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ordinaryfan says:
Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 23:28
I’ve got a sneaky feeling that reconstruction will be put on hold for 1 season. Sevco will be given the time to gain promotion to Division 2.
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Will not make one whit of a difference. They are severely holed beneath the waterline and taking on water faster than it can possibly be baled. It is only a matter of time whether Capt. Compo jumps ship or goes down with it.
become a global commodity. I think they must mean Govan commodity
What are the consequences if reconstruction is postponed for a season at the last minute due to some small oversight or legality?
Sorry thought I had lost 1st post.
Last thoughts…
Chuckles has no shame cause he has no History to respect, he has no idea when to stop, he has a problem and he just loves it!!
mrgreenwhytebrown says:
Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 23:39
RM:-
When Rangers eventually reach the EPL, and assuming we had an 80000 capacity (big assumptions accepted), what sort of crowds would we draw against Utd, Liverpool etc? How many season tickets would we sell? Money talks, Sky would absolutely love it, revenue would go through the roof, Rangers would be the iconic “Scottish Team” in the eyes of the world. Our support would increase massively, revenue would increase further and the momentum would be unstoppable. We will become a global commodity, maybe something not everyone wants bit it is going to happen.
….Fantasy Cont..
Man City become our feeder club…we are invited as guest speakers at the United nations…we win the boat race for the 5th year running…David Beckham decides to end his career at Ibrox…
But seriously…’revenue would go through the roof’…it’s about time they found an alternative to it going out the back door for the last 2 years!
I think its fair to say that if Chuckie hadn’t made his bizarre statement today the majority of posts tonight would have been on reconstruction proposals without to much on how it affects sevco.
mrgreenwhytebrown says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 00:19
Last thoughts…
Chuckles has no shame cause he has no History to respect, he has no idea when to stop, he has a problem and he just loves it!!
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I think the word you are looking for is….TIT!
Fancy having Chuckles as your Grandad
The mind boggles
Yours….. not his
Its already boggled
Newco are going nowhere
The CG bluster is about two things
1 24 teams only in first two divisions probably means newco won’t be invited up to replace a club which doesnt meet gound criteria …ergo they need 14 plus 14 or 16 plus 10.. Which would have given them every chance of getting the invite up..that’s probably what they want!
2 Beginnings of the the now highly choreographed ( by MH) media blitz plan of positioning SFA,MSM the fans etc .in advance of the mega impending event…… Ie that they are being very badly treated when as we all know they in reality they are absolutely the likely criminals pending their sentence from LNS..
Bottom line he knows reconstruction is unlikely to happen…and is making sure the brutal propaganda campaign is underway.
…real message ?..don’t dare punish us anymore..we won’t stand for it….all as a prelude to ensuring they avoid the unplanned dual disasters of financial punishment eg prize money repayments and no quick passage upstairs.
Per various poster comments previously Clubs fans etc need to make sure SFA et al have no hiding place on the
LNS stuff…justice first!
Turnbull Hutton?
Give the man a break.
He spoke out when no one else would.
He is entitled to his opinion on reconstruction.
It should be okay to disagree with him without impugning his character.
RM…………”revenue would go through the roof”…….just like the rain,hail,snow and asbestos does.
They really should get that roof fixed!
How much notice do you have to give to resign from a league?
Morning brenda 2 years i think
Hi Brenda.Maybe LNS will help Sevco on this issue.
Apples 1
Oranges 0
As Brenda has highlighted you need to give notice to resign from a league. If Sevco by a long stretch of the imagination were given access to the lower leagues of English football (can’t see any change in the premiership) they would have no european football unless they win a cup that gives automatic entry and that of course would be no easy task. Any route out of Scottish football regardless of where would not happen anytime soon, almost fantasy. Comments made on Radio shows and picked up by listeners also highlights that the establishment whilst not directly admitting it know that Sevco are a new entity which causes further issues for them. By the time they get the opportunity to kiss goodbye to Scottish football they will be established. Buying another club would not go down well wiith the Rangers now then and forever mob.
Moving on Clubs throughout Europe are struggling and looking for those forms of revenue streams that will help them survive. Their problems however have been created in a way by the commercialisation of football and madness that is salaries paid to players who are not worth the money. If you pay £50m for a player and give him £200k every week that guy should be such flawless in each performance. Until such times as players salaries are capped and there is a level playing field and football is given back to the fan and we move towards Saturday’s at 3pm and it’s affordble teams will continue to struggle and will eventually fold and football at the highest level will be beyond the reach of the ordinary man and women.
Thanks boys/girls 🙂 maybe someone should let chuckie know……… He has so many ‘advisors’ surely someone should’ve filled him in before he had his wee rant and looked a bit silly ………. Yet again 🙂 great innit lol
I meant to add that if Sevco ended up in the lower leagues of English Football they may find that they stagnate and the loyal fanbase drifts. Any change in the setup in England to offer a more commercially viable option won’t happen anytime soon. You have got to ask what would a Celtic or a Sevco add to mix down south. it would only be TV revenue potential as has been proven here, not having them in the top league doesn’t take wads of cash out your match day revenues, it has an effect yes but it can be overcome. Would fans travel to the likes of Exeter, Plymouth and Hereford week in week out? I doubt it.
Can someone tell me how long TRFC are an associate member for.
mirrenman says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 08:08
Can someone tell me how long TRFC are an associate member for.
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Couple of months.
I think the question is not : how long have they been an associate? But, how long can they remain as an associate until a decision on permanent membership is taken?
So if memory serves, Mr Charles is paying himself £370,000 a year, with that again as a bonus if NewGers get promoted. If Rangers don’t get promoted but go through the same league reconstruction does he get still his bonus? Couple of hundred grand after tax buys a lot of camel-hair coats…
theglen2012 says:
Wednesday, January 9, 2013 at 23:21
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I think there would be a bit less (but probably always some) distrust of the proposals if they’d been put forward as a starting point for discussion rather than as the grand solution to all our problems.
We – and hopefully our clubs too, or some of them anyway, should treat the proposals as a ‘rough hew’ which still need their ‘ends shaped’ – as rural Midlands hedge trimmers used to say.
schottie59 says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 07:08
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Apples, more than a fruit!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision3/4735683/Youd-think-Gers-were-in-a-2-team-league-with-Al-Qaeda-SHUT-UP.html#ixzz2HYSmCFRN
Another MSM outburst aimed at Green and YET MORE “Longmuir For King” propaganda.
So what exactly is happening here? My best guess is Walter Smith and co, or associates, are about to start a coup at Ibrox. This faction see the bigger picture and know the main objective for Sevco is to secure a willing “Established Brother” at the helm. A helm which will wield more power than ever before. Far fetched? I don’t think so.
Jockeybhoy
Looks like you’ve hit the nail on the head. No wonder Chuckie’s so up in arms. If you are correct, it’s not about getting up to the top tier as quickly as possible, it’s about gaining promotion so he gets his money. Three promotions are worth nearly £1m over three years and losing a third might just tip such a belligerent man over the edge. To see Green get stung in this way just might make the reconstruction plans worthwhile.
How many threats can one club spout before Scunner will break his sponsored silence ,you have got to hand it to this man he has given rigamortous a new meaning.
yourhavingalaugh says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 09:48
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How many threats can one club spout before Scunner will break his sponsored silence ,you have got to hand it to this man he has given rigamortous a new meaning.
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Don’t know exactly but it s definitely a World Record.
Interesting times.
Assuming the restructure happens this year then two outcomes are likely. Sevco can either abide (i.e. be told to follow) the true merit, rational thought arguement. They come 33rd this year therefore they go into the new national league of 18 next year. It will be a true test for them to maintain their fan base and current operating model in this scenario. We know it, they know it and I would like to think that the powers that be (including LNS) know it as well. It could be construed as a punishment of sorts, but could be easily applied without using the the words punishment, sanction etc. MrT can chirp about being picked on, chips on shoulders, kicking when we’re down, we know who you are, I’m not suggesting vioence but… etc etc to his hearts content. I am concerned though that whilst Longmuir has hinted at “merit” dictating placement someone on here before mentioned that a league winner was promoted before by default (Clyde?) regardless of the number of ‘relegations.’ I would like to see definitive statement on this issue please. Certainly the clubs should not be asked to vote without a definitive statement on team placings and money distribution – you are, after all, asking nine clubs to vote to miss out on a couple of big paydays under the staus quo. To be clear I am of the opinion that whilst it is unfortunate that a league winner is not promoted due to circumstance (that circumstance being that the league they should be promoted to disappears) surely no-one is suggesting they should skip a league (of the old set up) entirely which is essentially the one-year-early arguement. Also, the claimant doesn’t seem to have the cleanest record to date now does it with yesterday the perfect example?
As above then the second outcome would be that Sevco bypass 9 other teams and enter SPL2 the championship as they were ‘promoted’. Cue happy sevcoites, happier sky but infinitely hacked off bampots, repercussions on season tickets etc. Is this a gamble they would wish to take? Certainly combined with a favourable (for sevco) LNS outcome it would be a pretty hard sell.
Third outcome therefore is delay – they get to Div 2, presumably win it with their newly purchased squad then enter SPL2 on true, uncontestable merit.
My money therefore, with no inside knowldege of TV implications, plus a safe assumption that the powers wouldn’t have the balls to apply the as you were bottom 18 arguement to sevco anyway, is on delay, delay, delay.
Georgie porgie Peat not too happy with reconstruction plans 🙂 warming to it by the day 🙂
Brenda says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 10:15
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Georgie porgie Peat not too happy with reconstruction plans warming to it by the day
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Watch out for the double bluff, these Sevconians are sneaky!
Certainly a rushed reconstruction for next season, a golden invite due to stadia etc to get from 33rd to 24th plus an ineffective transfer embargo to assist them to the top 4 ready for the middle 8 would seem to tick a lot of conshpirashy boxes.
Very very easy to avoid though. A statement predating the vote giving the clubs the info they need to vote accordingly would clarify. Remember 41 of us. 1 of them. Lets “get them telt” to quote the cardigan man.
ordinary fan
Very true but if there is any jiggery pokery to get the sevconians what they want, I believe there will be a revolt from every other (or the majority of) teams fans involved. We have had our fill of cheating and rule breaking………….the SFA/SPL and SFL witnessed the strength of feeling from theses clubs during the summer …… Surely not? LNS decision will be important though 🙂
paulsatim says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 09:28
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schottie59 says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 07:08
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Apples, more than a fruit!
oh yes ,one a day keeps the Z****** away !
Brenda says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 10:31
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ordinary fan
Very true but if there is any jiggery pokery to get the sevconians what they want, I believe there will be a revolt from every other (or the majority of) teams fans involved. We have had our fill of cheating and rule breaking………….the SFA/SPL and SFL witnessed the strength of feeling from theses clubs during the summer …… Surely not? LNS decision will be important though
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I don’t think there will be any “fast tracking” exactly. However I could see them pulling a move and delaying reconstruction for a season, by the end of which Sevco will be probable winners of Division 2! A technicality at the last moment would do the trick.
Another way to get Sevco into an upper division would be if a club in one of these divisions went out of business, therefore promoting the Division 3 winner to Div 2, and allowing a new club in to Div 3 to replace the departing Sevco.
I hope there are no Div 2 clubs in any imminent severe financial trouble who happen to have Sevco shareholding directors, and / or with some brotherly loyalty elsewhere, who regretfully felt it was necessary to wind up their failing club (for the good of Scottish football, and prudent financial managment). Perchance the deceased club may or may not end up seeking membership of Div 3 when it miraclously finds some funds once Sevco gets its place in Div 2.
Too far fetched?
And Chuck, if you’re reading this, and if this does happen, would I get an arrangement fee?
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/mr-green-gets-angry-16-10-16-good-12-12-18-bad-gers-should-quit-scotland/
I posted yeterday about the prospect of RIFC PLC buying a lower division English team – using Doncaster Rovers as an example . I was , rightly, reminded that there are regulations in place regarding Football clubs buying other football clubs . However, Rangers International is not a Football Club , only the Holding Company of one . Is is not then possible for RIFC to simply switch to “holding” another. Come to think of it , is there anything to say that RIFC have to remain in the football business at all ?
“I haven’t read anything other than what is in the press and if that is what we have sat here eagerly awaiting to transform Scottish football, my advice to the board of Rangers is the quicker we can leave Scottish football the better.
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So whats new about that comment?It must have been umpteen times by now
The Board of TRFC comprises 3 Spivs whose only goal is to milk the business dry and leave
scottish football
Thinking it through logically. There are currently 8 clubs in the current Div 2 that wouldn’t get into the SPL2 as proposed (assuming sevco don’t get a special invite). If the status quo is maintained these same clubs will be in a division (2) with a large newly promoted reinvigorated behemoth with a world record travelling support. If they vote for the new structure with no special invites being awarded then they will be in a division with a large almost promoted etc albeit only playing them once at home as opposed to twice. If they vote for an immediate restructure, including an invite to the golden ones they miss out on the pay day altogether and are joined by one other unfortunate who’s face didn’t fit. So 8 or 9 clubs disatisfied by change out of 30 equals…calculators anyone?
On a completely unrelated topic apparently Longmuir needs a 75% majority. Oops.
Methinks Chuckie’s been sold a pup and me thinks me knows who the three guys selling it were.
Is the message thet they are a new club sstarting to get through to the “500 million”faithful, they are asking why they dont have a say in the reconstruction talks.
As FW put it on SSB last night they are a new member with associate status and don’t have a vote.This is the time to end the same club argument by continuing to phone the radio shows and tell them how it is.
If they were the same club they would have a vote, they are not they don’t and eventually the penny will drop for the 500million.
There is a e petiition on RM that has beengoing since the result of the big tax case
was made known to date it has been signed by 37000 it needs 100000 to get noticed at parliment some posters admit to signing it 5 or 6 times and have got family in England to do the same, and they lay claim to being this massive world famous institution! as Jim Royle would say my ar**.
Not sure anyone posted this from the Guardian – fairly open scepticism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/09/rangers-leave-scottish-football-charles-green
“There has never been any genuine spectre of Rangers moving to an alternative playing environment.”
“On Tuesday evening, a somewhat bizarre article appeared on the Rangers website, written by a member of the club’s media department.”
Falkirk Chairman, Martin Ritchie, said on BBC Radio Scotland last night: “It’s too dangerous to talk about Rangers.”
This is what the new club from Govan have brought to the game. Says it all really.
Sorry I should have mentioned the e petition is about the leaks at HMRC which led to the downfall of the berz, and a call for an inquiry into the way HMRC put RFC(IL) to the sword when they could have agreed to a CVA.
Is this chuckie green’s ‘get out’ after all he’s got all that lovely share £££££££ and does anyone think he’ll sell any players before the window shuts?
Brenda says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:15
Yes but the deal was Chuckie (and no doubt whytie) get moolah in return for a debt free club going places. Peterhead away, again, was not quite what they had in mind.
As regards players I think them staying would be more to do with 1/ fear (see reaction to Naismith et al) and 2/ whatever they were promised when they joined. We never really believed Templeton fancied Peterhead away twice in the first place did we? To face it all over again again?
Clearly they wouldn’t be facing them again again so I say again that if they faced them again they would only face them once, but again, if you get my drift. I need some lunch!
ps. Santa. Thank you very much for the socks, chocolate and the reindeer jersey. What happened to my edit function?
jimlarkin
http://www.clyde1.com/on-air/ssb-listen-again/
click on jan 9th replay – 4mins and 5 secs in
fraser wishart explains why the rangers/sevcorangers/proxyrangers
did NOT have a vote.
the reason – they are a NEW member.
they were NOT RELEGATED.
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[ for example, dunfermline were relagated into sfl from spl, sevco were not.
sevco are a new entrant to the sfl – not one coming from the spl]
thanks fraser for clarifying that.
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if only we could get the SFA to take action against charles green, for making all these accusations and assertions.
it would also help, if the SFA issued a statement of fact about sevco’s new associate member status and legal status as a new club – the rangers – and new membership of the sfl.
[which was upgraded from “conditional membership”.
a membership which does not exist in the rules]
smug as
Do you think that’s why chuckie’s a wee bit annoyed? Will he have a few of his ‘top players’ at his door saying ‘but you told us’ hell slap it into them, 🙂
does that mean they really only want to follow once ?
So, if the 12-12-18 is accepted, Would there still be an SPL2 champion?
Taking the current standings, we have Hearts, ST Mirren, Ross County, Dundee, Thistle, Dunfermline, Morton, Raith Rovers in the middle 8 split positions. (just noticed that looks like a craking group, couple of derbys too. The problem is i suspect Hearts would be strongest.
So they start the season in SPL1, have a bad start end up ninth and fall into mid8 split. then sign a few players in the jan transefer and romp to SPL2 title.
You also have the potential that no team from SPL2 gains promotion to the top div.
This is from The Rangers offical site regarding compensation payments for players who left
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
This being the case – who played Brechin City on 30/07/12 ?
paradisebhoy @ 12:56
The Trialists 😉
paradisebhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:56
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Think someone mentioned this a few days ago.The answer was Sevco 5088!
paradisebhoy @ 12:56
That is not a slight anomaly, it’s a massive anomaly
It means that they were not registered to a football association, and therefore could not exist as a football club
smugas says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 10:10
It was me that pointed out what happened in season 93-94 – unfortunately, it wasn’t Clyde that were the beneficaries. We were one of the 5 teams relegated! It was Stranraer that were promoted over the bottom 5, and whilst it hurt at the time, they won their division so deserved their promotion.
However, what’s different is that we all knew from the outset that the bottom 5 would be relegated. It would be completely wrong to suddenly turn around mid-season and go ‘Oh, by the way, you lot are going nowhere’. This makes me think that reconstruction will take place at the end of next season instead.
goosygoosy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 11:41
“I haven’t read anything other than what is in the press and if that is what we have sat here eagerly awaiting to transform Scottish football, my advice to the board of Rangers is the quicker we can leave Scottish football the better.
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So whats new about that comment?It must have been umpteen times by now
The Board of TRFC comprises 3 Spivs whose only goal is to milk the business dry and leave
scottish football
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Exactly – who is to say the “We” refers to the Rangers Board i.e. investors/shareholders and not the “We” as in TRFC?
If you read it as we the borad will take our money and go elsewhere, it makes more sense than we the TRFC need to find another country to play in………..
areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 13:19
This makes me think that reconstruction will take place at the end of next season instead.
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I think this is the reason for Greens rant.
He’s budgeted for a 25%(I think) rise in ST prices in Div 2,bringing in around £1.5m net.
Can he justify this whilst still in the bottom tier and playing 1 home game less?.
P.S.
SSN giving one of Charlies options as buying a MLS franchise,No kidding!
Will Green still be paid a promotion bonus on top of his £360,000 annual salary now that reconstruction is another elephant in the room.
His original agreement signed on 17 September 2012 agreed an extra non-contractual £360,000 bonus if Rangers won promotion from the SFL.
But a new agreement dated 7 December changed the playing field somewhat by still paying a £360,000 bonus if Rangers wins promotion from the SFL but added ‘or otherwise transfers to another football league’.
So, under the old agreement Green couldn’t have got his £360,000 bonus for at least three years. Under the new agreement he could have it next year if the proposed lowest tier is legally ‘another football league’.
Brian Stockbridge has a £200,000 annual salary and under an agreement dated 17 September 2012 was also entitled to an extra non-contractual bonus of £200,000 when Rangers won promotion from the SFL.
A new agreement dated 7 December retained the £200,000 bonus but the payment trigger was changed to when Rangers won promotion from the SFL or otherwise transfers to another football league or to another division within a league.
Originally, the bonus couldn’t have been paid for at least 3 years but the amendment means it could be paid next year if Rangers is promoted from SFL3 to SFL2. It is also possible, just like Green, that Stockbridge could have it next year if the proposed lowest tier is legally ‘another football league’.
I am unclear as to whether Stockbridge can only get his £200,000 bonus once or whether he can get it 3 or 4 times with Rangers going-up the leagues either under the old or proposed system.
That could give him a potential £600-£800k promotion bonus but despite searching the Rangers AIM flotation document I can’t see Ally getting a bonus for marching through the leagues which seems a bit strange IMHO that a ‘numbers’ man is rewarded for sporting achievement but the team manager isn’t.
It will be interesting to see what the Rangers International remuneration committee – chaired by Phillip Cartmell with Cardigan and Ian Hart as members – makes of the accelerated effect reconstruction seems to have on bonuses.
torrejohnbhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 13:35
areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 13:19
This makes me think that reconstruction will take place at the end of next season instead.
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I think this is the reason for Greens rant.
He’s budgeted for a 25%(I think) rise in ST prices in Div 2,bringing in around £1.5m net.
Can he justify this whilst still in the bottom tier and playing 1 home game less?.
P.S.
SSN giving one of Charlies options as buying a MLS franchise,No kidding!
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somebody posted that if sevco don’t “get promoted”, then chico misses out on £370k bonus.
regarding the MLS franchise, will he call it “the rangers”,
the same as his scottish sevco franchise. = [© the falkirk stadium announcer]
Here’s some news that’ll not be well received by those on RM & FF.
Celtics auditors become RFC liquidators!
http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/2231003/bdo-pkf-merger-confirmed
SSN reporting arbitration hearing wrt Charlie claiming compensation for McGregor,Lafferty has decided in Rangers favour with regard to jurisdiction.
I can see this one ending up in court.
paradisebhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:56
This is from The Rangers offical site regarding compensation payments for players who left
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
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The bigger anomaly, which isn’t mentioned, is that TRFCL couldn’t take arbitration proceedings because it wasn’t an SFA member so the SFA allowed RFC 2012 Plc (IA) to ‘front’ the arbitration proceedings with presumably agreement from D&P and RFC 2012 Plc (IA) stating that any compensation paid should go to TRFCL again presumably with agreement from D&P.
I find it hard to get my head round this can of worms and so must the Rangers creditors as well as the Players’ Union who have objected to the arbitration proceedings.
At the hearing on Monday the chairman heard from Rangers – I don’t know if it was Rangers International, TRFCL or RFC 2012 (IA) now (IL) – and the Union. The chair has now told them to have a think and if agreement can’t be reached he will make a judgement.
The Rangers press release has stated this perfectly normal procedure as almost a done-deal victory and it will be interesting to see if the MSM continue to report parrot fashion or actually investigate and run the real story.
Considering (we are being led to believe) that the SPL/SFA and SFL will merge into one body, can someone please explain to me why people who will not be administrating any new product are being allowed to design and implement it?
I do not trust a body which contains Rangers Old Club placemen (shareholder and EBT recipients), Ogilvie and Longmuir, I do not trust them to do anything other than revert to type.
Justice, assess, progress.
torrejohnbhoy @ 14:08
Missed this
What was the hearing about ?
campsiejoe says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 14:24
torrejohnbhoy @ 14:08
Missed this
What was the hearing about ?
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Can’t remember exactly.Something to do with Green demanding compensation for players who refused to TUPE and left for nothing(Lafferty,Naismith etc).Deciding who had jurisdiction to hear the case I think.
I see that the Celtic share price has risen by 18.5% today, following on from significant gains made in the last few months. It seems like everytime the “Yorkshire Kipper” opens his mouth, Celtic’s value increases. I’ll bet Peter Lawell hopes Green stays at Ibrox for some time to come. More than just comedy value??????????
campsiejoe says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 14:24
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this explains better.
Thanks to Ecobhoy
ecobhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 14:14
paradisebhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:56
This is from The Rangers offical site regarding compensation payments for players who left
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
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The bigger anomaly, which isn’t mentioned, is that TRFCL couldn’t take arbitration proceedings because it wasn’t an SFA member so the SFA allowed RFC 2012 Plc (IA) to ‘front’ the arbitration proceedings with presumably agreement from D&P and RFC 2012 Plc (IA) stating that any compensation paid should go to TRFCL again presumably with agreement from D&P.
I find it hard to get my head round this can of worms and so must the Rangers creditors as well as the Players’ Union who have objected to the arbitration proceedings.
At the hearing on Monday the chairman heard from Rangers – I don’t know if it was Rangers International, TRFCL or RFC 2012 (IA) now (IL) – and the Union. The chair has now told them to have a think and if agreement can’t be reached he will make a judgement.
The Rangers press release has stated this perfectly normal procedure as almost a done-deal victory and it will be interesting to see if the MSM continue to report parrot fashion or actually investigate and run the real story.
torrejohnbhoy @ 14:28
Thanks
torrejohnbhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 14:28
campsiejoe says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 14:24
torrejohnbhoy @ 14:08
Missed this
What was the hearing about ?
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Can’t remember exactly.Something to do with Green demanding compensation for players who refused to TUPE and left for nothing(Lafferty,Naismith etc).Deciding who had jurisdiction to hear the case I think.
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They’re deciding who has the right to tell them to get lost with their claim 😀
areyouaccusingmeofmendacity says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 13:19
Specifically on the 1 up 5 down arguement (apologies to all Clyde fans btw) the other difference here is that the league sevco would ordinarily be being promoted to is disappearing.
Ok, so most points so far seem to conclude that if a reconstruction is required that season 2014/15 makes most sense. Similarly with everyone in full knowledge of the facts at the beginning there is no reason why next year’s placings would not be carried forward into the new league’s structure. Sevco problem sorted, no-ones having a fly wee kick. What are the arguements against? Note I’m assuming here that reconstruction is a given, whether I personally agree or not.
1/ Teams might not survive that long, they require the proposed extra distribution from the SPL just to continue. OK, show me the figures. There is no reason why the SPL as is cannot make an additional downward payment if necessary subject to the Sponsors clause below. Secondly, as I said a few posts ago, if the reconstruction goes ahead as many suspect with a goden invite abnormally advancing sevco to SPL2, then 9 teams miss out on a pay day. Are you telling me 9 teams missing out on a ‘good season’ is better than the above impact if the status quo is maintained for another year?
2/ Sky deal requires sevco at least in SPL2 or so we are led to believe. It would be a fairly safe bet that the current SPL sponsors, a glasgow based bank, would have a similar preference (assuming they are to renew of course). Obviously sponsors and tv deal cash are what would fuel the extraneous payment to the lower divisions as proposed above. Are sky and the sponsors willing to say this publicly? At the very least I would like their view known to my club prior to the vote.
3/ For the vote there is no reason the clubs (or for that matter the fans, but at least the clubs) would not have an absolute understanding of three things namely
a/ who the 12-12-18 would actually be, in terms of final placings
b/ what the money situation would be if the vote is positive, or negative
c/ if, for commecial reasons, the vote HAS to be positive (with an invite to SPL2 being advanced to Div 3 winners) how exactly is this to be communicated to fans – simple statements of fact like “Sky said so,” “SPL12 had already agreed to” etc or are we to be faced with more rediculous smoke and mirrors.
To be fair, I think Turnbull Hutton may have said something similar.
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paradisebhoy says:
“Who did play Brechin on 30/7/12?”
Well now, there’s the thing. It wasn’t a club that had the normal procedures and membership rules applied to it- so technically, officially, maybe no-one actually did. But Brechin still lost out.
On the evening before the game, the SFA allowed the game to go ahead with their conditional membership wheeze.
So technically, the players were probably not properly registered, and the club probably had no licence,(no approved strips, no financial plan, no accredited directors & staff or probably premises etc).
Recently signed players were listed as “trialists” despite the club initially saying they would be ineligible, one scored a goal, and the whole charade was offically applauded as a good fix.
A fix, certainly, Good? not so much.
It laid the foundations for making things up on the hoof which continues as we speak, read, type, & despair.
If any football authority wanted to stick by the rules, and there were plenty of authorities and rule books to choose from, and if administered by world class administrators with the same rigour and gusto as they have proved they can do with the right offender in their sights, these rules would have left no room for the favouritism that transpired.
I can just about understand the decisions based on overall financial considerations that the continuation of rangers were to be kept in a league, but the rush to let them play cup games before associate membership was negotiated was and is a disgrace, and I’m sorry those clubs they played did not protest or take the SFA to court.
Personally, I would like to know exactly when all the appropriate paperwork was completed for the then Sevco Football Club, as well as when any necessary amendments due to name changes or five way agreement stuff etc were tied up, and what actual compliance checks took place & by whom. (If this was all done and dusted according to regulation, then please show us.)
“Sigh”, I know I’ll never get to know though
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But Brechin still lost out.
paradisebhoy says:
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 12:56
This is from The Rangers offical site regarding compensation payments for players who left
“We have this slight anomaly where for a period newco were not members of the SFA from June 14 until being granted membership on August 3.”
My post had nothing to do with the actual compensation case .
My point is that here is The Rangers , on their own official website , admitting to not being members of the SFA when they played , and beat Brechin City . As Campsiejoe pointed out this is a massive anomaly which should not go unpunished .A ban from next years Ramsdens Cup would seem appropriate plus some compensation for Brechin City .