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original on KDS: Hugh Keevins stands up for decency..
Lest they forget:
Sunday Mail article on Hugh Adam. No need to click link as copied and pasted.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-owe-hugh-adams-a-debt-1521489
Rangers owe Hugh Adams a debt of gratitude
6 Jan 2013 00:01
WITH the fund raiser’s passing, the Ibrox side should reflect that they owe Adams a great deal
IMPORTANT information can get lost over the course of a frantic festive period.
The sad death of former Rangers director Hugh Adam shouldn’t be allowed to come into that category.
Adam was the man who raised so much money for Rangers he was once asked in private by Celtic if he would consider leaving Ibrox and doing the same thing for them.
He declined because it wouldn’t have been the right thing to do to his way of thinking, honesty and integrity being the mark of the foremost fundraiser of his time.
But an uneasy feeling persists that Adam has been airbrushed from Rangers’ history as an embarrassment and an inconvenience.
A banishment which seems to stem from his disagreements with David Murray in the days before the former owner of the club received his knighthood.
Yet on the same weekend Adam died at the age of 87, Alistair Johnston, the former Ibrox chairman, issued a damning verdict on Murray’s final days in charge of Rangers.
Johnston said allowing the club to pass into the hands of Craig Whyte, a man he described as being “addicted to lying and cheating and a chancer” amounted to what was a “heinous offence”.
I checked the dictionary definition of “heinous” – it stands for evil and shocking.
It is, by anyone’s standards, a savage indictment of one Rangers chairman by another to accuse him of having carried out an evil and shocking transaction by delivering the club into the hands of a man who brought it to its knees.
But Johnston is always held up as a reliable and credible witness on all things related to Rangers and would never be exiled for stating his opinion. Or even queried over the motivation for delivering his damning indictment so long after the event.
Adam, on the other hand, seems destined to pass into history having been discredited and dismissed as being nothing other than an old man with an axe to grind, which is as unfair as it is insulting.
The only thing he appears to have been guilty of is being wise ahead of his time. Ten years ago Adam sold 59,000 Rangers shares in the belief they would ultimately prove to be worthless because he lacked faith in the direction the club was taking.
The money man in him made him look at the club’s financial excesses and forecast bankruptcy was the only logical conclusion for Rangers.
Administration, liquidation and relocation to the Third Division, the fate which Rangers suffered in 2012, underlined the accuracy of Adams’ prediction.
Don’t shoot the messenger because you don’t like the message, as if that happens there will need to be a similar sentence passed on Johnston after what he said.
Adam created a phenomenal money-maker for Rangers and funded the redevelopment of their stadium. There were Celtic fans who subscribed to Rangers Pools on a weekly basis because it offered prize money worth winning. Can you imagine that happening today in the prevailing mood of refusing to give the “other lot” the time of day, never mind a cash contribution?
Adam qualifies as a genius for bringing in an £18million windfall that would be equivalent to £70m in today’s money.
That’s why he was coveted by his employer’s greatest rivals when they most needed an inspired fundraiser.
Adam’s passing as a result of heart failure should be marked by recognising his contribution to Rangers and giving him dignity in death.
An SPL commission will determine whether Hugh’s allegation that Rangers used dual contracts to make undisclosed payments to their players was an accurate one. In the meantime, he is entitled to posthumous credit where it is due.
There’s no need to erect any statues and no request for a minute’s applause before Rangers’ next home game.
Just let the man rest in peace knowing that he did his best for the club he worked for.
The rules of personal vendettas seem to be that you fail to acknowledge your own errors and refuse to give credit for the good work done by others.
Hugh deserves better than that.
bellshilltim says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 00:32
Ecobhoy, I tweeted earlier tonight asking if a new chairman had been appointed following Malcolm Murray’s departure. I may have missed it but did think it weird that there was no announcement at the time that he’d left. Has it been discussed on this forum? Has there been discussion elsewhere about him being dismissed? Has he been replaced?
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I haven’t seen any mention of his going or any discussion about it. I also haven’t spotted any mention in the Rangers AIM Prospectus that he was leaving the day after the club floated which does surprise me a bit as TRFCL is possibly the company holding the Ibrox property assets which apparently have played such a big part in procuring institutional investment for RIFC Plc.
Also seems to be no mention on official RFC website. There was discussion before the flotation of a football ‘board’ being formed although I don’t think it mentioned which Rangers company it would be a ‘board’ of. This is the one with a supporters’ rep on it.
While on Rangers official site I noticed a big piece posted by a very hot and bothered Andrew Dickson which starts:
‘IT was most interesting on Hogmanay to discover Celtic had chosen to describe their win over Rangers in April as the ‘last ever derby’ between the clubs on their website. In doing so, they effectively said their stance was the Light Blues had gone out of existence over the summer – something which is completely inaccurate and untrue, of course.’
It goes on in similar vein at great length and is just another indicator of how important it is to the new owners to continue the fiction of the ‘enduring’ club and I have always been convinced the need for this goes way beyond scraps of lamb gristle being thrown to the blue support.
lagerbeer
I’ll reiterate that if TRFC / Sevco wish to be seen as the same club as old Rangers then they must accept the tribunal punishment coming their way. We, as the bampots, must make sure our club Chairmen are clear that a significant punishment for TRFC/Sevco is all we expect, and will accept: 10 year ban, titles stripped and a huge fine (at least £10M)….
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To be the same club they must also pay back all debt, after all, it is part of the history.
Interesting to note that Malcolm Murray had moved on. The Clyde programme yesterday quotes one of our directors referring to “…Chairman, Malcolm Murray who is a real gentleman”. Not enough of a gent to declare that he was not actually the chairman, though. He was mentioned in the same sentence as Charles Green so I suppose everything is relative.
Auldheid (@Auldheid) says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 11:36
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original on KDS: Hugh Keevins stands up for decency..
Lest they forget:
Sunday Mail article on Hugh Adam. No need to click link as copied and pasted.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-owe-hugh-adams-a-debt-1521489
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A decent piece by Keevins, however the cynic in me has to wonder if he would have been so fair to Mr Adam if there wasn’t such disgust shown yesterday.
Where Keevins clearly fails with this piece, is that he conveniently leaves out the huge role the MSM are playing, and have played in doing their Masters bidding in trying to portray Mr Adam as “nothing other than old man with an axe to grind”.
He speaks of “personal vendettas” being to blame for Mr Adams disgraceful treatment, yet as it was Murray who had a personal problem with Mr Adam, can he explain how this “personal vendetta” has resulted in the MSM’s decade long discrediting of Mr Adam?
The fact is, Murray hasn’t personally written statements or articles on Mr Adam. What has been written has came from multiple Media sources and journalists. The Media were the ones writing this nonsense and discrediting a decent man on behalf of Murray.
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Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 02:30
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Thanks for the detailed reply HP. I thought he was given full reign by D&P to act on behalf of RFC(IL) in their day to day business.
Flocculent Apoidea says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 12:32
Interesting to note that Malcolm Murray had moved on. The Clyde programme yesterday quotes one of our directors referring to “…Chairman, Malcolm Murray who is a real gentleman”. Not enough of a gent to declare that he was not actually the chairman, though.
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He is still a non-executive director and chairman of the newly floated RIFC Plc. His directorship of TRFCL – where he was also chairman – is what has been terminated.
Re. the 8+8 +12 or is it 12+!2+ 8?
The SFA have placed ads in all the MSM tomorrow seeking ” Bats wings, frogs legs – all quantities welcomed” .
McMurdo latest:
Even if, as looks very likely, Rangers win the Third Division title this year, it will still leave the club in the bottom tier, should league reconstruction go ahead as is currently mooted.
This will not really trouble most Gers fans as it does not disrupt in any way the timescale expected to reach the top tier again.
Most Rangers supporters are happy to continue on the adventure that sees the club connect again with the grassroots of Scottish football, while buillding the squad into a formidable force that can dominate the game once more in this country.
I think I speak for the vast majority of Rangers fans when I say that exacting revenge upon those seeped in hatred of The Rangers will be something to look forward to.
To that end, I have a very simple proposal:
Do it on the field of play.
Starting now.
Rangers must use this time re-building to inculcate in the team a no mercy or quarter given mentality. Rangers must become the most ruthless team in history, with an indomitable will to crush every opponent in every game.
This merciless attitude must pervade every aspect of the team.
I am not talking about the will to win that is expected of players who don the light blue jersey. I am talking about something way beyond that – a killer instinct that makes the team feared by every opponent.
All the stuff about making friends on the journey is still valid. But that is a job for club officials and fans. The playing staff of Rangers must be honed into a machine that crushes all opposition.
If this attitude is adopted and developed now, it will strike terror into the hearts of opponents by the time the Rangers team works its way up the leagues.
Rangers fans must lose the attitude that 1-1 draws at home with a 10-man Elgin team are acceptable because it’s an off day and we are waltzing the league anyway.
It’s time for everybody connected with Rangers to say that no matter what happens off the pitch, the wrath of Rangers will most definitely be shown on it. I know that channelling the hurt and anger of the past months onto the field of play is the path favoured by many ex-players as the means of exacting revenge.
Rangers must go all out to annihilate the opposition in every game the team plays.
I have no doubt that Ally McCoist the player would have been up for that.
The question is: Is Ally McCoist the manager?
If the answer is yes, then Super Ally could become the Bill Struth of his generation.
No mercy.
torrejohnbhoy @ 13:31
More deluded raving from McMurdo then
Sevco are incapable of crushing and grape, or annihilating a humble fish supper
Still pieces such as his do brighten up gloomy winter Sunday afternoons
“Most Rangers supporters are happy to continue on the adventure that sees the club connect again with the grassroots of Scottish football”
Dear Mr McMurdo, RFC(IL) are in the 4th tier of Scottish football and are NOT playing/connecting with the grass roots of Scottish football in any shape or form. Your team are playing in leagues well above this level so please get your facts correct. In my opinion, you should be playing in the “grass roots football” leagues and working your way up, not benefitting from the bending over backwards by the SFA/SFL/SPL to shoe horn you back into a place that was well deserving of other teams/clubs before you.
iamacant says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 14:53
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If reconstruction goes ahead this summer then the reward for winning div 3 will almost certainly be another season in the bottom tier.
How does this sit with Greens plan to increase ST prices by at least 20% I think it was?.
Re McMurdo latest
his ruthless [change this to toothless] machine had some cogs that seem to be slipping gears ,against ten men at that,his use of words, annihilate,exacting revenge,,wrath,,hurt & anger,strike terror,formidable force,dominate,seeped in hatred ,no mercy or quarter given,crush every opponent,merciless attitude ,killer instinct , feared by every opponent , honed into a machine that crushes all opposition ,strike terror into the hearts of opponents ,forgive my ignorance but where these words used in an article meant to be talking about a football club and if so ,we are in deep trouble if such a club is allowed to continue,the above words are all from his rantings ,heaven will not be able to help Scotland as a counrty never mind our football
torrejohnbhoy @ 13:31
McMurdo Piece
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Nice to see Charlie’s Gallic influence spreading with ‘No Surrender’ being replaced by No Mercy (sans mercie).
The McMurdo tone is straight from WW1 with a fight to the death call. I can only assume that Junior would not have been one of those decent men from all sides who played football at Christmas in No Man’s Land.
And I have no doubt that any decent human being of a football player would wan’t nothing to do with a club with an annihilation agenda. Ffs it’s a game and victory is important but the tone of the language in the piece just isn’t real and if McMurdo truly believes his ravings then he urgently requires medical treatment.
He either doesn’t know or chooses to forget that off-the-field many players are friends and also that no true professional footballer will get anywhere if his motivation in life or football is built on hatred.
Still I did have a smile at his comment: ‘I know that channelling the hurt and anger of the past months onto the field of play is the path favoured by many ex-players as the means of exacting revenge.’ And I can’t help but wonder whether these ex-players were EBT recipients 🙂
Next McMurdo will want another share issue to raise “one hundred billion dollars” for a “giant laser” to aim at his enemies. Mwahahahaha.
Flocculent
Lets not be too surprised that at their next game ,11 Daleks roll out onto the park,now apply his words.This is what he is allowing us to imagine.makes the nutty proffesor a really good guy to know
Yourhavingalaugh,
The daleks would need to be under 18.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20926259
explains why uefa will not take action against oldrangers/sevcorangers for going to the CoS, as taking disputes outside the football governing bodies, as breaching the rules of the game
– is it not?
torrejohnbhoy says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 13:31
McMurdo latest:
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Far be it from me to invoke Godwin’s Law …
but McMurdo’s piece reads like the sort of exhortation to Total War that Mr Goebbels’ Ministry of Public Enlightenment produced after the Germans got their hides tanned at Stalingrad. It’s actually quite shocking and will contribute to breaking the siege mentality and a switch to the directly offensive (… yes, I know).
yourhavingalugh – best watch those Dalek references. The bears will think you’re insulting them again!
McMurdo just about sums it up from his view as a Sevco fan (and no doubt like the vast majority of Sevco fans) hampden last week being a example.
Nothing but underlying hatred, no sign of any remorse, deluded about the playing ability of his team. The refereeing situation, All the red cards. The adventure where no team that they visit can state that they are a newco without an explosion of bile.
Is it me or was McMurdo dying to finish his blog with NO SURRENDER but had to fight his inner demon and resort to . No mercy.
Oops butterfingers,
Continued………..
And no amount of MSM spin can take that away, mcmurdo should be taken to task for his blog he is on dangerous ground with his rantings.
I believe the SFA Arbitration Committee has a preliminary meeting tomorrow (MON) to deal with the compensation issue re the Rangers players who walked away – I suppose they could now justify their actions by saying they never signed-up to slaughter their opponents but just to play football 🙂
However, this SFA Arbitration Committee is one of the lowest stunts pulled by the SFA in the whole Sevco affair IMHO. Just to remind: Alan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty, Rhys McCabe, Sone Aluko, Steven Davis, John Fleck, Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker and Jamie Ness refused to Tupe from RFC 2012 Plc (IA) to Sevco Scotland Ltd and walked away although arrangements were later made in relation to Davis, Fleck and McCabe.
Green demanded compensation for the others and Arbitration proceedings were commenced on 5 July 2012 under Article 99 of the SFA Articles of Association. However, on that date The Rangers Football Club Ltd (TRFCL) wasn’t a member of the SFA so you would think that was a No No.
But in yet another ‘blue rescue’ the SFA agreed that RFC 2012 Plc (IA) could bring the arbitration proceedings but that any compensation won would be payable to TRFCL and D&P confirmed that RFC 2012 Plc (IA) had no financial interest in the case. This begs the question as to why RFC 2012 Plc (IA) were allowed to ‘front’ arbitration proceedings if they had no financial interest.
And there is also the awkward question that if the only way compensation could be achieved was through RFC 2012 Plc (IA) then D&P IMHO should have acted on behalf of the creditors and claimed 75% of any compensation paid-out. One wonders whether BDO has cottoned-on to this move.
The Players’ Union has challenged TRFCL’s rights to participate in the process in any capacity and tomorrow’s preliminary hearing will settle the jurisdictional challenge and if RFCL is successful it will proceed to a full hearing in March/April 2013.
I am unclear now that TRFCL has SFA membership whether RFC 2012 Plc (IA) or even RFC 2012 Plc (IL) is no longer the party bringing the action but has been conveniently substituted by TRFCL at some stage. Oh what a tangled web is woven by the SFA and anything seems possible.
Here we have a quote from the official website of Green’s team (article from Sat., 05 Jan 2013 15:26, apologies if posted previously):
“When Rangers were at their lowest ebb a few months ago, the likes of Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian seemed to be most keen to keep them pinned down.”
Will the SFA be asking for an explanation? This appears to be the first time the new club’s official site has named the clubs who they see as being the biggest enemy.
I’m wondering just why these three have been grouped together.
it’s not often you hear the word “annihilation” used in football.
thanks bill.
now where’s that video…..
From Daniel Brown on twitter.
Same club indeed. Try click on 88.
http://t.co/UC77bTSv
ohhappydayz says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 16:22
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From Daniel Brown on twitter.
Same club indeed. Try click on 88.
http://t.co/UC77bTSv
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And teams 105 and 150, hmmm, what do of these all Clubs have in common?
ohhappydayz says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 16:22
All that is telling us that there was a team called Rangers FC who have participated in European Competition in the last five years, and they did. We will have to revisit the site in 5 years time to see what it states.
ordinaryfan @ 16:43
It’s just a simple mistake
Charlie will be sending a strongly worded letter to UEFA, pointing out that Sevco should not be treated in the same way as other defunct clubs 🙂
ordinaryfan says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 16:43
ohhappydayz says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 16:22
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From Daniel Brown on twitter.
Same club indeed. Try click on 88.
http://t.co/UC77bTSv
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And teams 105 and 150, hmmm, what do of these all Clubs have in common?
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Did their holding Companies get liquidated?.
Flocculent Apoidea says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 15:20
Yourhavingalaugh,
The daleks would need to be under 18.
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The Daleks would not get up the Marble Stairs!
Ready for TD, but as a helpful point of information, UEFA’s coefficient list only allows clubs to be clickable if they are in the top divisions of their respective countries.
As examples, you cannot click on Portsmouth, Birmingham City, Falkirk or Queen of the South.
Still better to indicate that Neath, Sporting Fingal and FC Unirea Urziceni are on the list, and all are defunct.
borussiabeefburg says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:03
Ready for TD, but as a helpful point of information, UEFA’s coefficient list only allows clubs to be clickable if they are in the top divisions of their respective countries.
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Yep. This was discussed before either here or on RTC.
A nice touch by UEFA to put a lovely pic of Lennon holding the SPL trophy aloft on the “Rangers” UEFA page … RM/FF obviously haven’t noticed that, or they’d be apoplectic. 🙂
http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/domestic/
SR stating early last year that there would be no SPL2 next season. Having listened to the interview again SR takes no blame for any decisions made re Sevco.
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/113256-in-full-sfa-chief-executive-stewart-regan-on-rangers/
angus1983 says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:36
A nice touch by UEFA to put a lovely pic of Lennon holding the SPL trophy aloft on the “Rangers” UEFA page … RM/FF obviously haven’t noticed that, or they’d be apoplectic
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And indeed they are….here’s one of ra Berrs sounding off to Chris Graham.
https://twitter.com/maestromccall
angus1983 says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:36
borussiabeefburg says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:03
Ready for TD, but as a helpful point of information, UEFA’s coefficient list only allows clubs to be clickable if they are in the top divisions of their respective countries.
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Yep. This was discussed before either here or on RTC.
A nice touch by UEFA to put a lovely pic of Lennon holding the SPL trophy aloft on the “Rangers” UEFA page … RM/FF obviously haven’t noticed that, or they’d be apoplectic.
http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/domestic/
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was there not also an issue around the “aye ready” badge.
i thought i read somewhere that sevco can’t use the oldco’s “aye ready” badge
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and also torrejohnbhoy posted this
– BDO confirms Rangers are dead. The business, the club, the whole stinking mess. Bye Bye. http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/27190/notices/44 …
From Trfc website.
“When Rangers were at their lowest ebb a few months ago, the likes of Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian seemed to be most keen to keep them pinned down.”
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I am delighted to see Celtic mentioned. I am surprised that Aberdeen are not named as i believe they have been as vocal as the other clubs mentioned. I will try not to read too much into the fact that Celtic, Hibs and D Utd are traditionally recognised as being diametrically opposed to the rangers ethos.
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From Trfc website.
“When Rangers were at their lowest ebb a few months ago, the likes of Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian seemed to be most keen to keep them pinned down.”
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I am delighted to see Celtic mentioned. I am surprised that Aberdeen are not named as i believe they have been as vocal as the other clubs mentioned. I will try not to read too much into the fact that Celtic, Hibs and D Utd are traditionally recognised as being diametrically opposed to the rangers ethos.
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Rab, try as I might, I cannot think of any connection between the 3 clubs named??????? Can anyone point to reason why Green would identify Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian??????
Its a mystery??????? 😉
I take it that no-one from Celtic has been carpeted for stating the truth about rangers in the review of the year on the official website. Whats up Charlie, can you only bully the Falkirks and Montroses of this world ( no disrespect to both distinguished clubs).
After watching Suarez blatantly cheat today, I have to make this comment on Sporting Integrity.
Liverpool football club should be ashamed of this performance.
Little Mansfield paid a touching tribute to the fallen LFC fans by leaving 96 seats empty with the dead names on them.
Even if LFC now go on and win the cup, this will be a Tainted title in the truest form of that word.
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Rab, try as I might, I cannot think of any connection between the 3 clubs named??????? Can anyone point to reason why Green would identify Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian??????
Its a mystery???????
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sure is a mystery, as rod petrie was part of the “secret” discussions (emails)
to shoehorn the brand new sevco franchise into scottish football in front of spartans etc.
This is SO right!!!
Stolen from CM/footyboards, etc
The seven deadly sins of the Sevconian
The erratic, crazed and deluded behaviour of Sevconians continues to be a source of both wonder and amusement. The root of it is a narcissist mindset having to come to terms with supporting a club that was liquidated and its successor plying its trade at the bottom level of Scottish football.
Hotchkiss the psychotherapist and leading expert on the narcissist mindset has developed a number of key characteristics which she terms as the ‘Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism’
It goes a long way to helping us understand the troubled and confused mind of the sevconian.
Number 5 is particularly poignant
1. Shamelessness – Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2. Magical thinking – Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3. Arrogance – A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
4. Envy – A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person’s ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
5. Entitlement – Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Any failure to comply will be considered an attack on their superiority and the perpetrator is considered to be an “awkward” or “difficult” person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
6. Exploitation – can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
7. Bad Boundaries – narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist will be treated as if they are part of the narcissist and be expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.
Arabest1.
Lol. I blame Darren Jackson.
angus1983 says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:36
borussiabeefburg says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 17:03
Ready for TD, but as a helpful point of information, UEFA’s coefficient list only allows clubs to be clickable if they are in the top divisions of their respective countries.
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Yep. This was discussed before either here or on RTC.
A nice touch by UEFA to put a lovely pic of Lennon holding the SPL trophy aloft on the “Rangers” UEFA page … RM/FF obviously haven’t noticed that, or they’d be apoplectic.
http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/domestic/
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was there not also an issue around the “aye ready” badge.
i thought i read somewhere that sevco can’t use the oldco’s “aye ready” badge
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and also torrejohnbhoy posted this
– BDO confirms Rangers are dead. The business, the club, the whole stinking mess. Bye Bye. http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/27190/notices/44 …
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rab
have you got a link to the part of the celtic website you referred to ?
Paulsatim.
8. WATP
From McMurdo, to Graham, the rhetoric is laughable…..’crushing enemies’, ‘boycotting UEFA, till FIFA sort it out’…they really think they are important. I find the attitude of Sevconians similarly funny, strutting around in a display of petulant peacockery like they matter!
I couldn’t really care less about the future trajectory of Mr Green’s bastard offspring of RFC, what I do care about is the record being set straight. It would be unfair to lumber Green’s regime with the consequences of Murray or Whyte, that I would accept, but if (and after the BTC it may be a big if!) LNS uncovers illegally registered players performing in matches over a decade, ANY GAME INVOLVING SUCH PLAYERS SHOULD HAVE THE RESULT OVERTURNED AND A 3-0 SCORE IN FAVOUR OF THE OPPONENTS (RE)WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD BOOKS. THE AUTOMATIC CONSEQUENCE WILL BE RECINDED TIITLES, IF THE POINTS TOTAL IS CHANGED SUFFICIENTLY.
Further, the awarding of titles to those who lost out is IMO a non starter, we can only go with what happened, and what happened is RFC tainted a decade of football in this country, and this cannot be undone by the somewhat pathetic sight of tainted titles being redistributed. RFC are gone, and their cheating will be forever etched on the history of the game. Liquidation and branded cheats in perpetuity……….that would do me.
Watching the news earlier and there was a bit about the potential restoration of the Lyceum cinema in Govan. It’s a fantastic old building, built on the site of the original Lyceum Theatre when that burnt down sometime in the 1930’s, but is now sadly in a state of disrepair. A guy associated with the campaign said there was nothing for the people of Govan to do for entertainment adding that Govan desperately needed an entertainment hub. Shocking. I smell another boycott….
Jimlarkin.
Its at the end of the May review.
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3518
Sorry Jim, its in April.
Re McMurdo’s rant
IMO this sums up the shambles the decisions made by SFA/SPL regards the ragers debacle .
His rant is full of rage and vengeance built up with the myth that ragers and sevco 2012 has been dealt with harshly when the overwhelming evidence is to the contrary.
They have not only sat back and allowed this absurd illusion to be propagated throughout our game ,they have actively encouraged it and this is the outcome .
They now have a new club who’s fanbase is hellbent on vengance ,anger and seek retribution on a near weekly basis .
There is now no voice of remorse ,regret and any chance of admitting their wrongdoing and a need for paying their dues and moving on .No that chance is now long gone thanks to the SFA/SPL/ MSM and sevco 2012 themselves .
You reap what you sow and the bitter harvest is now begining to sprout .Let’s pray for a drought
Just looking at the latest on the reconstruction and it dawned on my old paranoid self that ‘The Rangers’ could finish fourth, third, second, or first in the second group of eight and be promoted in their final year.
Are the authorities just covering their proverbial backsides just in case ‘The Rangers’ cannot actually win the First Division when they get there?
As it currently stands they would have to win the league to qualify for promotion to the SPL. I know it’s a moot point anyway as Chas has said they would never play in the SPL while he was there.
Anyone know anything about Rangers For Change LTD?
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/rangers-for-change
A director called Stephen Mabbott was also a director of 4TL Limited:
http://www.creditgate.com/company_information/4tl+limited.aspx
alongside a Mr Michael Jonathan Sevenoaks who had a company based in Aberdeen in 2002-3 called Sevco Systems Limited.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/SC218918#shareholders
Probably nothing, but a company called Sevco linked to one called Rangers For Change might be worth looking into.
rab says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 19:29
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..of course, you’ve cracked it Rab! 😉
Paulsatim, now I know a guy who used to own a football club who hits the spot on every one of them !!!
Don’t know what all the fuss is about
The facts don`t lie
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Sevco Scotland Ltd
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 29/05/2012
Name & Registered Office:
Ibrox Stadium
150 Edmiston Dr
Glasgow
G51 2XD
Company No. SC425159
First match 29 July 2012- Ramsden Cup
Brechin 1 – 2 Sevco Scotland
Date of Name change registered at Companies House
31 July 2012
New Name – The Rangers Football Club Ltd
Previous Name – Sevco Scotland
Second Match 11 Aug 2012 3rd Div
Peterhead 2-2 The Rangers Football Club
Allegedly ……..
christyboy says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 21:37
Really think most of their follow followers do!
This is a good read:
http://www.theawayend.net/articles/opinion/1405-new-league-split-may-finally-spell-armageddon
New league split may finally spell armageddon
By Andrew Southwick:
If you were a little naive, more open to persuasion than others, than you may very well be surprised to be here just now. Armageddon was meant to have hit; from scholars past and present predicting destruction at the end of the Mayan calender, to journalists past and new prophesying carnage at the loss of Rangers from the SPL.
Until now though, we’ve done okay. The world is still intact, though if you tuned into STV the other night expecting to see FA Cup highlights and were instead met with Kelly Osbourne’s life stories, you would be forgiven for thinking the apocalypse was well underway.
In Scottish football, the stories of how we couldn’t survive without the status quo headlining our league have not yet come to fruition.
Rangers vast support in the third division is strengthening the game from the bottom up, while in the SPL itself fans are enjoying the tightest league in years, some good football, and some excellent youth players emerging.
No-one has said that reconstruction isn’t needed for our game, but what certainly isn’t welcome is someone coming along and derailing the good things we do have going for us with a barmy 12-12-18 set-up, complete with a mid-season 8-8-8 split, that may well bring about the death of our game when we were just starting to think we had survived.
There are three main things the majority of Scottish football fans want. An end to four games a season against the same opponent, fair promotion and relegation, and an all inclusive pyramid system. Sadly, all three wishes may never happen any time soon.
Loss of Rangers accelerated SPL reconstruction plans. Photo by Gary McLaughlin
What is alarming, is that we appear to be going for a set-up that solves none of our current problems, and will likely create new ones.
Let’s look ahead to the exciting possibilities that await us under the 12-12-18 proposal.
After 22 games, the top two leagues – the SPL and a newly created SPL2, would split into three mini-leagues of eight.
The top and bottom divisions carry on as normal, facing each other twice more, while the middle division – comprising of the bottom four teams from the SPL and the top four from SPL2 – would begin at zero points and over the course of 14 games decide the promotion and relegation placings.
Still with us?
In the mind of Neil Doncaster and various SPL chairmen, it appears to be an exciting prospect. However let’s consider how it changes things.
At the moment, in an albeit far from perfect set-up, St Mirren are just seven points off a potential European spot (4th place could have a Europa League place depending on who wins the Scottish Cup). However, they have played 22 games and are below the top eight, so in this new split they would now find their European hopes taken away, and instead they start from scratch and begin a relegation fight.
Ross County have currently only played 20 games. They could potentially win both and move themselves into the top eight, and put themselves within five points of second, or just three from the potential European place in 4th. However, forget that, because all Dundee United need to do is take a point from their game in hand with Celtic and therefore Ross County, instead of making a historic bid for Europe, are instead fighting relegation.
Imagine racking up win after win, knowing that these could be going towards finishing as high up the table as possible and getting a crack at Europe, but instead knowing they’re simply helping you finish above teams you already finished above six months ago when you originally earned promotion.
It’s exciting isn’t it? That should get the crowds going up and increase the TV exposure.
So how does that help these clubs, or help the development of our game? Will the standard of football rise when you introduce fear rather than a carrot of success? Did we not say the ten team set-up put clubs off playing youth players, which was the reason for increasing the numbers in the first place?
Then of course there’s Dundee. After a handful of games when it became evident they wouldn’t finish above the bottom four, where’s the motivation for them when the important games essentially don’t begin until January? Why should Dundee fans descend on Dens Park for the first few months of the season when any points they are playing for, any wins they do manage to get, will simply be scrapped come the winter break?
What about Partick Thistle? Does this barmy new plan actually help Jackie McNamara’s side gain promotion, because a potential four promotion spots have been opened up instead of one? Let’s look again.
At the moment they sit in 3rd place in the first division, two points off the top in what is turning out to be a mouth watering three-way fight for the title between the Jags, Dunfermline and Morton.
They have two games in hand though, against Cowdenbeath and Hamilton Accies. Win both and they’re four points clear. Considering the split wouldn’t happen until after 22 games, they could have another three fixtures to perhaps increase their lead a bit more.
What gives them more chance of promotion? Continuing the season with a four point lead over their rivals, with what should be play-off spots below for those that miss out?
Or, having all their points taken away and starting again? Rendering that 5-1 win earlier in the season against Dunfermline as meaningless. Making the last month or two nothing more than warm-up games once they’d essentially booked their place in the top four.
More importantly, now not only are they being asked to get themselves back above their first division rivals, but also ahead of at least one SPL team should they want promotion. Where is the fairness in that? No team should top their division and be denied a step up the ladder, and this isn’t a step up the ladder, it’s a mini-league where they’ll be at a disadvantage from the off.
Take into account that when a side is promoted to the SPL, they usually need to strengthen in order to compete. Dundee didn’t have enough time to do that this summer due to the Rangers/Newco situation, and look at how they have struggled.
Your four first division teams facing off against the SPL quartet would also have just a matter of weeks to prepare for battle against four clubs with bigger budgets. As good and competitive as Thistle, Morton and Dunfermline have been at the top of the first division, can you see them finishing above Hearts, Ross County or St Mirren – their potential opponents based on current league placings? Can you even see them finishing above Dundee should they, in any normal season, have had a reasonable time to budget and adjust to the higher division?
At best, you might see one team promoted. Rarely, you might see two. Often, you will see none.
So what problems have we solved?
A fairer set-up? No.
Extending the SPL to allow more teams the opportunity to get in? No.
A fairer distribution of money? Possibly, but you’ve taken away the carrot of European football for some and replaced it with a relegation fight – they’ll likely suffer from lack of exposure, a struggle to keep players in the January transfer window, and a drop in crowds.
Better youth development? Who will play youth players if they know they only have 22 games to safeguard the rest of the season, and then potentially just 14 games to stay in the SPL?
Cutting out playing the same teams too often? There might be a bit of variety for the teams in the middle split of eight teams, but that’s about it.
It could be said that anything is worth trying once. The thing this, this idea HAS been tried before, and seemingly didn’t work.
The Austrian league gave it a go. And on Saturday UEFA general secretary David Taylor commented:
“They tried it for six or seven years. It’s not there any longer.”
He added: “Each country has to find its own solution but each country can learn from others’ experiences.
“You don’t have to repeat the mistakes of others.”
And there you have it. It didn’t work in Austria, so why are we giving it a go?
Albert Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Neil Doncaster, it’s over to you.
David Longmuir made some sensible comments on league reconstruction yesterday on Sportsound. The focus on the likelihood of moving to 12/12/18 in response has led to other points he made being somewhat overlooked.
The top tier of Scottish football has suffered from three major flaws which may all be addressed in the coming months.
Firstly any attempt at meaningful reform has been locked by the 11/1 voting majority required and the conflicting interests of Celtic & Rangers and the other 10. This would end. Longmuir indicated that 75% may be the new criteria. We have to see how this will work in practice, but a new governance structure with achievable majorities will mean a greater ability to adapt, so if for example the current 12/12/18 proposal is enacted and doesn’t work, it should be easier to change it.
Secondly, the allocation of income within the SPL with 1/3 to the top two teams, would change. What the new allocation will be is unclear, but could see a more credible provision to the second tier. For example, a top 12 allocation of say 9.5% – 1st to 4% – 12th, decreasing by 0.5% steps, would enable 19% of income to feed down to the second tier, enabling a substantial smoothing of the income “curve” and mitigating the financial cliff that relegated top tier teams currently face.
Fear of that cliff has motivated top tier teams to minimise relegation from / promotion to the top tier. But the new proposal potentially enables 4 teams (yes or none) to move up or down each year from the top tier, so potentially more change at the top.
Longmuir also indicated that there was likely to be one merged League body which should be welcomed by the many who have called for this for years.
So what of 12/12/18? Well most fans would like to see a bigger top flight but getting that to work leads to commercial and competition quality problems. Longmuir referred to getting administrative issues resolved so that the League could then concentrate on how to grow the pie instead of how to slice up a smaller pie. It is not hard to imagine that TV and other sponsors could be less interested in a bigger top tier with less games between “top” teams. While Doncaster developed a deserved reputation for sophistry last year, it’s not stretching credibility to believe there is some truth in this. In short, it wouldn’t be growing the pie if we had a bigger League that saw TV income massively reduced. Nor would a 16 team league with income from 15 home games instead of 18 or 19. Many who saw the era of bigger leagues also say that meaningless games were a problem with consequently diminishing interest.
The details will be key. What is the proposed income allocation and governance structure? What will be the relegation / promotion between tiers 2 and 3? Will the pyramid be extended as surely an 18 team league with no relegation will be a total turn off? Encouragingly Longmuir accepted a need for greater transparency. Maybe the details will be clearly set out?.
One thing that is clear is that TRFC will require two further promotions to reach the top flight if this set up is introduced next season, no different to the present situation, albeit promotion from second to first tier will be easier after this change. Winning the third this season would however effectively be rendered inconsequential by these changes (as they would remain in the lowest tier).
For those who regard self confessed habitual cynic Turnbull Hutton as a reliable barometer, he was positive on Saturday about developments in recent weeks. I don’t suggest conversion to blind faith in this process but equally I’m wary of reflex knee jerk negativity. Those in charge have a job to do to sell their plans. I’ll keen an open mind until I hear what they have to say.
ecobhoy says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 16:05
‘….I am unclear now that TRFCL has SFA membership whether RFC 2012 Plc (IA) or even RFC 2012 Plc (IL) is no longer the party bringing the action but has been conveniently substituted by TRFCL at some stage. Oh what a tangled web is woven by the SFA and anything seems possible.–
Good post, ecobhoy, and particularly your ‘ One wonders whether BDO has cottoned-on to this move’ comment.( Perhaps you could send them a wee note?)
It is a dog’s dinner of a legal mess, both under ordinary civil law and under ‘football’ law.
If CG succeeds in proving to the Arbitration panel that his new club IS the same legal person with whom the players signed their contracts ( in other words, that the new club is legally RFC)
and that he therefore has rights to compensation for them ‘walking away’), he will have made it easier for LNS ( if the ‘side-letters’ enquiry establishes RFC guilt in that matter) to get at the ‘new’ club when it comes to sanctions.
That is, rather than only being able to fining a dead club and/or remove titles, his Tribunal could apply sanctions such as expulsion or suspension to the new club!
It might also thereafter be easier for HMRC to nail the new club for back taxes etc.
I would not be at all surprised if CG withdrew his claim and cut his imagined ‘losses’, rather than face that possibility.
Or am I entering fantasy land , in which the SFA have , entirely accidentally and in their eagerness to accommodate the barra boy, actually contributed to his downfall by deeming his club to be the old club?
http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/index.shtml
So Rangers For Change were Bomber RANGERS FOR CHANGE LTD
»Home»RANGERS FOR CHANGE LTD»Directors
Directors and Company Secretaries
Brian Reid Ltd.
18 Jul 2012 ⇒ 18 Jul 2012 (1 Day ) Company Secretary
Stephen Mabbott
18 Jul 2012 ⇒ 18 Jul 2012 (1 Day ) Director
Official Related Documents
25 Jul 2012 TM01 – Ending appointment as Director
APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, DIRECTOR STEPHEN MABBOTT
25 Jul 2012 TM02 – Ending appointment as Secretary
APPOINTMENT TERMINATED, SECRETARY BRIAN REID LTD.
Why are we bothering what Longmuir says. He has presided over leagues that have been going nowhere. he has never got a tv deal…until this season.
Its the tail wagging the dog.
What is being proposed is just the same beiger shade of white.
If that is the best they can come up with,there is no point upsetting the current tv deal which I know is poor but we would be negotiating from a position of weakness. We need to improve relegation / promotion with playoffs. We do not need a 12 12 18, that would be just dumb.
Sorry posted by accident.
Basically Rangers For Change is Bomber Browns mob, this was started up to challenge Charlie Greens ownership.
Mabott and Reid the Secretary and Director joined and left in the same day?
ordinaryfan says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 20:48
Anyone know anything about Rangers For Change LTD?
a director called Stephen Mabbott
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I know that name from somewhere. I have a feeling Mabbott operates an “off the shelf” company service so therefore his name and a member of his staff will appear as the original directors of his pre-registered list of companies. Once a buyer hands over his cash Mabbott will arrange for the new owner(s) to be registered. He will also dealt with any change of trading name.
Longmuir is being touted him for top job for a reason. This man cannot be trusted and looks like he is being lined up to be another strategically placed man of the Establishment. The fact that the MSM have taken to showering Longmuir with compliments tells you everything you need to know.
Thanks Tommy.
ordinaryfan says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 22:52
Tommy is correct, Stephen works for Miller Bryce now, a really nice guy whom Ive used previously for share re allocation & memorandum of assoc.
goosygoosy says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 21:38
gg is this printed somewhere, or have you just gathered the facts together?
ordinaryfan says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 22:50
“Longmuir is being touted for top job for a reason. This man cannot be trusted and looks like he is being lined up to be another strategically placed man of the Establishment. The fact that the MSM have taken to showering Longmuir with compliments tells you everything you need to know.”
Totally agree with this as confirmed by everything in MSM recently. ‘Best of totally stinking, rancid, rotten bunch’ just will not do.
Longmuir went on record congratulating Sevco on their recent birthday celebrations and stating how welcome they were in the SFL. Clearly he is one who considers them to be the same club.
Trust this man, never.
i take it nobody is up for trying to take the game away from longmuir, regan, doncaster and ogilvie and actually taking the baw back before we all get shafted for the last time and our game finally dies?
danish pastry seems the only one who sees the merits in the dog (fans) wagging the tail (our game).
these guys are in it for a wage not for the love of the game, whatever happens these clowns will be fine, cant say the same for the clubs though.
ordinaryfan says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 22:50
‘looks like he is being lined up to be another strategically placed man of the Establishment..’
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Thinking about it, Longmuir’s performance on Sportsound -going direct to a large radio public rather than speaking to a press conference- should really have miffed the print hacks!
And having Turnbull with him on air at least (or were they physically in the same place?) was no doubt a very coldly calculated ploy.
And the whole ‘consultation’ process with the clubs would leave me wondering which clubs were being told what, and when, with ‘insiders’ favourable to the proposals being subtly used to build up the belief that there was already a consensus by the time the message was being delivered to the ‘outsiders’
Having said that, I have to say that the clubs are still businesses, trying to do the best thing for themselves by doing the best for the game as they see it.
My concern is that they accept ,and act on, the principle that without sporting integrity , there will be no game, no business, sooner or later. Betray that principle, the game dies.
If Turnbull had been able to say categorically that whatever is proposed is neither intended to be, nor could actually be, a fast track for getting a new third division club into the top division sooner than would otherwise be the case, then I would have been a lot happier.
I may have missed something, or be too thick to understand,but I didn’t hear any such statement.
Not till we learn the detail of the proposals will we be able to judge.
I wait with interest.
john clarke says:
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 22:29
Re: SFA Arbitration Proceedings
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John – There is another possible wee twist that I didn’t mention in that apparently the original RFC 2012 (IA) assets went first to Sevco 5088 Ltd before being transferred to Sevco Scotland Ltd which eventually became TRFCL.
If that was the case then there would have been two Tupe events IMHO although I’m not sure whether the Players’ Union are aware that this might have be the case.
Got to agree that Longmuir is not to be trusted. I believe the establishment have plans for him to be at the helm for a long time. There was a lot of criticism towards the SPL with regards to a deal being struck to strip titles from the old rangers1872 before the LNS report, saying they have not been found guilty of anything yet. But Longmuir came out around the same time saying he had no intention of stripping cups from them, now is’nt that not the same thing judgement before a verdict? He nailed his colours firmly to the mast early on, and imo this has cemented his eventual rise to the top of our game.
Good critical piece from The Away End on reconstruction:
http://www.theawayend.net/articles/opinion/1405-new-league-split-may-finally-spell-armageddon
Playing 5’s tonight and a few of the boys had their 5 star tops and shorts on. Made me think maybe on the new strip they are in recognition of the 5 star agreement Sevco got , just a thought 🙂
Re; Hugh Adam’s obituary in Saturday’s Herald.
I wrote to the Editor expressing my disgust at the ‘tribute’ it published. I have just received a reply from the assistant editor. Although his e-mail is confidential, he has informed me that the newspaper intends to publish an appreciation of Mr Adam.
I sincerely hope that this will redress the disgusting character assassination that the editor sanctioned in Saturday’s article.