The following post comes about as a result of the research and work put in by Auldheid.
He has drafted the submission to FIFA detailed below after closely looking at their rules, and taking on board the points contained in the Glasnost “Golden Rule” blog. TSFM has attached the blog’s name to the report since the overwhelming – but not unanimous – view of our readership is that the SFA and the SPL have again gotten themselves into an almighty and embarrassingly amateur fankle over this issue.
We believe that tens of thousands of football fans will be lost to the game if the outcome of the LNS enquiry is not perceived to be commensurate with the scope and extent of the rule breaking that LNS found had taken place. In view of this, we believe that we have to do what we can to explore all possibilities for justice for those who love the game so much and yet are utterly disillusioned by recent events.
LNS is not being questioned here. He has found that RFC were guilty as charged by the SPL.
What is being questioned is the SFA’s crucial – and seemingly conflicted – role in the LNS enquiry, as is the effectiveness of LNS’s recommended sanction as either a deterrent or an upholder of sporting integrity.
It came to our notice last week that FIFA have created a web site at
https://www.bkms-system.net/bkwebanon/report/clientInfo?cin=6fifa61&language=eng
that tells us that FIFA have implemented a regulatory framework which is intended to ensure that all statutory rules, rules of conduct and internal guidelines of FIFA are respected and complied with.
In support of that regulatory framework FIFA have set up the above site as a reporting mechanism by means of which inappropriate behaviour and infringements of the pertinent regulations may be reported.
FIFA say that their jurisdiction encompasses misconduct that (1) relates to match manipulation; (2) occurs in or affects more than one confederation, so that it cannot adequately be addressed by a single confederation; or (3) would ordinarily be addressed by a confederation or association, but, under the particular facts at issue, has not been or is unlikely to be dealt with appropriately at that level.
Discussions arising from the previous blog on TSFM, “Gilt Edged Justice”, which was published after Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) ruled on the registration of Rangers players who had contractual side letters that were not disclosed to the SFA as part of their registration, suggest that there may be possible unfortunate consequences for football arising from the evidence presented by the SFA to the LNS enquiry that informed its findings on registration and consequent eligibility. There is also a question of the propriety of the SFA providing evidence on an issue which could have had a negative impact on them had it been found that they had failed to carrying out their registration duties with due rigour over a period of ten years when the existence of EBTs was known to officials within the SFA.
On the basis that the LNS findings require that registration rules be clarified by FIFA and rewritten globally if necessary to remove any ambiguity and under clause 3 above, this appears to be an issue that the FIFA should examine and that the SFA cannot address.
The following report has therefore been submitted by TSFM on behalf of its readers to FIFA drawing on the content and debate following the “Gilt Edged Justice” blog in respect of the possible footballing consequences of the LNS enquiry.
The hope is that by speaking for so many supporters, FIFA will give the TSFM submission some weight, but individuals are free of course to make their own points in their own way. We await acknowledgement of the submission.
The report Submitted to FIFA is as follows;
This report was prepared on behalf of the 10,000-strong readership of The Scottish Football Monitor at http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/
It is our belief that FIFA general rules of conduct were breached by the SFA and their employees in both creating and then advising The Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) enquiry into the non disclosure of full payment information to the Scottish Football Association (SFA) by Rangers F.C during a period of player registration over 10 years from 2000.We believe that although the issue has been addressed by the SFA the particular facts at issue suggest that it has not been dealt with appropriately and we therefore ask FIFA to investigate. The facts at issue are that the process and advice given failed to uphold sporting integrity, and that a conflict of interest was at play.
We believe the advice provided and the enquiry set up, where SFA both advised and is the appellant body, breaches not only the integrity the registration rules were intended to uphold, but also totally undermines the integrity of the SFA in breach of General Conduct rules 1, 2 and 4. (See below.)
1. Firstly we believe that the advice supplied to LNS that an incorrectly registered player was eligible to play as long as the registration was accepted by the SFA however unwittingly, undermines the intent of the SPL/SFA rules on player registration and so undermines the integrity of football in three ways.
• It incentivises clubs to apply for a player to be registered even if they know that the conditions of registration are not satisfied, in the hope that the application will somehow ‘slip through the net’ and be granted anyway (in which case it will be valid until revoked).
• A club which discovers that it has made an error in its application is incentivized to say nothing and to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ – because it would be in a better position by not confessing its mistake.
• And most importantly, it incentivises fraud. By deliberately concealing relevant information, a club can ensure that a player who does not satisfy the registration conditions is treated as being eligible – and therefore allowed to play – for as long as a period as possible (potentially his entire spell with the club). Then, if the club is no longer around when the deception is finally discovered, imposing meaningful sanctions may be impossible.
2. Secondly we believe the process followed was inappropriate due to a Conflict of Interest. Had the LNS enquiry not ruled on the basis of advice supplied by The SFA, they and those persons advising the LNS enquiry, could have been subjected to censure and the SFA to potential compensation claims had LNS found that the players were indeed ineligible to play and results then been annulled as was SFA practice when an ineligible player played.
3. Finally we contend that a law should not be applied according to its literal meaning if to do so would lead to an absurdity or a manifest injustice or in this case loss of football integrity.
See http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/gilt-edged-justice/4. We therefore ask FIFA to investigate both the process used and advice given to Lord Nimmo Smith to satisfy themselves that FIFA’s intentions with regard to upholding the integrity of football under FIFA rules have not been seriously damaged by the LNS findings and also to reassure Scottish football supporters that the integrity of our game has not been sacrificed by the very authority in whose care it has been placed to promote the short term cause of commercialism to the games long term detriment.
General Rules of Conduct (These are taken from the FIFA web site itself and can be found as part of completing the submission process)
1. Persons bound by this Code are expected to be aware of the importance of their duties and concomitant obligations and responsibilities.
2. Persons bound by this Code are obliged to respect all applicable laws and regulations as well as FIFA’s regulatory framework to the extent applicable to them.
3. N/A
4. Persons bound by this Code may not abuse their position in any way, especially to take advantage of their position for private aims or gains.
O/T Margaret Thatcher has passed away.
RE: Jackson and the DR.
As far as I can see, Jackson has basically cribbed all his info from here (Hi Keith!), much like he did when he was forced to retract his story about ticketu…..er…. sorry, I mean, broke the story about Craig Whyte’s dodgy deals.
I don’t think it’s that he’s suddenly developed a conscience about what’s going on, or that he’s scared that he’ll look a bit stupid in the coming months (he’s the ‘wealth off the radar!’ man, after all….). I think it’s just more likely that , as Big Pink said, there’s a new horse to back.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some or all of the Blue Knights (or associates of them) suddenly come out the woodwork in the coming months. Let me be clear, I don’t actually have any secret info that’s lead me to this conclusion – I only base it on what happened last time the DR suddenly turned on the owner of the club playing out of Ibrox, having peddled his nonsense previously without question.
SMFC Statement;
After a very studied consideration of the Structure, Articles of Association, Rules and Shareholders Agreement, the Board of St Mirren Football Club have decided that they will be unable to support the motion at next Monday’s Meeting of SPL Clubs regarding this proposal for League Reconstruction.
This view has been taken after careful thought regarding this proposal including engagement with fans and the views of our coaching staff.
The principles of a new league structure, single league body and all through distribution model are part of many aspects of this we fully support, however the proposal as presented does not, in our view, move the game forward.
The concept of playing 22 games prior to breaking into three leagues of eight, including the middle eight losing their points gained in the first series of games, is not a system we see as taking the game forward in the long term. You will be aware that other countries have tried this system and have since rejected such a set up.
We also feel that this system is not fair to fans who buy into their club by way of a season ticket, who are then unsure of what they are purchasing. It is also against the basic wishes of the fans for larger leagues as highlighted in all recent fan surveys.
In the proposed rules the voting structure is remaining, in all items that are of importance, an 11-1 vote. In our opinion, this is fundamentally wrong in any structure and is the principle reason why Scottish League Football has not been able to restructure prior to this time, a view St Mirren have held for some time.
The restriction on any change for three years is also very much against our view. When engaging with any new rule book there will always be oversight and anomalies that need to be revised on an annual basis.
An area St Mirren are very uncomfortable with is the lock down on various financial rules. The credibility of Scottish Football has been tarnished badly in recent times by financial mismanagement and the time has come for strong financial rules to be in place.
Another concern to us is the hard line taken by some in certain areas, like season start date, home-grown talent, under-21 rules. This is not an exhaustive list, however we do think these items require negotiation for the betterment of Scottish Football in general.
We also do not accept that this is a take it or leave it situation. We do wish to keep working towards one organisation, an all through distribution model and getting closer to our supporters’ wishes of a larger league, while being fully aware of the commercial and financial pressures of operating a football club.
Give it half an hour and Charlie will be on telling us about the time down the pits when the iron lady was at her worst and how he dealt with that.
Assuming that brown stuff is about to hit the fan down Ibrox way, in no small part due to the on-going dual between TGEF and CG – one of the first outcomes will be an adverse reaction from the market and the authorities.
I was thinking about the following tweet from Barcabhoy and the effects on Cenkos:
Barcabhoy@Barcabhoy122h
Green has made many stupid statements,however for a UK plc CEO to mislead the market via RFC website places Cenkos and non execs in trouble
If there is a distinct possibility that the spivs are likely to leave the stage with much of the £22M raised from the IPO – or that much of this has been burned allready – a consortia heading up RFC Mark III are going to have to raise capital in the future – unless those who may come forward to rescue (again) football at Ibrox have very deep pockets.
What market would let a varient of RFC mark III into their exchange?
Who would take on the sponsorship of an IPO?
Will the fans shell out more money for shares – for a third time?
If there is mileage in the TEGF / CG pack to purchase the assets of RFC from Duff and Duffer (copyright acknowledged) and the sale of the assets is found to be illegal – then it is highly unlikely that any consortia running footballing activities from Ibrox will have access to any financial markets. – (Am I being overly optimistic here?)
There is a great line in the film “The right stuff” – “No bucks, no Buck Rodgers.”
Without access to the financial markets – how can RFC raise funds to put a decent team (no laughing at the back) on the park?
Can a company survive pi$$ing off the markets big time?
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 12:16
and ehhhh T’Rangers – still big news but for all the wrong reasons
Will Whyte issue more tapes and possibly documents?
Will Ally get his £10m to ensure next seasons team isn’t the ‘worst ever’?
What porkies will Charles be telling to get the season tickets sold?
What will the end of year accounts say?
Will the stadium ever be renamed?
Will there be an Orange strip?
Will Charlie insist the shirt sponsor change their name to suit his 1970′s mindset?
When will the stadium refurbishment begin (and cash be spent) being they are hosting the Rugby 7s at Commonwealth Games?
Will we see any worldwide academies?
If there is a six month lock-in for insitutional invesotrs how many will bale out end of June?
Will Malcolm Murray ever come out of his cave?
etc etc etc…
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The above reminds me of the 70’s classic comedy show…SOAP..
yourhavingalaugh says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:03
O/T Margaret Thatcher has passed away.
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I’ll give her 2 weeks in Hell and she’ll have 3 furnaces shut!
I have a feeling we are about to be told by CG that big PL is behind all this and he is good friends with Craigie…
That should get teh ST sold pronto…
areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:05
RE: Jackson and the DR.
As far as I can see, Jackson has basically cribbed all his info from here
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I don’t care where he got it, fact is he is sharing it with the masses. I cannot see a downside to that. As much as we would like to think that we are shaping opinion here, we are only doing that to a limited audience, we need some support to widen that reach, SC and AT helped with that and this article serves the same purpose.
Re Thatcher – Ruth Wishart has said it best
“ruth wishart @ruth_wishart 29m
Rule 1: do not speak ill of the dead.
Rule 2. do not pretend death absolves them from misdeeds in life.”
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Just beat me to it m8, I was thinking much the same. Chick Young said something about a storm gathering on Saturday, Ally calling Chuck on his promises, now KJ ups the auntie on the whole Whyte/Green debacle….the scene is set for the Blue Knights to (re)appear on the horizon….enter Walter + a money man……………………. the lyrics to this song seem so appropriate for events at the big hoose…………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YanjY9CsPDQ
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yourhavingalaugh says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:03
O/T Margaret Thatcher has passed away.
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I’ll give her 2 weeks in Hell and she’ll have 3 furnaces shut!
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Admit it, you’ve been sitting on that one for years 😉
finloch says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 12:59
I agree that the bulk of the authorities have moved to help keep the Club alive – however, HMRC to my mind have been consistent in chasing down what they believe to be wrong.
It looks as if HMRC have held a steady, independent line:
They attempted to block Duff and Duffer (copyright acknowledged) as administrators;
By all accounts HMRC told the First Minister to take a hike and mind his own business when they were approached to lend a hand; and
As we all now, they have decided to appeal the FTTT.
HMRC have much to loose if they let the spivs walk away untouhed – they need to retain their teeth. For that reason I cannot see them lying down to (S)DM, TEGF and CG.
In all of this HMRC have been pretty much consistent in their approach – silently working to get the result they believe is right.
fistasapart says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:18
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I am with you on this….like em or loath em…but don’t cheer at their passing..
Ps. she has nothing to do with Scottish football today…so best left outside the door to this forum.
willmacufree says: Monday, April 8, 2013 at 11:01
In fairness Will, almost every football manager says their chairman knows nothing about football. It’s just rare for a chariman to go around saying how sh1te their own team is, because the fans will rightly say – “you are the guy in charge, wtf are you doing about it?”
fistasapart
you got a point about the manner in which the posters are “celebrating”, but i bet all posters on here never knew her in person, just like they never knew saddam hussein, colonel gadaffi or tony blair or gordon brown, but took delight when their demise started.
…and maggie thatcher never knew the individuals that she was crushing financially via the poll tax and warrant sales of their possetions to get the tax that these people could not afford.
she, via her government, imposed a tax in scotland, as a test area. why did she not test it out in england first?
her mantra was that privatisation would be the nirvan for all business “problems”.
selling companies which “we” already “owned”.
whe sold them on the basis that people who were rich already and could buy huge slices of these companies and eventually take control and benefit from the “dividends”.
“we” were also “allowed” to buy the “shares”. shares in companies we already “owned” as tax payers.
look what has happened to all the utility companies since she sold them off. how much profit do gas and electricity companies make. how much profit does BP make. how much profit does BT make.
when the railways were sold off, the “profits” went to the shareholder and not the infrastructure.
look at what’s happening to the royal mail. used to have 2 deliveries each day and make a profit, now shedding jobs galore – in pre[aration for “privatisation”.
it was said many times,
that maggie thatcher and the tories – “knew the price of everything…but the value of nothing”
ShowRacismtheRedCard@SRTRC_England29m
Show Racism the Red Card condemns comments made by Rangers Chief Exec. Charles Green http://ow.ly/jQxRU #FightRacism
In 88 she gave us the double. And wanted to flatten hampden, not sure if it was to be empty or not at the time, but she was not all bad.
I have a feeling today maybe a good day to try and slip out some bad news…any AIM update?
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The KJ article reads to me as a ” toy’s oot the pram cos they told the Sun and no me”
It’s like there has been a total eclipse on what the paper’s actually said at the time.
I agree that a lot of what he say’s is correct and accurate but for me it’s too little too late, and it read’s like sour grapes.
It’s like trying to score points off of another’s mistakes. Maybe if this was the type of reporting they had printed all along then the paper (and many other’s) would not be in the position they find themselves in now.
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In contrast to some of the comments here praising Jangles for finally getting his act together however belatedly, in my opinion this article represents an even greater indictment of his succulent lamb MO.
It shows that, despite all the “we are jist simple fitba men who’ve been duped” line that has been put to the fans all this time, his paper is indeed capable of pulling at least some threads together to illuminate the big picture but have simply chosen not to do so.
The fact that he chooses to do so now, in some fit of pique at a rival scoop, or on behalf of some dignified figure ready to swoop from wings, or a combination of both, makes the previous dereliction of duty all the more scandalous.
Whatever the merit of this article, Jangles remains a shameless pro-Rangers Lord Haw Haw figure
It is an absolute fecking farce that 11-1 is still in place at this stage.
paulmac2 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:42
Phil tweeting that TRIF shares NOT suspended on the AIM.
Steven @StevenOliver7411m
Has TRIFC shares been suspended. Hearing this but cant confirm. Anyone have any info??
Phil MacGiollaBhain@Pmacgiollabhain9m
@StevenOliver74 The AIM Press Office just responded to me and said that trading in RIFC shares had NOT been suspended.
However, he is offering the teaser that the AIM regulatory team are about to get busy:
Phil MacGiollaBhain@Pmacgiollabhain14m
I think that the AIM Regulatory Team are going to be busy with a certain shrewd investment opportunity in the coming weeks.
fistasapart says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:18
Posters celebrating the death of an old woman….very dignified indeed, you must be so proud of yourselves.
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Hear what you are saying but I am sure there are many individuals and communities whose lives were blighted by her policies and actions. I don’t blame them for not being dignified as many were never given any respect when she was in power.
However as Paulmac2 says it is probably not the place for this site, so lets move on.
RIFC shares still being traded (1 trade today)
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Celtic Paranoia (@CelticParanoia) says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:52
the “we are jist simple fitba men who’ve been duped” line
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Yes it’s important that we always remember that the whole reporting of this incestuous debacle from the word go was handled by basically brain-dead football journalists. The management of virtually every Scottish media organisation made what appears to be a collective decision not to get their business or investigative reporters involved.
So it was highly unlikely that sports journos would be able to find a real exclusive and even if they had then the complexities of it would have been beyond them and we must never ever forget their succulent lamb staple diet which eventually emerged as PR stodge – it’s alimentary I’m afraid.
Re. Margaret Thatcher – the day of celebration was the day she became a political irrelevance. I did did a lifetime’s rejoicing when she was hounded out of office.
Barcabhoy@Barcabhoy122h
Green has made many stupid statements,however for a UK plc CEO to mislead the market via RFC website places Cenkos and non execs in trouble
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Worth remembering that one of the conditions of AIM membership is that the company concerned must run a website to provide news to shareholders. That could be an Achilles’ Heel for Rangers International as the info has to obviously accurate.
Re Thatcher, she got shown the most red cards in the history of football at the 1988 Scottish cup final.
Long time lurker
rangers , uniquely, have no access to conventional bank borrowings or even an overdraft facility.
That should have raised a red flag with the so called “financial advisors” amongst the rangers blogging community
No business voluntarily denies themselves of these facilities. Should they be denied access to financial markets for fundraising, and like you I believe 2 strikes and you are out, whilst running a business burning approximately 10% of their cash reserves each month , then the future is very bleak indeed
In my view Green is a dead man walking as CEO, Macolm Murray and other directors will very quickly be in the same position if they continue to act like the 3 wise monkeys
The only way forward, is for Green to be fired, McColl and Park to enter stage right,with an offer to all Zeus related shareholders of 10 p per share, for them to guarantee bank facilities for a 3 year period and for everone connected to Zeus to be emptied from a position of influence
It won’t happen of course, at least not voluntarily, and the Rangers fans will be against it . Not least because it has been suggested by ‘Timmy”
Greed, and desperation will ensure Green and Zeus hang on until fate and lack of cash force their hand
I personally am not convinced that the rejecting of the reconstruction proposal by St M and Ross County makes an SPL2 less likely. This assumption does however require that the Chairmen do take the view that it’s their team first, naturally, but that a sustainable football environment is required for them to operate in. Consider that they’re all in plane. The captain comes over the tannoy to say right guys we’ve run out of fuel, who votes that we land? Surely they wouldn’t all abstain?
I am also of the belief that the 11-1 voting structure remains to avoid proposals such as an invitation SPL2 going through without virtually unanimous support, not to assist them. Was it not Stewart Milne who, at the original licence transfer vote said something like I didn’t like what was on the table and I didn’t much fancy their plan B, or words to that effect.
What I don’t get is why, with support for a radical restructure being doubted (and that’s putting it mildly) last September are we now at April without anyone knowing what’s even coming in August.
Farcical.
If years were minutes, then with 11 minutes to half time , Baroness Thatcher managed to have 10 of her Scottish players red carded.
angus1983 says:
Sunday, April 7, 2013 at 18:57
Quick word on the side – this is potentially a great blog.
In all honesty though, it’s way too easy for observers to classify it as an extension of a Celtic fan site. If we’re to get any serious attention through this particular medium, there has to be balance. Currently, there simply isn’t.
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You have long protested your dislike of Celtic Angus.
If, as you suggest, there is no balance on this site, have you considered its because those people like yourself have not presented cogent enough arguments to establish a balance?
It doesn’t matter how many Celtic fans post, if your arguments are strong enough you will prevail, but I get the feeling your dislike of Celtic, for whatever reason, waters down any points you make.
barcabhoy says:
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Banking facilities are not a problem.
They just use Ihmrams maw 😆
Aye Thatcher may have got red cards at the final – but I got a red face, burnt at a sunny hampden. No namby pamby roof in they days lol
From St.Mirren Statement “In the proposed rules the voting structure is remaining, in all items that are of importance, an 11-1 vote. In our opinion, this is fundamentally wrong in any structure and is the principle reason why Scottish League Football has not been able to restructure prior to this time, a view St Mirren have held for some time.”
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That is the first time I have seen the 11-1 mentioned, and the first time I realised it was staying. Therefore – the proposal has to fail. Until a fair voting system is introduced Scottish Football will continue to flounder. If there is to be one body, rule changes should happen with a simple majority of ALL league clubs.
Therefore, whether there is a TRFC influence or not, this league proposal needs to fail.
An SPL2 with TRFC invited should not be allowed to happen by the fans (in the same way we made sure TRFC started in the bottom league) – the clubs won’t have a chose.
And as BP doesnt seem to be online I’ll stick my neck out and say criticism (or approval!) of Thatchers politics is well off topic – plenty else happening in Scottish football (and Ibrox) right now!
Where is Traynor in all this mess. ? Bunkered up with Malcolm Murray? Or wishing he had stayed put at the Rancid? Awaiting further instructions from Green no doubt. Or trying to find the proper terminology for Double Duped.
stevensanph Monday 8 April @ 15:00
And as BP doesnt seem to be online I’ll stick my neck out and say criticism (or approval!) of Thatchers politics is well off topic – plenty else happening in Scottish football (and Ibrox) right now!
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Steven, she was such a divisive figure that it was inevitable that comments would be passed here and on many other blogs. It’ll pass. Thatcher was the figurehead of a movement that led to the business practices of Murray and Masterson and made life easier for the spivs. A bit of stick for her politics won’t do any harm.
jockybhoy says: Monday, April 8, 2013 at 13:36
willmacufree says: Monday, April 8, 2013 at 11:01
In fairness Will, almost every football manager says their chairman knows nothing about football. It’s just rare for a chariman to go around saying how sh1te their own team is, because the fans will rightly say – “you are the guy in charge, wtf are you doing about it?”
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Jocky, I agree with you, but they don’t do it on prime time TV directly contradicting what the chairman (??) said the day before. Plus A. McCoist was quite vehement. I think he’s been told to have a go. I think Goosy’s right, and Green’s off. Where did I leave that share certificate?
Carntyne Riddrie (@Riddrie) says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 14:45
It doesn’t matter how many Celtic fans post, if your arguments are strong enough you will prevail, but I get the feeling your dislike of Celtic, for whatever reason, waters down any points you make.
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FFS – I don’t dislike Celtic any more than the next non-Celtic fan.
In any case, why would this perceived (but non-existent) dislike of Celtic water down any points I might like to make? Are Celtic supporters unwilling to accept an outsider criticising Celtic? Does this outsider status automatically dilute what they say?
It seems to me that we often wonder why Rangers fans don’t listen to the “facts” about their club. Perhaps they are of a similar mindset – beleiving that comments coming from people who obviously dislike their club are simply watered down.
FFS.
Not as much discord as I expected on ragers media but this post really shows how far they have to climb to reach the gutter never mind get out of it. “I see where your coming from but dignity has got us in trouble , we need someone to boot our enemies b@lls before we can return to dignity” priceless.
blu says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 14:05
RIFC shares still being traded (1 trade today)
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If the AIM do get busy…I would suspect a number of investors may wish to…dump a load…before any suspension might take place..
All that is missing from CG’s clarification of his earlier statement is the line ” Some of my best friends…”
Chuck, when in a hole, stop digging.
jimlarkin says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:49
Famine Song
http://www.srtrc.org/news/news-and-events?news=672
Traynor at his best ,CEO and the club manager emptying their handbags over one another in public and not a word from Gym ,it doesnt require words of wisdom Gym ,we know you dont do them ,but FFS come out and say something ,the bears desreve something from the PR Executive at times like this,hullo are you there.
angus1983 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:37
In fairness to Angus, I do not get the impression from his posts that he dislikes Celtic.
I think he posts thoughts and opinions that perhaps some posters disagree with – I’m glad he does it. At least it shows opposing views.
A Rangers fan sticking up for an Aberdeen fan. Who would have thought it?
(PS. I do think he should spend less time on RangersMedia though…. 🙂 )
Good news from Phil (depending on your point of view) Charles Green to stay CEO of Sevco?
Phil MacGiollaBhain@Pmacgiollabhain10m
If Charles Green was the CEO of any other club in Britain he would be finished.
However as custodian of the Ibrox franchise he is safe.
i cannot agree with charles green. this is not the worst rangers team ever. the rangers team under jock wallace that won two trebles were far worse.
stevensanph says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:00 (Edit)
And as BP doesn’t seem to be online I’ll stick my neck out and say criticism (or approval!) of Thatcher’s politics is well off topic – plenty else happening in Scottish football (and Ibrox) right now!
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Agreed. It would be silly to ignore Thatcher’s passing, so I understand if people make reference to the news and we are happy to allow that. However although I am quite definitely not a friend of the woman, I think the tone of this blog should inform the rest of us how to behave in response to these kinds of situations.
Few people in this country will mourn her passing, but expressions of delight or grief are way beyond the acceptable line on here.
finloch says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 08:47
Being on the Rangers board is not just an honorary position with nice seats and a free silk tie.
I’d be taking legal advice if I was Malcolm or Walter etc who are now in a very difficult position, I’d go as far as saying its untenable.
And they all know it.
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Everyone agrees that Campbell Ogilvie’s position is untenable.
Yet there he is, still President of the SFA!…
barcabhoy says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 14:24
barcabhoy – perhaps impossible to answer: could the strategy be to go into administration and/or liquidation – would this prevent BDO from getting their hands on the assets?
Big Pink says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 10:46
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Excellent summary of events, and one not likely to be seen in any Scottish newspaper.
The tabloids are bad enough, but Spiers, who you’d think would know better, has contradicted himself so many times over the last eighteen months, he is approaching C Green levels.
I’m not so sure that the whole circus can ‘start all over again’, given another admin/liquidation event.
The Bears could never again be so gullible.
Could they?
Petition for change in Scottish football here;
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/scottish-football-supporters-remove-the-heirarchy-at-the-scottish-fa-spl-and-sfl
I think it seems like a worthwhile way to spend a minute or two.
angus1983 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:37
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Carntyne Riddrie (@Riddrie)
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I’m a Celtic fan and I agree that a lot of Celtic fans are unable to accept criticism of our club and/or the support.
I’ve left replies on various websites or bloggers pages being critical of their written piece or stance, including The Celtic Journal, CQN and Phil Mac Giolla Bhain.
Many times I’ve had the replies not pass moderation for no other reason than they’re critical of their article or their opinion and my reply doesn’t fit their agenda. Phil MAc Giolla Bhain being the worst culprit. I just stopped reading his blogs, unfollowed on Twitter and unfriended on Facebook.
If you’re not prepared to accept constructive criticism then you shouldn’t be blogging.
Spiers and English on Twitter basically saying Green is an idiot.
Graham Spiers @GrahamSpiers
Atrocious stuff from Charles Green. He sounds like a backward country hick
Tom English @TomEnglishSport
Charles Green talks to STV and goes from Bernard Manning to David Brent. Doesn’t have the self-awareness to realise how stupid he sounds
Is the man really that daft or is this and Whytes reappearance all part of the exit strategy.
All those who got there shares for nowt somehow do a deal to cash in and share the spoils with Craig getting his cut for role as best supporting actor.
Re the rants by Charles Green of a racist nature, on a personal basis I wonder what the Rangers fans who accused me of racially abusing one of their players last year are doing about their CEO. What they put me thru just because I had a name the same as an individual, who was in police custody within hours of the offence, was indeed frightening especially for an OAP. The telephone calls, threats, name address and telephone number on social networking site etc, “comments of “coming to get you” etc, I eventually had to get the police involved. The man who praises his support soo highly then comes out with this rubbish whether he thinks it is of a friendly mature or not, should not be in a position at one of the former great clubs in our land.
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:20
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I think he’s a man way out of his depth and intellectual capacity. The pressure is now on and he’s starting to crack.
I can’t believe some of the stuff that he’s been spouting over the last 3 days. He’s not losing the plot, he’s most definitely lost the plot and can’t be taken seriously by anyone now.
So what is it then lads and lassies?
Do we want Chrales and Ally to stay and finally kill off the T’Rangers on and off the park or do we want them out and replaced by folks who may just make a decent fist of trying to restore the club.?
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
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Just to be accountable for their actions!
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220617-charles-green-defends-paki-comment-but-would-punish-players-for-using-it/
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I said he’d lost the plot, he’s so far past the plot he can’t see it…..I’m seriously thinking this man isn’t mentally stable
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
Do we want Charles and Ally to stay and finally kill off the T’Rangers on and off the park or do we want them out and replaced by folks who may just make a decent fist of trying to restore the club.?
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I truly believe that is a question for the Rangers support because they, at the end of the day, are the ones that need to decide what kind of club they want. What outsiders think will do nothing to change their collective mind – of that I am convinced.
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
So what is it then lads and lassies?
Do we want Chrales and Ally to stay and finally kill off the T’Rangers on and off the park or do we want them out and replaced by folks who may just make a decent fist of trying to restore the club.?
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Charles Green should not be allowed near any Scottish club…his behaviour towards various clubs and individuals within Scottish Football has been at best appalling…as for Ally…not really bothered who manages the new club…although I feel his conduct over the last 12 months has been questionable at times
Interesting angle mentioned by others re: the Chairman, other Directors & Non-Execs – and their apparent lack of activity in the last few days.
As the experienced Chairman, one would at least expect Murray to issue a statement to try and defuse or soothe the situation. That should have been done before now – and Green should have been told to keep his head down for the duration.
The fact that Charlie is allowed to continue to dig a hole for himself doesn’t reflect at all well on his fellow Board members.
For a ‘normal’ plc, someone would have to walk in this situation.
But I can’t help thinking that Charlie’s buffoonery is part of his strategy – to be ‘invited’ to resign ?
smartbhoy says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 17:01
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220617-charles-green-defends-paki-comment-but-would-punish-players-for-using-it/
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I said he’d lost the plot, he’s so far past the plot he can’t see it…..I’m seriously thinking this man isn’t mentally stable..
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I clicked on the link and thought I had entered a Monty Python sketch? So according to Charlie you can say and do what you like….as long as they don’t complain…
What a 24 carot trumpet he really is!…
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
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So what is it then lads and lassies?
Do we want Chrales and Ally to stay and finally kill off the
T’Rangers on and off the park or do we want them out and
replaced by folks who may just make a decent fist of trying to
restore the club.?
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I’m tempted to say that “Rangers haters” would want them to stay.
But that can’t be right because “Rangers haters” have been telling “Rangers fans” just how inept and ridiculous these guys are. “Rangers fans” seem to want them to stay.
So I’m confused. Are “Rangers fans” “Rangers haters”?
smartbhoy says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 17:01
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I had to read that link again….I thought…maybe it’s me….but NO…it’s even worse second time round…he is actually defending RACISM if it’s done a certain way….has he had a labotomy?
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
I dont think CG is interested in anything other than the money he and his investors will make. At present if they can get out in the next few months there might be enough cash in the bank left for new owners to make a fist of it on the field of play.
TRFC should be using the time in the lower divisions to reduce costs & reach break even whilst investing just enough to win promotion. QOTS won Div 2 with a squad budget of £300k apparently. Cant imagine Partick or Morton’s budget is much bigger.
Doing similar would give them a decent cash pile to invest in SPL standard players once they reach top division & in time bring further quality as cash & success permits. It is at least a 5 year plan if not closer 7-10 years.
Why they are not doing so leads me to suspect the SFA/SPL promised a leg up & this dovetailed nicely with CG’s get rich quick scheme.
Forget about the players, the salaries being paid to AMcC, CG & BS are obscene. Even if TRFC were making a profit, they would only be classed as medium sized business with £25/30m in turnover. By way of comparison the Wood Group turnover in 2011 was in excess of £6billion. 5 of the 6 directors received less than CG in basic salary and all at least £100k less than Ally.
In my view just about anybody could do better if the goal was to make TRFC a success.
But its not.
Ah just thought – August could be the end of the 12 month share lock-in – it might not actually run from flotation on December 20th.
Lord Wobbly says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 17:15
wottpi says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 16:46
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So what is it then lads and lassies?
Do we want Chrales and Ally to stay and finally kill off the
T’Rangers on and off the park or do we want them out and
replaced by folks who may just make a decent fist of trying to
restore the club.?
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I’m tempted to say that “Rangers haters” would want them to stay.
But that can’t be right because “Rangers haters” have been telling “Rangers fans” just how inept and ridiculous these guys are. “Rangers fans” seem to want them to stay.
So I’m confused. Are “Rangers fans” “Rangers haters”?
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Time for the Monty Python fish dance!
theglen2012 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 15:58
A Rangers fan sticking up for an Aberdeen fan. Who would have thought it?
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Good grief. What’s the world coming to? 🙂 🙂
For those that missed it, Mr Green’s response to the Show Racism The Red Card piece:
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“It is unfortunate that Show Racism the Red Card has fallen into the trap of taking something out of context and giving a knee-jerk reaction. In the interview, I referred to the fact we are now living in a politically correct world where words and phrases that were once used are no longer acceptable.
“My use of the word ‘P*ki’ was when I was referring to how I sometimes warmly address my colleague and friend Imran Ahmad when we meet, something we both know is light-hearted. I deplore racism and sectarianism and this football club does a huge amount of work in this area to help eradicate these problems.”
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Clown.
I´ve heard it mentioned on here that if CG were to get sacked as CEO then his 12 month lock-in period on his shares would suddenly end.
Please can someone who has the relevant expertise or has done the research tell me if this is true ?
If it were accompanied by a link with a list of causes for the lock-in period to be discontinued all the better.
I seem to remember a possible 6 month extension to this 12 months which was easier to get around with said conditions printed in the prospectus.
paulmac2 says:
Monday, April 8, 2013 at 17:17
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I really don’t know what’s going on, is he really that stupid!?!?!
Where is Traynor? I know he’s a buffoon, but surely he can advise him to just shut up instead of digging a deeper hole.
Has he stopped paying Media House?
As for the shareholders voting him out? No one knows who quite a big percentage of them are………..
“…………….. this football club does a huge amount of work in this area to help eradicate these problems.””
It’s an extremely crowded field, but that has to be his best yet.
I thought CG comments regarding Imran Ahmed and Russian women whilst talking about CW was insulting enough for a CEO to be saying ,now he comes out with this .
How ironic is it that the old ragers prided themselves in their DIGNITY reference ,how far from dignity is their new club .
How they cannot see through this guy is beyond me,if as I think the whole thing is a sham then may I suggest they get on with getting the real buyers in ASAP before they tarnish the Scottish game anymore
I give you this, as a thread opener from the follow follow forum. I have posted in it’s entirety, it is from someone with over 3,500 entries.
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Remember when Rangers were considered the 4th pillar of Scottish Society?
The Government
The Judiciary
The Church of Scotland
Rangers
Can anyone imagine the public figureheads of the above 3 organisations using phrases like Paki and Google eye?
Along with telling blatant lies and failing to mention relevant details until his hand is forced, I really don’t believe he is fit and proper to carry out he role of CEO at our club. Rangers Football Club is an institution being run by a city wide boy and its not acceptable. Mr Struth must be turning in his grave
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The considered response from another poster with a similar number of posts.
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[The Government – corrupted by republicans
The Judiciary – corrupted by republicans
The Church of Scotland So far up their own rectum they cannot see the light of day
Rangers – The final “Pillar” and why there has been a concerted coordinated attack on the Fans, the Club and the ideology by those who seek to be in control.]
Green HAS spoken unwisely, but consider the reaction and with what intention they have gone about their mock outrage.
Wake up sheeple, you are being herded into where our enemies want us, and we will be used to remove a thorn in THEIR side.
Step back and consider who wins, then see who is pushing.
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It really does take a certain mentality to even think that way.