As we all know, this site emerged from the ashes of RTC. The wish of the original administrator of the site, one which I wholeheartedly share, was to keep together the wonderful community RTC had built, in terms of both personnel and spirit. There are still many individuals around who were also part of RTC, and regrettably many who are no longer with us. The RTC spirit however, that of a cross-party football site where issues can be discussed in a respectful and insightful manner remains. The “wisdom of the crowd” phenomenon is also with us to perhaps an even greater extent than before, and consequently SFM’s credentials as a formidable alternative to the print media have grown.
In recent times, many contributors have expressed frustration that we are pretty much a talking shop and little else; characterised as “a lot of gum bashing and no teeth”. I think that is fair comment up to a point, but then again our aim – up to now – has been to simply present an alternative view – a view that has increasingly become the fan view as opposed to the industry view (the industry being made up of club officials, players, and press).
In fact the way I see it personally, SFM has evolved to a point where it has become the watchdog (monitor if you will) of an industry which is subject to very little oversight. The Rangers situation will eventually be done with (no laughing at the back please), and like everything else will be consigned to history (albeit more than one). The same self-interest and lack of regard for sporting integrity though will still remain, and the need for oversight will remain also.
Having arrived at those conclusions, we have two alternatives; the first is to remain as we are (which is not a bad place to be), and the second is that SFM has to expand its role.
In recent weeks, the mods have met to discuss this, and we think that we ought to give the latter option a try. As to how we want to achieve that, and we have come up with a skeleton plan as follows;
1. We need to move into the area of gathering news content as well as commenting on what appears elsewhere;
2. We should act as a cross-club portal to get good fan site content from all clubs to a wider audience;
3. We need to highlight the positives in the game as well as the negatives;
4. We should become an actively campaigning body, aligning with fan groups to lobby for the changes we think important.
In order to achieve these objectives, more time will need to be spent on communication like podcasts, adding news content, expanding membership and building links with other fan groups. Time will also need to be spent setting up features, attending press conferences etc. Later in the year, one of the mods will have much more time on his hands to help achieve this.
Podcasts, premium content, labour, organisation and all of the above costs money, and ultimately a subscription based model backed by sponsorship seems to be our best way of achieving that. In order to give us a head start, we will in the next few months be putting together a business-plan and a pitch for Crowd Funding investment.
This is not to say that our existing model has been a failure. We have successfully managed to keep ourselves afloat through the ad-hoc generosity of people in our community, although the inability to keep the podcasts going has been a bit frustrating. Finding income streams which are more solid will allow us to respond to events more quickly (for example mounting an ad campaign to respond to some event or other, or buying new equipment), and hopefully achieve all of our objectives – and build a bigger audience base for our message.
Of course a move of this nature will require that, in the interests of transparency, anonymity of SFM will have to be set aside. That will not affect any of our contributors, and our practice of using (sometimes) imaginative names on the blog will remain. However, for crowd funding to be successful, we will require to have a board in place, and there is no hiding place from Companies House. The make up of the board is also crucial, and in addition to consideration of blog members for that role, we will be looking to have respected people from without.
I imagine there may be a consequent subtle effect on moderation policy to take into account.
The reason I have made this post is to keep the community up to speed with events. Although we have decided to move forward to see if we can get support for our business plan, that plan is by no means finished. As I said earlier, the “wisdom of crowds” has made our community unique and given it its credibility. There’s a lot more wisdom out there we hope to tap into before we go ahead with our initiative.
We already had someone in mind for chairman of the new board, but events have conspired tragically to rob us of that – and had the effect of postponing this announcement. However we would like to hear suggestions for suitable outside candidates for board and committee places.
We also want to hear from you if you have a suggestion to be added to our wish list of SFM function above – or even if you think it is a mistake to embark on this course.
This is a very big move for SFM, so we don’t want to rush into anything. We need to listen to what you folks have to say, because if the merging SFM is not considered a better SFM by our community there is very little point in looking to fund it.
Well well, I talked this one up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33149788
Alex Neil signs off the radar (undisclosed, in English) new contract deal with Norwich City.
I’m confused. OK, don’t all shout “what’s new”, but this doesn’t seem right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33151538
The headline screams
“Rangers shareholders back board over Sports Direct loan”
So is that a different loan to the one from MASH that we haven’t heard about, or were the fanzine writers so desperate to write more gushing positive spin about their “club” that they forgot to check basic facts?
:slamb: :slamb: :slamb: and for good measure, a side order of :slamb:
andygraham.66 says:
Member: (264 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 12:23 pm
From that ibrox noise article
The 52-year old is here for the long haul, and there is yet to be a negative word said about his abilities; a very valid comparison is Alex Neil, Norwich’s outstanding boss. Neil got Accies promoted, then moved to Norwich and got them into the English Premier League at the first time of asking. A very similar kind of path to Warburton.
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Letter to the editor
Dear Sir
I’d like to point out that joining Norwich City can in no way be even remotely described as being “a very similar kind of path” to joining The Rangers FC.
(insert multiple (possibly a world record number) irate/raging emoticon thingies)
Yours etc
Mr Very Fecked Off of NR1
GoosyGoosy says:
Member: (414 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 11:34 am
It appears news about Celtic FC has vanished from the MSM
Can`t be anything negative worth reporting
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Welcome to the world of the diddy clubs. You are still one up on us though, cos the rest of us don’t tend to even bother looking for coverage of our clubs by the MSM.
To be honest, I thought it was a reasonable article. The guy writes fairly well without resorting to overinflated expectations, or where they deserve to be or rightful place and such like.
The comments following it seem fairly level headed as well. Compared to some of the absolute nonsense that normally gets spouted on Rangers blogs, I think that’s actually one of the more realistic contributions out there!
Besides, all the guy is really saying is ‘We were nowhere near ready for the SPL, and would have been found out big style’ – pretty much what’s been said on here for the past 9 months or so!
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (467 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33151538
The headline screams
“Rangers shareholders back board over Sports Direct loan”
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Remember this is the loan that had Llambias and Leach under investigation by the New Regime for crimes against the people – now officially endorsed by the shareholders – as advised by the board – what can be the explanation be for not wanting to regain control of Murray Park, Edmiston House, Albion Car Park, the trademarks, the restriction on borrowing against Ibrox and 26% of merchandise profits?
There is only one explanation. The simple fact is that Dave “first out the taxi, last to the bar” King does not want to spend his money on The Rangers. When will the fans begin to understand that?
It seems clear from the vote that DCK does not have the overwhelming support of fellow shareholders.
In fact as it is obvious to assume he used his percentage to vote along the lines he advised others to, then it could be considered a huge kick in the hawmaws.
Deduct his own personal chunk, and it is a very different story.
AmFearLiathMòr says:
Member: (62 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Besides, all the guy is really saying is ‘We were nowhere near ready for the SPL, and would have been found out big style’ – pretty much what’s been said on here for the past 9 months or so!
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No award at my ceremony for post event rationalization. Did he say anything similar before they got hammered? Would he be saying this now if it was 1-6 and not 6-1?
It seems the EGM did not even discuss or vote on Ashley’s questions about delisting and the conditions of the 3B loans. Do they really think they have beaten Ashley and that he will go quietly away? If so they are deluded. Failure to address his questions gives him additional ammunition in court. t
The next few days will be interesting. Ashley has the ball in his court and his tanks on the lawn.
mcfc says:
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June 16, 2015 at 1:56 pm
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (467 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33151538
The headline screams
“Rangers shareholders back board over Sports Direct loan”
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Remember this is the loan that had Llambias and Leach under investigation by the New Regime for crimes against the people – now officially endorsed by the shareholders – as advised by the board – what can be the explanation be for not wanting to regain control of Murray Park, Edmiston House, Albion Car Park, the trademarks, the restriction on borrowing against Ibrox and 26% of merchandise profits?
There is only one explanation. The simple fact is that Dave “first out the taxi, last to the bar” King does not want to spend his money on The Rangers. When will the fans begin to understand that?
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I think I can see where I went wrong.
The £5M loan from SportsDirect.com (a trading brand of Sports Direct International PLC) was used to pay off the original 2014 loans of £3M (£2M+£1M) from MASH, with the remaining £2M used to keep the lights on in January 2015.
I got my MASH as the shareholder requisitioning the meeting confused with my MASH as the former bank (sorry short-term lender). 😳
I suppose I owe the fanzine writer an apology . So, here goes.
Sorry, Mr BBC fanzine writer for doubting your journalistic abilities on this single occasion that you were actually right. Next time I see you, I will buy you a lamb dinner as recompense. 😳
Fisiani says:
Member: (33 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 2:11 pm
It seems the EGM did not even discuss or vote on Ashley’s questions about delisting and the conditions of the 3B loans. Do they really think they have beaten Ashley and that he will go quietly away? If so they are deluded. Failure to address his questions gives him additional ammunition in court. t
The next few days will be interesting. Ashley has the ball in his court and his tanks on the lawn.
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Placing those items on the agenda gave the directors an opportunity to make minuted statements in a formal company meeting in their capacity as directors. The fact that they didn’t take that opportunity may well strengthen MA’s hand.
As shown in the English courtroom last week, the word of anyone associated with the RIFC PLC group is not sufficient to convince the judiciary (in England and Wales, anyway).
So I suppose that if, for example, MA opts to sue for losses incurred by the delisting or SD.com seeks to ringfence funds to cover the loan, the court may be more willing to side against the RIFC PLC group (in England and Wales, at least).
Who says targeted advertising doesn’t work?
This site is advertising “Debt write off experts” – it couldn’t possibly be
Could it? “Drowning not waving” – no really…
And hair loss remedy – presumably after having pulled it out in clumps with frustration over the endless saga that is Scottish Fitba??
Not very keen on the site going commercial, but at least it’s kinda funny :irony:
Big Pink says:
Moderator: (288 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 11:00 am
As targeted ads go, I’m not sure how successful the big drive to sell fork lift trucks is gonna be 🙂
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I’m reliably informed that they are very effective at moving warchests.
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug · 24m24 minutes ago
Former Motherwell director Stewart Robertson is the new MD at #Rangers. He’ll take over day to day running of the club.
Too many chiefs and not enough indians at the moment?
Is Sarver making a bid for a Spanish team? Blimey, another genuinely rich guy bypasses Ibrox!
Saw this on @STVGrant’s timeline:
easyJambo says:
Member: (654 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 3:11 pm
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug · 24m24 minutes ago
Former Motherwell director Stewart Robertson is the new MD at #Rangers. He’ll take over day to day running of the club.
Too many chiefs and not enough indians at the moment?
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Is that MD of RIFC PLC, TRFC Ltd, or the ethereal floaty eternal non-incorporated “club” thingy?
Or both companies?
Having had a quick glance at the tosh on the BBC through one of the above links, I was just a little mystified that either sevco 2012 or the BBC could arrive at 62.5% for, and 53.64% against. Whose New accounting methods are we using here. DCK’s perhaps!
Has he still not settled that SA aviation fuel bill yet?
It’s probably been mentioned several times already, but it’s worth repeating: Warbuton is toast ! 😉
He will, IMO, have to prove to be a truly gifted manager, a la Mourinho at Porto, to keep the bears happy, and win trophies.
How much time will he get to turn the shipwreck around ? One season ?
As ever, Ibrox will take care of itself, and the signs don’t seem to be anymore encouraging for the medium term.
And swiftly moving on to our brand new, “unconflicted, able to do his job” SFA President…has anyone seen him ?
Thought he might come out to say some soothing words to the Scottish fans that the SFA was going to improve…or is he now playing dominoes with Regan in the bunker ?
I think we should be told.
Well fancy that!
The BBC has gone to the trouble of finding out just how great Stewart Robertson is!
@BBCchrismclaug
Spoken to a few people of note within Scottish football who believe that Stewart Robertson is a great get for #Rangers. Big challenges ahead
smartie1947 says:
Member: (31 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 2:31 pm
If Jose Mourinho had appeared yesterday and brought with him his entire first-team squad, together with Abramovich’s billions, he could not have achieved a more positive reception from the SMSM than Warburton. Then again he would not necessarily have brought a Real Rangers Man in tow.
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The Special One meets the SMSM at Ibrox.
Wow!
The analysis of the psychology of that combination would fill a few books and would give the Murray/Advocaat/Traynor era a run for other people’s money.
Surprised at your response ej – I’ll resist the temptation to venture into OCNC territory or the potential impact of the Article 12 case, but this is surely as straightforward as it’s been since they started in 2012. It’s been a good few days of apparently normal business. The appointment of the team manager and the CEO should have been sorted out long ago – following the Budge model. Then sort out the squad.
That doesn’t clear up the murkiness about company structure and inter-related debt nor who and how it’s all going to be paid for, of course. And then there’s the onerous contracts, loans and trademarks to deal with.
BBC
Stewart Robertson, who was previously on the board at Motherwell, has become managing director at Rangers.
The former chartered accountant will be in charge of the day-to-day running of the Scottish Championship club.
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How does a chartered accountant become a former chartered accountant?
Is there some secret ritual only the BBC know about?
The reaction to the EGM predictable result, is, very predictable, though predictably jingoistic, but seems, to me, to show a distinct lack of understanding of what has actually happened.
Ignoring the nonsense that suggests that King’s men have won a victory, or actually achieved anything, there remains the fact of just how narrow the vote went, and that 22% of shareholders didn’t vote. Now a few shareholding supporters might not be clued up enough to vote, but we can expect that this 22% is not made up of Rangers men (real or otherwise) as they would all, surely, vote, one way or another on a matter such as this.
We have no way of knowing how this 22% was made up, but they can’t be supporters of King, for he couldn’t afford to lose, while Ashley might very well have wanted to lose and so may well be amongst those non-voters. The board will know the identity of those who didn’t vote, but are very unlikely to spill the beans, but, as usual, SMSM don’t see fit to highlight this rather large proportion of non-voters, or, heaven forbid, ask the board if they can explain it! Even though I’m sure that in most companies this is not an unusual level of disinterest, RIFC is not like most companies.
It’s important, too, to note the large number of shareholders who backed Ashley. Some will undoubtedly have been supporters of a more realistic nature, aware that there can be no good reason for not paying back the loan (if you don’t consider ‘can’t afford it’ as a good reason) and realising that getting back the IP etc is more important than showing the lender that no one messes with their club!
At best, for RIFC, there’s 22% of their shareholders who don’t care enough for the ‘club’ to vote on something so important to the club’s future, added to the large number who voted in favour of a ‘hostile’ motion. At worst, Mike Ashley might have ‘discouraged’ some of his sympathisers/mates from voting, in order to facilitate his plan – whatever that might be!
One thing’s for sure, Ashley has, at least, 25% of shareholders onside! Usually happens with someone as powerful as he is.
What Does Ashley Want?
So what is Ashley’s basic motivation these days? Where is he aiming to go from where he is today? Let’s look at the evidence:
1. He knows the details of all RIFC contracts – onerous, Ibrox-related, 5 Way Agreement (and side letters)
2. He’s seem the books – not just the public accounts
3. He knows the net worth of the three bears, King and other RRM likely to get involved (basic homework)
4. He knows how the New Regime wants to play the game since the March EGM: delisting, L&L investigation, personal attacks, untrustworthy, business fairyland
5. He knows the SFA/SPFL are not objective concerning The Rangers
6. He knows not to expect a fair crack of the whip from the MSM
7. He knows this is taking a lot of time for the money involved and attracting a lot of bad press – across the UK
8. He knows the identities of Margarita and Blue Pitch
So what might he have concluded?
1. The New Regime do not have what it takes to make The Rangers prosper – cash, investors, experience, skill, objectivity. The plan they pitched at Shirebrook was The Apprentice meets The Dragons on Buckie.
2. He (Ashley) cannot work constructively/profitably with the New Regime
3. He (Ashley) needs to take a step back – it’s a dud project – withdraw loan, sell shares (currently untradeable) – both via courts as necessary – work the legal plan – spend whatever it takes
4. Rangers Retail is unlikely to prosper and is also not saleable to RRM or anyone else – so just sit on it and take the money – it’s ticking over in the black.
5. RIFC will probably go into admin one way or another – so what – see where the pieces fall when it happens?
Just my uneducated guesses – I wait to be corrected by the rigorous investigations and research of the MSM
It seems that Robert Sarver has decided to invest in another club. He has put in an offer of €56M for Levante.
http://cadenaser.com/emisora/2015/06/16/radio_valencia/1434442886_310560.html
http://www.talkingbaws.com/2015/06/16/failed-rangers-bidder-robert-sarver-has-made-an-offer-to-buy-la-liga-side-levante/
I think you are being a little harsh on the guy. Try re-reading the opening paragraphs again. He doesn’t pull any punches about how much of a disaster it was not getting to the SPL and how bleak things looked for them in the aftermath.
We often deride a lot of the Rangers bloggers (deservedly, in most cases). I think he’s written a pretty straight article, although since I wrote my original post, I noticed there’s a couple of ‘We need 40/50 million invested this season, and then 40/50 million next season’ type comments been added to the bottom of it. Ah well, it was good while it lasted!
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Re the vote on Resolution 1
The total votes for was 29,376,675
The Easdale proxy was last notified as 11,301,276
Sandy Easdale had a personal holding of 5,256,110
James Easdale had a personal holding of 572,749
Mash Holdings itself had 7,265,000
If we assume all of the above voted for Resolution 1 then the total is 24,395,135, which means that 4,981,540 votes were acquired from other shareholders.
There aren’t very many shareholders with that number of shares, but it would suggest to me that one of the bigger shareholders, e.g. River & Mercantile, or even one of the three bears must have voted for Resolution 1.
On the other side, New Oasis, Taylor, Park, Letham, Prior, RF and RST would account for 30,870,792 of the 33,988,991 votes cast against.
Is £411 over investing for a Championship ST ?
What do other Championship clubs charge ?
Hello,
I’ve read on the site that RIFC might be considering a move from what used to be known as Murray Park to Glasgow High School’s grounds at Anniesland.
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned before, but there is massive work going on at the grounds right now, including the installation of a (very expensive) hybrid surface.
I’m sure it’s a coincidence.
So Sarver was the real deal and they dissed him out of town – ffs – what a shower of numpties.
One of the Aberdeen Fans forums has been sponsored for a long time by a firm of Accountants and Tax Experts. They have been quick to update their adverts to reflect certain goings on in Scottish football over the last few years.
For example the current Ad states “DELISTED / SUSPENDED. Formed a Newco and Expenditure STILL more than your income?”
– makes me chuckle every time
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (473 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm
I’m confused. OK, don’t all shout “what’s new”, but this doesn’t seem right.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33151538
The headline screams
“Rangers shareholders back board over Sports Direct loan”
So is that a different loan to the one from MASH that we haven’t heard about, or were the fanzine writers so desperate to write more gushing positive spin about their “club” that they forgot to check basic facts?
:slamb: :slamb: :slamb: and for good measure, a side order of :slamb:
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What did seem incorrect to me was the headline in the links to the article (not the headline in the page itself) which read:
“Rangers win vote against Ashley”
Crikey but thats wildly inaccurate on so many levels.
I’ve just listened to the first 25 minutes of Radio Clyde’s midweek summer programme. It is not a phone in show as such, but simply a host and a pundit, with the only phone in slot for fans to take part in a quiz which might eventually win them £5k. Here is a summary of what was spoken about in those 25 minutes, before I got so sickened I turned it off.
– The new Rangers MD is basically the real deal
– Mark Warburton is basically the real deal
– Ashley can forget getting his £5M back any time soon
In addition we had a clip of Dave King talking about when Rangers were the biggest club in Britain.
Mark Burchill was interviewed about Livingston’s signing ban being lifted and spent two thirds of the interview answering questions about (yes, you’ve guessed it) Rangers!
Heaven knows what it would have been like if they actually had a good team, a proven manager, and had gained promotion to the top league with a few bob in the bank. Instead they have a very poor team, a manager who is far from proven, failed to gain promotion, and are living on crisis loans. Yet everything is wonderful.
Bizarre, utterly bizarre.
GoosyGoosy says:
Member: (415 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 4:29 pm
BBC
Stewart Robertson, who was previously on the board at Motherwell, has become managing director at Rangers.
The former chartered accountant will be in charge of the day-to-day running of the Scottish Championship club.
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How does a chartered accountant become a former chartered accountant?
Is there some secret ritual only the BBC know about?
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Goosy…there are a few ways it can happen…most of them a tad unpleasant to the ego/reputation of the individual… 🙄
…and no, I do not speak from experience… 😈
Just some of the managers currently looking for work…..who from the list do we think might have been on their list, but failed the interview?
Nigel Adkins
Sam Allardyce
Fabio Capello
Lee Clark
Nigel Clough
Owen Coyle
Alan Curbishley
Billy Davies
Paolo Di Canio
Roberto Di Matteo
Sven Goran Eriksson
Paul Hart
Ian Holloway
Sami Hyypia
Paul Ince
Martin Jol
Dave Jones
Andries Jonker
Paul Lambert
Michael Laudrup
Malky Mackay
Stuart McCall
Ally McCoist
Brian McDermott
Gary Megson
Stuart Pearce
Vitor Pereira
Gus Poyet
Harry Redknapp
Neil Warnock
Nigel Worthington
Zinedine Zidane
Gianfranco Zola
to the mods – the twitter name on the radio blog page is incorrect @sfmonitor instead of @Thesfmonitor, good luck with the show! 😀
upthehoops says:
Member: (736 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm
I’ve just listened to the first 25 minutes of Radio Clyde’s midweek summer programme. It is not a phone in show as such, but simply a host and a pundit, with the only phone in slot for fans to take part in a quiz which might eventually win them £5k. Here is a summary of what was spoken about in those 25 minutes, before I got so sickened I turned it off.
– The new Rangers MD is basically the real deal
– Mark Warburton is basically the real deal
– Ashley can forget getting his £5M back any time soon
In addition we had a clip of Dave King talking about when Rangers were the biggest club in Britain.
Mark Burchill was interviewed about Livingston’s signing ban being lifted and spent two thirds of the interview answering questions about (yes, you’ve guessed it) Rangers!
Heaven knows what it would have been like if they actually had a good team, a proven manager, and had gained promotion to the top league with a few bob in the bank. Instead they have a very poor team, a manager who is far from proven, failed to gain promotion, and are living on crisis loans. Yet everything is wonderful.
Bizarre, utterly bizarre.
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It is very frustrating that when the scottish sports media do finally take the blue specs off to cover some sports news they simply look for every opportunity to bring everything back to their favourite club. Pathetic stuff and one of the reasons football fans from across scotland despise the sports media coverage and the club that is given all the limelight.
It feels like the media are all working to some script to ensure that Rangers cannot die if they make all sports coverage about Rangers 24/7.
What puzzles me is why haven’t other Scottish clubs wised up to this by now. If all Sports journalists are capable of is regurgitating PR releases then hire more/better PR and start playing Rangers at their own game?
Or at the very least get all the players and staff media trained and instruct all staff that the answer to any question about Rangers is always “I don’t want to comment about other clubs” or a simple “no comment”. Or for that matter “who cares? I work for not Rangers”.
My Dad used to tell the story of ‘The Joiner’ A man would join a group of men drinking in the pub, he would take round after round and would only offer to buy the last order.
At this point he would pick a fight with the barman and get slung out without being served.
Refusing mike’s reasonable request only makes sense if you eat to antagonise him.
LAST ORDERS GENNNELMEN!!!!!
mcfc says:
Member: (1397 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Just my uneducated guesses – I wait to be corrected by the rigorous investigations and research of the MSM
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You will end up looking like the great Robin Williams in Jumanaji before SMSM rigorously investigate anything in Govan.
Some reports i have read state that Warburton becomes first English manager of Rangers
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/warburton-becomes-first-english-manager-rangers-134120706–sow.html
Was Stuart Mcall not born in England?Are the SMSM stating warburton is the first English manager and ST Mc was not classed as a manager but a caretaker manager,so warburton IS THE FIRST ENGLISH MANAGER, And if that is what they are saying why is ST Mc on the list?
15 is the magic number..
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/fifteen-is-the-magic-number/
Now to make Warburton number 15 They place Stuart Mcall as 14th manager, yet put Kenny Mc Dowell as a Cartaker Manager.
Was kenny in charge of the team for longer than SMc?
What makes SMc a manager and KMc a cartaker manager,as ST Mc was only there until the end of the season.
If ST Mc can’t be classed as a manager,just a caretaker manager until the end of the season. Does that not make Warburton number 14.
(number 14,i know;-)
can anyone shed a bit of light?
Have the SMSM got it totally wrong?
1. William Wilton
2.Bill Struth
3.Scot Symon
4.David White
5.Willie Waddell
6.Jock Wallace
7.John Greig
8.Graham Souness
9.Walter Smith
10..Dick Advocate
11.Alex Mcleish
12.Paul Le Guen
13. Ally McCoist
14. Stuart Mcall.
Cluster One says:
Member: (186 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Some reports i have read state that Warburton becomes first English manager of Rangers
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/warburton-becomes-first-english-manager-rangers-134120706–sow.html
Was Stuart Mcall not born in England?Are the SMSM stating warburton is the first English manager and ST Mc was not classed as a manager but a caretaker manager,so warburton IS THE FIRST ENGLISH MANAGER, And if that is what they are saying why is ST Mc on the list?
15 is the magic number..
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/fifteen-is-the-magic-number/
Now to make Warburton number 15 They place Stuart Mcall as 14th manager, yet put Kenny Mc Dowell as a Cartaker Manager.
Was kenny in charge of the team for longer than SMc?
What makes SMc a manager and KMc a cartaker manager,as ST Mc was only there until the end of the season.
If ST Mc can’t be classed as a manager,just a caretaker manager until the end of the season. Does that not make Warburton number 14.
(number 14,i know;-)
can anyone shed a bit of light?
Have the SMSM got it totally wrong?
1. William Wilton
2.Bill Struth
3.Scot Symon
4.David White
5.Willie Waddell
6.Jock Wallace
7.John Greig
8.Graham Souness
9.Walter Smith
10..Dick Advocate
11.Alex Mcleish
12.Paul Le Guen
13. Ally McCoist
14. Stuart Mcall.
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Should the Cardigan of Dignity be in there twice?
1991-1998
2007-2011
If they can count two clubs as one, why not count one manager as two?
TheClumpany says:
June 16, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Well fancy that!
The BBC has gone to the trouble of finding out just how great Stewart Robertson is!
@BBCchrismclaug
Spoken to a few people of note within Scottish football who believe that Stewart Robertson is a great get for #Rangers. Big challenges ahead
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Good Evening.
I felt a further ‘tribute’ to our Sevco-fawning media was in order. Do feel free to have a look.
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/the-best-bleach-in-the-universe/
Enjoy the rest of the evening.
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (474 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Cluster One says:
Member: (186 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Some reports i have read state that Warburton becomes first English manager of Rangers
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/warburton-becomes-first-english-manager-rangers-134120706–sow.html
Was Stuart Mcall not born in England?Are the SMSM stating warburton is the first English manager and ST Mc was not classed as a manager but a caretaker manager,so warburton IS THE FIRST ENGLISH MANAGER, And if that is what they are saying why is ST Mc on the list?
15 is the magic number..
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/fifteen-is-the-magic-number/
Now to make Warburton number 15 They place Stuart Mcall as 14th manager, yet put Kenny Mc Dowell as a Cartaker Manager.
Was kenny in charge of the team for longer than SMc?
What makes SMc a manager and KMc a cartaker manager,as ST Mc was only there until the end of the season.
If ST Mc can’t be classed as a manager,just a caretaker manager until the end of the season. Does that not make Warburton number 14.
(number 14,i know;-)
can anyone shed a bit of light?
Have the SMSM got it totally wrong?
1. William Wilton
2.Bill Struth
3.Scot Symon
4.David White
5.Willie Waddell
6.Jock Wallace
7.John Greig
8.Graham Souness
9.Walter Smith
10..Dick Advocate
11.Alex Mcleish
12.Paul Le Guen
13. Ally McCoist
14. Stuart Mcall.
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Should the Cardigan of Dignity be in there twice?
1991-1998
2007-2011
If they can count two clubs as one, why not count one manager as two?
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Jock Wallace too?
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (474 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Should the Cardigan of Dignity be in there twice?
1991-1998
2007-2011
If they can count two clubs as one, why not count one manager as two?
That would make warburton 16th placed on the throne.
Have the SMSM got it totally wrong?
Thanks to blu for pointing out the discrepancy in the date/time:
The trial show tonight will begin at 19.30 UK Time – although there will be activity on the feed from around 7.15. In the main, we are testing some of the technical parameters of what is involved in putting a thing like this together. We will be doing our very best to be entertaining and informative and thought-provoking, but it’s just as likely that something will go disastrously wrong 🙂 So please bear with us.
Joining me for the fun will be Auldheid, Campbellsmoney and AlllyJambo (via our phone link).
You can access it if you are logged in and click on the “SFM Radio” menu item at the top of the page or at http://www.sfmonitor.org/sfmradio/.
Whilst the programme is on you can contact the studio via Twitter @thesfmonitor. I hope that some of you can announce yourself, even if you don’t want to make any particular point.
Up until now, I think the RIFC club have only had two managers:
13. Ally McCoist (unlucky for some)
14. Stuart McCall (unlucky for him)
So Warburton the III ?
Congratulations guys, good first show. Ran on a bit after you finished , just to let you know, incase any sweary words…..
If it’s the number of managers being counted then it doesn’t matter if they take charge ten times, it’d still be just one man who’d been in the managers position. But really, what value is this adding?
Missed the broadcast tonight, is there going to be a replay available?
RyanGosling @ 8.49 pm
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No, surely the salient point is the number of times any club is forced to fill its managerial post, for whatever reason?
RE RFC / TRFC managers, Wiki says this –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rangers_F.C._managers
PS I thought Scott Symon was sacked before he came to Thistle , no ?
Ryan
I believe so.
Red Lichtie managed it. Send him a mail if its not clear.
BTW mostly about non Rangers topics. Well to my mind.
The running-on was an enjoyable postscript, sweaty headphones and all, or whatever you were discussing … Could become part of the show !
John Clark – if it’s the number of times the post has been filled then yes you’d require to count Smith / Wallace twice. I’d read “number of managers” as number of individuals to fill the post, but your interpretation is equally valid. I just read it as number of people.
Ianagain – mainly non Rangers topics?! What kind of Scottish football broadcast is this?! **** that, not interested. I’m away to stream Clyde One and read the Daily Record.
RyanGosling says:
Member: (157 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 8:49 pm
If it’s the number of managers being counted then it doesn’t matter if they take charge ten times, it’d still be just one man who’d been in the managers position. But really, what value is this adding?
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None whatsoever Ryan, to be perfectly honest.
However, someone in the MSM decided it was worth putting in print in a puff-piece, which makes it fair game.
The number is irrelevant, but the fact the gushing and embarrassingly obsessed media choose to even mention it is worthy of mention.
Ryan
Just saying 🙂
I know your interest are deeper than that.
Anyhow next time get stuck in.
John Clarkes the man not to ask how to get it working BTW. Bit tricky at first.
I refer you Mr Pink.
Clarke ? Clark sorry John
Careful Ianagain, you don’t want to inadvertently kick off an Old Clarke / New Clark debate.
Ryan
Another nawty step page that would be.
The man his pencils his longhand. Legend or not?
RyanGosling says:
Member: (159 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 8:49 pm
If it’s the number of managers being counted then it doesn’t matter if they take charge ten times, it’d still be just one man who’d been in the managers position. But really, what value is this adding?
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The SMSM way of Subliminal Message, As in this is still rangers 1872 and they have had 15 managers.
Sorry if the number of managers confused the real point i was trying to make.
Even though the SMSM may have got the amount of managers wrong in trying to push the myth, that was the point i was trying to make
Is it possible that the new wonder boss was picked by dodgy Dave for his previous stock market / financial abilities helping support his very average football cv…Maybe he was there somewhere at the start of the new club shenanigans alongside the mystery investors….would anything surprise you about this sorry saga.
Will post tonight’s prog as a podcast soon …
3rd Manager 15th who cares. Lets see how the guy gets on. No?
Apologies for being a pedant, but Durrant was manager for 1 game following the departure of PLG
“Durrant was temporarily elevated to the manager position at Rangers until Walter Smith was re-appointed. He lost his only game in charge of the first team, which was a Scottish Cup tie, 3-2 at the hands of Dunfermline Athletic.[6]”
So the Ibrox rollercoaster rumbles on.
It is time to sell season tickets so there has to be some Good News, cos selling tickets is just about the only way they can generate any income now…
So a couple of new appointments are made with just about enough Rangersness to distract the wilfully blind – by which, of course, I mean the SMSM.
The appointments are every bit as high risk as recent ones elsewhere, but by the Power of Grayskull, none of our media chaps need to ask any tricky questions, cos the King is running the show now, and lamb is back on the menu. How they are salivating for those super-tasty morsels.
Of course, in amongst those unasked questions, there are more than a few relating to the financial situation down Govan way that people, especially The People, really ought to know the answers to. After all, one would not want to co-invest in vain, would one?
So our brave boys from the Scottish sports sections have donned their superdark shades, put on the ear defenders and stuffed their gobs full of minty-moonbeam lamb – ain’t gonna see, hear or speak any evil – not when the big hoose needs them to help fleece the fans.
Meantime, back at his evil lair, evil tycoon Mike Ashley is plotting his evil revenge in a most evil way. He really is evil that evil Mike Ashley. Evil, evil, evil I tells yer. I mean, whit kind of guy puts money into the Big Hoose and expects to get it back? Pure mad evilness, so it is.
Of course, the absent Laird of Ibrox has vanished, so it is hard for our boys in the SMSM to ask those unasked questions. I mean, there is no way the missing Laird would have access to any of that new-fangled mobley phone stuff or that interweb.
Sure, they might be better waiting for Level 5 PR to tell them what to write – isn’t that the way it usually rolls anyhow? Cos it is all so confusing and hard and they are not business reporters and anyone who thinks the Glorious Return is on the rails is just an obsessed hater anyway.
And so they continue to do what they have done for years – serve at their Master’s bidding, serving up the usual dross and hiding behind their press pass, pretending to be journalists.
Rangers fans, meantime, are faced with the existential quandary to end existential quandries.
Should they stump up for a season ticket?
Is evil Mike Ashley about to pull the plug in a really evil way?
Will he make the Gers pay back the money?
Does this mean the end??
Does this mean they are going to have to sit and watch an even worse bunch of chumps than last year?
Can the new manager really turn sweepings from all the lower leagues of these Sceptred Isles into Champions League contenders?
It is so hard to tell!! If only someone could tell them what was really going on!!!
My message to them is this: go grab a copy of the Daily Record tomorrow. I’m sure big Keef has it all worked out. He is the world’s most super-duper (and I do mean duper) churnalist after all.
Just keep forking out for the papers, and the season tickets, and the replica strips, and the pies. It has always worked well in the past and with so many RRM looking out for you – how can it go wrong?
Just keep riding that rollercoaster lads.
Evil Mike is collecting the fares and he wants you to enjoy (pay for)the ride – again and again and again…
mcfc says:
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June 16, 2015 at 1:56 pm
The Cat NR1 says:
Member: (467 comments)
June 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33151538
The headline screams
“Rangers shareholders back board over Sports Direct loan”
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Remember this is the loan that had Llambias and Leach under investigation by the New Regime for crimes against the people – now officially endorsed by the shareholders – as advised by the board – what can be the explanation be for not wanting to regain control of Murray Park, Edmiston House, Albion Car Park, the trademarks, the restriction on borrowing against Ibrox and 26% of merchandise profits?
There is only one explanation. The simple fact is that Dave “first out the taxi, last to the bar” King does not want to spend his money on The Rangers. When will the fans begin to understand that
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Alternatively
what we are really witnessing is a fight between two scorpions
Each trying to get the other to take the blame for a close season liquidation
One which will shed some of the onerous contracts and pave the way for the assets to be sold by an Ashley nominated Liquidator to an Ashley surrogate Buyer
Podcast now available. Will be on iTunes soon too.
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paddy malarkey says:
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June 16, 2015 at 9:02 pm
RE RFC / TRFC managers, Wiki says this –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rangers_F.C._managers
PS I thought Scott Symon was sacked before he came to Thistle , no ?
Re you allowed to refer to your own post ? Therein lies danger . You’ll end up talking to yourself . No you won’t . Yes you will . Anyway ,it’s late . Feel free to ignore /delete, mods .
Poem No 2 .
http://www.tomleonard.co.uk/main-publications/intimate-voices/six-glasgow-poems.html
So today the DR wheel out
Walter of cardigan Smith
With 2 separate stories saying the same stuff
Not even going to put the links up
Just bored with it all already 🙁
I wonder how many of their readers they are putting off with their overkill?
I really enjoyed the show last night, well done to all concerned. I stopped listening to the BBC and other Scottish radio football shows a long time ago, because they seemed to me to generate more heat than light, and not even inform compared with the discussions that take place daily since RTC/SFM and club forums came on the scene. But we know all that. As a result, though, the ‘collateral damage’ is that I have to an extent fallen behind in my knowledge of the wider Scottish game, as there’s no medium that gives the broader collective view. The focus on here is also most often on things Rangers, because they are (by far) the most newsworthy events happening, and there is inadequate dissection of them in the MSM. What I particularly enjoyed about your show is that it transmitted a love of Scottish football in general. and points of interest that I can share with supporters of Rangers, Celtic, Arbroath, Alloa, Forfar, Berwick, and the rest. I hope you keep going with it, I would look forward to re-engaging with what’s happening at Dundee and Stirling Albion, for instance, and how the football world looks from their perspectives, as well as from ‘big club’ Glasgow.
I would hope that it is a chance to encourage the wider Scottish game from a position of according ALL of our clubs respect, and demonstrating an interest in their individual world views, and the thoughts of people involved throughout the game, who are generally marginalised in the SMSM.
All the best.
So this is the Season of Good News – a new management team (including a RRM), a new MD and a wonderful gushing letter from DCK to rally the troops to buy season tickets.
The only fly in the ointment is that pesky MA and the Extraordinary Gazebo Meeting.
I seem to remember DCK previously advocating a boycott of season tickets, going so far as to set up an escrow account to hold fans much needed money.
Wouldn’t it be hugely ironic if MA now went to court to ring fence £5m worth of season ticket income to cover his loan – one that the Board and shareholders have now said they are not minded to pay back?
What would the fan in the street do faced with effectively giving his money to MA? Stop buying season tickets? In this time of need for OPM?
Oh dear, what irony!
Scottish Football needs the new SFA Chairman to start pushing for a proper financial analysis of our clubs and the imposition of rules to make them live within their means. Anything less is detrimental to all of the other clubs and injurious to the ones going down that path. We have examples after all!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/dave-king-stands-to-get-14m-out-of-10m-rangers-oldco-creditors-pot.129207878
There’s £1.4 million going straight into ‘soft investment’ in the Rangers then…isn’t it?
Good Morning.
In today’s Herald, Martin Williams tells us that King is set to get £1.4m from the initial pay out to Rangers’ creditors. But he doesn’t explain how he actually qualifies as a creditor in the first place.
If anyone can definitively explain how he does, I would be most grateful!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/dave-king-stands-to-get-14m-out-of-10m-rangers-oldco-creditors-pot.129207878
Enjoy the rest of the day.
TheClumpany says:
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June 17, 2015 at 8:43 am
Good Morning.
In today’s Herald, Martin Williams tells us that King is set to get £1.4m from the initial pay out to Rangers’ creditors. But he doesn’t explain how he actually qualifies as a creditor in the first place.
If anyone can definitively explain how he does, I would be most grateful!
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King’s claim as a creditor is one of the genuine mysteries surrounding the Rangers liquidation. He had no claim lodged with the Administrators, so far as I know, yet he pushes in a £20m claim as soon as BDO are in place. If I was one of the other creditors, I’d be wanting answers to a few questions, before BDO pay out anything to King. Having said that, I can’t imagine BDO paying out anything without some evidence in support of King’s claim.
Can someone explain why every other club in Scotland has to pay the newspapers via placed adverts if it wants publicity regarding Season Ticket sales, whereas there are pages of free publicity for Ibrox ST renewals in every Scottish paper I’ve looked at this week. The level of coverage is astonishing.
But wait, Barry Ferguson has a newspaper column, which I’m absolutely sure he will use to push Season Tickets for the club which employs him. That is Clyde, isn’t it?
Not a good week for the Scottish media, or should I say an especially bad one, since I can’t remember the last time they had anything but a bad week. I can understand why Ibrox supporters buy into this constant stream of blue tinted garbage, what I don’t understand is why the supporters of any other club buy these “newspapers”.
Radar Jackson’s “interview” this morning with Sir Cardigan of Walter really makes the flesh creep. Nauseating stuff. And he’s the Scottish Sports Journalist of the year? Is it three times running now? Who’s next in line for Scotland’s Pulitzer? Richard Wilson or Chris Jack?
TheClumpany says:
Member: (68 comments)
June 17, 2015 at 8:43 am
Good Morning.
In today’s Herald, Martin Williams tells us that King is set to get £1.4m from the initial pay out to Rangers’ creditors. But he doesn’t explain how he actually qualifies as a creditor in the first place.
If anyone can definitively explain how he does, I would be most grateful!
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Clumps, I don’t think anybody really knows, but it may be that instead of suing Minty on a personal level, King has decided to sue Rangers(I.L) instead.
If this is the case, then any payout would be subject to that action being successful or not. Whether BDO wish to go to the expense of contesting it or not (on behalf of Rangers I.L.)is another matter.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/glenn-gibbons-dave-king-rues-being-swayed-by-sir-david-murray-charm-1-2164582