4,057 thoughts on “Fair Play at FIFA?”

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   Humble Pie @ 22:52

   Bravo Humble! A potential Eurovision certainty…..
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   auchinstarry says:
   Monday, March 18, 2013 at 23:01

   Thank you muchly. I even have a tune in mind 😉
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   Re whats behind the latest CG comments on reconstruction and Colts
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   When in doubt apply the following principles

   Spivs never never tell the whole truth
   Spivs are only interested in money
   Spivs never use their own money if they can avoid it
   Spivs want in and out as quickly as possible.That means out before Ally can get any hard cash for new players

   So
   These latest comments look like the Spivs are preparing the ground for a bluster and bribe offensive with SFL clubs funded by TRFC fans

   The aim is to raise the TRFC sale price by getting into SPL2 next season thus enabling ST prices to be raised in a few weeks time

   The deal with Longshanks may well be along the following lines

   TRFC get into SPL2

   In exchange

   TRFC “promise” to field a Colts team permanently in an 18 team Div3 possibly at the expense of one club leaving the SFL on terms to be negotiated
   TRFC undertake to share income from TRFC Colts home games with visiting sides.This arrangement will not apply to income from any home matches against Celtic Colts
   This arrangement to take effect from next season
   Celtic get invited to join Div3 on a similar basis to TRFC with a similar income sharing arrangement
   Lets assume Celtic decline to field a team in the new Div3
   This doesnt matter to the Spivs They won`t be around this time next year.
   If Celtic refuse to get involved the MSM paint them as the bad guys
   ………………..
   So
   Other peoples money
   i.e.
   TRFC fans paying 3rd Div prices to watch the TRFC Colts inext season
   is used
   To negotiate TRFC into SPL2
   So that
   Next seasons ST books for TRFC can be raised to SPL2 levels
   So that
   TRFC can be milked of the ST money during the balance of 2013
   Meanwhile
   TRFc get sold in Dec 2013 at a better price that would have been possible otherwise
   And
   Ally doesnt get any cash from the Spivs to spend in the Jan 2014 transfer window
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   I am a genuine law abiding citizen. The only occasiobs when I have been subjected to being forced to stand in horse manure being driven into dangerous crushes being harassed abused and bullied on trains was supporting Celtic as a youth in the earlu Eighties. With the exception of one attack by Aberdeen casuals on innocent members of the public all acts of disorder that I witnessed at football matches were either instigated by Strathclyde police themselves or were responses to direct provocation and antagonisn by police officers. The main reason for the supposed improvement in fan behaviour over recent decades has been solely down to the police improvibg their behaviour. The recent deterioration and increase in anti social behaviour by the Strathclyde police is particularly worrying given the new National force is being headed by these hotheads.
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   Murray and Masterton – how long do they go back?

   Up until the early 90’s Rangers bankers were RBS. An old acquaintance of mine was a senior manager with RBS and told me way back then that the bank was desperate to offload the account due to the way Murray was running the club. However the bank took the view that for them to publicly ditch RFC would be extremely damaging to them in PR terms. Nonetheless they continued to seek ways of getting shot of the toxic account. Enter the BofS. Now I don’t know when the changeover took place (my acquaintance moved south and we lost touch so I can’t find out from him) but the timing is interesting.

   Did the BofS take over the account before Celtic imploded? If so, what chance was there that external pressure was being applied from the man with the apparent golden touch and the ear of the man of the moment – Mr Masterton – in order to bring about that collapse. Now 20 years ago this suggestion would be laughed at and derided. Maybe not today though.

   On the other hand if the BofS took over the account after the Celtic debacle then what possible reason would they have to get involved with another basket case of a club when they had narrowly dodged a bullet with Celtic. What security could Murray offer the BofS that was not acceptable to RBS.

   The double act that was/is Murray & Masterton is deserving of our full attention. Murray may have been the architect of the downfall of Scottish football but he had one helluva wing man.

   The rush to backtrack on Jimmy Calderwood’s slip up only confirms, to me at least, of how scared they are of the truth coming out. The problem is that there is very little chance of our MSM uncovering anything. They have no appetite for this. However I’m sure that there are enough of us internet bampots to get to the bottom of this.

   We need to keep asking and pressurising. If enough of us can use our collective strength then maybe one day the wall of silence will crumble.
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   Apparently, the council for the Oxford English Dictionary are to provide a definition for “sporting integrity” in its next edition.
   It seems it will state that sporting integrity is the principle by which you can finish a season in 33rd position in a league structure, and start he following season in the top 24, thereby utilising the other 9 clubs that all finished above you in the league structure as nothing more than a step ladder for your jack boots.
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   I wonder, is it possible that Mr Gavin Masterton of HBOS fame met the illustrious Mr Craig Whyte during his time at the bank? Perhaps Craig was a customer, looking to finance a big deal or two? Or as Treasurer of the Bank if there were concerns about the ability of a customer to repay a loan etc. would Mr Masterton have become involved at any point in a decision making process?

   A few years later (S)DM is looking for someone to buy the Rangers FC – you know right man for the Club a “Rangers man”, and one old friend to another ah David, I think I may know (of) someone?

   All speculation on my part.
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   Heard JC last night attempt to explain his wee SDM offering him the Dunfermline job gaff on OTB on Sat.
   What would any sporting body think when told that a chairman of one member club recruits the MANAGER of another member club with the carrot of ,if you do alright I will bring you to my club .
   A fair minded person would see the conflict of interest hear surely and the possible implications of such an arrangement .
   Was this cosy arrangement relayed to the SFA ,if not ,why not .Was it because at that time the peepil running ragers deemed the authorities an irrelevance .or was it a case of ,what they don’t know won’t hurt them .
   IMO the chances of JC telling this wee tale for the first time 14/15 yrs later is remote to say the least the problem seems to be that he said it this time with a wider audience listening .
   There was always a chance that this arrangement could cause a problem if the two clubs met in a very important fixture and by chance it did in 2003/2004 and the rest as they say is history .
   Of course everything could been all above board and no wrong doing ever took place ,the trouble is that in sport there is an essential need for fair play for the majority of supporters to believe in it and continue to support it .
   IMO just like the EBTs (side letters) should not have been entered into neither should this arrangement and the peepil responsible should have known this.
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   Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says: 16/04/2012 at 2:37 pm

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   Good Morning,
   RTC’s principal article highlights some very salient points. Similarly, Mr Graham Spiers’ article in yesterday’s Herald provides, at long last, a serious national article that points the gun at the wrongdoers in our game– both those who have played an active part in bringing about this unsavory mess, and those who have been, and who seek to be, passive perpetrators of manifest injustice and immorality.
   A few days ago, Roddy Forsyth sat in a BBC Scotland studio, and spouted forth that what he deeply regretted was that throughout the last number of years, there has been an absence of business journalists who have seriously questioned the business activities of David Murray and his MIH group of companies. It was this gap in the journalistic world, claimed Roddy, that represented the real failure on the part of the 5th estate when it came to reflecting on the Rangers disaster. Yet still there is a great deal of focus on Craig Whyte and what should have been discovered about him at the very outset, and less about the readily available info on the demise of MIH. Only last week, the press pages rolled with the great news that MIH had made a profit– only for the likes of Douglas Fraser of the BBC to come back from holiday and go public with the real facts– basically that Sir David was talking utter rubbish, that no such profit had been made in real terms, and providing a clear marker that certain sections of the press at least are no longer prepared to tolerate the Murray myths.
   I just wonder how many e-mails Roddy received from business journalists falling his claim that they have failed the Scottish Public over the years?
   However, I believe that there is an ever greater bogey man who is yet to be revealed in this sorry affair. A Bogey man and a Baddy who may well yet make every single constituent member of Scottish Football sit up and take a long good look at themselves and everyone else in the game. Yip– a real Rank Badjin, who roamed through the land with Murray and others in their posse– but who were never around to face the Sheriff, the cowboys and even the guys from the ACME and Pickering Newspapers.
   Let me introduce you to the concept of the jam in the sandwich. You know, the filler in between the two ends of the loaf, the bit in the middle trapped between the two ends!
   Let’s start with certain, seemingly unrelated, facts.
   David Murray “bought” Rangers in 1988 by effectively providing a guarantee to the Bank of Scotland in respect of the overdraft that had been run up by the previous regime under Lawrence Marloborough. Whatever way you want to look at it, Marlborough and the Lawrence family had spent money bringing in Souness and so on but were not prepared to go any further in terms of money. Nor would it appear were Bank of Scotland. Marlborough wanted out of town, but needed someone to take over the ranch– and at that time David Murray comes a wandering into town.
   To get a hold of Rangers in the first place, it is said that Murray approached Gavin Masterton. Masterton at the time was a senior figure at Bank of Scotland with his specific sphere of influence being corporate lending. He later went on to become both Managing Director and Treasurer of BOS as a whole. The story goes that Masterton tossed a coin, and told David Murray that if the coin came up heads, then he would accept Murray’s guarantee and he could therefore take over Rangers. Until then BOS had a security over Rangers in return for £6M– now they had that and a Murray guarantee. No need to even part with the nominal £1!
   David Murray replaces Marlborough, and starts on his spending spree that sees Rangers climb to new heights- literally. There was the redevelopment of Ibrox and the creation of the club deck with of course a massive use of steel which came from…. Murray International Metals! That company of course had to be paid for its product services and expertise– and so Bank of Scotland allowed Rangers to borrow and spend.. and borrow and spend… and borrow and spend………. and on it went.
   Now, consider this, that at that point Murrays core business was open cast mining and metals- mostly steel. He sold the metals business in 2005 for the price of £112M after profits rose from £5.5Million to £21.9Million in the course of the immediately preceding fiscal year. The company was bought by an American consortium called Jeffries Capital Partners. At the same time, Murray closed two open cast mines in Lanarkshire making dozens of people redundant. The metals business and the mines represented about a third or more of his then business empire…. according to Sir David at the time. We will come to that phenominal rise in profits later. Yet by that time MIH had increased their borrowings to over £500Million pounds!
   You do the maths!!!
   In other words, Murray put no money into Rangers to buy it, the borrowing pre Murray (1988) was at a £6m level and was not getting higher and so something somewhere must have changed to justify the kind of borrowing that was definitely off the table for both Rangers and Murray pre 1988.
   Before or After the date of acquisition of Rangers, Bank of Scotland came to fund every other club in the SPL as far as I know— including Celtic.
   Murray, would come borrow phenominal sums from HBOS— borrowing of an extent and style which were just not to the taste of Lloyds when they came to take over the HBOS reins! I am told by someone in the know that when Lloyds took over HBOS,
   Not long after the banks “merged”, I understand that Sir David Murray was told that Lloyds were taking immediate control of MIH, that no one in the Lloyds team could in any way fathom HOW Murray had ever been allowed to borrow what he had from HBOS, how certain facilities had been granted and finally that given other things that were going on in the bank, Sir David Murray could expect to hear from the Police as part of another matter!
   We now know that David Murray has indeed heard from the Police!
   Now, less than six years after Murray took control of Rangers,with a debt of £6m, and started to markedly increase their borrowing to improve a decrepit and non compliant stadium, The very bank that funded Murray, sought to liquidate Celtic with a debt of £5m and a stadium that was also in need of renovation and improvement. By this time, the justification for increased Rangers borrowing was the improvement of the stadium, the commercial use of adjacent office facilities, the extra income that brought, and the resulting ability to seemingly “afford” an ever better football team on the park! Yet, this supposedly successful business model was not to be encouraged when it came to Celtic by the very same bank! Now that is curious!
   As was later proven by Fergus McCann, the improvement of that stadium did lead to an increase in revenue and safety in financial terms– as was supposedly proven by Murray to the same bank a few years before. Of course the first thing that Fergus did was to ditch HBOS.
   Until 1990, Aberdeen Football Club worked without an overdraft with great success, and after Souness’ arrival at Ibrox Aberdeen were the nearest challengers to Rangers.
   However, in 1990, Aberdeen had to go to the bank to upgrade Pittodrie to comply with the Taylor report. They went to HBOS who provided the funds to upgrade Pittodrie. Similarly with Dundee United as I understand it and many other clubs. The Bank of Scotland then really got its teeth into Scottish Football and would go on to have a huge influence in everything that happened within the game– that grip still exists to a certain extent to this day– although whether it is exercised in exactly the same way as it has in the past is yet to be seen.
   In October 1990, Gavin Masterton is appointed Director of Dunfermiline Football Club– he is the longest serving Director of that football club, and he has remained a Director of that club long after he retired from Bank of Scotland in 2001. When he did retire from the Bank, Peter Burt, the main man at HBOS, paid tribute to him in the annual accounts of the bank as follows:
   Finally, I must thank Gavin Masterton for his remarkable
   contribution to the Bank over the past 44 years. In my opinion,
   Gavin is the most CREATIVE and effective banker in the UK, a
   view shared by many of those who have dealt with him. I have
   learned much from Gavin and I am grateful for that knowledge
   and his help and friendship since we started working closely
   together more than twenty years ago.
   Note the word “Creative”—- within 7 years the bank which described itself as the “efficient” goes bust!!
   The Banks accounts for 2001 are here: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct…4srEeO-ZYen3ig
   When Masterton retires, he continues to be involved in both the bank and football, not only through Dunfermiline but also through Stadia, the company he formed with HBOS finance, to help clubs redevelop their tired stadia into moderm grounds complete with offices and ancilliary business opportunities—— all a la the Murray proven model– although of course by this time the idea has been underlined and proven to be a great success by wee Fergus.
   However, by then, we get other clubs in crisis– possibly because by then, the very same Bank are putting the squeeze on the facilities that they have provided to these clubs in the past. The Thompsons have to take over Dundee Utd, Romanov comes to Hearts in 2005 after that club had sought a buyer for years ( remember much of the ground round Tynecastle has been bought up by Murray and the son of Wallace Mercer ) amidst never ending rumours that they will be forced to sell Tynecastle.
   I invite others– the more Accountancy types among us- to look at the Corporate history of every other club in Scotland between 1990 and 2008– and compare the dates when they they all individually seemed to struggle for money– and how and what steps were taken to alleviate that financial pressure!
   By 2001 Masterton,has started up the Stadia Business and is effectively repeating the exercise that Murray was allowed to complete at IIbrox re the rejuvenation of the stadia– he builds them for the clubs etc– and I just wonder where he gets the steel?????
   Remember Murray sells the metals business in 2005 already owing HBOS over £500Million on the back of profits somehow jumping from £5m to almost £22m at the very time Stadia is at its pomp.
   Wonder how that happened?
   So look at this article from 2004, after Stadia, under control of the Bank “Guru” fails miserably and is threatened with winding up by HMRC for not paying its taxes? You will see some familiar names in there who just happen to be prominent once again today.
   http://www.scotsman.com/news/mastert…cern-1-1298971
   Then consider this article from Ian Fraser- who is the leading journalist anywhere covering bank corruption whether that be HBOS or The Royal Bank.
   Again there are some familiar names here but most importantly look at the date where the bank’s attitude hardens– June 2003.
   http://www.ianfraser.org/keane%E2%80%99s-last-stand/
   Celtic have just come back from Seville and of course lost the league on the last day when Rangers beat a Dunfermiline team who dropped their bags at the airport before heading on to Ibrox. Of course, a Director of the visiting team— Gavin Masterton.
   RTC raises the spectre of events re the Rangers team that took to the field in 2005 against Hibs. Of course Celtic lost the league that day by not putting Motherwell to the sword– and it is the fault of the Celtic team on the day that they were not crowned Champions, but the point is that RTC is making it plain that the “figures” for that Rangers squad were gerrymandered in so far as contracts and taxes were concerned.
   For years now, Ian Fraser has been reporting that certain figures surrounding businesses which were banked by Bank of Scotland, were also Gerrymnandered and are open to scrutiny and criticism. At the bottom of this post I link numerous articles on what has now come to be described as the policy of “Handshake” banking that was prevalent within the Bank of Scotland at the time. Just look at the major names in Scottish business who are mentioned in there — many of whom have now been contacted by the Police who are conducting a massive investigation into the activities of the Corporate Lending Sector of HBOS. This is the very section that was headed up by Gavin Masterton and later Peter Cummings, who was taught all he knows by Masterton, and who retired from the bank in his early 50′s with a lifetime pension of circa £9,000/week based on his “performance” as the Banker to Scotland’s business “names” such as David Murray.
   The police investigation has recently been widened and benefits from increased manpower. The FSA are monitoring the position– badly in the eyes of sum.
   However, most importantly, it is said that those within the bank used what would otherwise have been confidential financial information provided by their own customers, for their own benefit and to ensure that certain businesses remained either profitable for the bank, or that the business some businesses were deemed insolvent with the result that the favoured clients and executives within the banks made a profit out of the sale of assets belonging to HBOS customers whose businesses were pressured by the same bank!
   The bank stand accused of suchunderhand dealing in court– where there is a class action by numerous Bank customers against the policies of the bank and its officials– which policy and practices are effectively the subject of criminal investigation.
   Against this background, I pose the question when did the wheels come off the Bank of Scotland Bogie? When did the Corporate Lending section of the Bank of Scotland morph into an institution where the bank executives played fast and loose with moral and ethical business practices in order to maintian a bonus system based on their ability to be “CREATIVE” and gather an ever bigger lending book and relationship with the big businesses and players in the UK?
   To what lengths– ( allegedly criminal and fraudulent lengths ) did the bank and its officials go to ensure that success was achieved, and as far as football was concerned, did they ever get to a position where they had lent out so much money to one particular club or its owner, that it became in the banks interests that they did everything they could to ensure the success of their chief borrower?
   Remember Murray sells ( or is forced to sell ? ) MIM for £112MILLION – supposedly one third of his empire and yet his borrowing is a massive £500M at that point (2005)- but somehow within the next 3 years that borrowing is allowed to grow to over £750Million — something I repeat that Lloyds would have had no taste for!
   Dunfermiline as you can see have had massive questions asked about how they support and sustain their overdraft- which hardly maches Rangers borrowing– but at the same time their borrowing is greater than Livingstone’s who have been forced to go to the wall as a result of…well… it would appear Masterton’s mismanagement of Stadia.
   How does that work for one club, but not for another? By the way, today, Dunfermiline is effectively owned by a parent company and is financed by way of “soft” loans from The Directors and said parent company. Go on– you will never guess who owns the parent company……Did I hear you say Gavin Masterton?
   Where is the rest of Scottish Football?
   Celtic are Independent, but the rest are all, or have been, in hawk to the Bank of Scotland/Lloyds in varying, and possibly ever decreasing, levels.
   In short, the Bank of Scotland have been all over Scottish Football– every aspect of it— for two decades or more and Where you get HBOS over that period you get– Masterton or Cummings– and where you get Masterton or Cummings you get Murray.
   Ian Fraser has already highlighted the fact that the Corporate lending section of the Bank of Scotland is the subject of Britain’s biggest corporate fraud investigation. See his blog for repeated references to Operation Hornet and to his questioning the practices and integrity of the bank and its officials.
   Where am I going with all this?
   Well there comes a time when it is in the Bank of Scotland’s interest for Rangers to win and be successful. European Football is essential, as we know that not being top of the pile means lack of money and a shortfall and a reduction in the ability of Rangers/MIH/Murray to repay debt.
   We also know ( without rushing to judgement ) that there are those within HBOS at this time who gained from squeezing HBOS clients, recovering assets, selling them to themselves or their favoured customers, and then sharing the uplift on resale with HBOS trusted partners. It is alleged that the benefactors of such practices included David Murray/Tom hunter/Sir Philip Green/Rocco Forte and others. They have all been spoken to by the Police as part of Hornet apparently.
   So, at some stage, did the Bank of Scotland squeeze the other clubs in Scottish Football– partly to recover monies but also to ensure one of their biggest clients with a football team had the greatest possible chance in the sporting arena and so maximise the money and the corporate solvency?
   Did Rangers have the money to buy players from other clubs in Scotland and pay rediculous wages– Novo, Gow, Dodds ,Goram,Boyd,Webster,McCann, Whittaker, Naismith, Duncan Ferguson, Iain Ferguson,Kenny Miller whoever– strengthening the own squad– but at the same time weakening the league opposition? Didn’t matter if they ever played or not.
   At some point, did Murray’s borrowing get so mental that it reached the stage that from the HBOS perspective it was essential that Rangers must win?
   I recall being at a business meeting with some of those linked to certain recent goings on at Ibrox. Rangers were really in the ascendancy, right in the middle of 9 in a row, Celtic were poor also rans. But there was hope with Di canio, Cadete and van Hooydonk. A comment was made which I ignored at the time– which was that the corporate guys at Rangers were desperate for Celtic to win — something– even the league– but preferably the cup– because Rangers were so far ahead that the bears had stop coming, stopped spending and stopped throwing money at Ibrox. The borrowing was up and the income- despite on field success– was reducing– because there was no edge to the matches with Celtic because they were no real challenge.
   But the bankers wanted money– and for there to be money there has to be rivalry between the big two. Whereas before HBOS wanted to put Celtic out of business, it was now the case that a challenge from Celtic at least was seen as essential to getting the Ibrox revenue up, and so help reduce or service bank debt.
   We have always taken the view that there has been something not quite right about Scottish Football– many things in fact.
   Now we know about Bain, EBT’s, double contracts, and oh so many other things. We also know that there are those who speak with some authority and who allege that the bank was rotten to the core.
   In light of all this, what role has the Bank of Scotland played in Scottish Football over the period and are its hands clean?
   Review of the various clubs accounts may well reveal certain bank debt patterns. Ian Fraser may well have a whistleblower somewhere- he has in the past— but if you sit back and think about it the advance of Rangers with bank debt and the decline of other previously successful teams with the same bank must have some correlation and connection.
   See the articles linked below! Maybe these journalists are just nutters with access to a keyboard and the net like the rest of us on here. Or maybe, like the rest of us, Roddy Forsyth just doesn’t read the papers. But questions have been asked about the Murray model and its veracity etc, yet the football guys ahve just not picked it up!
   The other clubs might just want to look at their own accounts over the years and their relationship with the bank at certain key moments in time.. and maybe give that a wee bit of a review. They might just descern a pattern of behaviour.
   Then again– maybe I am just a paranoid tim?

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    @ auchinstarry says:
    Monday, March 18, 2013 at 23:01

    The Eurovision entry for Bonnie Tyler was decided on Sunday, I’m afraid: Total Eclipse of the Hearts, I believe she’s called it…
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    fishnish says:
    Monday, March 18, 2013 at 22:48
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    Well done to St. Mirren…a great game…

    Now when can St. Mirren expect home gates to match the numbers that turned out at Hampden to support them?..
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    I’ve been away celebrating so missed this venom
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    Venom?…I think you have had to much of the sauce..

    Back tracking…utter tosh…

    Old scum…the word venom springs to mind…

    Nastiness seeping into this forum….?

    I think you are having whats called…a heads gone moment..
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    iceman63 says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 00:00
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    Have witnessed many very negative experiences from the cops too.

    As a youngster my pals and me were confused getting away from Hampden and I decided to
    ask directions from one of Strathclydes finest who promptly pointed us in the direction.

    One of my mates noticed him go back to the van, say something to his mates and they all started to laugh.

    So, call us cynical, paranoid wee tims, but we decided to go in the opposite direction, and
    guess what? Yes, the fine upholder of the law had sent us completely in the wrong direction.

    Lesson learned. Many more followed that I can assure you!

    How can anyone have faith in that mob when they carry on as they do?
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    ma heed hurts 😉
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    macbrayne says:
    Monday, March 18, 2013 at 20:13

    I am sure that Charles ,or his scribe ,was using the term byzantine to mean devious or underhand.
    ——

    More likely “over-complicated”.

    Byzantine architecture, to which you rightly refer, was a bit over the top in the ornate stakes in a Baroque kind of way. Also, the Byzantine “empire” (they never called themselves that, they referred to themselves as Romans, being that they were really a displaced continuation of the Roman empire) morphed into a complicated web of small city states.

    So – “complicated”.

    Had they meant “devious”, they’d probably have said “Machiavellian”. Which is also unfortunate, because Machiavelli was a decent enough egg. His name is now used to refer to the political tactics which he described.

    Just saying! 🙂
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    Just had a senior moment there. I thought I had signed into a web site concerning itself with the history of early medieaval Europe.

    Bit like Charles Green thinking he can sign into any division of his liking.
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    rantin – just wait till JC gets back from Oz. Then we’ll get back to the “proper” Roman Empire. 🙂
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    ‘Look lad we are not playing in Division three again,we fancy jumping up two, maybe three preferably.Dependin’ on’t type o’ set you lads dream up.Ya reet boogers’

    ‘Campbell,sort it lad !’
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    Senior says:
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    Mr Murray and his football club Institution FC.
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    Sorry valsclown, Establishment FC is the name of the club
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    Fabric Of Society FC has a certain wee ring to it.
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    Fishnish: “I’m saddened to see similar nastiness seep into this forum”
    Well you’ve paid it back with interest with, as you say, “in the same mean spirited and small-minded vein”

    “when the financial playing field is not tilted in favour of those who follow religion instead of sport” – WTF?
    “when numerically based arrogance is not accepted as a valid basis for criticism” – I don’t know what that means.
    “when there’s a chance of genuine competition” – what like St Mirren beating Celtic in the cup?
    ” Old Scum is finally gone from Scottish football” – as far as I am concerned the Old Firm as was, is deadand has been dead ever since OldGers cheating came to light.
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    Am I the only one confused with Charlie’s latest statement on the T’Rangers website.

    “If the 12-12-18 structure is to be the chosen one then I would propose that two additional teams, one a Rangers Colts team, are added to the lowest league”

    Ehh so does than mean Chalres is in favour of a 12-12-20 structure as opposed to his real favourite of 14-14-14. Or does he mean 12-12-10-10. Well no it can’t be 12-12-10-10 as that would still keep them out of the 2nd 12.

    Or is he trying to cover all bases by saying that if a T’Rangers Colts Team is in the lowest division of 18/20 then the full T’Rangers team will defintely have to be in the division above.

    If he was so keen on the colts idea then why was T’Rangers proposals not 14-14-16?

    Also a nice wee bribe in there with a guarantee of the cost of 300 briefs per Colts game.
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    smartbhoy says:
    Monday, March 18, 2013 at 22:51

    ecobhoy says:
    Monday, March 18, 2013 at 20:49
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    I wasn’t going to get into the GB debate as I think it has no place for this blog but I feel the need to reply here..
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    I would agree that the argument that the GB are having with Celtic FC is well outwith the scope of this blog but what isn’t is the wider picture of the new legislation and its effect on football supporters and the recent targeting of Rangers and Celtic supporters both within football grounds and outside and even at their place of work.

    I did bring this issue up on here previously but it didn’t seem to be of much interest possibly because at that stage Rangers fans were the ones more under the cosh but I am glad to see that others have woken up to the possible civil liberties issues I was trying to highlight.

    What saddens me about a few of the contributions on this issue is the view that StrathPol were 100% in the wrong and that the marchers were attacked for just going about their business – that isn’t the case and there is blame on both sides and unless we accept this and try to find a solution then the matter will escalate and someone might be seriously hurt.

    You pose a series of questions/points and I will give my response underneath each of them:

    a) Why should young people be in the way of potential harm when it’s the Police force that should be protecting them, not attacking them with batons.

    A) These young people were put in the way of harm by the people who organised an unauthorised march. I saw batons drawn but didn’t actually see any being used although I do not claim to have seen all the footage shot.

    b) I don’t know if you’ve viewed all videos and photos, but there was no aggro or even singing. How would you react if you’re freedom of movement is met by kettling and confined into a claustrophobic situation by the said people who’re meant to be protecting you.

    A) Most of the footage I have seen seems to be from the original block on the march just before the kettle was put in place. As a demonstrator for most of my life I know fine well that my freedom of movement and even my liberty is at risk and any well-organised demo/march makes sure that all participants are well briefed on these issues. I have to say that what happened on Saturday barely met the definition of ‘kettling’ and I find it hard to believe that many people suffering from claustrophobia are football spectators.

    c) I was a young person once and have met harassment as a young Celtic fan from police forces around Scotland ( In the rest of the UK and Europe any police forces I’ve encountered have been terrific).

    A) I was born and brought-up in a scheme and am no stranger to police tactics – just like real life there are good and bad ones. I have to say that, in general, police are much more restrained in a physical sense in how they deal with people and that is no bad thing.

    d) Why didn’t the operating officer in this realise that it was a set up to expose their brutality to all?

    A) You actually confirm the point that I have made all along that there was an agenda at work by the march organisers. Did the participants realise they were just cannon fodder to create an incident that would expose police brutality to all. This whole development worries me and smacks of taking the issue beyond mere football support and into the political realms where the youngsters being used are ‘innocents’.

    e) Why wouldn’t Strathclyde Police walk away? Why did it need to be met at all? Thousand of Celtic fans walk to Celtic Park every home match ( Roads and Pavements) What’s the difference.

    A) The difference is that the organisers publicly threw down the gauntlet that they would be marching and nothing, including the police, would stop them. As I have previously said this could not be ignored by StrathPol and they were right not to do so. The difference between the thousands of other fans walking to the match and the demonstrators is that most fans were intent on going to watch a game of football but the organisers of the protest were intent on confrontation to foment and then expose police brutality. Personally, as far as I have seen to date although this could change, they failed in that.

    Whoever was in charge of the operation was an ego maniac and instead of common sense prevailing, they went in heavy handed.

    A) It may well be that the person in charge is an ego maniac but I have no way of knowing. It doesn’t appear to me they went in heavy-handed. They contained the demo and stopped the march and warned the marchers not to try and get away to reform and continue the protest or they would be arrested. Some did and that’s when problems began.

    No matter what you think, this is an alleged democratic country . 200 or so people no matter what group they’re in or team they support should be able to walk to the stadium of the team they support on the day of the game without being assaulted by the people who’re funded by taxes to protect them.

    A) I don’t think this is an ‘alleged democratic country’ I know it is one of the most democratic countries in the world and if I didn’t think so I would be living elsewhere. I totally agree with you that 200 people should be able to walk to a football game. In fact thousands upon thousands of fans did this on Saturday without any problem.

    Why then did this group have to be organised to meet and mount a demo against the actions of the police and Celtic FC. I know why – it was hoped that the demo would attract thousands of Celtic fans rallying to the Green Brigade political agenda and that they would be an unstoppable force and mob rule would win the day and control the streets. I am glad to see that the vast majority recognised the Green Brigade ‘stunt’ for what it was.

    My sympathy goes to the young people who were used by their faceless leaders and I doubt if any of them ended up in the nick.
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    BRT&H’s piece from a year ago describes, I believe, the ‘nuclear’ situation much talked about in the glory days of RTC.

    There are far too many strange coincidences and at some point they have to add up and make sense. I believe this makes a LOT of sense. My fear is that it’s just too big to break into the mainstream. The ramifications would be gigantic for our game and society in general.

    The fact that the MSM have more or less left Murray alone and vilified, with some reason, CW tells me all I need to know. They needed someone to take the heat and in wanders the naive simpleton who is only thinking of the cash. His track record was such that they knew exactly how it would play out. However it happened a lot quicker than they bargained for and the links to Murray are much closer as a result. Had they qualified for the CL the demise may have been averted for another couple of years, giving SDM a better opportunity to disappear into memory.

    When I hear on SBS endless angry Rangers fans screaming about how they ‘won’ and are ‘innocent’ it makes it clear to me how difficult it will be to get the real story out. The fine folks on blogs like this one are tiny in number compared to the brainwashed masses reading newspapers and listening to the absurdity that is SBS. They have already branded the likes of us as ‘bampots’ and ‘conspiracy theory nutters’, a tried and tested way of never letting the truth gain credibility.

    It will be an uphill struggle but hopefully the truth will come out. Operation Hornet is the key but I think an Iraq style whitewash is on the cards for that, such is the profile and prestige enjoyed by some of the crooks who will be caught up in it.

    I just listened to Five Live talking about Iraq. An MP mentioned that months prior to the invasion taking place he was handed a bit of paper by an unnamed source with the exact date that the invasion would take place. And it did. It had been decided and the politicians couldn’t do anything about it according to the MP. Now I don’t know about you but this sounds huge to me. Who ‘decided’, who are these people? I want to know. Nicky Campbell said nothing and the conversation moved on.

    There are ‘unnamed forces’ at work and they always get their way. It will happen with this situation too, of that there is little doubt…
23. 
    

    On CG’s little rant. Remember the old proverb: When integrity is ignored to the benefit of one it will be chastised (eventually) when integrity is ignored to the benefit of 17 other Div 3 teams all of whom have a vote you’re pretty much stuffed!

    On the Charlotte 18 scandal and BRTH’s description above, more of the same please. Obviously the above has ‘an angle,’ certainly read that way to me, so please anyone like to provide a counter arguement. And if no-one has pointed it out before is Charlotte 18 the nuclear isotope of the safer Charlotte 54?
24. 
    

    This Charlotte 18 stuff is very intriguing.

    I keep on thinking back to the words of Jim Traynor, the founding member of the succulent lamb brigade, when he was employed at our expense by the BBC, back at the start of the liquidation process of Rangers.
    Throughout the various stages of drawing out the administration to allow them to see out the season, he would repeatedly say on Radio Scotland that there was “much more to come out” – us license payers knew nothing, he knew everything but couldn’t possibly say. Why did nobody at the BBC ever really press him on this “knowledge” he professed to have? Were they all in on it?

    These MSM hacks hide behind the old line of knowing nothing about the business side of things but I’m pretty sure Traynor and co. are very well aware of all the shady deals that have went on over the years.

    Charlotte 18 could be one of the best yet …….
25. 
    

    Obviously Green’s latest offering is intriguing.

    But what I wonder is what does he actually wants? He has thrown a dolly mixture bag of proposals and inducements into the melting pot but he knows he could never get them all.

    So does he want accelerated promotion or is his ‘colts’ the main part of the agenda. A helluva lot of Rangers fans seem to be sticking to the agenda of working through the various levels and quite a lot think they shouldn’t be accelerated because they would get thrashed by just about everyone.

    The ones that seem happy with accelerated promotion recognise that a large amount of cash is required to make that happen and I doubt if that fits with Green’s agenda.

    I base this on nothing more than a hunch but I think the ‘colts’ is the real target he’s aiming at but possibly for not so obvious reasons. He needs to get his season ticket prices up and it would be a good marketing ploy to let ST holders into ‘colt’ home games for free with say the bonus of a free ticket or two for each game. Then he can claim a whole lot of new world records 🙂

    In a sense it also fits with the fans’ boycott mentality in that they can watch the colts on alternate weeks at home and effectively ‘boycott’ the teams the Rangers first team is playing and thus hurts them financially which helps to quicken the road back to all-out supremacy and reduces the amount that Green needs to spend on building a team to get back to the top.

    It’s also why Green needs to get to a level above the lowest so that the ‘colts’ could play.

    As I say I’m more just putting thoughts out there but Green is a gambler and he won’t be showing all his cards and from what he’s done so far he’s a good bluffer and definitely a risk-taker – at the end of the day he also plays with other people’s money which can provide a real edge.

    I have generally been fairly relaxed at Celtic adopting a low-key approach as I think it’s the best way to deal with Green but I don’t think they can sit back and not comment on the ‘colts’ issue and what do the football authorities have to say about the pieces of silver on offer – surely that just cannot be allowed. We might as well allow the Far East and Chinese betting syndicates start paying cash to clubs on a more formalised basis. In fact, if properly organised, the importance of TV revenue would diminish. Btw I hope my tongue can be seen firmly in cheek.
26. 
    

    Of all the crass comments made by Charles Green, the “lets compare balance sheets” was the most offensive.

    In the spirit of comparing I have a few predictions of my own.

    There are 42 professional clubs in Scotland. They all lodge accounts and all use 30/6 as their year end (as far as I am aware)

    They all therefore produce a profit and loss report for the year. Only one uses the financial nonsense of revaluing “brand value” . This kicks in after the operational P&L. In Rangers case as is widely reported there was a loss of £7 million for the first 7 months, as anyone with a brain, and certainly anyone contemplating investing or lending will ignore the “brand value ” nonsense.

    So heres prediction 1

    Rangers will lose more money than the rest of Scottish Football combined. Given Celtic will make a significant profit, and they are one of the other 41, thats really not too much of a risky prediction

    so here’s prediction 2

    Rangers will lose more money than the combined total of all Scottish Clubs who post a loss for the year ending 30/6/13

    In fact I would go almost as far as to guarantee that.

    And in prediction 2 you have the nub of the rantings, threats , screams and demands of Green. He has an unsustainable business model. He desperately needs SPL football to put up ticket prices and access to SPL TV and sponsorship revenues, and to increase his own commercial contracts.

    Remember the prediction.

    Rangers will lose more money than the combined total of all Scottish Clubs who post a loss for the year ending 30/6/13.

    Armaggedon ? Yes .

    However only for Rangers
27. 
    

    ecobhoy says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 11:14

    A Bears Den post went up earlier this morning asking how many Colts games would fans go to.

    Could be an interesting indicator as to how the Bears take to the idea.

    Surely, on previous form, Charels would have asked the fans opinion before puttiing forward such a proposal 🙂
28. 
    

    I meant to add on the issue of the ‘colts’ that they will be seen as merely ‘product’ part developed at Murray Park and then put in the football ‘shop window’ to be sold on. The fact that these are youngsters with blue blood running through their veins means nothing.

    They can be turned into cash and it’s possible a first refusal clause could be built-in so that if they end-up doing well then they can be recalled to Ibrox or possibly just sell-on percentages would be enough for the Ibrox money machine.
29. 
    

    wottpi says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 11:23

    ecobhoy says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 11:14

    A Bears Den post went up earlier this morning asking how many Colts games would fans go to.

    Could be an interesting indicator as to how the Bears take to the idea.

    Surely, on previous form, Charels would have asked the fans opinion before puttiing forward such a proposal 🙂
    ——————————————————————————————————-

    I’ll need to have a look but I’ve always found – if you give it time – that in among all the rantings there are elements of truth/fact which aren’t always immediately obvious.

    Charles never ask the Bears their opinion on anything unless he knows what the answer will be and that is why he didn’t go to them on being accelerated up the leagues as I think there is a bit of resistance to that and I don’t think the ‘colt’ idea will be resisted but posters’ opinions on that will be interesting.

    It is getting harder and harder to work-out what Bears are actually thinking as there are obvious signs of PR input in all sorts of forums punting the Ibrox line – some subtle and some much more obvious usually from low number posters.
30. 
    

    CG desire to be bumped up a league is doomed to fail

    Even if the SPL approve the reshuffle, the SFL won’t approve it if Sevco are bumped up to SPFL2

    the 10 teams in current SFL2 stand to miss out on the love and “money” of sevco and the SFL teams will welcome another go at them and the love and “money” that they are bringing

    SFL1 teams will also fancy impriving their chances of going into the middle 8 without a sevco there to take 1 place.

    I can’t see why the SFL teams would agree to bump them up a league when all it means is missing out on all that love and “money” for an extra year

    I guess that is why charlie felt the need to offer the bribe – shameless.
31. 
    

    Charlie Verde wants Sevco Rangers to be promoted if they win the 3rd Div, regardless of league reconstruction. He apparently believes that Sevco Rangers should be promoted ahead of the likes of Ayr, Forfar, Brechin, Alloa etc, despite these and other teams finishing the season higher up the existing structure than his new club. Did he say someting about “sporting integrity”?

    I have the perfect solution. Reconstruct as 12-12-1-17 and give him the promotion he wants.
32. 
    

    wottpi says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 10:37

    Am I the only one confused with Charlie’s latest statement on the T’Rangers website.

    “If the 12-12-18 structure is to be the chosen one then I would propose that two additional teams, one a Rangers Colts team, are added to the lowest league”
    ——

    No, I’m confused too.

    I understood that if the 12-12-18 structure was going ahead, then TRFC would be resigning from Scottish football altogether (Mr Green: Jan 2013) – not trying to shin up an extra division closer to the SPL which they’ll refuse to enter anyway (Mr Green, Oct 2012), and introduce extra TRFC teams into the setup while they’re at it.
33. 
    

    angus1983 says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 12:06
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    wottpi says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 10:37

    Am I the only one confused with Charlie’s latest statement on the T’Rangers website.

    “If the 12-12-18 structure is to be the chosen one then I would propose that two additional teams, one a Rangers Colts team, are added to the lowest league”
    ——

    No, I’m confused too.

    I understood that if the 12-12-18 structure was going ahead, then TRFC would be resigning from Scottish football altogether (Mr Green: Jan 2013) – not trying to shin up an extra division closer to the SPL which they’ll refuse to enter anyway (Mr Green, Oct 2012), and introduce extra TRFC teams into the setup while they’re at it.

    ——————————————————————-

    ah, but the SPL will then be the SPFL – so thats ok.

    I believe all the SPL team boards have agreed to resign on masse and sack the managers and backroom staff and replace every single player who was at the club/company/ethereal entity during the SPL years

    thus ensuring a cleaned and clean SPFL for Sevco to enter

    After all, if he won’t sit in the same room as these SPL directors….how could he do it with the same people in the SPFL?

    what am i missing?
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    Joking apart I would genuinely ask the question of Green to explain further. Did he mean 12-12-18 with the 18 then expanding to 20 (assuming no teams go up in smoke, and assuming Sevco weren’t in the original 18 to block the colts admission)? In which case did he then mean 12-12-20 or did he mean 12-12-10-10. If its the latter why are we having the discussion at all? Just leave it the way it is for a year pending further discussion (and thus solving the div 3 promotion question all on its own without any intervention). But confirm it now, not on the 3rd of August.

    The reason I suspect is TV money and sponsorship. But then we never seem to actually see the figures behind armageddon on that one do we. Boy that cried wolf increasingly springing to mind.

    I do not want 12-12-18 purely to spite Sevco by making them replay div 3 all over again. If someone is saying we have to have 12-12-18 (or 20 for that matter with the ‘precedent for 33rd to 24th promotion it implies) for TV/sponsorship then let them say it, publicly, don’t just let it become default by implication which is what I think charlie boy is really after.
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    Finloch’s Fast Fixes

    1. No reconstruction mid-season, and genuine fan input and involvement in any new proposals which should include a pyramid system.
    2. One Football League Authority for all clubs including minor leagues in an integrated system.
    3 A neutral and honest SFA with fans on the key committees alongside clubs and all agendas and minutes published.
    4. Fairer revenue split across all licensed teams starting season 2013-2014 with less for the top and more reaching downwards.
    5. No colts teams in lower leagues, ever.
    6. No fast tracking up leagues for any club, ever.
    7. An honest review of the rule bending including the 5 way agreement and fair treatment to those currently in post.
36. 
    

    Stranraer

    is it not the case when the league was reorganised, Stranraer only went up 1 division (promoted as champions of 2nd division)

    the “issue” was that 5 teams from the 1st division were relegated that season

    I still can’t see how CGs sevco moving from the 4th tier of Scottish football to the third tier is not considered a promotion
37. 
    

    finloch says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 12:49

    I thought it was already in the rules that you had to give at least a season’s notice when reconstructing the league…. no, wait, I’ve just shown my naivety there, haven’t I?
38. 
    

    http://ptfc.co.uk/news/2012-2013/march_2013/deal_for_dunfermline_fans_on_april_27th

    Hopefully more than 500 will turn up as that seems a reasonably low number even with their team not doing too well.
39. 
    

    I think it is time someone stood up and closed the barn door on the idea of the colts. ” Charlie says” seems to be panicking as mentioned above sevco accounts for year are galloping in the wrong direction. He needs money and this reconstruction plea is his way out.

    There are other thorough breds ahead of him in the field who have a bit of history that involves integrity as part of the course..

    If all the demands and threats of his fail with this (Charlie reconstruction plan) then he is left with only his donkeys and that would really be an unfair playing field.

    He wants in the Grand National but is stuck in farmer Old MacDonald’s farm ploughing the field.

    He has got to go the distance fairly then we will all welcome him back into the chase.
40. 
    

    valentinesclown says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 13:19

    I agree – he’s saddled with debt and is looking to bolt.
    Things will have to get a lot more stable at Ibrox before they get to the SPL.
    He needs reined in.
41. 
    

    So far on the Bears Den (small response but) not many in favour of paying to watch a colts team.

    -Want free entry with season ticket.
    -Some saying they would only go a couple of times a season max.
    -Worries if playing at Ibrox that pitch would deteriorate with weeklty use.

    Of course if the colts were playing away then who would go see them when the big team was playing at Ibrox or live on the TV? Even having kick-off split on the same day or one saturday and one sunday aint gonna get people through the door to away fixtures as the logistics would just be too much.

    Only the die hards with cash to splash would think of watching both teams on the same day or weekend.

    Charles is just going to be paying other clubs £4500 per game along with all his travel costs etc.

    When at home in front of miniscule crowds it will cost more to turn on the floodlights and the pie ovens than is taken through the gate.

    See this one getting kicked into the long grass pretty pronto.
42. 
    

    Its a slap in the face for the teams being relegated to the bottom tier, passed on the way by the TRFC.

    Dropping a league, FFS TRFC had a deal with the devil that was better than that, as a reward for committing club suicide and bumping everyone they had been robbing for over a decade.
43. 
    

    barcabhoy says:

    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 11:19

    I have a business model based on published figures from Interims and Prospectus. I have ran it by a couple of folk who both commented I was being over generous.

    They are screwed during next season and that is with £19.5M share income (£22.5 less costs).

    The question for the SFA is will they grant a club licence for next season and on what basis? The projections presumably used to grant one in the first place or fresh projections based on latest figures?

    If there are any Rangers supporters reading ask the SFA on what basis a licence is being granted next season. Ask the SFA if they have no going concern issues with The Rangers business model.

    Scottish football is being lied to in a desperate attempt to keep a failed model alive and none more so than The Rangers supporters.

    Anyone interested have a look at the National Club Licensing financial criteria from last year

    Here are the financial criteria from 2012

    http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/PartTwo-NationalClubLicensing/8%20%20Legal%20Admin%20&%20Finance%20Criteria%20(2).pdf

    and 2013

    http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/ClubLicensing/Part2:National/Part2Sect8_Legal,Admin,FinanceandCodesofPractice%20Criteria.pdf

    Check and compare 8.12

    Spot the differences. One good change is that some of what clubs supply the SFA will be made public.

    The rest including the transparency statement are at http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_document_libraries.cfm
44. 
    

    Concerns have been raised that bloggers may face stiff libel fines under rules imposed by a new press watchdog.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21845555
45. 
    

    stolen from KDS
    after the Record called charlies bribe a sweetener

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFuMmosCIAA-SC_.jpg:large
46. 
    

    Firstly apologies for the length of this post, (CG partly to blame). A more accurate version of Mr Greens words with some reading between the lines. My comments in capitals…………

    RANGERS Chief Executive Charles Green has released the following statement on league reconstruction:

    “The continuing debate on reconstruction of Scottish football AND THE INCREDIBLE BIAS AND LENIENCY SHOWN TO PREVIOUS AND PRESENT INCUMBENTS OF IBROX is leaving football fans up and down the country bewildered and thoroughly exasperated – and who can blame them?

    “They feel their voice is being ignored by their own clubs let alone the football authorities and fear the current proposals will not herald meaningful change EXCEPT FOR MORE BIAS AND FAVOURITISM FOR THE IBROX TEAM.

    “I would like to make THE SEVCO’ position on this issue crystal clear so there can be no ambiguity REGARDING THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT WE DESERVE, when clubs within the SFL and the SPL come to vote on a reconstruction model.

    “First, we obviously support the creation of a single league body, (OBVIOUSLY WITH EX-IBROX STALWARTS AND SEVCO SYMPATHISERS IN ALL POSITIONS OF POWER) as anything that can be done to streamline the byzantine structures of Scottish football should be welcomed. ESPECIALLY AS THIS BYZANTINE APPROACH SCUPPERED THE DUMP THE DEBT PLAN BY FAILING TO ALLOW SEVCO THEIR GOD-GIVEN, RIGHTFUL PLACE IN THE SPL LAST YEAR.

    “Secondly, I am disappointed that the notion, (FROM A BARELY 6 MONTH OLD ASSOCIATE MEMBER CLUB) of a league structure of three leagues comprising 14 teams each was not pursued more vigorously as this would have gone some way to APPEASING the concerns of many SEVCO football fans regarding small leagues.

    “Given we are where we are, I am putting forward the following league structure proposals which I firmly believe to be in the SOLE interests of SEVCO but WILL also WEAKEN Scottish football as a whole, ENABLING OUR MARCH TO OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE AT THE TOP OF THE TREE TO BE EXPEDITED.

    It is essential that any proposals address satisfactorily the issue of sporting integrity and I believe our proposals do that. SPORTING INTEGRITY IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE WHEN IT SUITS US AT IBROX.

    “All things being well, SEVCO should win the Division 3 title and, that being the case, we should be promoted. That should happen regardless of what league structure the powers that be put in place.

    “It would be manifestly wrong to deny any team promotion having won the competition they have entered into at the start of the season AND AS SUCH THE TEAM WHO WINS THE 2ND DIVISION SHOULD ALSO BE PROMOTED TO THE SPL. Equally, teams which have been relegated should not benefit unfairly from any a restructuring of leagues. HAD WE BEEN GIVEN OUR SPL PLACE AT THE START OF THIS SEASON, NONE OF THIS UPHEAVAL/ARMAGEDDON WOULD HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.

    “The principle of promotion and relegation for the clubs which fall into these categories at the end of this season should be enshrined in any new league set up. So, if, as widely predicted, we end up with a 12-12-18 set up, THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN BEFORE 2014/2015, SEVCO should be promoted and this promotion should be to the middle tier OF THE CURRENT SFL, (I.E. DIV 2)

    “There is already a precedent for this situation, established by the SFL at the end of the 1993-94 season when Stranraer, winners of the lowest of three divisions, were promoted to the new second tier on the basis they were champions of their division and merited promotion. LIKE SPORTING INTEGRITY, PRECEDENTS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN SEVCO ARE THE POTENTIAL BENEFICIARIES OF SAID PRECEDENTS. HOWEVER THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PRECEDENTS THAT SHOULD BE IGNORED, (E.G. WHEN PLAYERS ARE NOT PROPERLY REGISTERED)

    “Indeed, recently the chairman of Stranraer FC, (WHO HAS ALSO MADE CALLS FOR PUBS TO SHUT BETWEEN 2-5PM ON SATURDAYS!) referred to the matter and supported the prospect of Rangers being promoted in the event of a 12-12-18 outcome.

    There has been no shortage of voices banging on about sporting integrity over the last year but sporting integrity must cut both ways. EXCEPT OF COURSE WHEN IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO SEVCO’S INTERESTS. Should that be observed during reconstruction discussions then significant benefits would delivered, particularly to clubs in the middle tier who have yet to reap any financial benefit from SEVCO playing in lower divisions. EXCEPT OF COURSE FOR THE 7 CLUBS WHO WILL EFFECTIVELY BE RELEGATED TO THE BOTTOM TIER.

    “As we have seen recently many clubs are struggling and the likes of Dunfermline would be given a much-needed financial boost by SEVCO playing in their division. ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY THEIR PLIGHT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN NEARLY AS SERIOUS HAD CHEATS FC BEEN THROUGH A PROPER ADMINISTRATION AND FOLDED PRIOR TO THE SEASONS END.

    “Clubs in Division 3 are already EXPERIENCING a season where their home matches against SEVCO are generating LET ME THINK OF A NUMBER…………10 times the revenue they would expect from any other home game. ALL THIS EXTRA REVENUE AVAILABLE AND ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PUT UP WITH THE SECTARIAN BEHAVIOUR OF OUR GLORIOUS FANS AND HAVE A DEFENDER SENT OFF WHILE CONCEDING A DUBIOUS PENALTY.

    In the exceptional case of Queen’s Park, their home matches against us at Hampden will generate several seasons’ worth of gate receipts, ALBEIT THE SECTARIAN SINGING WAS ESPECIALLY LOUD AT THIS VENUE, BUT A SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR A BUMPER PAYDAY.

    “We are genuinely AGGRIEVED to HAVE TO have done our bit to assist these clubs financially ESPECIALLY AS THEY VOTED US INTO THE BOTTOM TIER and have been warmly welcome by SOME SFL clubs OFFICIALLS EVEN THOUGH THEIR FANS HAVE BEEN LESS WELCOMING BY REFUSING TO BELIEVE THE FAIRYTALE THAT WE ARE THE SAME CLUB. FORTUNATELY SOME OF THE OFFENDERS HAVE BEEN CHASTISED BY THEIR CLUBS FOR THEIR ANTI-SEVCO STANCE.

    We would like to continue helping OURSELVES TO ALL THE RICHES the game in Scotland HAS TO OFFER and that’s why I am proposing that a SEVCO’ Colts team be admitted to the SFL, and I hope OUR ENEMIES Celtic would also consider doing the same, OR THEY WILL BE BOYCOTTED AND FEEL THE WRATH OF THE MSM FOR THE LIKELY ONGOING ARMAGEDDON WHICH WILL BE ENTIRLEY CELTIC’S FAULT.

    “The SFL has shown NO real leadership in proposing this initiative although it should be pointed out that this was not the result of lobbying from this Club. THERE WAS NO NEED AS MR LONGMUIR IS WELL ONSIDE AND ONLY TOO AWARE OF HIS DUTIES TOWARDS THE RISE OF SEVCO.

    This is an SFL initiative and is genuinely practical in that it would result in bringing much needed additional income to the game. I AM NOT YET ABLE TO SAY HOW MUCH AND WHERE THIS INCOME IS COMING FROM, BUT WILL REVEAL ON THE DAY THAT THE SFA PUBLISH THE 5-WAY AGREEMENT.

    “My rationale is that when SEVCO are promoted, the lowest league will return to where it was in terms of revenue generation. A Rangers Colts team WHO WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FINANCE, would add value to the league and other clubs would see their home gates enhanced significantly by SEVCO’S DELLUSIONAL fans, particularly those who lived locally.

    “I would also be prepared to guarantee other clubs the ticket revenue equivalent of 300 Rangers fans turning up for matches. I DOUBT THAT THE AUTHORITIES WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BRIBE AS THEY HAVE RUBBER STAMPED ALL OTHER INITIATIVES FROM IBROX DESIGNED TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE CHEATING OUR WAY TO TITLES AND CUPS WHICH WAS OF COURSE THE OLD CLUBS M O.

    “This initiative would help smaller clubs who have no choice but to generate revenue any way that they can, WITHIN THE RULES OF COURSE WHICH APPLY FULLY TO THESE DIDDY TEAMS. I should point out that such a proposal would often double the gate at in the lowest division. In fact, such a scheme would have virtually doubled the attendance at the weekend at one Division 1 fixture. OR SO I WAS TOLD BY A STATISTICIAN BY THE NAME OF MR WALTER MITTY

    “If the 12-12-18 structure is to be the chosen one then I would propose that two additional teams, one a Rangers Colts team, are added to the lowest league. THE NINE TEAMS REMAINING AFTER OUR PROMOTION WILL HAVE TO DRAW STRAWS AND THE 2 SHORTEST STRAWS WILL BE THROWN OUT OF SENIOR FOOTBALL. AGAIN THIS IS A SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF ARMAGEDDON.

    Of course, as chief executive of SEVCO, I have a duty to pursue the interests of THE INVESTORS IN this club. I have talked openly in the past about exploring other playing environments and change may well happen at some time in the future but no-one knows when. SUPPORTERS MUST BE AWARE HOWEVER THAT SHOULD WE BE OFFERED A PLACE IN THE ENGLISH LEAGUE SET UP, IT WILL TAKE US MANY YEARS TO GET OUR PEOPLE INTO THE RELEVANT POSITIONS OF POWER, BEFORE WE CAN GUARANTEE OUR INEVITABLE RISE TO THE STATUS OF GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD.

    “As things stand, we all have a duty to do the best for SEVCO, the game as well as OTHER clubs CAN GTF and that is why I think these proposals would be good for SEVCO AND THEIR LOYAL SUPPORTERS AT THE HEAD OF Scottish football. All I ask is that these proposals are discussed and considered in a fair and balanced manner.” THIS MUST BE DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, VIA A SHOW OF HANDS, (IF THERE ARE DISSENTIONS, WE MUST KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE) IN A LODGE STILL TO BE ANNOUNCED. SELECTED MEMBERS OF THE MSM, WHO ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE LODGE WILL BE INVITED TO ATTEND.
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    Superb submission Auldheid.

    It will be interesting to see what the response will be.
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    So Charlie Green…wants a quicker promotion to the top division…I can understand why?

    However what gives him or anyone else the right to believe that winning the SFL 3 allows a double promotion?

    If he can or anyone can justify a double jump from the 4th tier to the 2nd as a reward for winning promotion then I’m all ears!
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    A post by Mr COYR83 over on AberdeenMad, regarding Mr Green’s offering of cash incentives …

    Mr Green:
    “A Rangers Colts team would add value to the league and other clubs would see their home gates enhanced significantly. I would also be prepared to guarantee other clubs the ticket revenue equivalent of 300 Rangers fans turning up.”

    —
    CORY83:

    The Bribery Act 2010, specifies a number of offences.

    Haven’t had the opportunity to look at Greener’s exact wording yet, but he is verging on committing an offence here ( as may those who agree to accept the payment).

    Two of the general offences are –

    the offering, promising or giving of an advantage, (this includes a financial advantage where it is intended to bring about an improper performance by another person of a relevant function ( something like voting for a particular format of league reconstruction for example !) activity or to reward such proper imperformance)

    and

    the requesting, agreeing to receive or accepting of an advantage (covers a person who requests, agrees to receive or accepts a financial or other advantage linked to the improper performance of a relevant function or activity )

    An “Improper performance” is defined as meaning a performance which amounts to a breach of an expectation that a person will act in good faith, impartially, or in accordance with a position of trust. The test used is what a reasonable person in the UK would expect of a person performing the relevant function or activity.

    Does Green, by offering/guaranteeing the lowest league teams a minimum income when playing against his Colt Team fall into that category.

    Does this offer/guarantee of extra income ( financial reward), influence those clubs who would no doubt benefit greatly when Sevco juniors arrive and those other clubs, who would be in the third tier (as per his suggestions for a 12 12 10 10 format – although he really wants a 14 14 14 format), in that they would play Sevco seniors a year earlier then expected.

    Would the chairmen of all these clubs then be able to carry out their relevant function impartially or do they then fall into the improper function category when voting on reconstruction ?

    Do the chairmen then find themselves facing potential charges by agreeing to accept or accepting such payments ?

    The entire suggestion and guarantee of income (all to suit Sevco Senior team) is in my opinion nothing short of a bribe.
    —
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    OT…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/18/times-duped-hoax-qatar-dream-football-story
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    Mr Green:
    “A Rangers Colts team would add value to the league and other clubs would see their home gates enhanced significantly. I would also be prepared to guarantee other clubs the ticket revenue equivalent of 300 Rangers fans turning up.”
    …………………………………………..

    “guarantee other clubs”?….In return for what?

    This financial inducement being offered suggests it is being made in return for allowing a colts team to enter the professional structure of Scottish football…ahead of any other club who may meet all the criteria and deserve entry on their own qulifying merits!

    Is it a bribe?…it sure looks like one!
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    When is the contemptuous behaviour of Charles Green going to be challenged by our football authorities? This double talking shyster clearly believes he can say and do as he pleases with absolutely no comeback.Of course those of us who see through the sleight of mouth know he is playing the fans of Sevco like a fiddle.He will go the same way as Nero.
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    Let’s do some arithmetic and convert hindsight into foresight and future knowledge into present insight.

    First the arithmetic.

    If you add up all the things that should have happenend to RFC(IL)

    since February 14th 2012, – under the laws of the game, and the law of the land,

    then in foresight you get the impossible

    and, now, in hindsight , you get the unbelievable.

    Using the same formula,

    If you add up the losses, the overheads and all the obstacles and challenges that face Sevco in the forseeable future

    Then once again, in foresight, you get the impossible.

    Now add to the equation the same kind of repeated ‘off the hook’ help from the Scottish Establishment –

    i.e. Judges, lawyers, banks, police, politicians, SFA SPL SFL and Tom Cobbley and all,

    and then fast forward to future hindsight,

    what you get is the same sum total –

    the unbelievable.

    So, while it is our interest and pleasure to study the present and to project into the future,

    we have already witnessed in the past 14 months both the impossible and the unbelievable happen to RFC(IL)/Sevco.

    Which leads to the sobering thought that in 14 months time,

    we may all be staring at Sevco, alive and well,

    and wondering how it could have happened.

    And what we could have done to stop it.
    .

    The ST’s ?

    Everyone has to do that sum for themselves, but done in sufficient numbers,

    then the effect, as we all know, is incalculable

    .
    Till then, it’s back to the future,

    – with hindsight, of course.

    .
    Here, boy. . . .
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    angus1983 says:

    Re Bribery Act possible offences.

    Sorry, Strathclyde Polis are busy kettling teenagers and looking into who leaked the RTC material. Priorities, priorities…
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    Araminta Moonbeam QC says:

    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 17:19
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You forgot about the ongoing investigation into the takeover by the MBB as well. 🙂
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    parmahamster says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 17:30

    Oh aye, that must be keeping them awfy busy.
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    . myohmy1 says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 17:14
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    When is the contemptuous behaviour of Charles Green going to be challenged by our football authorities? This double talking shyster clearly believes he can say and do as he pleases with absolutely no comeback.Of course those of us who see through the sleight of mouth know he is playing the fans of Sevco like a fiddle.He will go the same way as Nero.
    _______________________________________

    CG talking in OZ to T`Rangers fans

    During the summer I was told by other Chairmen that they had no choice to vote us down as their own fans were refusing to buy season tickets – I even offered to pay for the 3,000 season tickets that one club normally sells. They told me they could’t do it as there were fans protesting outside their stadium

    _________
    the answer is they will do nothing as they have done for the last 6 months of his b ollox
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    Bad news.

    http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/27225/notices/28/
59. 
    

    I’m not quite getting what’s different in the RFC v DAFC situations.

    Both clubs owed an amount of cash to HMRC. HMRC have been granted a WUO for DAFC.

    How did RFC escape this? By going into administration voluntarily?

    And, if so, why didn’t DAFC pull the same stunt?
60. 
    

    Does anyone know where there might be a list anywhere on the internet that gives a list of players transferred, along with dates, from other Scottish clubs to Rangers during the David Murray years?
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    Re CGs latest moonbeam ,IMO it smacks of desperation .
    Now that the SFA s expert witness has ensured the tainted titles stay with ragers 1872 ,CG has no grievance left to keep the sevco fans hooked ,add to this his statement that he will ban the bigots and their pals if they don’t report them and it would seem a few of the Sevconians are coming out of their trance ( reported home crowds of 46,000 + , pre ban the bigots statement ,first post statement home crowd 34,000 apparently )
    He needs to raise next terms ST prices significantly IMO and the team performances are not helping one little bit .
    And when he reneges on the £10m war chest then the brown stuff will well and truly hit the (sevco) fan.
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    TW
    may I suggest a wee close look at Barry Fergusen to Blackburn and back ,Boumsong to Newcastle and Andy Webster from Hearts to Wigan (JJB) and on to ragers 1872
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    Carl31 (@C4rl31) says:

    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 16:23

    OT…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/mar/18/times-duped-hoax-qatar-dream-football-story
    ______________

    Surely the fact that the original story failed to mention that TRFC had been approached to join the giants of world football in the Dream League should have been enough to alert the Times to the hoax.
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    angus1983 says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 17:50
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    I’m not quite getting what’s different in the RFC v DAFC situations.

    Both clubs owed an amount of cash to HMRC. HMRC have been granted a WUO for DAFC.

    How did RFC escape this? By going into administration voluntarily?

    And, if so, why didn’t DAFC pull the same stunt?

    ======

    I always assumed that HMRC didn’t apply for a WUP in the case of RFC as they were waiting on the FTT decision
65. 
    

    TW
    try soccerbase .com click on rangers and there should be a link to transfers with archive deals
66. 
    

    i think that the chances of sevco getting through next season and not being in the spl are nil, but even if they got into the spl their chances are slim

    will the sfa refuse them a national club license next year?
67. 
    

    Breaking News 19th March 2083

    Charles Greenback has just announced that the mighty Morphing Glasgow Wrong Gers are right on schedule to begin the 2084 season in the Inter-Galactic Super League.(I.G.S.L)

    The all singing and dancing record breaking Scottish team wish to reach for the stars and participate in the greatest league ever . The Morphing ‘Magnificents’ see their future competing with simply the best teams in the Universe.

    There is a problem, however, as the Klingon Football Confederation,( K.F.C) have voiced concerns as to the legitimacy of the Morph Gers application. The Galactic league bosses have embarked on talks with Scottish Football Confederation supremos, Raygun and Doomraker, and, thus far , conversations have been described by the I.G.S.L as less than constructive . Mr Greenstreet and Mr Doomraker , however , considered the discussion to be highly productive and refuted the notion that to play in Space would result in Morph Armageddon .Mr Greenpaper ,a man given to blunt statements was of the view that he had not gone interstellar to win friends and influence people. ‘The Wrong Gers have gone into Space to win!’ said a defiant Mr Greenback. He brusquely told a Martian journalist, ‘No-one likes us and we don’t care.. even in a black hole!’

    Charles Greed, who has already promised the Morph fans cut price tickets to infinity and beyond sees no problem whatsoever in having his Morph Super Dooper team enter the I.G.S.L. He told the press gathering that travel arrangements for the loyal Morphs are nearing completion.

    A previous Morph supremo, to be accurate a former supremo of a club similar to the Morphs but now long extinct , had instigated grand designs for a rocket launchpad in the G51 area of Glasgow, and it transpires that Minty Morphbeams the head honcho of that particular Gers vintage arranged and secured 1000 year planning permission for Govan Canaveral.

    Alternatively for those high-income Morphs (H.I.M.S), the ultimate in tele-transport facilities will be available. The other fan grouping, The Highly Unemployable Neurologically-challenged Supporters ( we would prefer to decline the insertion of an acronym for this set of fans) will have provision to watch inter-galactic games on the biggest screen in the United Kingdom, in central Manchester.

    These plans are now set to become reality, and in the mere twinkling of a galaxy, your average Morph-Ger will be heading for Nirvana,( a team currently placed mid- table in the league to end all leagues but not seen by the Morph manager , Ian Denial as being a threat)
    To boldly go to Govan and beyond! Beam us up!

    Into space you Mighty Morphs….or is that Smurfs? Colts? Space Colts? ………………………….
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    barcabhoy says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 11:19
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    Of all the crass comments made by Charles Green …

    Rangers will lose more money than the combined total of all Scottish Clubs who post a loss for the year ending 30/6/13.

    Armaggedon ? Yes .

    However only for Rangers
    —————-

    Funnily enough, dear old Frank McAvennie asked if Craig Whyte still owned Murray Park and Ibrox on SSB yesterday. The panelists were convinced that CG ‘s organisation owned these properties and Frank was told to ‘shut up’ by HK. So that’s that question settled!

    I was wondering who told Frank that this was the case or if he was just repeating rumours he’d heard ‘aboot the deeds’.

    It’s at 37.30 in on the podcast.
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    dreddybhoy says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 18:11

    will the sfa refuse them a national club license next year?
    ============================

    I think we all know the answer to that one. Having gone that extra mile last summer to keep a “Rangers” in senior football, the SFA are hardly going to be picky about issuing a licence now- whatever the rules say. I would say that there’s more chance of hell freezing over than the SFA refusing TRFC a licence (or just about anything else they might ask for, for that matter). Green says jump, Regan asks how high. That’s Scottish football in a nutshell.
70. 
    

    Superscoreboard it is like a closed shop and any Celtic or other supporter who says anything gets cut off. They are desperate to get Sevco back into the top tier, its no going to happen.
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    angus1983 says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 17:50
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    I’m not quite getting what’s different in the RFC v DAFC situations.

    Both clubs owed an amount of cash to HMRC. HMRC have been granted a WUO for DAFC.

    How did RFC escape this? By going into administration voluntarily?

    And, if so, why didn’t DAFC pull the same stunt?

    ————

    Angus, I was listening to Graham Watson from the Pars Steering Group answer this. Among other things he said that the club had no assets, therefore there was nothing to pay creditors with. GM’s companies own the stadium which has the £12m interest-free loan attached to it (no payback necessary until 2043, and then, still without interest!!). Looks like another ‘is it a club or is it a company?’ question 🙂 In this case though, it’s the club that looks doomed (scratches head). He also said that GM was now willing to sell 100% of his shares to the group for £500,000. And to think Craig Whyte only got two quid for his! Problem seems to be that the £500,000 does not include the stadium.
72. 
    

    http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/aberdeen/218267-celtic-and-rangers-colts-not-part-of-draft-league-reconstruction-plans/

    Notice that it is all STV understands
    ———————————

    A proposal to add Celtic and Rangers colt sides to Scottish senior football will not form part of final plans for league reconstruction, STV understands.

    It is understood no mention was made of the idea at a meeting of representatives from the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League at Hampden on Tuesday.

    Members of both league bodies met to discuss the finer detail of a final proposal to put to clubs. It is understood the document will instead call for a vote on a 12-12-18 league structure, incorporating all 42 current league sides.

    SFL chief executive David Longmuir’s proposal to push for a 12-12-10-10 setup, with the inclusion of the reserve sides in the bottom tier, was met with resistance by a number of SFL clubs when it was suggested last week and was not on the table at the Hampden meeting.

    Calls from Rangers chief executive Charles Green for his side to be promoted to the second tier of the new structure, on account of being potential Third Division champions this season, are also understood to have not been heard and not referenced in the plan.

    Still in draft form with conversations still to be held on its final form, SPL clubs will vote on the proposal on April 15.

    No date has been set for the vote of SFL teams. STV understands it will also be held in April.
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    neepheid says:

    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 18:23

    dreddybhoy says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 18:11

    will the sfa refuse them a national club license next year?
    ============================

    I think we all know the answer to that one. Having gone that extra mile last summer to keep a “Rangers” in senior football, the SFA are hardly going to be picky about issuing a licence now- whatever the rules say. I would say that there’s more chance of hell freezing over than the SFA refusing TRFC a licence (or just about anything else they might ask for, for that matter). Green says jump, Regan asks how high. That’s Scottish football in a nutshell.
    ==========================

    You are probably correct but what if they go to the wall? I want Rangers supporters to know that the SFA are not looking after their interests in NOT applying rules designed to protect them as well as supporters of every other club.

    The noises coming from Ibrox and information in the Interim results more than suggest The Rangers will struggle to survive beyond next season without cost cutting and ticket prices rising.

    The Rangers survival depends on a belief that not only is further administration not a possibility but that they will be in the market for better players (who will at least cost the same) and club licensing will tell the SFA if the business model being pursued by The Rangers is sensible and sustainable.

    They probably will issue a licence but to protect themselves, if they have any sense, the SFA will make it conditional on balancing the books.

    Interestingly they will be publishing some of the information provided to them by The Rangers and their supporters will at least get some idea of their clubs financial standing.
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    jonnyod says:
    Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at 18:10

    try soccerbase .com click on rangers and there should be a link to transfers with archive deals
    ————————————–
    Great stuff, thank you
75. 
    

    If it’s £3.5M for a team with no vote, how much are votes going to cost? He’d be better paying the tax,

    if he is indeed suggesting bribery to go with the corruption. Ahem.

    ( covered bases there, someone posted a thing about libel, got to laugh, outrage at the gagging of the press, and they ignore this ? )

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