The increasing attacks on social media by the main stream press, fuelled in some respect by David Murray’s vague threats of litigation against bloggers, has brought into sharp focus the challenges facing the Blogosphere. It also brings into even sharper focus the prescience of Stuart Cosgrove’s assertion that this summer’s ‘epistemological break’ had begun to marginalize the Scottish sporting wing of the MSM.
The reality of that assertion is embedded in the misreporting of the FTT decision as a victory for RFC, falsely alleging that those who operated the EBT scheme had been exonerated, that RFC had ‘done nothing wrong’, and consequently accusing ‘vindictive anti-Rangers bloggers’ of playing a part in the downfall of that once great Scottish institution. It is also evident in Tom English’s rather bitter and one-dimensional anti-RTC polemic today in the Scotland on Sunday. Had it been entitled “Self Preservation”, it may have rung a few more truth bells.
I am not of the belief that the MSM is an instinctively pro-Rangers estate, but I do think that their reportage of the FTT is more geared towards discrediting the newly emergent forces in the social media area than it is towards rehabilitating the public image of RFC or David Murray.
However despite the contempt in which many people here hold the MSM and Murray, English does have a point that we would be foolish to ignore. No-one can deny that we do have a duty to ensure that we are responsible in how we present ourselves to the public. Now that our (and others’) success as a real and creative alternative has spurred the MSM into action, we are subject to greater scrutiny than at any time in the past. Our view is that we have to be pro-actively engaged in setting a standard for ourselves that is above those that the MSM have set for themselves.
We have on TSFM an audience exponentially greater than the number of posts. That presents us with a great opportunity to get our message across, but it also burdens us with an increased responsibility not to fall into the trap which has besought the Succulent Lamb Brigade.
We are a very different animal from RTC. RTC him or herself had information and insight to bring to the table that the administrators of this site do not. The founder and former admin of TSFM had the idea that the talent available from posters on the RTC – not just RTC himself – should continue to have a forum in a post-RTC world, and that those talents could be used to challenge the myths regularly represented as facts by lazy journalists in the MSM.
We have at our disposal on this blog forensic analysis of legal, media and corporate matters. We have an abundance of creative minds, all passionate about the game of football AS WELL AS a partisan love for their chosen club. With all that talent and expertise, we can make an impact on the agenda by challenging the misinformation and substandard journalism of the MSM, and our finest moments are when we do that. We lose authority and influence when the debate is impeded by bald accusation or innuendo backed up with little more than an historical view of our country.
Our biggest impact (and largest audience) is to be found when when our experts have collectively torn apart those myths presented as truths by the MSM, and when we have asked the questions that the MSM either can’t or won’t ask or answer. Those are the things that have driven the traffic to this site, and many of the emails we get congratulate us on that.
Our credibility plummets though when we go down the partisan path. We also get literally hundreds of emails from fans who ask that we cut down on the comments of those who are merely venting outrage at how they see the game being mismanaged (mainly so they can access the important stuff more quickly), and from fans who are just fed up with the constant name-calling – almost exclusively aimed at Ally McCoist and other Rangers figures.
If we claim to be an intellectual and journalistic rung or two above the likes of the Red Tops (not to mention to be decent and respectful of others), we need to refrain from the name calling and accusatory culture. We can ask questions, put items for debate on the public agenda, point out apparent irregularities and anomalies. In rushing to judgement of others from the comfort of the glow of our own laptop screens, we are guilty of the same lazy journalism we see in others. Name calling (all good fun of course on a fan site) is just a lazy thought process and as English says, comes across as “nasty”.
We never saw RTC as a fan-site. The original administrator of this blog never saw TSFM as one either, and nor do we. In order to succeed properly, we need sensible fans of ALL clubs to be comfortable and feel secure in our midst. Of course we are not breaking any laws, but can anyone honestly say that we have evolved into a welcoming place for Rangers fans?
TSFM is not about hounding any one club out of existence or into shame or infamy. In the Rangers saga we have sought to ensure that the football authorities play fair with everyone and stick to their own rules. One well kent RTC contributor, and no friend of Rangers, often said that if the FTT found in favour of Rangers we should move along and accept it. Well they did find in favour of Rangers in the majority of cases. That may not suit many of us, but we are the Scottish Football Monitor, not a Judicial Watchdog. We can say why we disagree with the decision, but criticism of the process through which the decision was arrived at is beyond our purview.
Since the accusation is often made in the MSM, we should state, unequivocally and unreservedly, that we are NOT anti-Rangers. Their fans face the same issues as the rest of us and they are welcome here. We are however, equally unequivocally against the gravy train journalism of the Scottish Football Wing of the MSM (with one or two honourable exceptions).
If the Anti-Blogateers in the press are correct, the popularity of the TSFM will recede as the Rangers Tax case reverts to the back pages before disappearing for good. However I do not believe that they are correct. I don’t believe that Scottish football fans are only motivated by either hatred – or even dislike – of one club. I believe we are more concerned with the game itself than the pot-stirrers in the MSM would have us believe, because we understand the interdependence of football clubs.
But we also understand that the people who run football clubs do not always run their clubs for the benefit of the fans. In the business world, that may not be out of the ordinary, since businesses are run for the benefit of shareholders.
However football reserves for itself a special place in the hearts of people in this country. If the people who run football clubs want to retain that favourable status, they have to be accountable to the fans.
The difficulty in holding them to account though, is that the cosy relationship cultivated between club directors, managers and players and the press renders the access to information a closed shop, and the information itself is heavily filtered and spun.
As long as we keep asking questions in response to the fruit of that cosy relationship, we will be providing people with an alternative angle and viewpoint, allowing them to come to their own conclusions, and not the one the MSM post-presser huddle delivers to us wrapped up in a bow.
For the SFM specifically, we believe that to have any influence, we need to enable the expertise at our disposal to flourish. It is also vital to our project that Rangers fans are included in our dialogue. We just can’t call ourselves the Scottish Football Monitor if they are largely excluded from participation because they feel they are being treated disrespectfully.
We can’t tolerate the accusations and name calling. We need to stick to what we have done best; factual analysis, conjecture based on known facts and on-line discourse leading to searching questions being asked.
One of the things we are looking at for the near future is to set up some kind of formal and transparent channel of communication between the SFM and the football authorities. Being truly representative of fans will make that easier to achieve.
The MSM will continue to attack the social media outlets. In one way you can understand it. Their jobs are at stake. The business model of the print media in particular has changed massively over the last five years, manifesting itself mainly in increasingly under-resourced newsrooms. Consequently it is besought by increasingly unreliable and under-researched journalism, even to the point where much of it is no longer journalism at all.
By comparison the Blogosphere has access to greater human and time resources, is able to react to unfolding events in real time, and crucially (because it has been eschewed instead of embraced by print media proprietors) has been occupied by ordinary folk with little or no vested interest.
We are still in position to provide a service in our small niche of the on-line world. We have rights to publish and speak freely about our passion, but we also have to live up to the attendant responsibilities, and thus the appeal for discretion on posting comments.
Where Tom English got it completely wrong (in the uniquely ironic way the MSM have about them), is that his industry has mistaken the rights others have earned for them as entitlement, and ignored almost completely the responsibility they had to act on behalf of those who pay their wages.
Brenda,
Given that the prospectus has been promised by year end, should we start a countdown clock?
smugas says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 17:12
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hmrc-seek-to-appeal-rangers-big-tax-case
Is it just me or does this article almost read as, dare I say it, balanced today? well as balanced as its going to get anyway.
(Apologies not good at links!)
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Sorry…
We can’t find the page:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hmrc-seek-to-appeal-rangers-big-tax-case
Disappeared faster than an EBT side letter 🙂
Is the appeal a higher level of Tribunal? If so and an appeal is granted, will the concealment, obstruction and hindrance of the investigation be looked at more thoroughly? For example if I lie in a small claims court I’m in trouble, if I’m caught lying in a supreme court, I’m going to regret it big time!
smartie1947
easyjambo..
is we in extra time now then 🙂
Alex Tomo is still engaging with the FTTT / dual contracts story – new blog up:
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-cheating-football-taxman/3259
Any news on the BDO creditors report?
Thanks manandboy.
bawsman says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 15:05
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Rumours abound of Rangers supporters forming a picket line at the Dundee Utd game.
Oh dear
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Oh dear indeed, this could be PR disaster for TRFC. As others have pointed out, when the camera pans over the away support who follow the new club there appears a distinct lack of old heads among them, stir into the mix Mr Green and his constant appeals to the persecution complex of the TRFC fans (and jabba similarly agitating) all the ingredients for significant disturbance are present….especially when they will be horsed by 4 or 5! 😉
Announced on SSB – Charles Green – Rangers will not take up any of the ticket allocation for the Scottish Cup game.
LTL does this mean they don’t get their half of the gate money?
The Record article is there. They may have simply changed the url? Whatever:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hmrc-seek-to-appeal-rangers-big-1472292
Radio Scotland just announced that an official statement has been issued from Ibrox saying they won’t take up Utd ticket allocation. Raising temperatures again. Richard Gough is on the programme and has criticised the club’s stance. “Time to move on” said the former RFC captain.
bangordub @ 18:03
Lol can I pleeeaaassseeeee 😉
Jim Spence has asked whether TRFC will take their share of gate money. Gough says fans should attend and ‘drop the hatred & bitterness’.
Brenda says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 18:16
Don’t know about the ticket money.
What about a SFA charge of bringing the game into dispute?
For Rangers forums
CHARLES GREEN, Chief Executive of Rangers, has tonight issued the following statement.
He said: “Rangers Football Club will not be taking its allocation of tickets for the forthcoming Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
“This is a unanimous decision by the board, senior management and staff at Ibrox. Everyone at this club is dismayed at the actions of certain SPL clubs, which were actively engaged in trying to harm Rangers when we were in a perilous situation and we are acutely aware of their attitude to us.
“Not all clubs who voted against Rangers returning to the SPL fall into that category and indeed we made Motherwell very welcome when we played them at Ibrox in the League Cup competition recently.
“However, feelings remain very raw and it should be no surprise that we as a club feel this way.
“It is unsurprising too that there has been a reaction from our supporters to this particular fixture.
“The last thing we as a club want to do is to compromise security arrangements for any match.
“I therefore appeal to all fans not to travel to this match and to Dundee United not to sell tickets to Rangers supporters.
“Our only regret is that this turn of events will not assist Ally McCoist and the team in what will be a very difficult fixture.
“We should make clear that the Club, the manager and the players all look forward to a situation where Rangers fans attend every match to support the team. The fans are our greatest asset.”
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I read this are bringing the game into disrepute (again)
And people wonder why some folks just want to see them shrivel up and die.
Telling fans that they cannot go and support their team – is that another world first?
Rangers refuse tickets for dundee utd game so says ssb
Is this CG just getting his excuses for Ally in early? “We would ‘ave won but it’s hard playing in front of no fans”.
Mr Green is drunk on his own hubris……but he never lets you down! 🙂
A really childish reaction from Ibrox, one I’ve never experienced even AFC Wimbledon managed to go along to the club which actually did kill their old team.
Will Green be charged with bringing game into disrepute, and would his Ibrox board have any say in the entry pricing for the Tannadice match? And, funniest of all, what if there is a replay?
It would be helpful to a simpletong like me if Mr Green would actually say what Dundee Utd DID to trigger this action. Does he know what his fans accuse them of?
As far as I can see, they asked for the same rules to be applied to Oldco as would have applied to any other club.
To me, he seems desperate and foolish and sabre ratting once more.
It’s about time CG moved on, he keeps saying he want to, then he goes and supports the boycott. Think it’s more to do with trying to sell these, ghostly, shares.
The true Rangers fans must now be getting fed up with his rants, and I believe that his continued ‘go’ at all and sundry in the Scottish game will have the opposite effect on the share issue.
I assume that Mr No Surname must have been part of the decision since he is now a board member, very sad day when true football fan cannot follow their team for whatever reason
killiemad says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 18:49
It would be helpful to a simpletong like me if Mr Green would actually say what Dundee Utd DID to trigger this action. Does he know what his fans accuse them of?
As far as I can see, they asked for the same rules to be applied to Oldco as would have applied to any other club.
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Dundee United knocked old Rangers out last season’s cup, starving them of further cup cash and forcing them into administration.
And….. if the same rules had been applied to Oldco as any other club, they would have been banished from the tournament, this to carry through to the Phoenix Green club.
TRFC not taking up their ticket allocation is little short of a bloody disgrace in my humble opinion.
I can only hope that United cuff them at least 5-0, the arrogant, petted-lipped little sh!tes. Gratuitous name-calling, TSFM, I know, but by Jove they ask for it.
Mr Green is behaving like a spoiled brat who didn’t get his way, and I for one have had enough of him and his twisted bitterness. The sooner he takes his cash and gets out of Scotland the better.
Any SPL team who they encounter before they get back to the SPL on merit should refuse to give them a ticket allocation at all now. They wanted “us and them” – I say let them have it.
We are all Arab.
From Charles Green’s statement:
“The last thing we as a club want to do is to compromise security arrangements for any match.
“I therefore appeal to all fans not to travel to this match and to Dundee United not to sell tickets to Rangers supporters.”
In other words “Please,Rangers supporters, stay away – I don’t want my investors to know what they are buying in to just yet.”
The rest of the statement is not only disgraceful but surely worrying for the SPL, the SFL and anybody concerned with the future of Scottish football as a spectator sport.
Making friends wherever they go eh?
An absolute embarrassment. If they had any sense of shame they’d refuse to take their 50% of the gate money. Of course that won’t happen.
And people wonder why Scottish football fans up and down the country want to see Sevco fail?
TSFM – thanks for the reply.
It would be difficult to post about Mr Traynor in terms that were less flattering than the terms he used about sites like this.
No doubt you are keen to elevate discussion above the level of Traynor. Good luck with that.
I’m hoping that one of the legal minds will consider and discuss the legal position when a company tells customers to boycott another company. In this present case the customers are fans who are normally both free to, and encouraged to, attend home and away matches, and the companies normally share the revenues. To the layman observer this seems to be anti-competitive, if there is such a thing in Scotland.
I rate Jim Spence highly, but I was slightly disappointed by a comment he made this evening on Sportsound. Paraphrasing, asked about whether Stephen Thompson was a leading figure against Rangers remaining (yes factual inaccuracy as usual) in the SPL, Jim said ST was responding to United fans and indicated that United fans were motivated by dislike of Rangers.
Maybe true for a few Jim, but I’m pretty sure most arabs wanted to see the rules applied without fear or favour and believed that if a club went into liquidation, then a new company had to start all over again, just as had happened with clubs that went bust before, a fitting outcome for a club that spent more than they could afford trying to out compete their rivals. How many times before this is understood??
Test
CG you said he was going to save Scottish football and since then has nothing more than trying kill it off. Surprised the WS, being a director in The Rangers has gone along with a boycott against the team who was responsible for giving his chance in football.
Think it is probably more to do with selling shares to the fans.
Taysider says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:06
I agree with you 100% on this, Taysider.
Spencey has been pretty good on this issue lately, but I do recall a “Do” he hosted early in the year where he attempted to take the temperature of the room by asking fans present some questions that showed he just did not understand the lack of hatred towards Rangers, and rather that fans just wanted the rules applied fairly.
One question he asked was whether we wanted Rangers out of Scottish football – to which almost nobody replied in the affirmative. He was visibly confused, and ended up in quite a heated exchange – and the heat was mostly from Spence – with a questioner from the floor.
Is this Greene maybe doing his sums and taking the more profitable line for Sevco? Attendances at Ibrox are dropping and there is nothing really to play for – ok they only have a 2 point lead but even McCoist can win Division 3 with a £7+ million wage budget.
Greene stands behind his “brothers” in the United boycott then gives a rallying cry to come to home games selling out for a few games. This being worth more than the 50/50 split of the United game.
I dont think Greene has any morals whatsoever and had a single track mind $$$. He will say and do anything he thinks he can get away with to keep the Sevco show heading in the right direction.
What happens once they are eleminated from the final major tournament im not sure. I would have thought fans will get bored quickly of the Division 3 championship race. I also think players like Templeton were sold D3 on it being short term plus a few big Cup Finals per season. I can only assume Greene doesnt think Ally can win the Scottish Cup anyway – hes probably right.
Greenes going to need more “them vs us” scenarios to keep the hoards attending Ibrox until he runs.
Regarding the boycott – won’t this keep some cash in the fans’ pockets that they may be encouraged to spend on shares? If anyone’s selling, like.
In the annals of stupid decisions this matches or exceeds that of Custer to enter the Little Big Horn and tackle the Souix..
The reason given by CG is that Dundee Utd acted against Rangers interests in the decision not allow them into the SPL. It is childish but it should mean they forfeit any right to any income from that match and the SFA meet on Thursday to decide.
In that event I’ll be buying a match ticket to help offset the loss to Utd.
This is bullying against a club who only followed the rules and needs to be strongly resisted.
Can any Dundee United fan tell me what the cost of a ticket for the Rangers cup game will be.
Also, how many tickets do you usually give them
Maybe we can get a ‘ Fill Tannadice ‘ thing going. Get the kids in with tickets bought by the footballing community that has no truck with boycott nonsense.
calumcrofter says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:00
From Charles Green’s statement:
“…The last thing we as a club want to do is to compromise security arrangements for any match…”
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I interpret that as meaning: if TRFC fans turn up for the game, there is going to be trouble.
Does Charlie write his own statements then ?! Very poor indeed.
TRFC now doing what Rangers used to do best: generating negative goodwill… 😉
[briggsbhoy: can you order the banners then ? 🙄 ]
“The Real Battle Begins” … as presaged in the words of Mr McCoist?
“There are probably one or two people out there enjoying it, maybe one or two people having a wee fly kick. I would suggest to them to give a right good kick just now because we will not be where we are for long.”
Asked if he could elaborate on his comments, the Rangers boss said: “Not really. It will just go down avenues that I don’t really want to go down, to be honest with you. Let’s just say, while we are down there, we are having a look up and we are seeing what we are seeing.”
Is this boycott an avenue that McCoist was thinking about way back then?
The strange thing about this is that Chas attempts a high wire act.
Sometimes he says that the SPL had a decision to make and although they voted not to allow ‘The Rangers’ in it was there decision.
He then goes on to say that, despite the SFL teams being advised to allow ‘The Rangers’ into Div 1, it was rejected but they are happy to be in Div 3.
So he is happy to be in Div 3 but at the same time angry that he is not in SPL.
The high wire act is in the fact that he wants to garner support for his share issue, he wants to put on a show for the crowd, yet at the same time not damage the finances of his club/company. This is the perfect opportunity. He can make his point, whatever it is, against one of the SPL teams but has he made a rod for his own back?
What will he do if he gets through this and is drawn against another SPL team that he doesn’t like at home?
What if they get to a final against an SPL team that he doesn’t like?
Everything he is doing must be viewed through the prism of finance.
Will he sell more shares by this action? Probably yes.
Will he sell more shares by claiming to have bought the history of the liquidated club? Yes.
Will he sell more shares by claiming to be the same club? Absolutely.
Will he sell more season tickets by claiming to be the same club and have the history of the liquidated club? Yes.
Perhaps someone should ask him to name the clubs that ‘The Rangers’ have a problem with. After all ‘The Rangers’ like people named and transparency within Scottish football.
Does anyone know if Dundee Utd ever received the cash due from last seasons cup tie?.
If not and if I was D.Utd,I’d just withhold TRFCs share of the gate.
Let CG and the SFA argue it out.
United need the cash,like every other club.They’ve been screwed by not only RFC(bad news about Dunfermline today.If the SPL/SFA had applied the rules correctly,they’d still be in the SPL),but also screwed the SPL/SFA,
I’d like to see what the SFA/SPL would do if Utd withheld payment!
I’m still a bit conflicted. Is this official boycott the best or worst thing so far in the whole Rangergeddon?
Must be just about the stupidest, though. That club really need a new PR/Marketing guy who can handle this sort of stuff in a more diplomatic fashion.
is he not assuming they’ll get hee haw cash from this one anyway as the debt will get deducted ??
so playing to gallery is a freebie.
how very dignified.
If gate takings are shared, is that from ticket sales only? I seem to remember some talk of cut-price tickets and expensive programmes, at another stadium. If it’s home support only, ticket prices could be slashed and cash kept in-house via premium priced pies 🙂
mirrenman says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:25
Can any Dundee United fan tell me what the cost of a ticket for the Rangers cup game will be.
Also, how many tickets do you usually give them
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Can’t answer the first yet as it has not been set. Normally it is agreed between the two clubs. I assume Rangers will confirm their consent to any price United set given their stance here? Also unclear what Charles Green’s view is on a 50/50 allocation of the profits for the game. I’d like to think the MSM will ask this obvious question?
The away capacity at Tannadice varies but can be as much as approx 5,500 assuming the Shed (West stand) Fair Play and Jerry Kerr are all given to visiting teams as has happened historically for Rangers, Celtic and Aberdeen.
There should be firm action from the authorities in response to this. If ever there was a time for gutsy leadership.
Sorry,
Should say “also screwed BY the SPL/SFA”
Dalziel get a grip?? 140 yrs of history for rfcil THEY ARE DEID 🙂
The decision by Green and the Ibrox management is not one that can be easily reversed, if at all. He really has made his bed with this one, a crass move and a foolish business decision. Where can it be leading? The SFA needs to rein in this renegade who is doing Scottish football no good at all.
Night Terror says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:41
… That club really need a new PR/Marketing guy who can handle this sort of stuff in a more diplomatic fashion.
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I believe there is a character in the frame for just such a position – a renowned Lunchtime O’Booze, and one of the original Ibrox Gannets (c) SoS, who has until recently been a frequent contributor to a national plebiean newspaper.
Whether he could do the job more diplomatically is open to question, mind. 🙂
Jean7brodie.
Thanks for the comment. Now that CG has come out and stated the clubs stance and i expect a unifying rally behind his sentiments from the hordes, i guess that would free up this one game for all the decent fans of Trfc to buy tickets and show Scotland what an active, friendly rangers would be like.
I guess it will be a total boycott then.
angus1983 says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 20:00
Oh really?
This chap sounds just the sort The Rangers should be interested in. Sign him up, Greeny!
Lateral thought
Knowing what we know now and assuming the FTT decision is overturned on Appeal
Would tax evasion charges then be warranted ?
redetin says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:56
The decision by Green and the Ibrox management is not one that can be easily reversed, if at all. He really has made his bed with this one, a crass move and a foolish business decision. Where can it be leading? The SFA needs to rein in this renegade who is doing Scottish football no good at all.
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Unfortunately,Redetin,
The powers that be have made their position clear since the administration/liquidation of RFC.The future of Scottish Football becomes second to the wellbeing of Rangers.
They have learned nothing from the fans actions during the close season.Like Nero fiddling whilst Rome burned,they will go down rather than see what’s in front of them.
Their survey is pointless,questions leaning towards answers they want rather than what the fans want.
They still think the fans will turn up no matter what.
They’re in for a shock.
Aw look – how sweet. A wee TD troll or two skipping around. 🙂
The SFA have to get tough with Charles Green re this Boycott . He should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute , The Rangers thrown out of the Cup and Elgin City to play Dundee Utd .
wottpi says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 18:25
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CHARLES GREEN, Chief Executive of Rangers, has tonight issued the following statement.
“…Rangers Football Club will not be taking its allocation of tickets for the forthcoming Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
… Everyone at this club is dismayed at the actions of certain SPL clubs, which were actively engaged in trying to harm Rangers…”
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Might be a bit tenuous, but is this not bordering on libel ?
At the very least, DUFC should be requesting clarification of this TRFC CEO statement, and/or an apology from TRFC, forthwith.
[And has anybody seen Ogilvie/Regan, or have they crawled back under their rock ?]
Charles Green doesn’t need to say much to rally the stormtroopers:
http://i46.tinypic.com/34hdfdv.png
Today my local council was distributing Christmas gifts to those of a certain age, a not insignificant sum of £15. Is there such an association as a Dundee United Supporters Trust to whom I could send this as a donation to help them to purchase tickets to be distributed to local schoolchildren for the area to be left vacant by The Rangers who have decided to boycott there forthcoming Scottish Cup match. While no doubt this could involve a fair bit of arrangement, surely if all like minded supporters of other clubs were to make a small donation at this time of year a full house could be achieved.
Interesting scenario here. Normally the rules are that the ticket price must be that of a normal home match for the club in the higher division, except by prior agreement with both clubs. The SFA surely must insist that Tribute Act can have no say in pricing now, and morally they have no right to their gate share. I fully expect that they will get their share unfortunately, so surely DUFC should announce something along the lines of £5 adult, £1 kids, and encourage the sale of an over-priced programme. Maximise their revenue that way, minimise Tribute Act’s share, but maintain the moral high ground by ensuring it is paid to them exactly on time, to demonstrate how honourable people do business.
bawsman says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 15:05
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Rumours abound of Rangers supporters forming a picket line at the Dundee Utd game.
Oh dear
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Maybe the polis can apprehend any ‘flying pickets’ on the road up to Dundee a la the miners strike of the 80’s
Charlie seems to have really bought into the myth, that Sevco as the successor to RFC(IL) are Scottish football
He appears to be hell bent on taking on everyone, and alienating as many people as possible
Eventually he will turn everyone against him and his new club, and what little goodwill he had will evaporate
If he continues with his crass stupidity and arrogance, he will destroy Sevco, which to be honest, might be no bad thing
So please Charlie, keep up your good work
Mr Green had a chance today to start building bridges and open up good relations with other clubs in the SFA. However he seems to have chosen to stoke the fire of victimhood even further with this statement tonight. What exactly are Utd guilty of? Oh that’s right, trying to have the rules properly applied without fear nor favour along with all the other clubs in the SPL. That makes them Rangers haters. No it makes them decent people. All they seek is a level playing field.
Mr Green’s words tonight are inflammatory and divisive. How many west coast DUFC fans can feel safe walking around with their club colours on show in Glasgow or the West? I’d suggest it was now on a par with wing walking on a plane piloted with Stevie Wonder. Fans of DUFC are now legitimate targets for the Sevco masses – Mr Green has made that quite clear.
Mr Green should be hauled over the colas for his conrtinued attempts to play to the lowest common element. It is dangerous and people are going to get hurt – that it the way of the PEEPUL.
As for me? I’m going to try and buy a ticket for the cup game. I may or may not make it to the game itself but I have contributed to, hopefully, selling out the game to the benefit of DUFC.
I despise what Mr Green has brought to the game in this country and I truly fear for the game and the safety of its supporters if this fanning of hatered by all concerned at that club is allowed to go unabated.
World Record Boycott …. 500 million ?
Is this not getting ever more farcical now ?
And God help us if TRFC ever get back into the top flight, to be able to settle ‘old scores’ – as promoted by the TRFC CEO no less.
The SFA must issue a statement.
It is the SFA’s absolute responsibility to ensure the integrity of the Scottish Cup competition. This is the oldest national trophy in world football and the SFA’s duties includes looking after the clubs and fans and not least their obligations to their commercial partners (William Hill and Carling). I am sure that they take these responsibilities extremely seriously. No doubt Messrs Ogivlie and Regan will convene an emergency meeting first thing tomorrow morning to demand that this new upstart of a club, threatening to bring the entire competition into disrepute, desist forthwith or face the full wrath of the rules.
SFA should be doing them for disrepute, not acting in utmost good faith etc. ( Are Green and McCoist not already under a suspended sentence?)
Unfortunately, I fear, it will be declared that it was better that no tickets were taken rather than run the risk of public disorder and, indeed, Sevco should be applauded for being so public spirited.
Mirrenman
I agree that we should look to support Utd, half joking half in earnest I put a comment up yesterday at 20:10 suggest that Utd change ticket pricing to ensure Rangers hardly get a penny if what has happened today comes to pass. Lets see what action the SFA take first and if they say that’s fine but you don’t get half the ticket money then that’s where we should step in.
Whilst Steve BC and I were having a bit of banter on it prohibby at 23:11 suggested that the best thing Rangers could do was withdraw as the honourable thing. If they were honourable they would but the fact is they are not, we all know what they are.
Brenda says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 19:53
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Dalziel get a grip?? 140 yrs of history for rfcil THEY ARE DEID
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It’s really weird when someone posts what they’re shouting at the radio on here. Gonnae no dae that?
It’s time that Green and his legions were put in their place by the authorities, and reminded that without the help of the rule twisters and breakers, Sevco wouldn’t be playing any football at all
Tommy says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 20:13
Intimidation from a Rangers fan surely not !
He should be arrested and I hope he is, it’s a no wonder we don’t hear the decent voice of Rangers supporters.
CHARLES GREEN, Chief Executive of Rangers, has tonight issued the following statement.
“…Rangers Football Club will not be taking its allocation of tickets for the forthcoming Scottish Cup match against Dundee United at Tannadice.
… Everyone at this club is dismayed at the actions of certain SPL clubs, which were actively engaged in trying to harm Rangers…”
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This is a brilliant opportunity for fans of all clubs to stand shoulder to shoulder with DUFC
They should declare the away end a DUFC fan area and disperse the equivalent no of tickets around the ground
I feel a support United campaign coming on if the SFA don’t deal with this in the sternest terms tomorrow. I’m behind you Goosygoosy. Let starts a TU TD survey anybody think of a good question dependent on SFA action
Fans should not buy tickets for the away end of the ground as ‘The Rangers’ will still demand the 50/50 split. Remember you couldn’t mark his neck with a blow torch and we all know who the SFA will back in this situation!
Fans concerned about this latest twist should just donate £10 or £15 to United similar to what happened to Raith Rovers when Turnball Hutton made his remarks. In this way the money would go to United and the tickets for the away end could be given away on the night.
Toilet humour – nothing offensive
http://twitter.com/martinlow94/status/276045141863694337/photo/1
So who will pay for lawyers to represent the old RFC(IL) in the HRMC’s appeal against the FTT ruling? Obviously it’s nothing to do with Charlie Greens outfit, so they won’t pay, and BDO are unlikely to see it as a fruitful exercise.
In which case, is it possible any appeal would be unopposed by any relevant party?
justshatered says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 20:48
Correct me if I’m wrong here but as The Rangers have indicated that they are not taking their allocation, these tickets are now DUFCs to distribute as they see fit. IMHO The Rangers have forfeited their share of gate money with this announcement. I would wait until the issue has been made clearer by the SFA but would expect that DUFC should be able to sell this allocation and keep the proceeds. The reality, I suspect, will be somewhat different I suspect.
justshatered says:
Tuesday, December 4, 2012 at 20:48
10p for the ticket and a compulsory donation for a programme for £15 taking a leaf oot of Chuckies book.
It may be petty but if I were United I would be sorely tempted to show no hospitality to Rangers official party when and if it arrives. Who thinks they would have the cheek to turn up, his neck isn’t isnae that hard surely.