The following post comes about as a result of the research and work put in by Auldheid.
He has drafted the submission to FIFA detailed below after closely looking at their rules, and taking on board the points contained in the Glasnost “Golden Rule” blog. TSFM has attached the blog’s name to the report since the overwhelming – but not unanimous – view of our readership is that the SFA and the SPL have again gotten themselves into an almighty and embarrassingly amateur fankle over this issue.
We believe that tens of thousands of football fans will be lost to the game if the outcome of the LNS enquiry is not perceived to be commensurate with the scope and extent of the rule breaking that LNS found had taken place. In view of this, we believe that we have to do what we can to explore all possibilities for justice for those who love the game so much and yet are utterly disillusioned by recent events.
LNS is not being questioned here. He has found that RFC were guilty as charged by the SPL.
What is being questioned is the SFA’s crucial – and seemingly conflicted – role in the LNS enquiry, as is the effectiveness of LNS’s recommended sanction as either a deterrent or an upholder of sporting integrity.
It came to our notice last week that FIFA have created a web site at
https://www.bkms-system.net/bkwebanon/report/clientInfo?cin=6fifa61&language=eng
that tells us that FIFA have implemented a regulatory framework which is intended to ensure that all statutory rules, rules of conduct and internal guidelines of FIFA are respected and complied with.
In support of that regulatory framework FIFA have set up the above site as a reporting mechanism by means of which inappropriate behaviour and infringements of the pertinent regulations may be reported.
FIFA say that their jurisdiction encompasses misconduct that (1) relates to match manipulation; (2) occurs in or affects more than one confederation, so that it cannot adequately be addressed by a single confederation; or (3) would ordinarily be addressed by a confederation or association, but, under the particular facts at issue, has not been or is unlikely to be dealt with appropriately at that level.
Discussions arising from the previous blog on TSFM, “Gilt Edged Justice”, which was published after Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) ruled on the registration of Rangers players who had contractual side letters that were not disclosed to the SFA as part of their registration, suggest that there may be possible unfortunate consequences for football arising from the evidence presented by the SFA to the LNS enquiry that informed its findings on registration and consequent eligibility. There is also a question of the propriety of the SFA providing evidence on an issue which could have had a negative impact on them had it been found that they had failed to carrying out their registration duties with due rigour over a period of ten years when the existence of EBTs was known to officials within the SFA.
On the basis that the LNS findings require that registration rules be clarified by FIFA and rewritten globally if necessary to remove any ambiguity and under clause 3 above, this appears to be an issue that the FIFA should examine and that the SFA cannot address.
The following report has therefore been submitted by TSFM on behalf of its readers to FIFA drawing on the content and debate following the “Gilt Edged Justice” blog in respect of the possible footballing consequences of the LNS enquiry.
The hope is that by speaking for so many supporters, FIFA will give the TSFM submission some weight, but individuals are free of course to make their own points in their own way. We await acknowledgement of the submission.
The report Submitted to FIFA is as follows;
This report was prepared on behalf of the 10,000-strong readership of The Scottish Football Monitor at http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/
It is our belief that FIFA general rules of conduct were breached by the SFA and their employees in both creating and then advising The Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) enquiry into the non disclosure of full payment information to the Scottish Football Association (SFA) by Rangers F.C during a period of player registration over 10 years from 2000.We believe that although the issue has been addressed by the SFA the particular facts at issue suggest that it has not been dealt with appropriately and we therefore ask FIFA to investigate. The facts at issue are that the process and advice given failed to uphold sporting integrity, and that a conflict of interest was at play.
We believe the advice provided and the enquiry set up, where SFA both advised and is the appellant body, breaches not only the integrity the registration rules were intended to uphold, but also totally undermines the integrity of the SFA in breach of General Conduct rules 1, 2 and 4. (See below.)
1. Firstly we believe that the advice supplied to LNS that an incorrectly registered player was eligible to play as long as the registration was accepted by the SFA however unwittingly, undermines the intent of the SPL/SFA rules on player registration and so undermines the integrity of football in three ways.
• It incentivises clubs to apply for a player to be registered even if they know that the conditions of registration are not satisfied, in the hope that the application will somehow ‘slip through the net’ and be granted anyway (in which case it will be valid until revoked).
• A club which discovers that it has made an error in its application is incentivized to say nothing and to ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ – because it would be in a better position by not confessing its mistake.
• And most importantly, it incentivises fraud. By deliberately concealing relevant information, a club can ensure that a player who does not satisfy the registration conditions is treated as being eligible – and therefore allowed to play – for as long as a period as possible (potentially his entire spell with the club). Then, if the club is no longer around when the deception is finally discovered, imposing meaningful sanctions may be impossible.
2. Secondly we believe the process followed was inappropriate due to a Conflict of Interest. Had the LNS enquiry not ruled on the basis of advice supplied by The SFA, they and those persons advising the LNS enquiry, could have been subjected to censure and the SFA to potential compensation claims had LNS found that the players were indeed ineligible to play and results then been annulled as was SFA practice when an ineligible player played.
3. Finally we contend that a law should not be applied according to its literal meaning if to do so would lead to an absurdity or a manifest injustice or in this case loss of football integrity.
See http://glasnostandapairofstrikers.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/gilt-edged-justice/4. We therefore ask FIFA to investigate both the process used and advice given to Lord Nimmo Smith to satisfy themselves that FIFA’s intentions with regard to upholding the integrity of football under FIFA rules have not been seriously damaged by the LNS findings and also to reassure Scottish football supporters that the integrity of our game has not been sacrificed by the very authority in whose care it has been placed to promote the short term cause of commercialism to the games long term detriment.
General Rules of Conduct (These are taken from the FIFA web site itself and can be found as part of completing the submission process)
1. Persons bound by this Code are expected to be aware of the importance of their duties and concomitant obligations and responsibilities.
2. Persons bound by this Code are obliged to respect all applicable laws and regulations as well as FIFA’s regulatory framework to the extent applicable to them.
3. N/A
4. Persons bound by this Code may not abuse their position in any way, especially to take advantage of their position for private aims or gains.
Long Time Lurker says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:49
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Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:46
Perhaps there is some legs to this – hope you have a good holiday
P.I. Paul @MTHForum13m
Just heard through a colleague that a request for Bailiffs has been made re Ibrox & Murray Park
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Would that be a bailiff to simply serve a summons or to padlock the gates? I suppose the English are less inclined to defer to quintessentially British sensitivities.
Long Time Lurker says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:49
Bailiffs? In Scotland? Surely some mistake?
scapaflow14 says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:06
Bailiffs – appears to be used universally here:
P.I. Paul @MTHForum23m
@Brian_Healy I work down here in the south with many Bailiffs, they call everyone in the business Bailiffs mate, it’s all relative.
Long Time Lurker says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:42
P.I. Paul @MTHForum7m
Just heard through a colleague that a request for Bailiffs has been made re Ibrox & Murray Park
Followed by Paulie Walnuts and 6 others
Can anyone back this up?
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Paulie Walnuts….a blast from the past…..could this be the first moves by BDO?
Enjoying my time off enormously thanks to the wit and wisdom of all on here. 🙂
Actually does free up some time to carry out some freelance debt enforcement work in Glasgow area…
Talk of bailiffs and padlocks feels a bit premature. Anyone with experience of these processes able comment on what would happen in a dispute over ownership?
Wouldn’t there need to have been at least a series of court hearings and evidence submission to even establish if there is a credible dispute over ownership?
paulmac
I think the twitter PaulieWalnuts is different from the one on here.
Danish Pastry says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 07:37
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I wouldn’t get too carried away with all the dirty laundry coming out of Ibrokes at the moment as IMO it is just the next stage of the scam that was set up to …
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That’s a big conspiracy. Can’t honestly see TU being in on it. If the two Sevco’s switch story is true Mr Green seems to have become rather opportunistic when he saw that he could grab the loot. A conspiracy that turned into a free-for-all?
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Rather than being part of some pan-spiv conspiracy, maybe it’s as simple as TU knew all about Whyte’s past – after all, dealing at their end of the “subprime” market, they must deal with shysters like this fairly regularly.
Now knowing that he has lied about his past, or at least failed to disclose, they realised they had – to use snooker parlance – “a shot to nothing” i.e. A difficult long pot that would secure a hefty profit, but with the insurance that the cue ball would end up returning safely to baulk if it missed leaving nothing on for their opponent i.e. they could sue him to get their money back.
I’m sure if these guys are good at anything, it is calculating risk.
beatipacificiscotia says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:23
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Oh ye of little faith… watch this space!
Phil MacGiollaBhain@Pmacgiollabhain17m
@Noody69Noody @Thomas_G1888 Quite. Just watch all of this unfold and enjoy.HMS Sevco is doomed. Everything else is detail.
Noody@Noody69Noody15m
@Pmacgiollabhain @thomas_g1888 And this time it might be for real! I don’t see anybody getting away with another great asset robbery! Karma.
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madbhoy24941 says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:20
Now the teasing has just be cranked up an notch! I’m watching ………..
Celtic Paranoia (@CelticParanoia) says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:18
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Rather than being part of some pan-spiv conspiracy, maybe it’s as simple as TU knew all about Whyte’s past – after all, dealing at their end of the “subprime” market, they must deal with shysters like this fairly regularly.
Now knowing that he has lied about his past, or at least failed to disclose, they realised they had – to use snooker parlance – “a shot to nothing” i.e. A difficult long pot that would secure a hefty profit, but with the insurance that the cue ball would end up returning safely to baulk if it missed leaving nothing on for their opponent i.e. they could sue him to get their money back.
I’m sure if these guys are good at anything, it is calculating risk.
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It’s still an awful lot of money to pay for a small Scottish castle with a leaky roof and a clapped out Bentley, neither which may even have CW’s name on them any more!
Any the big hitters on here messaged A Thomson too see if he thinks he left the story too early? Seems to me he was always good at getting the facts out there. Just a side thought but the more people digging, the quicker the dam will breach.
The bailiffs thing does seem a bit far fetched.
For once I’d think the MSM in the form of STV, who appear to have got their teeth into Green big time, would be on top of this like a rash.
Peter Smith could be the unlikely hero in this?
Dinosaur stubs toe and several days later says ouch
“Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug 6m
The #SFA have written to #Rangers CEO Charles Green asking him for clarity about his dealing with Craig Whyte re takeover #BBCSport”
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wottpi says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 11:09
At least someone in the Bear’s Den has a sense of humour.
“Peter Brady. David McCallum. James Traynor. Kevin Bacon.
For the life of me I can’t figure out who the odd one out is. Can you help?
(One for the oldies maybe)”
No peeking over there for the answer
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Was Peter Brady the original invisible man.?
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Yeah because clearly what The Rangers need now is someone to rail against the “Rangers Haters” in the media and in internet bampotland. Shut them up and everything will be OK again.
It never failed to work before
wottpi says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:43
Indeed. Peter Smith reminds me of the old Vulcan proverb that only Nixon could go to China
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug 3m
The #SFA have written to #Rangers CEO Charles Green asking him for clarity about his dealing with Craig Whyte re takeover #BBCSport
wottpi
If PMGB is the source for this then “far-fetched” is probably a good description.
His credibility levels are low.
wottpi says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:43
I would hold any breath waiting on the msm, but it does seem far fetched. It seems almost inevitable that Sevco FC plc will go under at some point if they are at the centre of a long dragged out legal battle, but they would starve to death rather than drop dead this suddenly.
I don’t know how it would all work, but I can’t imagine that sheriff officers would be mobilised without there being some kind of court process where the bampots would have picked up on it.
The usual story of people putting money on 13 black and if they are right saying that they knew for certain it would happen?
SFL failure to provide financials. Which club though?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22088117
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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:47
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Dinosaur stubs toe and several days later says ouch
“Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug 6m
The #SFA have written to #Rangers CEO Charles Green asking him for clarity about his dealing with Craig Whyte re takeover #BBCSport”
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i hope they are writing to craig whyte, imran, imran’s maw and mr early and the duffers
. . . no pint in asking 1 person, when allegedly, 2 or more people were in on the great gravy train robbery
Big Pink says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:57
Let’s be frank about it, the reconstruction proposals are a joke. About the only sense Charles Green has made has been when saying that the SFL would be mad to merge with the SPL without getting to look at its finances in detail. He might even be on to something when he suggests that the SPL could be in serious financial trouble.
What isn’t clear is why the hurry with any reconstruction unless there is a fire burning somewhere? Is it to get Sevco into the top division asap? Is it to hide the technical insolvency of the SPL? Can sky pull the plug on the TV deal?
Whatever the real story is no one believes that shuffling deck chairs like this is going to mean any difference to the Scottish game. We have tried all sorts of league formats and none have changed the general trajectory of the game.
3. do all SFL gate takings get split 50/50
[sevco having to pay out 50% of world record attendances ?]
Big Pink says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:57
SFL failure to provide financials. Which club though?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22088117
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Airdrie, Cowdenbeath,Sevco ?.
Danish Pastry says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:36
Celtic Paranoia (@CelticParanoia) says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:18
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Rather than being part of some pan-spiv conspiracy, maybe it’s as simple as TU knew all about Whyte’s past – after all, dealing at their end of the “subprime” market, they must deal with shysters like this fairly regularly.
Now knowing that he has lied about his past, or at least failed to disclose, they realised they had – to use snooker parlance – “a shot to nothing” i.e. A difficult long pot that would secure a hefty profit, but with the insurance that the cue ball would end up returning safely to baulk if it missed leaving nothing on for their opponent i.e. they could sue him to get their money back.
I’m sure if these guys are good at anything, it is calculating risk.
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It’s still an awful lot of money to pay for a small Scottish castle with a leaky roof and a clapped out Bentley, neither which may even have CW’s name on them any more!
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Agreed
There is only one serious reason why a Spiv outfit like Ticketus would sue a penniless Spiv like Whyte
Its to reinforce their case to the FSA and AIM that they were duped when anybody with half a brain can see they are in this scam up to their neck
Having read Paul McConville’s efforts today (and I take Greenock Jacks comment above in similarly good vein re Paul) I think I’ll have a stab at the question who’s worse, Green or Whyte?
Its actually Green. Although Whyte nearly doomed their club (copyright DJ – in the same way the man with the swanvesta nearly doomed joan of arc) at least in his deliberate beaching he had the sense (luck or judgement?) to keep the whole thing together as one parcel (the term “pre pack” provides the answer why). Green has potentially driven a wedge now between the club’s future activities – the crowds, the merchandise etc, the glorious adventure – and the assets (Murray Park and Greyskull). That wedge is a large group of investors owed 17m (notice I’m ignoring the fans contribution here, they’d better get used to that). Will they rely on future footballing greatness in div 2 for their reward (bearing in mind they won’t invest in backwater clubs like ManU or Liverpool) or will they look to the assets?
Ah, I hear you say, but a stadium is worth nothing unless its a stadium housing football. Firstly I would argue the point but that’s by the by for now. More importantly, arguing the former point to try to insulate the club against any investor backlash is basically proving BDO’s case for them. Unless of course the investors keep schtoom because they’re not in it for the money and simultaneously require absolute anonimity – Charlotte 18 anyone – Again, that’s exactly what BDO are waiting to hear you would think.
CG is going to need that running pedigree a la Alf Tupper methinks.
United Legends to play Rangers
A team of United Legends will take on Rangers at Ibrox on Monday 6 May.
The Bank Holiday fixture will kick-off at 2pm
. . .with proceeds going to the Rangers Charity Foundation and UNICEF.
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what %age will the takings be split ?
will the rangers charity foundation money be “donated” to the PLC arm which happened last year and is allegedly being “investigated” by OSCR, [but still not concluded].
has the previous “donation” been reported by someone as a fraudulent payment?
Smugas
To clarify, my opinion is that on the subject/s surrounding both the RTC and TSFM blogs, PMcC enjoys a degree of credibility that PMGB simply doesn´t have.
As someone has already alluded to,we’re talking sheriff officers north of the border.As far as I know,they can only “enforce”in terms of an already obtained court order or decree,which no one seems to be aware off.Otherwise BDO may have this type of authority in terms of their appointment,but I doubt it,anyone out there know whether this is feaseable?I’m therefore having some difficulty with this.
@cartujakds
Looks like someone’s ramparts weren’t built high enough to keep the boys in blue out.
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Helping the Police with their enquiries?
A comment from SevcoMedia
[quote]mitre_mouldmaster
Arthur Numan
True Blue
479 posts
Gender:Male
Location:Glasgow
Posted Today, 08:21 AM
To be honest, if someone had come in and bought us for £1 and had done a Phoenix directly, whilst being honest with the fans, I would probably have supported them.
White had an opportunity to become a hero at Rangers and to make decent money, but his c*ntyness ensured that he go down as a villain. [/quote]
This is really what I don’t understand about Whyte.
He had an opportunity after the takeover to level with Rangers fans. “We’re in a terrible situation. The club has been doomed to go under in the first year it does not get CL group money. We need to do a one-time restructuring to shed all of these liabilities and return our club to stability. I am sorry I had to mislead you during the takeover but needs must when the devil drives. From now on I will be honest and direct. I will not sugarcoat the bad news. It is the result of 20 years of excess and mismanagement. That stops from today. Will you follow on?”
They would have backed him in huge numbers. A Fergus style revival and fans would have bellied up. It is just funny that Whyte and Green have deceit so deeply in their core, they didn’t see that the real opportunity was in blunt honesty.
I have no doubt that Green will walk on the racism charges – all he’ll do is take a French Dictionary in after all it worked last time.
Sir Walter d’EBT has made and appearance
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/walter-smith-fires-warning-to-charles-green-1-2887549
I wonder what Puma make of the recent language used at Ibrox. Do they really want their brand associated ?
Never seen that coming.
Chas might be straight outta luck on the old St. Mirren ground share, if the padlocks get slapped on.
http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk/renfrewshire-sport/renfrewshire-football/renfrewshire-football-st-mirren/2013/04/03/saints-agree-ground-sharing-deal-with-old-foes-morton-87085-33106284/
Mind, the remains of Cathkin Park are still playable.
Accounts? not available for reconstruction or any other purpose, never have, and most probably never will for a few entities. Getting boring now. No history, no scruples, no dignity, no money, no class and no plan to recover properly.Only demands, final demands and scandal. As much as I tend to enjoy their demise, if it was a dug it would be gone.
Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 16:01
Chas might be straight outta luck on the old St. Mirren ground share, if the padlocks get slapped on.
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So is Cappielow available then?
Araminta Moonbeam QC says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 16:01
Chas might be straight outta luck on the old St. Mirren ground share, if the padlocks get slapped on.
http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk/renfrewshire-sport/renfrewshire-football/renfrewshire-football-st-mirren/2013/04/03/saints-agree-ground-sharing-deal-with-old-foes-morton-87085-33106284/
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I worry that, as usual, Morton fail to complete the job and leave THAT door slightly ajar: we don’t want them polluting Paisley any more than they already do…
Tonight’s another great night in the Armageddon fixtures list at Firhill: Jags V Ton. 🙂
I’d like the Ton to win tonight and keep that exciting competition on its knife-edge.
They don’t need Cappielow, the fans would watch from the pavements, remember? Not sure that would fulfil SFA licensing requirements, but such minor details have never been an issue in the past, no?
For clarity…
By “we don’t want them”, I meant we don’t want the Blue Meanies, baulked by the padlocking.
Can’t accept bummer broon was silenced by a threat given to him by some big burly henchmen in a dark car with tinted windows,could it be after broon gave his “show me the deeds”speech to green and then addressed the deluded dupites outside ibrox he was approached by a small cheeky plump man with a steakbake and a taller rather dignified looking man wearing brown brogues and a cardigan and was promptly told to pull his head in as he was upsetting the whole carefully crafted swindle.
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[quote]mitre_mouldmaster
Arthur Numan
True Blue
479 posts
Gender:Male
Location:Glasgow
Posted Today, 08:21 AM
To be honest, if someone had come in and bought us for £1 and had done a Phoenix directly, whilst being honest with the fans, I would probably have supported them.
White had an opportunity to become a hero at Rangers and to make decent money, but his c*ntyness ensured that he go down as a villain. [/quote]
This is really what I don’t understand about Whyte.
He had an opportunity after the takeover to level with Rangers fans. “We’re in a terrible situation. The club has been doomed to go under in the first year it does not get CL group money. We need to do a one-time restructuring to shed all of these liabilities and return our club to stability. I am sorry I had to mislead you during the takeover but needs must when the devil drives. From now on I will be honest and direct. I will not sugarcoat the bad news. It is the result of 20 years of excess and mismanagement. That stops from today. Will you follow on?”
They would have backed him in huge numbers. A Fergus style revival and fans would have bellied up. It is just funny that Whyte and Green have deceit so deeply in their core, they didn’t see that the real opportunity was in blunt honesty.
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Surely the MO of the switcheroo required to do “a Pheonix” – non-payment of PAYE & NI, gratuitous alienation of assets, dumping debt etc. – could not be stated openly in the public domain even if Whyte ever had the slightest intention of taking the club forward.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I remain in the belief that anything less than moonbeam warchests of tens of millions of pound would not have been palatable to the bears. This is revisionist claptrap. Remember “we deserve better” and “step up and pay”?
fishnish says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 16:11
I’d like the Ton to win tonight and keep that exciting competition on its knife-edge.
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I’d rather not as my nerves are already enough on edge – and more like one of these single-molecule thick edges they invented.
Still it’s the Jags and they never do things the easy way.
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Just a wee addition on the Peter Brady thing. It’s understandable folk remember the name of the character instead of the actor as at the time they thought it was a good gimmick to keep it a secret.
In fact it could be argued he was played by two actors.
[from wiki]
“As a publicity gimmick, the actor playing the Invisible Man himself was never credited, either on-screen or in TVTimes, but Johnny Scripps played Brady without the bandages, i.e. apparently headless but otherwise dressed. Being a midget, he was able to see through the buttonholes in Brady’s coat. Tim Turner provided Brady’s voice, also without on-screen credit, using a transatlantic accent in order to help ITC sell the series to the United States.”
worrying news for chas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22093191
jerfeelgood
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 13:40
Alas if administrators carried out their proper role people and players would have been laid off a long time ago.
Compare with Dunfermline, sorry take that back THEY are different and were treated so even by administrators.
Time running out me thinks.
Cardigan comeback?
The racist comments are really quite revealing, what kind of individual could miss the campaign to fight racism in the last decade? I’ve been a regular at Scottish football grounds since the 70’s and for much of the time, overt, loud and angry racism, homophobia, sexism has been the norm, rather than the exception. I’m not saying it did not exist in other spheres of society, but it was considerably worse on the terraces. Football deserves some credit for the considerable transformation of its public space and at all levels has cleaned up its act, very much in tune with any other public spaces….racism is simply no longer acceptable conduct. Greens remarks reveal an individual who appears to have missed this particular change in attitude and behaviour…..has he never read a magazine, newspaper, or listened to a news bulletin? The comments I read were those of an individual who is utterly detached from the rest of us, whose connection with the world, outside his own workplace is pretty much zero! I imagine he cruises around in his jag listening to his Pat Boone tapes to relax, beyond that the rest of the world is pretty much irrelevant to him.
Morton are doing up the old Dublin end at scapaflow, with bits they bought from sworn enemies St Mirren. Still costing £750k ish to do it. Hat off. I hope they go up.
Random thought:
I wonder did chas and imran have a wee sit down monday morning to have a cuppa and a chat about their “pet” names for each other….. or do they merely pass each other in the halls not making eye contact…..
scapaflow14 says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 14:47
Dinosaur stubs toe and several days later says ouch
“Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug 6m
The #SFA have written to #Rangers CEO Charles Green asking him for clarity about his dealing with Craig Whyte re takeover #BBCSport”
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Strange as this might sound….Charlie has admiitted to being a fibber?
why in Gods good name have the SFA asked a confessed liar to explain a relationship that coud clearly land him in a hole so big…you could hide the Australian continent in it?
Once Charlie replies with…”Craig Whyte is a liar”…then it will be case closed from the SFA!
Rangers. Craig Whyte’s then, Craig Whyte’s now, Craig Whyte’s forever.
It’s back to Summer 2012 for me – can’t take my eyes off the febrile and excellent blog and thanks to all of you for the fascinating contributions and comment…the gift that keeps on giving 🙂
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Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 16:24
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Morton are doing up the old Dublin end at scapaflow, with bits they bought from sworn enemies St Mirren. Still costing £750k ish to do it. Hat off. I hope they go up.
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Would like to see them both go up 😉
#biggerleague
Shirley, Charlie has to go – and sooner rather than later ?
For TRFC to try and fast-talk its way out of this latest Whyte/Green debacle, the club would have to go with the oft used defence: “We where duped!”
IMO, the only way TRFC ‘should’ be able to retain its Associate license – and possibly avoid further sanctions – is if they publicly disown Charlie, and plead ignorance to the SFA/SFL ?
The longer Charlie stays, the more it looks like TRFC as a club is complicit in the shady dealings of both Whyte & Green.
paulmac2 says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 16:38
Paul is this not a potential problem for D&P given that they, IIRC, certified that Mr Green was a fit and proper person?
I was reflecting on D&P earlier, after seeing Bryan Jackson’s measured and dignified response to the Pars 15 point deduction. Compare and contrast with, well all, of D&P’s statements during the interregnum.
Just a reminder on ownership of Ibrox as per official records (just posed on a Hearts message board):
Description: Subjects IBROX STADIUM, EDMISTON DRIVE, GLASGOW G51 2XD edged red on the Title Plan being 7.9 hectares in measurement on the Ordnance Map
B. PROPRIETORSHIP SECTION
Title Number: GLA210958 Entry Number Date of Registration Proprietor Consideration Date of Entry 1 15/06/2012 SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED incorporated under the Companies Acts, (Company Number 425159), and having its Registered Office at Capella, 60 York Street, Glasgow, G2 8JX. Implementation of Agreement 14/06/2012 Notes: 1. The above Company is now known as THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
In the good old days Walters expressed wish that this would all blow over and we can all get back to football would probably have been enough for it to “all blow over”.
🙂
totally astonished by mr charles’ “performance” on tv last night…
shifty,stuttering and caught bang to rights methinks…
when quizzed regarding the man utd tie up he looked so haunted and uncomfortable i truly thought he was going to use the old line popularised on this blog
“look peter” as he points over the interviewers shoulder…
“look, a squirrel”
car crash telly at it’s best…
more of this type of thing please
c
easyJambo says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 17:11
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Just a reminder on ownership of Ibrox as per official records (just posed on a Hearts message board):
Description: Subjects IBROX STADIUM, EDMISTON DRIVE, GLASGOW G51 2XD edged red on the Title Plan being 7.9 hectares in measurement on the Ordnance Map
B. PROPRIETORSHIP SECTION
Title Number: GLA210958 Entry Number Date of Registration Proprietor Consideration Date of Entry 1 15/06/2012 SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED incorporated under the Companies Acts, (Company Number 425159), and having its Registered Office at Capella, 60 York Street, Glasgow, G2 8JX. Implementation of Agreement 14/06/2012 Notes: 1. The above Company is now known as THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
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so what does this mean
does it mean that the shareholders in RIFCplc – DO NOT OWN any part of the buildings?
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 17:11
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Just a reminder on ownership of Ibrox as per official records (just posed on a Hearts message board):
Description: Subjects IBROX STADIUM, EDMISTON DRIVE, GLASGOW G51 2XD edged red on the Title Plan being 7.9 hectares in measurement on the Ordnance Map
B. PROPRIETORSHIP SECTION
Title Number: GLA210958 Entry Number Date of Registration Proprietor Consideration Date of Entry 1 15/06/2012 SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED incorporated under the Companies Acts, (Company Number 425159), and having its Registered Office at Capella, 60 York Street, Glasgow, G2 8JX. Implementation of Agreement 14/06/2012 Notes: 1. The above Company is now known as THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED
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Is it not the rangers INTERNATIONAL football club now?
easyJambo says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 17:11
That’s me confused again.
I thought Sevco Scotland Ltd became Rangers International FC Ltd which the became Rangers International FC PLC.
That record seems to say otherwise.
Just a thought – is it time for a new blog yet? Or are we waiting until the crest of this particular crescendo is reached, and we’re finally rolling down the other side?
chipm0nk says:
Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 17:23
No no no no
Status Active – Newly Incorporated
Registered date 29/05/2012
Company number SC425159
Type Private limited with Share Capital
Country of registration GB
Previous Names
Previous name SEVCO SCOTLAND LIMITED
Date changed 31/07/2012
Directors
Mr Green, Mr Stockbridge and Mt Ahmad, Sec Mr Stockbridge
Rangers International Football Club
Status Active – Newly Incorporated
Registered date 16/11/2012
Company number SC437060
Type Public limited with Share Capital
Country of registration GB
Previous Names
Previous name RANGERS FOOTBALL PLC
Date changed 27/11/2012
Directors Mr Green, Mr Murray, Mr Smith, Mr Smart, Mr Hart Mr cartmell, Mr Stockbridge sec Mr Stockbridge
It would be interesting to see a group org chart, if anyone has one
some good points easyjambo and chipm0nk
How long does one have to inform the land registry regarding transfer of ownership of heritable properties? easyjambo- when did you pull that off the land registry website?
The other invisible man is putting on the bandages and grubby mac for Sportsound
“Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug 17m
Tune in to @bbcsportsound tonight from 1810 to hear Stewart Regan on Charles Green and Gordon Strachan on why he took Scotland job.”
jerfeelgood says: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 at 17:44
some good points easyjambo and chipm0nk
How long does one have to inform the land registry regarding transfer of ownership of heritable properties? easyjambo- when did you pull that off the land registry website?
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I didn’t get it from the land registry, but someone else on a Hearts board did. I’m sure that Corsicacharity also posted the same a few months ago.
What does it tell us? Basically that TRFC Ltd hold the title deeds. RIFC is a distinct entity, but now have control of what happens to TRFC Ltd’s assets, by dint of it being the TRFC Ltd’s parent company.
There is nothing in the entry that shows when or if there was an earlier transfer between the Oldco and Sevco 5088 and onto Sevco Scotland (even the same day), or whether the transfer was directly between the Oldco and Sevco Scotland.
easy jambo
If this is from an old land registry circa oct, then it’s not really relevant as the new parent was only formed in nov/dec for the IPO, subsequently the deeds property might have been re registered to the parent since….
SFA to question Green over CW involvement
CG has admitted he’ll tell people what they want to hear to get what he wants
SFA unlikely to ask any really probing questions which might give them answers they don’t like
anyone else think this investigation is just a box ticking exercise so the SFA can cover their arse?
Following on from his fine post, this tweet appeared a short time ago:
@Barcabhoy1
@stephend_1 very busy at Cenkos today I hear
5:18pm – 10 Apr 13
and
Radio Scotland reporting police searches at business properties.
Oops! Sportsound reporting that Police Scotland have carried out searches, under warrant, on business and domestic properties in Scotland and England in connection with the takeover.
No further comments from the police though.
Questions –
If the police are investigating CW’s initial takeover and eventually this initial takeover is deemed illegal, this would then presumably remove all CW’s hold over the assets;
Would that clear the way for SDM to return as the ‘rightful’ owner, removing all the spivs in one fell swoop?
Or does it get even messier and more complicated?
BBC SCOTLAND
10 April 2013 Last updated at 17:16 GMT
Rangers: Police carry out raids on Whyte club purchase
Police have carried out a series of raids relating to the purchase of Rangers Football Club by Craig Whyte from Sir David Murray.
Police Scotland said they had “carried out a number of searches” in at addresses in both Scotland and England.
The statement said: “These searches related to both domestic and business premises.
“This remains an ongoing investigation, and no further information can be provided at this stage”.
breaking news links as mentioned
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22099662
Chic Young saying that Charlie Green is a very intelligent man.
Compared to Chic he probably is