient points in order that fans can have a better appreciation of the facts.

    Let me explain my personal motivation here. If in any way I can spread my sentiments, which are based on a combination of knowledge of the facts, interpretation of events, and a philosophical understanding of culpability as it relates to punishment, that in some way would cause the Tribunal that is sitting to determine the destiny of Rangers heritage to pause for thought and provide more objective consideration of the case before them, then my agenda will be to a greater extent served. I just can’t sit by on the side-lines and watch a miscarriage of justice be activated by a kangaroo court. It is not my personal objective to denigrate the football institutions of Scotland, but their actions and words go a long way to influencing public opinion as to the interpretation of the events that have taken place and how members of the public frame their own opinions as a result.

    The whole process has been established to satisfy a self-serving agenda by vested interests in the SPL. The SFA, however, is the supreme governing body of Scottish football and should invoke its ultimate authority to forestall the inevitable inequity that will ensue if the capital punishment decision is left to the SPL.

    The SFA is complicit in all of this because they have not at least up until now had the courage to publicly acknowledge that they either ignored or did not really understand the well-publicized structure surrounding the relationship that Rangers FC had with certain of its players.

    I have been reviewing my files from around April 2011 relating to the annual routine of Rangers FC applying for and being granted a license to participate in organized football in Scotland. Because of the publicity surrounding our club at the time, the SFA wrote to us asking for more details about the public speculation concerning our financial and tax situation. The latter obviously referenced the impact of the EBT schemes as creating a potential taxation liability. The club responded accordingly and provided details, as it had done in previous years, by declaring player salaries, bonuses, benefits, etc., but also payments made to a Remuneration Trust. The SFA compliance officers must have known, both from the description and context of the reports, that such expenditures had some connection to player compensation. However, without any further investigation at the time, Rangers FC received its SFA license to compete in the 2011/2012 season. Rangers, therefore, were entitled to believe that they were not in breach of any SFA regulation requiring reporting of player compensation. If there was any question that the essence of these payments to a Remuneration Trust could have endangered the proud historical record of our team, then why was it not raised long before then.

    At best, the SFA is relying on inconsistent interpretation of its own rules, and to do this retrospectively is totally at odds with underlying principles of equity in the law. A lawyer representing Celtic recently was successful in having charges against that club dropped because of the inadequacy of the SFA’s prescribed rules, regulations, and sanctions. The same principle should apply here. If the SFA now decide to adopt a more focused evaluation of the data they request from its members in order to be granted a license, they should ensure that the legislation upon which they rely for enforcement and the corresponding sanctions are more transparent and predictable.

    Let me also address the prevailing mood in certain quarters that seems determined to pile on to Rangers when they are vulnerable as confusion over the current structure and authority has allowed allegations and conjecture to trump reality as the institution of the club seems now to be a pawn where rhetoric, no matter how real or substantiated, prevails. Inflammatory and emotional words have been used and recited to justify this rush to judgment which I believe are fundamentally ill founded and out of proportion to the realities of the events that transpired.

    First, when the previous football commission reported on EBT’s in a very high profile statement, they took the view that if Rangers was indeed guilty of structuring EBT schemes that transgressed the law or the rules of the relevant federations, then this was “close to match fixing.” This is the headline that in my opinion prompted the determination to slay Rangers with capital punishment, which in the case of our club would retrospectively alter the records of our historical achievements of which we are all so proud. “Match fixing” has connotations that correctly relate to bribery and corruption involving players and referees, fielding players that did not meet the criteria and qualifications of the governing bodies, e.g. they were over the age limit, or they were registered to another club, or they were playing while they had been banned for previous misdemeanours, etc., etc. Rangers has never been accused of or been remotely involved in any activity that would justify the terminology that whatever transgressions they might be found guilty of perpetrating was close to “match fixing.”

    Secondly, and this is really important to the extent that it is a phrase that is prominent in the rhetoric of those whose objective is to crucify Rangers, and that is “financial doping.” The term as I interpret it is an attempt to relate an activity that is outlawed generally throughout the world of sport and regarded as cheating and taking undue advantage of banned stimulants and conjure up a connection with the financial mechanics of a club that has acknowledged that it in the clear light of day and very transparently embraced the use of Remuneration Trusts. Our opponents maintain, illogically, that without the use of EBT’s Rangers would have been unable to afford the quality of players that they fielded and thus gained an advantage over other clubs against which they competed. As an aside, it is interesting to recognize that there has been no complaints about Rangers fielding such players in the Champions League, the Europa League, etc., but the current accusations are being promoted not coincidentally by other members of the SPL who are now attempting to act as judge, jury and executioner against their consistently most potent rival.

    The reality of the situation is that Sir David Murray, who was intimately involved in the architecture of these efforts to organize the business in a way to mitigate taxation which is totally legitimate and acceptable under all tenets of the law, would have signed and paid for these very same players whether or not EBT schemes were in effect or not. The only difference being one which only has a financial consequence, i.e. it would have increased Rangers reliance on bank debt. During most of the period under investigation by the upcoming SPL Tribunal, he as well as his company enjoyed a very mutually productive relationship with the Bank of Scotland. The Rangers Board, of which I was a member, consistently believed that if and when the debt reached a level where the bank became uncomfortable, Sir David as he did in 2004 when he underwrote a subscription for Rangers shares and thus eliminated much of the bank debt, would be able and willing to repeat this recovery effort. Whether or not he ultimately would have done so is now irrelevant, but what is clear is that “financial doping” is not and could never be construed as describing a situation where a club extends its credit facilities with a recognized financial institution. The level of the debt that a club is willing to tolerate, whether you are Celtic or Manchester United, is determined by that club in conjunction with the lender. Whether the amount involved is £10 million or £600 million is irrelevant to the principle.

    On the other hand, I have to acknowledge that the malfeasance created by Craig Whyte when he manifestly used funds that did not belong to Rangers, i.e. taxes withheld from employees’ wage checks that rightfully should have been transmitted to HMRC, which avoided him having to invest his own money contrary to his expressed commitment to the Rangers stakeholders to do otherwise, and being either unwilling or unable (or both) to raise any credit to invest into Rangers, exposed our club as a victim of what could be loosely determined as “financial doping.” Thus, Whyte was able to pay the club’s operating expenses including player wages, but it was Rangers which suffered by being ultimately forced into liquidation.

    Keep in mind, which is not always clear in the molasses of misinformation that is currently circulating, Rangers went into liquidation and suffered all the penalties and sanctions of which we are now aware, solely because of Mr. Whyte’s failure to pay HMRC the withholding tax that the club collected during the short term of his disgraceful proprietorship.

    Finally, I would hope that the panel which has been charged with investigating Rangers’ activities will draw a large circle around a universe of relevant reference points that should be considered in assessing the magnitude of the allegations made against the Club. For example, was the accepted practice of mitigating players overall tax liability utilized by several of the biggest clubs in Europe by drawing up separate contracts segregating off their image rights, which essentially denied that any compensation related thereto was a function of their obligation to play football, any different in principle than the alleged actions of Rangers FC?


  47. FYI – why has T’Rangers got membership of ECA along with Hearts, Celtic and Aberdeen?

    http://www.ecaeurope.com/

    Is CG really in favour of this

    ECA Objectives:
    •to safeguard and promote the interests of European club football in particular, and club football in general;
    •to represent the interests of the clubs as employers and to act as a social partner where appropriate;
    •to contribute to the healthy development of European club competitions organised by UEFA, by taking part in the relevant decision-making process;
    •to contribute to the good governance of European football, in particular by participating in the appropriate bodies established within UEFA;
    •to foster the exchange of information and expertise between clubs and other football stakeholders;
    •to support and uphold the sporting values aand principles on which European football is based;
    •to maintain contacts, cooperation and negotiations with any football-related organisations, or with any relevant public and private institutions as well as with non-member clubs.


  48. http://www.rangerssupporterstrust.co.uk/item/alistair-johnston-speaks-on-the-spl-charges.html

    Alistair Johnston speaks on the SPL charges
    on Tuesday, 11 September 2012. Posted in Latest
    The Rangers Supporters Trust has been in correspondence with former Rangers Chairman Alistair Johnston and he has kindly agreed that we publish a synopsis of his thoughts on a variety of salient points in order that fans can have a better appreciation of the facts.

    Let me explain my personal motivation here. If in any way I can spread my sentiments, which are based on a combination of knowledge of the facts, interpretation of events, and a philosophical understanding of culpability as it relates to punishment, that in some way would cause the Tribunal that is sitting to determine the destiny of Rangers heritage to pause for thought and provide more objective consideration of the case before them, then my agenda will be to a greater extent served. I just can’t sit by on the side-lines and watch a miscarriage of justice be activated by a kangaroo court. It is not my personal objective to denigrate the football institutions of Scotland, but their actions and words go a long way to influencing public opinion as to the interpretation of the events that have taken place and how members of the public frame their own opinions as a result.

    The whole process has been established to satisfy a self-serving agenda by vested interests in the SPL. The SFA, however, is the supreme governing body of Scottish football and should invoke its ultimate authority to forestall the inevitable inequity that will ensue if the capital punishment decision is left to the SPL.

    The SFA is complicit in all of this because they have not at least up until now had the courage to publicly acknowledge that they either ignored or did not really understand the well-publicized structure surrounding the relationship that Rangers FC had with certain of its players.

    I have been reviewing my files from around April 2011 relating to the annual routine of Rangers FC applying for and being granted a license to participate in organized football in Scotland. Because of the publicity surrounding our club at the time, the SFA wrote to us asking for more details about the public speculation concerning our financial and tax situation. The latter obviously referenced the impact of the EBT schemes as creating a potential taxation liability. The club responded accordingly and provided details, as it had done in previous years, by declaring player salaries, bonuses, benefits, etc., but also payments made to a Remuneration Trust. The SFA compliance officers must have known, both from the description and context of the reports, that such expenditures had some connection to player compensation. However, without any further investigation at the time, Rangers FC received its SFA license to compete in the 2011/2012 season. Rangers, therefore, were entitled to believe that they were not in breach of any SFA regulation requiring reporting of player compensation. If there was any question that the essence of these payments to a Remuneration Trust could have endangered the proud historical record of our team, then why was it not raised long before then.

    At best, the SFA is relying on inconsistent interpretation of its own rules, and to do this retrospectively is totally at odds with underlying principles of equity in the law. A lawyer representing Celtic recently was successful in having charges against that club dropped because of the inadequacy of the SFA’s prescribed rules, regulations, and sanctions. The same principle should apply here. If the SFA now decide to adopt a more focused evaluation of the data they request from its members in order to be granted a license, they should ensure that the legislation upon which they rely for enforcement and the corresponding sanctions are more transparent and predictable.

    Let me also address the prevailing mood in certain quarters that seems determined to pile on to Rangers when they are vulnerable as confusion over the current structure and authority has allowed allegations and conjecture to trump reality as the institution of the club seems now to be a pawn where rhetoric, no matter how real or substantiated, prevails. Inflammatory and emotional words have been used and recited to justify this rush to judgment which I believe are fundamentally ill founded and out of proportion to the realities of the events that transpired.

    First, when the previous football commission reported on EBT’s in a very high profile statement, they took the view that if Rangers was indeed guilty of structuring EBT schemes that transgressed the law or the rules of the relevant federations, then this was “close to match fixing.” This is the headline that in my opinion prompted the determination to slay Rangers with capital punishment, which in the case of our club would retrospectively alter the records of our historical achievements of which we are all so proud. “Match fixing” has connotations that correctly relate to bribery and corruption involving players and referees, fielding players that did not meet the criteria and qualifications of the governing bodies, e.g. they were over the age limit, or they were registered to another club, or they were playing while they had been banned for previous misdemeanours, etc., etc. Rangers has never been accused of or been remotely involved in any activity that would justify the terminology that whatever transgressions they might be found guilty of perpetrating was close to “match fixing.”

    Secondly, and this is really important to the extent that it is a phrase that is prominent in the rhetoric of those whose objective is to crucify Rangers, and that is “financial doping.” The term as I interpret it is an attempt to relate an activity that is outlawed generally throughout the world of sport and regarded as cheating and taking undue advantage of banned stimulants and conjure up a connection with the financial mechanics of a club that has acknowledged that it in the clear light of day and very transparently embraced the use of Remuneration Trusts. Our opponents maintain, illogically, that without the use of EBT’s Rangers would have been unable to afford the quality of players that they fielded and thus gained an advantage over other clubs against which they competed. As an aside, it is interesting to recognize that there has been no complaints about Rangers fielding such players in the Champions League, the Europa League, etc., but the current accusations are being promoted not coincidentally by other members of the SPL who are now attempting to act as judge, jury and executioner against their consistently most potent rival.

    The reality of the situation is that Sir David Murray, who was intimately involved in the architecture of these efforts to organize the business in a way to mitigate taxation which is totally legitimate and acceptable under all tenets of the law, would have signed and paid for these very same players whether or not EBT schemes were in effect or not. The only difference being one which only has a financial consequence, i.e. it would have increased Rangers reliance on bank debt. During most of the period under investigation by the upcoming SPL Tribunal, he as well as his company enjoyed a very mutually productive relationship with the Bank of Scotland. The Rangers Board, of which I was a member, consistently believed that if and when the debt reached a level where the bank became uncomfortable, Sir David as he did in 2004 when he underwrote a subscription for Rangers shares and thus eliminated much of the bank debt, would be able and willing to repeat this recovery effort. Whether or not he ultimately would have done so is now irrelevant, but what is clear is that “financial doping” is not and could never be construed as describing a situation where a club extends its credit facilities with a recognized financial institution. The level of the debt that a club is willing to tolerate, whether you are Celtic or Manchester United, is determined by that club in conjunction with the lender. Whether the amount involved is £10 million or £600 million is irrelevant to the principle.

    On the other hand, I have to acknowledge that the malfeasance created by Craig Whyte when he manifestly used funds that did not belong to Rangers, i.e. taxes withheld from employees’ wage checks that rightfully should have been transmitted to HMRC, which avoided him having to invest his own money contrary to his expressed commitment to the Rangers stakeholders to do otherwise, and being either unwilling or unable (or both) to raise any credit to invest into Rangers, exposed our club as a victim of what could be loosely determined as “financial doping.” Thus, Whyte was able to pay the club’s operating expenses including player wages, but it was Rangers which suffered by being ultimately forced into liquidation.

    Keep in mind, which is not always clear in the molasses of misinformation that is currently circulating, Rangers went into liquidation and suffered all the penalties and sanctions of which we are now aware, solely because of Mr. Whyte’s failure to pay HMRC the withholding tax that the club collected during the short term of his disgraceful proprietorship.

    Finally, I would hope that the panel which has been charged with investigating Rangers’ activities will draw a large circle around a universe of relevant reference points that should be considered in assessing the magnitude of the allegations made against the Club. For example, was the accepted practice of mitigating players overall tax liability utilized by several of the biggest clubs in Europe by drawing up separate contracts segregating off their image rights, which essentially denied that any compensation related thereto was a function of their obligation to play football, any different in principle than the alleged actions of Rangers FC?


  49. The thrust of AJs arguments against the SFA seems to be that they asked for more information about player remuneration prior to granting their licence for 2011/12 and that the subsequent granting of the licence implies that the SFA were ok with what was going on.

    Well AJ – you have just confirmed that the EBTS were connected with player remuneration, but what did you disclose about your outstanding tax bill(s) at that time?

    ……………. cue Auldheid 🙂


  50. Given that Rangers in whatever form they exist(ed) won’t be playing European football for at least 3 seasons I now must put to the floor what the ECA business trip is a smoke screen for? It’s a long way to go for a nice buffet and to sit listening intently to the shakers and movers when there are more pressing matters to attend to back home.


  51. StevieBC says:
    September 11, 2012 at 17:51

    So if we consider that Charlie is going to do a runner in the short-term with his profit – how will the bears react to him personally?
    ——–

    If he pulls the one I mentioned – appearing to be “driven out” by a never-ending stream of unfair decisions taken by the evil authorities after trying his damnedest to make RFC glorious once again, then he’ll remain a hero to them.

    This is what he needs to do – exit with the cash, whilst having the bears convinced of his heroic status. Financial gain and personal safety.

    And it’s all shaping up quite nicely for him.


  52. AJ is as nuts as CG

    Quote

    First, when the previous football commission reported on EBT’s in a very high profile statement, they took the view that if Rangers was indeed guilty of structuring EBT schemes that transgressed the law or the rules of the relevant federations, then this was “close to match fixing.”

    End quote

    Utter bollocks

    Match fixing was to do with not paying taxes for a year and spending it on giving your players raises rather than sellign them – nothing to do with EBTs

    Plus it is all Lawwell’s fault apparently

    By the way – on the ECA – one committee has Ali Russell form Rangers on the committee for Marketing – but since I did not see him the Sevco investor list so I assume he has been replace by CG? Hope so since Rapid Vienna has their rep on the same committee

    Mission: to oversee on club football marketing, communication and promotion as well as to define a coherent “up-to-date” strategy around commercial opportunities.

    Chairman: Sandro Rosell (FC Barcelona)

    Vice-Chairman: Ron Gourlay (Chelsea FC)

    Working Group Members:
    •Rauf Dimraj (KF Tirana)
    •Werner Kuhn (SK Rapid Wien)
    •Marios Georgiou (APOEL FC)
    •Thomas Christensen (Odense BK)
    •Edward Woodward (Manchester United FC)
    •Thierry Sauvage (Olympique Lyonnais)
    •Klaus Filbry (SV Werder Bremen)
    •Stefan Mennerich (FC Bayern München)
    •Salvatore Cuccu (ACF Fiorentina)
    •Antanas Sakavickas (Skonto FC)
    •Igor Angelovski (FK Rabotnicki)
    •Mark Koevermans (Feyenoord Rotterdam)
    •Arkadiusz Kasprzak (KKS Lech Poznan)
    •Domingos Soares Oliveira (Sport Lisboa e Benfica)
    •Ali Russell (Rangers FC)
    •Michal Mertinyák (MFK Ružomberok)
    •Alf Johansson (Djurgårdens IF)

    Peter Lawwell and Eric Reily are on other committees – lets hope they catch a hold of Charles there!


  53. easyJambo @18:01

    No surprises there
    As expected the propaganda war is now underway, and Johnston has joined the ranks of those who are prepared to twist and spin facts to suit the agenda
    Their objective is to discredit the whole process, by asking us to believe that there was nothing underhand in what RFC(IA) did with regards to payments to players

    He has also joined Charlie in placing a bomb underneath the SFA/SPL, by effectively saying they were aware of how these payments were structured
    Deflection doesn’t cover that statement from Mr Surrender No


  54. Johnston is bonkers if he really believes 10% of that rubbish.

    They ran a tax avoidance scheme, told the SFA, the SFA did nothing and said nothing ergo everything was just fine and dandy.

    Now call me old fashioned but if I were the CEO of a major Scottish company facing problems over a tax strategy I think I would take expert legal advice form an, ehr, expert not from (with all due respect) Vincent Lunny.

    The lunatics have really taken over the asylum.


  55. Seems like Alistair Johnston is going down the same route as Charlie Green. Their stance is that the SFA and SPL knew what was going on regarding the EBT tax dodging and dual contracts, and did nothing. The SFA and SPL are being told that if they want to dredge up the dodgy dealing between them all, then RFC and the Tribute Act will be dredging up the role of the footballing authorities in the whole corrupt saga.
    With these new revelations by Green and Johnston that the SFA and SPL were part of the crooked deals and turned a blind eye to probable tax evasion and dual contracts, surely now is the time for UEFA to step forward?
    Regan and Doncaster have been double crossed by their partners in crime, they won’t last long now.


  56. And in case anyone doubts that the Peepil cannot be forced fed nonsense that makes them think something is afoot – let’s have a history lesson

    Souness left Rangers for Liverpool – he was found out trying to leave and Rangers asked him to leave – he said he was leaving for family reasons etc – all run of the mill stuff

    however then the interviews from the fans come on – SFA and Farry wanted him gone…..etc – just how they came to that conclusion only our old mate Jack knows!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSYvt78yJs


  57. The Invisible Line says:
    September 11, 2012 at 18:17

    Peter Lawwell and Eric Reily are on other committees – lets hope they catch a hold of Charles there!

    Oh noes! They will be infecting everyone else on those committees with anti-Rangers bias! Or at least a perception of such should they ever be required to provide a judgment on Rangers.


  58. ….agreed OF
    The A(Surrender No) J statement….? what a complete & utter load of Jackson Pollocks.!
    No substance whatsoever..i’m surprised at him & thought he was capable of soo much more guff for the masses.
    But the sh*t storm he has spotted in his rear view is now so close he can actually taste the stench…!! The End is most certainly Nigh


  59. easyJambo @18.01

    – thanks for posting that – as clear a demonstration as you will ever get of the depth of denial Rangers/T’Rangers minded people are currently experiencing. Johnston finishes his piece by once again portraying Rangers/T’Rangers as victims!

    Believers in Johnstons version of events are utterly deluded.

    Rangers were the architects of their own downfall. No other person or organisation is to blame. SDM WAS Rangers. Craig Whyte WAS Rangers. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp – the controlling mind IS the company/club. If anything, Johnston and his cohorts are guilty of gross negligence and ignorance is no defence, as BDO will soon determine (in my opinion).
    If the SPL investigation exonerates Rangers and the FTT(T) find in their favour, then I will publicly retract my comments and unconditionally apologise for being a muppet. Won’t happen though.

    T’Rangers/Sevco should consider themselves very fortunate that they are allowed to operate at all, never mind having a few conditions attached to their SFA licence and SFL membership – a licence and membership they should not have.

    Neither Rangers or T’Rangers/Sevco have been punished at all, other than a fine, as yet unpaid, imposed by the SFA AT – how often must we repeat that? .

    Mini rant over. Beer time. Cheers!


  60. so basically – the defence is summed up as “if campbell didnae say anything, happy days”


  61. It is certain that Green would like to try and claim the money from the UEFA payout. He has given himself a problem, he cannot try and claim any of the UEFA monies as he stated they have never been in the SPL.

    So money must belong to the creditor pot, nice one Charlie.


  62. easyJambo says:
    September 11, 2012 at 18:01
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    Now Alistair Johnston has joined the circle of wagons round the dEBTdome
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    I must remember to refresh the page before posting. 🙂


  63. And the spending continues….

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19564270

    Rangers hand teenage trio long-term deals

    Rangers have given contract extensions to three teenagers who have broken into the first team now that the Ibrox club are playing in Division Three.

    Barrie McKay, Lewis Macleod and Robbie Crawford have penned new five-year contracts at Ibrox.

    McKay, the 17-year-old forward who arrived from Kilmarnock in 2011, had been linked with Everton this summer.

    The 18-year-old Macleod and 19-year-old fellow midfielder Crawford have come through the Ibrox youth system.

    And Macleod, who has started all eight of Rangers’ matches this season, told the club website: “I wouldn’t want to sign anywhere else, so to be here at Rangers is great.

    “I’ve been here since I was 10, so it’s been a long time and a big part of my life.

    “Playing week in and week out in front of almost 50,000 fans has been great.”

    Crawford has been a regular on Rangers’ bench and made four appearances so far, while McKay has played nine times and scored in a 2-2 draw with Peterhead


  64. So is this Greens legal advice?

    GIOVANNI DI STEFANO@DEVILSADVOKAT
    I agree totally with stance taken by Charles Green re SPL and as shareholder RFC have reiterated the issues in writing to SPL.


  65. Wow, just when you thought the madcap statements were just confined to Green. Clearly everyone connected with RFC (RIP) know something bad is coming and they are beginning to crap themselves. Getting their retaliation in early. What odds Walter Myth reappears tomorrow with his own statement or even Dodgy Dave himself?

    Johnston is full of crap of course. If Dodgy Dave could had afforded the EBT players then why would he have bothered setting up an EBT scheme in the first place? Why not just “write a cheque” as Johnston blithely puts it? Bet you that simple observation will be beyond most of our MSM hacks.

    I suspect they know that the SPL have all the evidence they need to strip the titles.

    Saw an appropriate joke on twitter: “How can you tell when a Rangers man is lying? He releases a statement!” 😀


  66. The Invisible Line says:
    September 11, 2012 at 18:17

    AJ is as nuts as CG

    Quote

    First, when the previous football commission reported on EBT’s in a very high profile statement, they took the view that if Rangers was indeed guilty of structuring EBT schemes that transgressed the law or the rules of the relevant federations, then this was “close to match fixing.”

    End quote

    Utter bollocks

    Match fixing was to do with not paying taxes for a year and spending it on giving your players raises rather than sellign them – nothing to do with EBTs

    That’s a shocking error, isn’t it.

    We’ve been a wee bit quiet in our castigations of the media, but when someone is stating utter bloody lies to your face, don’t you as a journalist have a duty to your profession and the public, not to mention your own self respect, to call them on it rather than just allow them to say what they want to say and present it to your audience comment-free?

    The interviewer (Idessane?) was pathetic this morning interviewing Green – he was obviously getting upset and vulnerable to some incisive questioning and Idessane just flubbed it to avoid spilling into the next item or providing uncomfortable listening over the nation’s family breakfast tables.

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