The purpose of The Scottish Football Monitor is to pay homage to, and carry on the work of the groundbreaking RangersTaxCase blog (RTC). The aim of the Scottish Football Monitor is to cast a questioning and watchful eye on Scottish Football officialdom and the compliant mainstream media (MSM).
Scottish football, in the immediate wake of the Rangers FC liquidation, faces great challenges. The MSM have provided no sensible checks or balances on the actions of the authorities. The Scottish Football Monitor aims to provide those checks and balance.
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Is there any word on restructuring the spl voting structure away from 11-1
and will Kilmarnock act as a proxy for you know who to block any reform?
bangordub says:
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The League has been reconstructed with a Summer emphasis and, guess what, matches when fans want to watch them!
I’m not suggesting the SFA should do the same but the point is that the fans were listened to, something was done and the result is great.(my edit)
My tin hat is now on
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Bangordub…no need for your tin hat!
And why should the SFA listen to the fans, as your association did? This is the Scottish FA after all, and our “heavily conflicted” chairman would not “hear” of it.
This nonsense about fans sneaking in I am sure, is just Charles Green’s way of not paying further taxes…No M’lud, those naughty boysngirls snuck in without paying – we only received payments from 20,000 good honest folk.
We’re a good, tax paying club don’t you know.
This nonsense about fans sneaking in I am sure, is just Charles Green’s way of not paying further taxes…No M’lud, those naughty boysngirls snuck in without paying – we only received payments from 20,000 good honest folk.
We’re a good, tax paying club don’t you know.
TSFM on August 8, 2012 at 01:24
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I had a few requests to allow threaded comments, but on balance I thought that, for now at any rate, the familiar model of RTC would be better for the sake of continuity
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Captain Haddock
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Of course there are other issues in Scottish football…
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Hi SFM,
I am one who has requested multiple threads, otherwise salient points in important topics get buried amongst ongoing Rangers debates
Eg how long until this becomes the biggest issue in Scottish Football;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/8555881/Fifa-investigating-unusual-betting-patterns-in-international-between-Nigeria-and-Argentina.html
anyone have some money on a draw at Brechin?
Grumpy this morning. I knew I should haven’t dipped into Stunney’s paper-bag. But I did. There was a photo of Kevin Kyle and Francisco Sandaza holding up a shrunken blue shirt. Kyle says – “Its Rangers it doesn’t get bigger than this.” Go on Francisco, your Spanish give him a clue….
From the BBC
Rangers manager Ally McCoist : “We have signed, in my opinion, real quality – possibly Kilmarnock’s best player last year in Dean Shiels and possibly Hearts best player last year in Ian Black. ”
As someone said earlier – shameless, absolutely shameless.
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I hear that Sandaza & Kyle are both on the bench.
If this is a cup game that was scheduled to be played on Saturday then moved to tonight, when was the signing deadline??
I’ll have a guess it was last Friday at 5pm, another rule broken.
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I think they were eligible from a quick glance at this
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/docs/League_Cup_Competition_Rules.pdf
Curious rule jumped out at me
6.1.3 Not more than three substitutes from each Club shall warm up on the pitch
perimeter at any one time
the taxman cometh says:
August 7, 2012 at 20:14
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That’s possibly a wee bit harsh.
No club HAS to apply to move up! I doubt if Spartans’ decidion not to was motivated by a desire to ease the path either for a non-existent club of for a brand new club .
There would be a really great story, though, if there was any hint that Spartans had been bought off by sweeteners from the SFA. Not that the MSM would ever report it, of course.
I seriously doubt, however, that Spartans would ever accept such a sweetener: but I would not put it past the authorities to try to offer one, such has been there desperate readiness to accommodate the dead club/ new club.
And I am not by nature a cynical man.
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Just guessing, but I suspect Spartans would have thought about the negative spin on their application by MSM, should they have gone up against Sevco, not to mention the potential for
having trouble heaped on their dooor by some of the more rabid Sevco followers. I’d hazard that Spartans may well have thought “we’ll give it a miss this time”
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Does the gate receipts for tonight not get split?
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Scottish Cup only methinks.
SLC gate all goes to home team.
On the morning after Chris Hoy’s magnificent achievements at the London Olympics,most newspapers, broadsheets and tabloids have banner headlines proclaiming him.The Herald?.No they are shouting from the rooftops that Mike Ashley is buying a stake in newco.Sickening.
Can anyone tell me what exactly has changed? yes ex club are in lower regions, but their “superiority” mantra still there. They tried to buy their way to championships, cups and especially the Big Cup, guess what they are still trying to buy success even down in 3rd division. 4 year contracts, to SPL level players on £7k a week, to bludgeon away all opposition. Heard some of radio commentary last night, the sicophantic drooling was nauseating. Wee Chick was in his element and his tongue must be worn out today. Then the crowd chanting the usual mantras,
oh for Peterhead on a wet, windy tuesday night and see how many turn up then.
By the way as a wee aside, has anyone yet warned the Albion Rovers, Elgins etc. of all the “honest mistakes” that the refs will make if it is 0-0 late in the second half of a game?
LurkPac says:
August 7, 2012 at 23:42
Excellent first post, good summation for anyone who might think the continuing farce at Ibrox is not the biggest story in Scottish football. Only those with a desire to cover up the devious manouvres afoot to facilitate TRFC’s progress (progress would be fine if achieved without further financial doping) would attempt to turn this blog away from monitoring all that is wrong in our game. And while the biggest wrong that has ever hit Scottish sport continues, our main aim will be to ensure the efforts of Sevco and their MSM puppets are never allowed to facilitate any line-drawing nor cover-ups!
Reading the BBC match report on my phone and without my glasses. I thought I saw the phrase “rangers cheafeat east fife 4-0”.
A screwing up of the eyes and a zoom in I noticed the word was “defeat”.
On reflection though cheafeating somehow seemed quite an apt description of some of the results at Ibrox over the years. 🙂
The day the football died.
An accountant friend of mine pointed me in the direction of RTC oh, around 6 months ago. I lurked long but never posted.
Today on my way back from holiday I happened to be driving along Paisley Road West. I noticed some guys and gals in blue football tops moving in a familiar direction, and street vendors selling scarves and other memorabilia with the name Rangers on them. I was curious.
Further along the road I looked over at Ibrox Stadium once home of Rangers FC. The guys and gals sporting blue tops and buying scarves with the name Rangers on them were going into said stadium singing as they went. Many were drunk. The songs spoke of King Billy, blood, Fenians, not surrendering etc
I remember those songs. I recognised those blue football tops, I used to live near that stadium. But for the life of me I couldn’t work out why not one of these fans seemed to notice that Rangers FC are no more. They are IA, about to be liquidated. They don’t exist now as a football club.
If I had more time I would have liked to have stopped and explained to them the error of their ways but as I say I was just back from holiday.
However, don’t they know the team on the pitch this evening was NOT Rangers. The only Goebbels type characters encouraging them to repeat that lie a zillion times -in the fond hope that the lie would become the truth -are all disgraced MSM pundits and they are the outed as the biggest of farces thanks to the likes of RTC.
I turned on the car radio. Dodds was on. I turned over to the Olympics. I turned it back. Chico – hide – the – guns was on. I turned over to the Olympics.
I never want to listen to their tripe ever again. I never want to hear or read drivel from Traynor ever again. I will not buy the Record, Sun, Herald, Sundays Herald, Post or Mail etc EVER again.
Our ‘governing’ bodies-putrid and rotten to the core , our complicit media and yes even some of our disgusting politicians have pretty much ruined ‘the game’, killed its spirit of fair play, and destroyed its integrity.
The fix, the con, the disgrace, the ignorance, the arrogance, the cheating and lying, the total lack of humility. So describes a decade and more of life at Ibrox.
The pathetic pusillanimous MSM regurgitating verbatim every utterance from the likes of Murray McCoist Mcleish Smith (Walter and Gordon) Souness etc never questioning or doing their jobs. Never ever mentioning the EBTs or side letters at any press conference despite knowing full well what was going on and had been for over a decade. The Fourth Estate my bahookey!
As the saying goes. ‘When good men do nothing evil prevails.’
Well where were our (few?) good men prior to the shining light that was RTC? Who stood against the tide then, to reveal the most despicable endemic corruption of an entire football entity. Surely the greatest scandal ever on these shores. On a couple of occasions I can recall, a Celtic Rep taking on the ‘establishment’, only to be battered back down and ridiculed into submission by all and sundry, on the back pages and across the radio broadcasts. Paranoid, deluded etc were they so described.
Whose laughing now? Whose ridiculed and bereft of any cred now gentlemen of the press and radio?
Sadly out of this there are no likely winners. No proper punishment for the crimes committed, no courts no justice no come – uppance.
‘Rangers’ still ply their trade. Same shirts same stadium same lies same hate. The MSM still keep their jobs. Same compliance same ignorance same hubris same arrogance. The ‘governing’ officers still keep their jobs. Same obfuscation same back room deals same ignoring of all rules same turning blind eyes.
Scotland, the most corrupt wee footballing country in the world eh?
My only interest in this whole debacle is the final outcome of the FTTT. As soon as the SFA tried to bend/break a single rule to benefit Rangers, that marked the end of Scottish Football for me. Since then I have not bought a single newspaper, listened to a single phone-in, cancelled my Sky Sports and ESPN subscriptions, declined the offer of season tickets for myself and my entire family, and have not bought a single, solitary item of footballing merchandise. To me, as soon as the level playing field (or at least the concept of it) was publicly destroyed, Scottish Football was no longer a sport worthy of my attention. Anyone who thinks that only the SFA are complicit in Rangers playing in senior football (which certainly breaks a number of the SFA’s rules) should take a good long look at themselves. It is all about the money now, and not about the sport.
Once the leagues are restructured next season, don’t be surprised to see Rangers in the top flite due to each club’s starting position being given on a seeded basis. That is the reason that SPL level players are playing in SFL3 this season. Purely on the basis that they know that they’ll be in the top division next season.
The whole thing marks Scottish football as a global embarrassment. I’ll never watch another Scottish game, never pay another penny into the corruption that is Scottish Football, and shall never buy another red-top rag. As sad as it is for me to do so, the SFA have destroyed any credibility that Scottish football had for me. I merely sit waiting to see how the legal side of it all will end.
rab says:
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Danish Pastry.
Thanks and i take your point on yojimbo.
I understand your circumstances having read all your posts, but i still feel that there are a large number of people like you, who for honourable reasons, feel a natural affinity for a blue team in govan but have been totally disenfranchised from the brand due to distasteful ethics. Yojimbo represents ( i feel ) the decent fan who attends despite misgivings, but i feel your voice can speak to the large numbers like yourself who love football but have fallen away from scotlands tribal fusion of football and religion. Thats new money into the game.
If the mob at brechin are the future then i wish them nothing but pain, but i genuinely want a big rival in glasgow, even from govan, even in blue but recognised as new and more importantly, clean, to challenge my big club and push the whole game in scotland forward, in the name of sporting competitiveness only. This can be a club that can draw guys like yourself, yojimbo and onx3 who shouldnt have to choose to give up the game or love a club with ethics they dont share.
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Pretty heavy reading on my morning catch-up. Some odd circular arguments to wade through over the past 14 hours.
Rab, you tend see things even more differently from afar. I follow the big picture of Scottish football and now have the greatest interest in teams who nuture their own youth. I am not sure the blue team and its core support have any future as this new incarnation. I see an ever-decreasing group of blinkered fanatics. Young people are wising up, stepping back and in some cases turning their back on football. It already happened in the 70s for my generation.
If the RTC and associated scandals don’t result in a proper rebirth then any real change may take generations. Even worse, if the SFA stick to just punishing wee teams for minor mistakes and let the big club off, well …
If I look at my immediate family and relations in and around Glasgow almost none of them go to Ibrox anymore or show more than a passing interest in the club. Some follow Ayr United and Partick Thistle. I’m sure many thoughtful people grew tired of Ibrox long ago, though they might not all be lost to football.
From a distance you can enjoy the Scottish game as a whole. The BBC Alba presentation of Kilmarnock vs Dundee was really well done last week. Gave you a nice insight into the clubs. It was a breath of fresh air – inspite of the scoreline! I mentioned before how my son likes Hearts, he has no relation at all to them but liked Edinburgh and was attracted by the name, the Saltire crest, and the Walter Scott association. I think it’s great. I’ll watch and support any Scottish team who turn up here. In fact, I’m hoping for at least one of the clubs in Europe to get through and draw a *Scandinavian team. I quite fancied a trip to Helsinki to see the Celts but it’s wee bit too far for a quick drive over this week.
On that very OT note: Good luck to United, Motherwell and Celtic in their second leg ties.
*Finland is defined as Nordic here, not Scandinavian. Odd really.
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Does the gate receipts for tonight not get split?
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Scottish Cup only methinks.
SLC gate all goes to home team.
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Barney – I understand that League Cup games are split 50/50, after the home side deduct expenses (10% 15%?).
Posted earlier that in the SLC, gate receipts go to the home side. Having searched around the internet I am not so convinced now. Anyone know for definite?
Doh. It’s in the LC rules I posted earlier
In all rounds of the Cup Competition, excluding the Semi-Finals and Final
Tie, the Board Minimum Recommended Prices of Ground Admission or the
actual minimum admission price, whichever is the greater for adults,
juveniles and senior citizens shall, after deducting 15% by the Home Club,
be divided equally between the two Clubs participating in each tie. Prior to
the commencement of the Cup Competition in each season, the Board
shall fix the Minimum Recommended Prices of Ground Admission in respect
of both the clubs in membership of The Scottish Premier League and each
division of The Scottish Football League. The share of admission money in
terms of this Rule must be paid to the Visiting Club within ten days of the
date of the match. Any Club failing to pay, detail or return as before
provided, or any Club failing immediately to report non-payments of receipts
due to it, shall be dealt with as the Board may think fit.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-row-delays-rhys-mccabe-debut-1-4811712
So Pretendygers get all their player registrations rushed through and at the same time SFA support this nonsense.
The main objective of every newspaper is circulation,advertising revenue is paramount to survival.That’s why these stories about Sevco are given such prominence.
This is all about divide and Survive,the more conflict they can invent the better the profit.
Most of these tossers dont give a feck about integrity or honesty.
So dont get mad, get even. There is Doom on the Horizon,and it is getting closer.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/sports-tycoon-mike-ashley-to-buy-stake-in-rangers.18397998
Well, fancy that, another billionaire! with ‘deep pockets’! who thinks £10M is ‘chickenfeed’! Whoever would have thought it?
How can they bear to write this stuff?
Barney 08.55 :
It’s a 50/50 split to be paid within 10 days.
So 38160 @ £15 = £572,400. Divide by 1.2 to remove vat = £477,000. Say another 15% for expenses = £405,450. Divide by 2 & they each net £202,725. Not saying that is penny precise but I think it’s thereabouts.
Barney 08.57 :
You beat me to it. I was busy hammering the abacus when you came up with the answer 😉 !
Barney says:
August 8, 2012 at 08:57
‘…………….The share of admission money in
terms of this Rule must be paid to the Visiting Club within ten days of the
date of the match. ‘
Good luck to the Fifers with that one.
Bowenboys @22.04
You are mimicking the mainstream media.They would just love this story to go away. No amount of diversionary tactics like signing has beens and never weres,complaints,veiled threats,potential billionaire investors,ad nauseam will take the spotlight from the fact that there has been wholesale cheating by a club whose whole raison d’etre has been about being superior to everyone else and whose mission has been the maintainence of this at whatever cost.Collective amnesia by those associated to newco may abound,but not by forums like this.
threeamigos says:
August 8, 2012 at 08:42
On the morning after Chris Hoy’s magnificent achievements at the London Olympics,most newspapers, broadsheets and tabloids have banner headlines proclaiming him.The Herald?.No they are shouting from the rooftops that Mike Ashley is buying a stake in newco.Sickening.
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Unless you have the ‘hard’ copy it is impossible to appreciate the sycophancy of ‘The Herald.’
About 6 column inches over half the front page about Chris Hoy. Then a huge white on black headline ‘Sports tycoon Mike Ashley to buy stake in Rangers,’ with a photograph taking up about a third of the length of the page. He’s buying a stake, we read, except in the actual report ‘….it is speculation….’ And Ashley’s company will take over merchandise sales and JJB will be another outfit stuffed.
Continuing to page 7, another photo of Ashley and an almost quarter page report on the ‘fans’ relief’ for them to be playing at Ibrox.
Move to the sports page. Richard Wilson, that impartial reporter, takes about two-thirds of the page with ‘This is Rangers, it doesn’t get any bigger….’, a quote from Kevin Kyle and an article on the three signings and a huge photograph of last night’s crowd. Less than a quarter of the page is devoted to another Scottish club playing a huge game in Europe.
I have resolutely bought ‘The Herald’ for around fifty years. I suffered Darryl Broadfoot and had a temporary ban, which didn’t last long. But that is it. I will never buy another ‘Herald’ for a long time, if ever and my wife will divorce me because she won’t be able to do the crossword and puzzles.
liviaburlando says:
August 8, 2012 at 09:01
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/sports-tycoon-mike-ashley-to-buy-stake-in-rangers.18397998
Well, fancy that, another billionaire! with ‘deep pockets’! who thinks £10M is ‘chickenfeed’! Whoever would have thought it?
How can they bear to write this stuff?
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This would be the perfect opportunity for someone to step in and put an end to this “phoenix” charade. If they want to sell replica strips that purport to be Rangers 1872 then I would have thought that JJB would have something to say about it. I’m not qualified to speak on marketing laws but I would reckon that if anyone has a right to sell the kit with 5 stars and all it would be JJB. The very least I would have expected from them would have been to honour the JJB deal.
I’m not sure I should continue with all this, I caught myself shouting abuse in the car today listening to the Sportsound podcast, particularly during the interview between Chick Young and Green. It is clear to me that they have learned nothing, have no shame and are back with the exact same ‘we arra peepul’ attitude of old. I live in hope that division 3 will take its toll and the loyal (sic) will not be so keen to turn out for a game on a cold Novembers day. Will Chick be all misty-eyed as he surveys the empty seats at Castle Greyskull?
The passing years had dulled my disdain for Rangers and their so-called fans, I was brought up watching the Dons stuff them on a regular basis, my adolescent years spent during the Souness/Smith era including several hairy trips to Ibrox to support my team amid a shower of pies, urine and rocks only served to embed these feelings deeper into my soul. However I’ve long since left my home shores, have aged a bit since and the Dons have become a shadow of the team they were in my youth. All are factors which have contributed to the dimming of my feelings towards this rancid institution. That was until the facts about the EBTs and alleged dual contracts came out via RTC and Mark Daly’s excellent reporting. Now I find the hatred burning brighter than ever, I’m not sure its good for my health! How can this be allowed to happen? A transfer embargo that only starts AFTER the transfer window has closed? What sort of punishment is that? Its a sham, purely for show so the SFA can appear to be dealing with their wayward favourite child while discreetly giving them the nod to continue their delinquent triumphalist behaviour.
The reason for this post? It seems clear to me that things haven’t changed and I doubt they ever will. The other fans have won their wee battle but ra peepul will win the war. Given the nature of the statements that continue to emerge from Ibrox what will happen if Rangers are drawn away against Aberdeen in the League Cup? Given the rawness of feeling I fear there may be civil unrest alright Mr Regan but it will be because YOU haven’t done your job properly and this rancid institution continues to poison our society, NOT because they have ceased to exist. Scottish football has failed to capitalise on a unique chance to rid itself of 9/10ths of the poisonous elements in the game. A chance to wipe out sectarian bigotry once and for all. The saddest thing for me now is the realisation. The realisation that things won’t change, the MSM will continue to faun over them and the authorities will continue to pander to them. Their fans will continue to bring chaos and terror to the smaller towns in our beautiful country and we will all just have to sit back and watch. Prospect of punishments after the findings of the dual contract investigation? Its fair to say I’m not holding my breath!
Re my post @ 6.43. Just had a lovely conversation with citizens advice.It is a Criminal Act to falsely advertise, they also said it is nonsense to pretend that they have carried the history with them.They are informing Trading Standards about my complaint and will be in touch.If the information i have given them is correct then they will have to take action.
Sevco should not be advertising on their tickets and programmes any titles or cups won, simple.
You cant win it if you are Not in it.
As you may all be aware, they were suggestions last night from some posters, that this blog should stop concentrating on the Sevco situation
A very quick scan of the MSM this morning will surely disabuse anyone of that idea
They are back at their sycophantic, nauseating, slabbering over the spawn of the most disgusting and corrupt club ever to disgrace Scottish and indeed British football
In the eyes of the MSM, the normal order has been restored, and they are able once more to drool over every word uttered by their “heroes”
Sevco, aided and abetted by the SFA/SPL/SFL, can and will do whatever it likes, without a single word of disapproval from the cheerleaders
Any attempt to discipline them will be met by a torrent of criticism from these cheerleaders
Scottish football, and the MSM is rotten to the core
RTC began as an attempt to out the MSM, and as the story unfolded, the blog became so much more than that
We can’t afford to stop now, and for those who complain that we are too Sevcocentric, you won’t deflect us from the main aim of this blog
You would have thought that an interesting piece for any professional journalist to write would be to the ask questions about the business model of “the Rangers” in light of their seemingly expensive signing policy and showing the irony that a division 3 side (who’s CEO stated they would not overspend) can outbid an SPL side for those players.
Or is that not how it’s done?
As this blog is monitoring Scottish Football, could anyone give an indication as to whether or not the Phoenix club is operating a policy of signing up faded dumplings or only faded dumplings of a particular persuasion? I am aware that such a question could be ‘controversial’ and that some players wouldn’t touch this club with the proverbial but also understand that the Deid Club has and is somewhat circling its wagons to present as being surrounded by what it considers to be hostiles, so needs men of a certain calibre.
It seems that it is still spending what it doesn’t have, so I just wondered whether any of the other old tools of its former incarnation are still being shamelessly deployed to build up its revamped corporate identity.
(sorry for the delay in joining the party…..decided to get my life back for a week or so)
anyway….
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/docs/League_Cup_Competition_Rules.pdf
Did Charles Green really say supporters were sneaking in?
12. FINANCIAL RECORDS
All Clubs shall keep detailed financial records and the Board may arrange
for an inspection of all such records with particular reference to turnstile
arrangements.
18 Stadia
18.2 At all matches played at the grounds of Clubs in The Scottish Premier
League, spectators must only be admitted to individually numbered seats
in accordance with the relevant deadline for compliance with this
requirement as intimated by H.M. Government following upon its adoption
of the final report by Lord Justice Taylor which recommends this practice,
such deadline having
now, onto MONEY
9. ADMISSION MONIES AND SHARE OF GATES
9.1 In all rounds of the Cup Competition, excluding the Semi-Finals and Final
Tie, the Board Minimum Recommended Prices of Ground Admission or the
actual minimum admission price, whichever is the greater for adults,
juveniles and senior citizens shall, after deducting 15% by the Home Club,
be divided equally between the two Clubs participating in each tie. Prior to
the commencement of the Cup Competition in each season, the Board
shall fix the Minimum Recommended Prices of Ground Admission in respect
of both the clubs in membership of The Scottish Premier League and each
division of The Scottish Football League. The share of admission money in
terms of this Rule must be paid to the Visiting Club within ten days of the
date of the match. Any Club failing to pay, detail or return as before
provided, or any Club failing immediately to report non-payments of receipts
due to it, shall be dealt with as the Board may think fit.
9.4 In all rounds of the Cup Competition, excluding the Semi-Finals and Final
Tie, Clubs shall only be entitled to deduct a limit of 10% of the total number
of spectators admitted to the match in the Competition subject to such limit
not exceeding 1,000 persons. The numbers in excess of this figure must
be returned in the gross gate and divided in the ratio of 75% adult, 25%
juvenile and senior citizens of the Board Minimum Recommended Prices of
Ground Admission with the Visiting Club.
So, a crowd of 38k
75% adults @ £15 = £427,500
25% kids @ £5 = £47,500
Total = £475,000 income
£95,000 of that is VAT = £380,000
Sevco can keep 15% for expenses = £57,000
Leaving £323,000 – to be split between the clubs – East Fife are due a cheque for £161,500 (it will be slightly more as they’ll pay it over gross (including VAT) which East Fife will declare/pay)
Leaving Sevco a grand income of £218,500 for the match.
Apparently, the weekly wage of the team fielded last night was £97k – £121k in the bank for last night
Sadly, the operating costs for running rangers fc last year – ibrox, muray park and all that goes with it was £16M a year (excluding wages)
that works out at over £300k a week.
So, Sevco made a loss of about £180k last night.
Rumours are that they have sold about 20k season tickets (adults at £290, kids at £65 – i’m gonna use the same 75/25 split suggested by the SFL)
15,000 Adult tickets at £290 = £4,350,000
5,000 Child tickets at £65 = £325,000
total season ticket income = £4,675,000 (in a piggy bank as they don’t have a bank)
Less VAT (i know, stop it) of £935,000 – leaves them £3.74M
they have to pay out about £3m in football debts
£160k fines
they have half a million in the bank roughly
assuming that they MAGICALLY half running costs (exluding wages) from 16M to 8M then that is £150k a week
weekly wage bill is £100k
so, £250k a week to keep the show on the road
they’ll last 2 weeks on the bank balance
the walk up/pay at gate customers – 18k a game (based on last night) at £15 a head gives them £270k A GAME (1 home game every fortnight on average)
so £135k a week income
250k a week to run it
a loss of £115k a week with crowds of 38,000 turning up
they have 500k in the bank – so they will last 4-5 weeks
good luck with that then Charlie
Forgive me for being a paranoid Celtic fan but was it not strange that in the last few days we have had public statements from supporters trusts, pre-recorded interview with Billy Dodds regarding his EBT payment, a public statement from SDM, interviews with Ally, Big Feck and Watty. They are all singing from the same hymn sheet, everything was legal, everything was declared, Rangers have been punished enough and its time to move on. Who has mobilised the troops and why now?
We even have someone posting on here that it’s time to move on with our discussion, which I find odd considering the ftt result has not been announced and investigation into player registrations has not been ruled on by the SPL. The concerted PR execise surrounding this is astonishing and unbelievable to think we have to let bygones be bygones without proper investigation.
I understand comments that TSFM should cover more than RFC(IA) or The Rangers. In fact one of my first posts discussed an interest in finding out what fans felt were their main frustrations with Scottish football and these could carry forward when the investigations surrounding Rangers were concluded. I want to see winter breaks, fan ownership, sensible ticket pricing, league reconstruction and whatever else football supporters have been frustrated with all these years. For me though the most pressing issue is for RFC(IA) to be investigated fully on their player registrations. If this is not investigated fully then the governing bodies are making a rod for their back regarding rules.
I hope this blog continues with the same interest as the RTC site but I hope to see all the same interested posters continue in the future to tackle the issues that have frustrated us all these years as Scottish Football Supporters.
threeamigos says:
August 8, 2012 at 09:21
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Bowenboys @22.04
You are mimicking the mainstream media.They would just love this story to go away. No amount of diversionary tactics like signing has beens and never weres,complaints,veiled threats,potential billionaire investors,ad nauseam will take the spotlight from the fact that there has been wholesale cheating by a club whose whole raison d’etre has been about being superior to everyone else and whose mission has been the maintainence of this at whatever cost.Collective amnesia by those associated to newco may abound,but not by forums like this.
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The inference that I ‘would just like this story to go away’ is wrong.
If you read my posts from the last couple of days you will see that I have been trying to raise the profile of the posts on TSFM by suggesting that we engage with the outside world to make our views heard more widely.
Clearly, there is very little appetite for this. Tic 6709, August 8 at 09:37, is a notable and worth exception.
To change the discussion away from Rangers a bit although Rangers transfer policy now and indeed since the “Souness Revolution” back in 1986 does form the main thrust of the point I would like to discuss;
Teams being (mostly) BUILT versus Teams being (mostly) BOUGHT
As Auldheid often reminds us the actions and activities of football clubs are interdependant not independant and that the actions of each one has some impact on all the others or at least most of the others.
Take this summer – almost all of our clubs are operating with reduced income levels and the prospect of having to re-align wage bills and costs to these income levels. For most this means the majority of their teams and playing squads are being built from promoting youngsters from within the ranks and/or signing lower cost players they can pick up from the lower leagues or free transfer market.
But this isn’t anything new – this is the way the whole of Scottish fitba operated for over a century from it’s inception until Mr Souness arrived at Ibrox in 1986. Of course there was always some players transferred but that was usually on the back of a financial windfall from say a good cup run or a cup win or selling a player and then this set of a daisy-chain of transfer activity as one Scottish club would sell or buy a player which then had a knock on effect as that money was circulated down through the game as other clubs sold or signed players with the share that came their way. But on the whole most teams were put together on a limited budget and home-grown youngsters and good scouting for undiscovered talents or potential was the norm.
We don’t need to go into detail of what kicked off at Ibrox in 1986-87 season and how the financial landscape of Scottish football was changed there-after. The ideas that competitive or winning teams could be bought and provide a shortcut to improving a teams prospects and hopefully raise their income potential by becoming more attractive to fans or better chances of winning increased prize money etc etc. We’ve had a quarter century since then of chasing the dream or trying to buy footballing success or an increased share of the financial spoils.
From a mainstream media perspective they have probably viewed these last 25 years (or at least the first 20) as some kind of golden era as countless stories have been written and papers sold on the back of all this endless transfer speculation whilst ocassionally stopping to notice their has been a slow but steady decline across club and international results & performances as measured by falling standings in the co-efficients with the only real boosts to co-efficent being 2 very expensively assembled Celtic & Rangers teams making UEFA Cup Finals and a Champions League knock-out stage. Apart from that it’s been steady decline across the board.
Even though Rangers have just suffered the single greatest financial collapse and insolvency failure that Scottish football has ever seen and indeed hopefully is ever likely to see it seems that understanding the root cause of that failure has escaped the main protagonists.
As all the other clubs have had to adopt a more financially streamlined and sustainable approach to club finances and subsequently how they BUILD their playing squads it seems that the main proponents of taking the easiest and quickest route towards BUYING a football team and gaining the subsequent footballing and financial rewards which they hope will provide enough to cover the cost of the initially more expensively assembled team.
Some people might say that’s fine – if they want to try to buy success and pay more than they can afford then let them – it’s them that’s bearing that risk of financial failure ……only it’s not.
It affects every other team as well. If one failed club decides to start again and start offering higher wages than the market rate they are being offered by SPL clubs then they are having a distorting and inflationary effect on players wage demands. The natural consequences seems to be that the SPL clubs are having to let some of their better players go as they can no longer afford to keep them yet the club that shed over a £100 Million in debt and indeed who still owes some of these other clubs is still creating damaging financial and inflationary wage pressures on the other clubs.
Building teams has the opposite effect, by only paying what they can afford and only signing when they need to it has a deflationary effect on players wage demands – players and agents know that unless they move to a higher paid environment that Scots clubs will only offer what they can now afford or else face financial ruin/administration.
It seems to me that 1 club in Scotland just now must be every agents best friend. One club is spending money (it might not have) and offering players well above market wages to play at a lower level. The are also potential creating a scenario that will diminish other clubs chances of success or promotion prospects and subsequent earning potential as Rangers seek to power their way up through the division using the same sledgehammer approach that began with Souness and ultimately brought them to financial ruin.
Scottish football survived through 2 world wars, a financial depression and numerous economic recessions because for the greater part of it’s history it operated on a sustainable financial level and teams were mostly built not bought.
You could write screeds more about the negative effect such an approach also has in retarding the development and chances for home grown players and the knock on effect this eventually has for national teams prospects but I’ll leave that for later and general discussion.
I emailed the SFL about the “The Rangers” entry on their website
Dear SFL
can you please explain to me why this page on your website
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/rangers-fc/
lists the history and achievements of Rangers Football Club PLC
the club playing in the 3rd division are THE Rangers FC Ltd, (formerly
a company called Sevco – not sure if it was 5088 or Scotland – Ltd)
which was only formed this year
As you no doubt know, Rangers Football Club PLC are currently in
administration and will soon be liquidated. They are no longer SPL or
SFA members.
How has their history transferred over into a new corporate entity?
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here is the reply from the SFL
Dear NTHM
The Scottish Football League has accepted Rangers as an Associate Member.
The Scottish Football Association membership of Rangers FC was transferred from Rangers Football Club PLC (in Administration) (“Oldco”) to Sevco Scotland Limited (now called The Rangers Football Club Limited) (“Newco”) in terms of Article 14 of the Scottish FA’s Articles of Association and, therefore, it is entirely appropriate for the Scottish Football League to represent Rangers in this manner.
Regards,
nice lady at the SFL.
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Now, article 14 in the SFA articles is about Dual interests in a club
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/SFAHandbook/09Articles.pdf
so I can only assume she meant article 16 – but that specifically PROHIBTS it.
I’ll have to email her back
PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OF MEMBERSHIP
16. It is not permissible for a member to transfer directly or indirectly its membership
of the Association to another member or to any other entity and any such transfer
or attempt to effect such a transfer is prohibited save as otherwise provided in
this Article 16. Any member desirous of transferring its membership to another
entity within its own administrative group for the purpose of internal solvent
reconstruction must apply to the Board for permission to effect such transfer, such
consent not to be unreasonably withheld or delayed. Any other application for
transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board which will have complete
discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as
the Board may think fit.
16.1 Any member which is in breach of the provisions of this Article shall, if required,
indemnify the Association and its members against all losses, damages, liabilities,
costs or expenses suffered or incurred by the Association and its members which
result directly or indirectly from such breach, including and without prejudice to
the generality of the foregoing any loss of income or profits from any undertaking,
commercial liaison, sponsorship, or arrangement entered into by the Association or
by any of its members.
hi all, if this blog could get a sponsor or a club onside then it would give it a lot of clout, if we could get just one, more will come. maybe permission to display a crest or badge, just to get an endorsement of some kind would change the playing field. just my thoughts…
sometimes i wonder whose ball we are playing with…
maybe its time season-book holders approached there clubs again.
ps. i am not a sb holder.
Schneeb says:
August 8, 2012 at 08:20
Yes, and they’re paying their wages with Hearts’ (and others) own money.
‘Never, in the field of human deceit, has so much been owed, to so many, by… two versions of the one cheating institution!’
need this board to split into distict threads…
EBT …
Rangers newco …
Celtic ebt
etc so easier to read threads, otherwise its 1000+ posts that dont get read in detail
oops, i read an older edition of the articles, and it is article 14 now! my bad.
Barney says:
August 8, 2012 at 08:36
Not right, and can’t be right, would be no point in away team turning up if it was. Unless, of course, it’s a 2 leg affair.
celtic1967 says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:00
Old Joke – Circus advertises for a new Human Canonball ” Only people of the right Calibre need apply ” – Boom !
Mark Dickson says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:21
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To change the discussion away from Rangers a bit although Rangers transfer policy now and indeed since the “Souness Revolution” back in 1986 does form the main thrust of the point I would like to discuss; Teams being (mostly) BUILT versus Teams being (mostly) BOUGHT
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Excellent post Mark. I consider this should be a guest post for TSFM, well done.
I may be wrong but I thought that sevco (cheats fc) were only granted their SFA licence IF they paid all football debts? Why is no-one from the clubs owed money especially hearts not making more noise about this……. Or is there something on the horizon, we really are no further forward….. No punishments……. Still cheating……. Even though they are dead.
Good Morning.
And so East Fife were welcomed to the never never land of Sevcovia and will be given £200,000 or thereabouts for their efforts. Will it be a cheque or readies?
I am a Celtic supporter but first and foremost a football supporter. I am not anti Rangers or Sevco but I am against cheating on a commercial scale.
On a strictly financial view there is little doubt that a healthy, re-invented, new Rangers run on a successful business model such as Celtic would be a valuable inclusion in any league. However the baggage which they seem intent on transferring from Old co to Newco, such as their vile songbook does no credit to any new club.
I wonder how long it will be before the SFA/SPL wake up and realise that they have created a monster.
I said many times that if they were allowed to emerge unscathed from the years of cheating that they would come back stronger and more vile. They will never change because they are ra peepil.
Murrays self serving proclamations yesterday are riseable, claiming that the SFA/SPL are bending over backwards to punish Rangers. No ya numpty they bent over backwards to kiss the a*se of the beast to bring it back to life by following a policy of corruption.
Every rule in the book was conveniently ignored to save them.
It would have been better to kill the Son of Satan.
Interesting to see that the snake McCoist admitting that his comments were not spur of the moment. This is one disgusting individual who should be taken to task and banned by the SFA for his outrageous behaviour.
On the question of the direction of the blog, it is finding its feet and in due course the gift that keeps on giving will provide plenty of topics upon which we can focus. No need to panic yet.
To kick it off how about a list of the Rules that the SFA/SPL have ignored to get Sevco in the door.
D.M.’s statement of 7th Aug. rambles more than a little. To put it into some shape for my own understanding, I had to break it down into his three main themes:
Punishment:
Further punishment not on, proportionate penalty appropriate. Anything further would contravene the 4th Geneva Convention. SPL must stop rewriting rules to permit retrospective penalty.
RFC “Problems”
Must be no altering records. RFC fans hard earned money was spent acquiring those trophies. Anyway maybe the ex-club is innocent, since no FTT(T) verdict yet. He did nothing wrong, all accounts audited and submitted. Nobody had any entitlement to the trust fund loans. All was above board and disclosed in accounts. Anyway tax avoidance is OK, evasion is the crime, and the rest of yez are at it as well.
Sympathy Plea and Valediction:
RFC only acted out of generosity and for employees’ own good. If anybody comes after them, he’ll be right there behind them.
He’s saying nothing new Similar stuff has previously been forensically examined and demolished by the experts on here. I’m no expert, but one question occurs to me. Where has all the RFC fans’ hard earned money he talks about gone?
Sorry if it’s been said already folks!
Tic 6709 says:
August 8, 2012 at 09:37
Nicely done.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:21
Dear NTHM
The Scottish Football League has accepted Rangers as an Associate Member.
The Scottish Football Association membership of Rangers FC was transferred from Rangers Football Club PLC (in Administration) (“Oldco”) to Sevco Scotland Limited (now called The Rangers Football Club Limited) (“Newco”) in terms of Article 14 of the Scottish FA’s Articles of Association and, therefore, it is entirely appropriate for the Scottish Football League to represent Rangers in this manner.
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Reading this the RFC(IA) membership was transferred, why therefore is it neccesary to accept The Rangers Football Club Ltd as an associate member only??
Why not a full membership???
A couple of posters asked, a few days ago, who headhunted Regan?
According to ‘Michael Price’, an insightful and reasoned poster (imo) in Herald’s Comments stated:
“Stewart Regan was appointed by George Peat and the board after a suggestion by Lord Brian Mawhinney
Neil Doncaster was appointed by Lex Gould and the board after Gold, Rod Petrie and Martin Bain carried out the selection process.”
A couple of posters asked, a few days ago, who headhvnted Regan?
According to ‘Michael Price’, an insightful and reasoned poster (imo) in Herald’s Comments stated:
“Stewart Regan was appointed by George Peat and the board after a suggestion by Lord Brian Mawhinney
Neil Doncaster was appointed by Lex Gould and the board after Gold, Rod Petrie and Martin Bain carried out the selection process.”
Apols if double posted – headhvnted’ wiz the culprit.
smallteaser says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:54
perhaps because they cannot satisfy all the criteria for full membership ie the ability to produce 3 years of financial accounts or evidence and assurances of long term financial viability?
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Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OF MEMBERSHIP
16. It is not permissible for a member to transfer directly or indirectly its membership
of the Association to another member or to any other entity and any such transfer
or attempt to effect such a transfer is prohibited save as otherwise provided in
this Article 16. Any member desirous of transferring its membership to another
entity within its own administrative group for the purpose of internal solvent
reconstruction must apply to the Board for permission to effect such transfer, such
consent not to be unreasonably withheld or delayed. Any other application for
transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board which will have complete
discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as
the Board may think fit.
I think that Rule says: you, the member are prohibited to effect a transfer of your own membership, but we the Board can do it, or not, under any condition(s) we think fit. Including transferring the history, or not.
Having said that, it’s not very clearly put.
Some folk asking about RFC first team squad and ages.i’ve compiled a list but cant guarantee the info is correct.I know this is WRT the number of players you are allowed to register over 21.
If you can help to update the list,great,some may have left.If the list is correct,the Ally cannot sign many more over 21.
Neil Alexander (G) Scotland 34
Blair Currie (G) Scotland 19
Scott Gallacher (G) Scotland 23
Carlos Bocanegra (D) USA 33
Kirk Broadfoot (D) Scotland 30(today,Happy Birthday)
Darren Cole (D) Scotland 20
Dorin Goian (D) Romania 31
Chris Hegarty (D) Scotland 28
Kyle Hutton (D) Scotland 21
Ross Perry (D) 22
Lee Wallace (D) Scotland 25
Alejandro Bedoya (M) USA 25
Ian Black (M) Scotland 27
Maurice Edu (M) USA 26
Lee McCulloch (M) Scotland 34
Lewis McLeod (M) Scotland 18
Kai Naismith (M) Scotland 20
Dean Shiels (M) Northern Ireland 27
Kane Hemmings (F) Scotland 21
Andrew Little (F) Northern Ireland 23
Robert Crawford (NA) Scotland 19
Barry McKay (NA) Scotland 17
Andrew Mitchell (NA) 20
Kevin Kyle 31
Francisco Sandaza 27
Emilson Cribari 32
First post on the new blog, and just catching up after a few days spent with family and new grandson’s naming ceremony. Congrats to everyone on the work involved in setting it up and picking up the baton handed on by RTC. So some questions on various issues , some aired frequently on here, others that I haven’t seen mentioned for a while .
MBB involvement. Am I right in thinking that the original deal with Green involved Whyte handing over his share holding in the event of a successful CVA. However it failed, so who holds the 85%? Do we know if it has been transferred?
Phoenixism. We have been told that you can’t just set up a new company with the same or very similar name to one which has just gone bust with debts. So why is the only differentiator between old and newcos a definite article? Claiming the history is presumably tantamount to phoenixism as well. Who is the regulator in this matter and why haven’t they stepped in?
Timetable for final liquidation. When does BDO take over from the Duffers? When will the detailed forensic examination commence?
SFA/SFL membership. As I understand it temporary membership was granted and the news sneaked out while everyone was watching the Olympic Opening Ceremony. When and how does it become permanent or does “temporary” mean open-ended. Another rule fudge?
Independent panel investigation of dual contracts. Who is involved? Have the panel, their terms of reference or a report date been announced?
Sally’s original outburst. When will she be punished, if at all?
It seems to me that we’ve away to go before the beast is finally dead.
Mark Dickson says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:21
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Great post Mark, and about a subject close to my heart. Your piece could be a standalone blog. There’s actually some very fine posts being lost in the chatter.
Your thoughts reminded me that big transfer news in Scotland used to be a Scot moving from one Scottish club to another!
The olympic achievements show us just what talent reserves are to be found in our towns and cities. The country has always produced and nutured fine players, at least we did until that revolution you refer to.
Mark Dickson says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:21
Excellent post, Mark. In fact, it deserves to be printed in one of the better newspapers, but, alas, there seems to be none that are interested in printing anything that doesn’t promote TRFC as anything more than innocent victims caught up in a tidle wave of ‘integrity’. How dare you suggest that they are a major cause of Scottish football’s problems, and not the saviour? 😉
liviaburlando says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:04
I think that Rule says: you, the member are prohibited to effect a transfer of your own membership, but we the Board can do it, or not, under any condition(s) we think fit. Including transferring the history, or not.
Having said that, it’s not very clearly put.
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actually, the rule is very clear – here is the bit that allows it…..
“Any other application for transfer of membership will be reviewed by the Board which will have complete discretion to reject or to grant such application on such terms and conditions as
the Board may think fit.”
What we need to know is….
1. what are the terms and conditions?
payment of football debts
acceptance of transfer ban (albeit, amended start date)
co-operation with “dual contracts” investigation
payment of fines applied last year
full disclosure of business plan/finances/backers
2. HAVE THEY BEEN MET?
Sevco have signed lots of players yesterday…….spending lots of money…I have no issue with that. But have they paid the outstanding footballing debts to other clubs? How can they be allowed to sign players again before clearing the outstanding debts accrued by signing and not paying for players
is there a date these debts have to be paid by
as sir david might say – there is an agreed repayment schedule and it accrues interest!!!
When must these debts be paid by, is there compensation/penalty charges/interest added for late payment
if not paid by the dates – what will the SFA do? Kick them out? (unlikely eh?)
The notion that this site should discuss other matters other than the Rangers implosion is in my mind absurd.
Rangers are the story, and the only story.
Their malady has caused massive knock on effects in our game.Clubs are owed a lot of money, one time creditors will never see their money, and yet they continue to buy players and brag about it.
It is to the eternal discredit of local, small-minded hacks,polticians and half-baked celebs. that they continue to spin RFC(IA).Those that do merely have an angle,a parasitic dependency on this club.
Our governing bodies will have to act, punish the club and move on. As yet,’ the new rangers’ or whatever they are called have not been punished, they have been allowed to continue ‘trading’ as a business in our leagues, contrary to the rules.
They have been allowed to do this to all in the name of enhancing ‘the football product’ The very phrase is anathema to me.
It is my view, and one from which I have never wavered, that the best thing that could have happened for a whole host of reasons was for Rangers Football Club to cease to exist.Anyone that thought that a phoenix would bring about a blue following that was not tainted with ‘the baggage’ were naive to say the least.
We can say that the SPL may not act with teeth and that would be to their eternal discredit and may yet consign the game in our country to the waste paper bin of football.
However one thing is for sure ,BDO,on liquidation, will act, the FTT will deliver and if there is proven fraud following the Police Enquiry, the Procurator Fiscal will act.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:27
oops, i read an older edition of the articles, and it is article 14 now! my bad.
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I’ll forgive you,
but only if,when you mail the nice lady back,can you ask her to confirm that:
As an associate member, Rangers are not allowed to vote for 3 years and are also not entitled to any share of the leagues assets(TV money etc).
Does anyone actually think that the SFL have a TV deal that excludes payment to CG?.
Can Someone Explain How Rangers FC Fielded Trialists in a Cup Match?
I know it has been mentioned – but I have not seen any convincing answers yet.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/can-someone-explain-how-rangers-fc-fielded-trialists-in-a-cup-match/
Mark Dickson says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:21
Excellent post, Mark. In fact, it deserves to be printed in one of the better newspapers, but, alas, there seems to be none that are interested in printing anything that doesn’t promote TRFC as anything more than innocent victims caught up in a tidle wave of ‘integrity’. How dare you suggest that they are a major cause of Scottish football’s problems, instead of the deposed saviour? 😉
Even if we forget about the rest of their misdemeanours, the effect their current actions are having, as they attempt their recovery, is already detrimental as they continue to offer wages no one outside of Celtic can afford. Even if Kevin Kyle’s season long prospects are not good, we Hearts fans know the effect his enthusiasm can have in lifting the team and supporters, and I can imagine, had Sevco not come knocking, and St johnstone managed to sign him, he’d have made a significant contribution to their, sadly, all too short Euro campaign.
Not The Huddle Malcontent says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:20
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liviaburlando says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:04
actually, the rule is very clear – here is the bit that allows it…..
I’m getting confused, I thought you were arguing that it wasn’t allowed. Sorry.
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:24
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I’ll forgive you,
but only if,when you mail the nice lady back,can you ask her to confirm that:
As an associate member, Rangers are not allowed to vote for 3 years and are also not entitled to any share of the leagues assets(TV money etc).
Does anyone actually think that the SFL have a TV deal that excludes payment to CG?.
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slowly slowly catchy monkey
i’ve asked her why the SFL granted Sevco Associate membership and not full membership if it was a transfer of share from Oldco.
and will Dunfermline only be associate members as they are new members to the SFL this year.
we’ll see what she says 1st, then i’ll ask about confirmation of the voting rights and tv money
🙂
Hoopy 7 says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:39
On the question of the direction of the blog, it is finding its feet and in due course the gift that keeps on giving will provide plenty of topics upon which we can focus. No need to panic yet.
To kick it off how about a list of the Rules that the SFA/SPL have ignored to get Sevco in the door
Now that sounds to me like a very practical good idea. I would be pleased to see same and start asking a few pertinent questions of the authorities regarding the contents.
Paul McConville says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:26
Can Someone Explain How Rangers FC Fielded Trialists in a Cup Match?
I know it has been mentioned – but I have not seen any convincing answers yet.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/can-someone-explain-how-rangers-fc-fielded-trialists-in-a-cup-match/
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Excellent stuff once again,Paul.
I suppose it would be too much to ask Ally for transparency!
So Sevco have the history then, bought for £1 from D&P, and allowed to be transfered by the SFA, and confirmed by the emails above.
What a waste of £1 when they lose quite a few of the titles.
Seriously though, what a disgrace that the SFA felt the need to pander to this emotional blackmail. Ok, they felt the need to keep Sevco in the league for financial reasons, but to allow this just helps sustain the more unsavoury elements attaching themselves to Sevco. A wasted opportunity to help cleanse the game indeed.
Don’t the UEFA and FIFA rules not forbid this transfer of history?
Apologies if this has already been queried but didn’t Chuck have until yesterday to provide proof of his “bogitry” claims, if so when can we expect a statement
Mark Dickson says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:59
smallteaser says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:54
perhaps because they cannot satisfy all the criteria for full membership ie the ability to produce 3 years of financial accounts or evidence and assurances of long term financial viability?
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Without the above criteria being met why would you grant Associate membership?, it has the same net effect, no guarantees that a company is solvent.
Therefore it would be fair if a wad of cash was insisted on for the acceptance of this membership, i.e. a bond
From Spiers on Sport
“Welcome back to Ibrox – home of Rangers, then, now and forever!” boomed the voice of Sandy Jardine, a Rangers legend, to the crowd.
I’m thinking that should have been “Welcome back to Ibrox – home of Rangers then, Phoenix Rangers now and just for a wee while!”
There – fixed that for you Sandy.
Paul McConville says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:26
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Can Someone Explain How Rangers FC Fielded Trialists in a Cup Match?
I know it has been mentioned – but I have not seen any convincing answers yet.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/can-someone-explain-how-rangers-fc-fielded-trialists-in-a-cup-match/
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It would appear that trialists are allowed in the Ramsden’s Cup after all as East Fife fielded Colin Samuel as a trialist against Peterhead.
Haywire says:
August 8, 2012 at 11:43
Hoopy 7 says:
August 8, 2012 at 10:39
On the question of the direction of the blog, it is finding its feet and in due course the gift that keeps on giving will provide plenty of topics upon which we can focus. No need to panic yet.
To kick it off how about a list of the Rules that the SFA/SPL have ignored to get Sevco in the door
Now that sounds to me like a very practical good idea. I would be pleased to see same and start asking a few pertinent questions of the authorities regarding the contents.
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Good idea.
If we ask the bosses often and loudly enough they’ll have to answer eventually.If they learned anything this summer it’s that the fans have a powerful voice.
I feel though,that what we really need is a body like the UK Taxpayers Alliance,where someone can hopefully be invited to air the fans views publicly.When you go mainstream people have to listen,whether they like it or not.Who could be that person,I don’t know.Stewart Cosgrove would be brilliant.
When the fans rep is being interviewed by AT,for example,they powers that be,and the clubs, would have no option but to listen.They may always agree with what’s said but they may be forced to break ranks and reply.whatever happened,they’d have to listen!.
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Maybe a public voice asking about the refusal of the Scottish Parliament to release info under the FOI act as it could damage relations between Edinburgh and London would put a cat among the pigeons.This has never been discussed anywhere in the MSM.This would be front page news.Collusion between Edinburgh an Westminster to turn a blind eye and allow a company to defraud the taxpayer and other creditors of around £140m then set up a successor company with the same identity,taking no action,in fact,encouraging same!.