.. and they wonder why nobody buys papers

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.. and they wonder why nobody buys papers

As most of you will be aware, the Guardian recently agreed to and accepted payment from CQN for an advertisement which was intended to raise awareness of the Resolution 12 issue, an issue pursued determinedly by Celtic shareholders for the last three years. Subsequently, and citing the thinnest of excuses, they decided not to run the ad. This developed hard on the heels of the Herald actually soliciting the business from the advertisers for their own paper, and then without even seeing the copy, refusing to move forward. (See CQN story here)

guardianGateA troubling aspect of GuardianGate is that CQN were lied to. They were initially advised that the ad was to be removed after editorial scrutiny. Subsequently they were advised that the decision came from an intervention by senior officials.

 

We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

So which was true – and which was the lie?

Here’s a thing about the truth; it is seldom complicated, which is why the failure by the Guardian and the Herald to deliver a straightforward answer implies that there may be more to this nonsense than any of us first imagined.

At this point, it is worth noting that the Guardian is currently running an ad campaign by Toyota, a company who have admitted lying to environmental regulatory bodies for years about emissions from their cars (the Guardian professes to be a major campaigner on environmental issues), but won’t accept a paying ad that asks some polite and important questions about the conduct of a multi-million pound industry.

The denial  of the Res 12 guys’ right to ask questions (no accusations – just bloody questions) via the once assumed to be pluralist and free press, should be ringing alarm bells all over the country, and the substantive issue has become largely irrelevant as a consequence. We are now focused on a media conspiracy to impose censorship in favour of a multi-million pound industry –  to the detriment of its small investors and paying customers.

Two so-called quality newspapers, have mysteriously, after touting for advertising business, refused that very same business, and have given no good reason for doing so. If  the Guardian refuse to accept an ad, I don’t believe that is censorship in itself, but when the dwindling number of newspaper proprietors in this country conspire to arrange an effective blackout of ideas, that is quite clearly censorship.

And for something so relatively inconsequential as football, I can only assume that we have all stumbled on to something far more serious.

Given the recent media rhetoric about Russia Today and their forthright coverage of Chilcot and Tory Election Fraud, it seems that like so many of the players in this saga, the irony circuit in the collective press brain is now as devolved as a human tail.

There are dark forces at work in our country, and they are running riot with basic freedoms.  However it is important to put the football issue into the proper perspective; if the media can go to these corrupt lengths for a game of football, what will they do to protect the capital interests of arms manufacturers, food producers and media dictatorships?

They may have lost the war, but through fix after fix at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, the authorities are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right

Support for the SFA © Scotsman

Migrant fruit-pickers
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Back in soccer La-La-Land’s Mount Florida Fruit Factory, the football authorities most definitely lost the recent war. RFC went out of business and failed the fundamental task of any football club – to sustain itself. In allowing that to happen on their watch, the authorities failed in their most fundamental role – to keep RFC alive.

However through fix after fix, at the SFA and the SPL, in the press and in the media, they are winning the peace – basically by denying that any peace is possible until we all accept the notion that black is white, right is left, and wrong is right.

And still, even in this atmosphere, the major shareholders at all of our clubs sit and do nothing. Are they part of the problem, an integral part of the conspiracy? Or are they scared witless of the forces that may line up against them if they dare to grow a pair, like the Resolution 12 guys?

Sporting integrity has taken a back seat recently. Season ticket sales are up all over the place; Celtic provided a marquee manager; the red tops are ablaze about the ‘return’ of the Rangers; Hearts and Aberdeen are newly emerged from financial difficulty, and now enjoy the realistic prospect of new eras of success; and another competitive and exciting year beckons in the Championship.

 

In normal circumstances this would be fantastic news. But all of it is based on a Lie – the Lie that the game is run according to the rules, and for the benefit of all clubs. When the euphoria at Parkhead dies down; when TRFC are reinstalled (actually it will need to be with a shoehorn, but it will be done) as part of the old duopoly that sees the vital contribution made by the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen and others as insignificant; when the next major ‘bending’ of the regulations becomes necessary; all we will be left with is that Big Lie.

The clubs will eventually have to deal with that – and the complicit roles they played in ramming it down each and every one of our throats.

I hope we make them pay.

 

Another thing about the truth though is this;

Everyone with skin in this game, with the exception of the mentally deficient, know exactly what the truth is;

  • RFC cheated;
  • RFC evaded, avoided, and deliberately withheld payment of tax;
  • RFC failed to register players properly over (at least) a decade;
  • RFC lied to the SFA, the SPL and LNS;
  • Whilst all the above was happening, RFC won over a dozen on-field prizes;
  • The SFA rewrote the terms of LNS to better tailor their preferred outcome;
  • RFC were punished by way of a £250k fine. No other penalties were suffered by RFC;
  • RFC entered liquidation and a new club, which co-existed with RFC, began playing in competition BEFORE RFC’s SFA/SPL membership lapsed;
  • That club (TRFC for differentiation purposes) just achieved promotion to the Premiership;

As long as we keep reminding everyone of those truths, as long as we continue to give them a voice, they won’t go away.

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

The irony (and I exclude the TRFC fans who frequent this site) is that TRFC, despite having the weight of the football and press establishments behind them, are being done no favours at all.

The increasing pariah status of their club is a sad but inevitable consequence of the wrong-doing by the old club, because the fans (understandably to be fair) seek to side with their own partisan interests in the face of outside hostility.

But think of this. If the initial-ism ‘RFC’ above was replaced by the name of any other club in the country, wouldn’t TRFC fans be complaining as loudly as the rest of us?

And what if, next time, it is Hearts or Aberdeen or Celtic, who make a desperate attempt to get an edge over their rivals (an emergent TRFC perhaps)?

What if they run roughshod over the same rules that were broken before but remain unfixed? What if, as a consequence, a compliant TRFC are denied an opportunity to play in Europe, or compete in a final, or win a league?

Will we then still be ‘Rangers haters’ if we protest about that or merely Hearts or Dons or Celtic haters?

This is not about revenge – it never has been – and no amount of wishful thinking will make it so. For most of us on SFM, there is no RFC to have our revenge on anyway, so the accusation makes no sense.

What we are about, what we are all about, is weeding out the clucken wort in Scotland’s football garden on level six at Hampden.

And it appears that some extraordinarily powerful individual or group, with enough muscle to bend the fourth estate to their will, wants to keep us all away from that garden..

 

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on10:03 am - Jul 17, 2016


UPTHEHOOPS
JULY 17, 2016 at 08:07
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I agree, Celtic supporters I speak to in real life and online feel the same way. 

The only people I am aware of who think differently are people claiming to have spoken to un-named supporters or people telling Celtic supporters how they really feel. I don’t know how many times Hugh Keevins (as one example) has told Celtic supporters that we are all liars. If I say how I feel they are only too happy to tell me that simply isn’t true.

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on10:29 am - Jul 17, 2016


UTH, I don’t think anyone can say with absolute certainty what the reasons are for thousands of extra people buying season tickets. My guess, and it’s only that, would be that it’s a combination of the new manager and the games against Rangers. 

I noticed that the safe standing area was open at Parkhead yesterday. I know the reasons for all seater stadia but I do miss standing at the football, in the top leagues, and hope it’s a success. The photos looked impressive. 

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zam1Posted on10:44 am - Jul 17, 2016


Just to Add regarding the reply’s I had about “SILENCE IS CONSENT”.


The 5 way agreement•
Lord Nimmo Smith•
Awarding of past history to a new club (TRIFC)•
2 clubs having same membership at same time (Sevco + RFC)
The SFA/SPFL saying TRIFC same club (High court judges say different)
Res 12 = It DOES affect EVERY club !
TRIFC would have got back into the top tier if it wasn for Mr Turnbull.
Not one club has publicly came out and condemned anything.
SILENCE IS CONSENT !

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on10:54 am - Jul 17, 2016


Adam, I am sure you, as a TRFC supporter, will have a greater insight into whatever it is that might motivate Celtic supporters to buy season tickets than any Celtic fan could possibly have.Supporting TRFC is, after all, what gives the SMSM their ability to tell us all, what we think, even if we are, in fact, unaware of what we are thinking ourselves. I was a season ticket holder at Hearts, until Davisgate convinced me I was being cheated (little did I realise how much I was being cheated, though I knew which club was benefitting from it), and was completely unaware that I, and all the other ST holders, were only buying it because I wanted to see two games against Hibs and not, as I thought, because I wanted to see Hearts play absoluteey anybody!

Thanks for that insight, it makes not holding a season ticket so much easier now that the motivation to buy has gone since Hibs were no longer playing in the same league as Hearts!

Just for the record; I know of no Hearts supporter who has bought a season ticket for next season having been motivated through the arrival of TRFC to the Premiership, and none who have said they will wait until Hibs return there before buying one again either, however enjoyable the Derby match can be!

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on10:59 am - Jul 17, 2016


Back in ‘sunny’ Scotland for a break, and took my family to the Celtic game yesterday.

I wasn’t too sure if re-introducing standing was a good idea – but have to admit that it certainly added a highly audible, highly visual and entertaining element to the game, especially during quiet periods on the pitch.

For Scottish football, standing sections might be another way to improve the overall experience at other grounds ?

My family wished I had got tickets for the standing section… can’t win !  20

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on11:49 am - Jul 17, 2016


ALLYJAMBO, It may well be the case that the thousands of extra sales are only because of the appointment of a new manager.

I also don’t think it’s too unreasonable to suggest there might be an element who have bought tickets because of the Rangers games. I thinks it’s difficult to say for sure one way or the other. 

I claim no great insight here and all I’m doing is trying to add to the debate on SFM. I’m in no doubt that my views can be as ill informed as the next mans.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on11:57 am - Jul 17, 2016


INCREDIBLEADAMSPARK
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Not to speak for someone else, however my reading of what he said was that this was his take on it, based on speaking to other Celtic supporters. It is the same as mine.

People who don’t support Celtic may have a different experience and a different opinion on the matter. People like Keevins may choose to call us liars. People may want to think that it’s because the new club have entered top division for the first time. That is not my experience. 

I know Rangers died and the rivalry can no longer exist, Rangers aren’t “back”. I know that the new club and it’s support are behaving in a similar way to the last, spending money they don’t have and indulging in a supremacist “no-one likes us we don’t care” attitude. If this is the only way they can survive then I think we would be better off without them.

No matter what Hugh Keevins or anyone else thinks. 

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on12:21 pm - Jul 17, 2016


HOMUNCULUS, wouldn’t disagree with much of what you have written. I know this is not the prevalent view on SFM but there is still the belief, amoungst sections of both clubs and supporters, that Celtic and Rangers continue to be rivals.

I guess attendance and viewing figures for the games this season will be a good barometer of this. In my view, this fixture has been more trouble than it’s worth but I can’t see it changing any time soon. 

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on12:29 pm - Jul 17, 2016


ALLYJAMBO
JULY 17, 2016 at 10:54

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There are people who are of the view “It’s all about … {insert club they support here}”

If someone is of that mindset it is simply impossible for them to accept that actually it isn’t. It’s about people going to watch the club they support. It may even be about people just wanting to go to see a football match because they simply enjoy watching football. 

It’s not “all about” anyone.

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:40 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Adam, while it is possible that some Celtic supporters had already decided to buy season tickets purely on the grounds that (in their SMSM fuelled view) there would be a return of the OF matches, I doubt they would have made up the deficit of those refusing to renew due to the club’s lack of action over Resolution 12 and apparent unwillingness to spend and improve the team management and playing staff. The fervour to buy STs took off the instant Rodger’s signing had been announced. A fervour that had not been shown by the support previously, despite the fact TRFC’s promotion had been assured for some time. The reaction to Rodger’s signing may well have been aided, unwittingly, by the SMSM’s continued criticism of Deila which so lowered expectations that the announcement of a ‘messiah’ like figure pushed all doubts and criticisms of the board aside. The fact Celtic have pushed the boat out in this way might well suggest they were damned certain that any ‘Old Firm’ bounce was not going to have a significant impact on ST sales with a drop actually possible. If there was a significant number of Celtic supporters claiming that they were buying STs because the OF games were back then it’s a nap that some of our posters would have known some of them and posted their disappointment/disgust here. I can’t remember that happening.

I’m also certain that our Celtic supporting posters will spend a significant amount of time on Celtic blogs, where they will have been able to pick up on any ST buying interest due to the ‘return’ of the fabled OF matches! That would provide a much more honest and accurate barometer than anything published by the media. It is also extremely likely that every single TRFC supporters is desperate to believe/prove that every single Celtic supporter misses ‘Rangers’ as much as they do! Some no doubt will, but only for the basest of reasons.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on1:07 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Allyjambo

That is the point, the talk was of boycotting season tickets, not of selling them out. There was talk of Celtic season ticket sales dropping and the distinct possibility that the new club would outsell them.

Then Brendan Rodgers was employed as manager and the tickets have sold.

Looking at the availability on the official website, there are only two sections left with limited availability. There is no availability elsewhere. There are currently 2 seats left, one in each of the “limited availability” sections.

Employing Brendan Rodgers has not only cancelled out the boycott, it has also sold out the stadium. 

I believe Hearts have also sold out, or got very close to it. A good friend of mine couldn’t get two seats together quite some time ago. I’m assuming that is because Hearts supporters want to support their club and like the direction it is heading in. A good management team and the real prospect of fan ownership coming. Nothing to do with Hibs, or anyone else. 

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on1:18 pm - Jul 17, 2016


ALLYJAMBO, as a Hearts fan I’m sure you are expertly placed to provide an insight into what ‘every single’ Rangers fan thinks about anything. Many thanks for that. 

Removing my tongue from my cheek and stepping off the thin ice…. I would say that Celtic season ticket sales will this season return to levels previously seen when the old Rangers played in the top division. 

Is this the only reason for the increase in sales? No. Might it be a factor? It could well be. One of many factors. 

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upthehoopsPosted on1:48 pm - Jul 17, 2016


INCREDIBLEADAMSPARKJULY 17, 2016 at 10:29 
UTH, I don’t think anyone can say with absolute certainty what the reasons are for thousands of extra people buying season tickets. My guess, and it’s only that, would be that it’s a combination of the new manager and the games against Rangers. 
I noticed that the safe standing area was open at Parkhead yesterday. I know the reasons for all seater stadia but I do miss standing at the football, in the top leagues, and hope it’s a success. The photos looked impressive.
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Adam, take it from me that had Ronny Deila remained at Celtic, or a similar low key appointment had been made, season ticket take up would have been poor.  I know the club were fearful of dropping to between 20-30k sales. Then along came Brendan Rodgers and the sales shoot through the roof. 

Despite what some people try to say, Celtic are not dependent on Rangers to survive. Only one club hit the wall owing the taxpayer and others millions.  Despite this assault on the public purse, the media and the authorities do all they can to promote ‘Rangers’ as the most important club in the country.  Incredible, but true.

The atmosphere from the safe standing area was brilliant. It will be amazing when full.

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on2:05 pm - Jul 17, 2016


UTH, I take your point and I was only suggesting his appointment, whilst a major factor in sales, might not have been the only one. 

Its good to hear that the safe standing area was a success. I would love to see them in more stadiums. Do you know how the cost of a ticket for that area compares to other parts of the stadium? 

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on2:27 pm - Jul 17, 2016


   James saying Puma and possibly RED 32 considering action.

http://thecelticblog.com/2016/07/blogs/are-puma-set-to-sue-sevco-over-missed-kit-launch/

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upthehoopsPosted on3:02 pm - Jul 17, 2016


INCREDIBLEADAMSPARKJULY 17, 2016 at 14:05 
UTH, I take your point and I was only suggesting his appointment, whilst a major factor in sales, might not have been the only one. 
Its good to hear that the safe standing area was a success. I would love to see them in more stadiums. Do you know how the cost of a ticket for that area compares to other parts of the stadium?
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Adam, I believe the price is the same as what a seat would have been. It is not the most expensive part of the ground so I guess it will be around £400. I have heard rumblings from people who did not want to remain there and were transferred to more expensive areas. They get the seat for the same price this year, but the following year they pay full price.  

I think a lot of clubs may make moves to do this now. When visiting fans to Celtic Park see the area I think they will lobby their clubs to do the same. Grounds that are already busy for most games such as Ibrox and Tynecastle would benefit from it. 

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tony

tonyPosted on3:24 pm - Jul 17, 2016


UPTHEHOOPS
at a cost of more than £500,000 i don’t think it will happen at ibrox for quite some time

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upthehoopsPosted on4:20 pm - Jul 17, 2016


TONYJULY 17, 2016 at 15:24 
UPTHEHOOPSat a cost of more than £500,000 i don’t think it will happen at ibrox for quite some time
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I wasn’t actually aware that was the cost. Money always appears from somewhere at Ibrox though. 

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tony

tonyPosted on4:22 pm - Jul 17, 2016


UPTHEHOOPS
i’d assume safe standing will be well down the list when they have substantial stadium repairs according to reports

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on4:37 pm - Jul 17, 2016


i’d assume safe seating will be a priority first,when they have substantial stadium repairs according to reports

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helpmaboab

helpmaboabPosted on6:12 pm - Jul 17, 2016


The way Henrik Stenson is playing he’ll be doing the half time Paradise Windfall draw.

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bordersdonPosted on10:33 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Despite what some people try to say, Celtic are not dependent on Rangers to survive.
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Interdependent. Not to survive obviously but to thrive.

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jimboPosted on10:40 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Celtic beat Wolfsberg 2-1.  Newly promoted Rangers beat established Motherwell.   Can we talk about this?

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bordersdonPosted on10:48 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Couldn’t give a flying f@@k about any of that!

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jimboPosted on10:58 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Actually no.  John Clark is correct.  This site is all about the governance and reporting of Scottish football.  But I feel so tempted at times to talk about football.  I can and do so on other sites.  But this is my mother site.  Forgive me when I transgress.02

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motor redPosted on11:19 pm - Jul 17, 2016


Celtic beat Wolfsberg 2-1. Newly promoted Rangers beat established Motherwell. Can we talk about this?

No, this is an ABERDEEN SITE. cue the avalanche.
there is one issue that irk’s me and no doubt quite a few don’s, why is it the new club will be given about 25 % of the stadium[cetic park] yet the don’s only get a measly 2000 tickets. when in most instances they would take about 5000 for the game. celtic have always given the dead club special treatment and no doubt the love in for the new govan club will shine once again. am going for the record, here.lol. am sure there must be some celtic fans that would agree with me, that no club should be seen above another. if it’s about an agreement between the glasgow club’s. then the love in  truly does exist in don’s supporters eyes and am sure many other club fan’s also.

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John ClarkPosted on12:16 am - Jul 18, 2016


motor redJuly 17, 2016 at 23:19
‘…that no club should be seen above another.’
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That should certainly be the case when it comes to compliance/non-compliance with the Rules and Articles of Association of the SFA and SPFL. (And this blog is about exposing how it certainly has NOT been the case in the dealing by those authorities with  the monstrous breaches of Rules and Articles  that we have seen committed by SDM’s RFC)
I am entirely with you in spirit, but my knowledge of how clubs shape and manage their policy on ticket allocation and pricing to away clubs is virtually non-existent, except that I think there is a minimum price below which they may not go. I would wish there was a maximum price above which they couldn’t go!
I hope someone has a bit of knowledge about this aspect of football and is prepared to post some info.

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motor redPosted on1:00 am - Jul 18, 2016


my last post on this being an aberdeen site was just a bit of fun obviously.
i float around youtube and  post my thoughts to new club fans and its always one big kafflic conspiracy in their eye’s. this really gets up my goat  which ends up with me playing the neil simpson card ,only then do some get it,though many still refuse to see past the media narrative. . id also like to say  thank you j clark ,you are the one who has at times stopped fellow celtic fan’s from getting too carried away, am sure there are many fans that appreciate your intervention as i do.this is a scottish football site of sorts after all.

keep up the good work folk’s.

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upthehoopsPosted on6:44 am - Jul 18, 2016


BORDERSDONJULY 17, 2016 at 22:33
Despite what some people try to say, Celtic are not dependent on Rangers to survive.——————————————————————————Interdependent. Not to survive obviously but to thrive.
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I’m sure Fergus McCann would tell you Celtic were absolutely thriving when he took them over!  Even if someone wanted to narrow this debate down to two clubs only one of them can win the league. If one of them wins the league over a prolonged period it means the other suffers.  

As I’ve said before I really can’t be bothered with this ‘two cheeks of the same a*rse’ stuff. Celtic did not cheat the taxpayer and many others out of millions. There is no pending supreme court case to decide whether Celtic ran a systemic policy of tax evasion for a decade.  The SFA have never had to make up a rule to regard Celtic as the same club as one that was liquidated.  Celtic’s affairs are given regular critical scrutiny by the Scottish media, despite transparent corporate governance.   Rangers offer zero transparency yet simply issue statements to the media to reproduce on their behalf. 

Only Celtic fans have to love Celtic, but it is downright wrong for other fans to compare them to that cheating wreck of a club from Ibrox. 

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on8:27 am - Jul 18, 2016


As a Celtic supporter I am more than happy to say that Rangers should not be given a bigger allocation at Celtic Park than any other club.

That would be my ideal scenario. Everyone who visits is offered the same section of the ground, if they fill it grand, if they don’t then those seats are left empty. As far as I understand it that’s the way it works for everyone else.

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on8:52 am - Jul 18, 2016


UPTHEHOOPSJULY 18, 2016 at 06:44 
Two cheeks of the same SFArce?……That will be Rangers(I.L.) and Sevco then.  
Totally agree UTH.   The only time Celtic and Sevco should even be mentioned in the same breath, is when reading out the results. 
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MOTOR REDJULY 17, 2016 at 23:19
    Is that right about the 25% ticket allocation?…. It’s news to me.
   Can you provide a link before I write a letter of complaint?

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on10:02 am - Jul 18, 2016


HOMUNCULUSJULY 18, 2016 at 08:27 5 1  Rate This 
As a Celtic supporter I am more than happy to say that Rangers should not be given a bigger allocation at Celtic Park than any other club.
That would be my ideal scenario. Everyone who visits is offered the same section of the ground, if they fill it grand, if they don’t then those seats are left empty. As far as I understand it that’s the way it works for everyone else.
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There was a time when David Murray wanted to stop any ticket allocation going to visiting celtic fans to ibrox ibrox for damage to seats. and was going to make the next old firm game rangers fans only.
Mr Murray added: ”The board of directors has taken the decision to
withhold all ticketing allocations to Celtic Football Club in respect of
our next scheduled league match at Ibrox on Saturday, April 30. Tickets
will be available only to Rangers supporters.
”We regret the matter has reached this point. However, due to the
intransigent attitude of Celtic Football Club and their lack of
responsibility with regard to the behaviour of their supporters’
behaviour, we believe no other course of action is now available to
us.” Rangers wrote to Celtic on Tuesday informing them of the ban.
Celtic chairman Kevin Kelly said: ”This matter was raised at the
Scottish League management committee last week when it was agreed that
clubs should be responsible only for their own grounds.
”We have suffered damage at Celtic Park but prefer to keep it quiet
rather than draw attention to the kind of people who do these things.
However, banning another club’s fans is a dangerous action to take.”
Mr Murray says that the problem hit him suddenly while he was writing
a cheque for #142,000 to be paid to Celtic for Rangers’ ticket
allocation at the last Old Firm match at Celtic Park on New Year’s Day.
It struck him that he was collecting for Celtic when in return their
fans go to his ground and cause damage.
”They don’t buy our programmes or eat our fast food. But they do
smash our seats,” he said.
Rangers also say that they have to pay an added #12,000 on their
police bill when Celtic visit. Mr Murray does not fear a backlash with
Celtic refusing to give tickets to Rangers’ fans. He knows, of course,
that Celtic, who are more than #5m in debt, cannot afford to go without
the money generated by Rangers’ supporters.
Mr Murray also knows he can sell out Ibrox when Celtic play even
without their supporters.
There is no law in the game which states that clubs must give their
opponents tickets and Mr Peter Donald, secretary of the Scottish League,
said: ”It is most unfortunate and there is no doubt that part of
football’s attraction is the atmosphere which can be generated by
supporters of opposing clubs.”
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full article here  http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12700261.Ibrox_ban_on_Celtic_fans/
Don’t know if this is slightly off topic with the ticket allocation posts, so mods can delete.
just wanted to show that it has been thought of not giving visiting fans a ticket allocation and some of the pros & cons of doing so.
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Ps. this part stuck out.
Celtic, who are more than #5m in debt, cannot afford to go without
the money generated by Rangers’ supporters.
Mr Murray also knows he can sell out Ibrox when Celtic play even
without their supporters. 09

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on10:16 am - Jul 18, 2016


As I understand it Rangers do not get 25% allocation for Celtic Park. The agreement is that both clubs will supply the other with something like 8,500 – 10,000 tickets. I believe that is around 14% – 16% of Celtic Park’s capacity.

That is only from memory so it could easily be wrong.

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on10:23 am - Jul 18, 2016


HOMUNCULUSJULY 18, 2016 at 10:16 0 0  Rate This 
As I understand it Rangers do not get 25% allocation for Celtic Park. The agreement is that both clubs will supply the other with something like 8,500 – 10,000 tickets. I believe that is around 14% – 16% of Celtic Park’s capacity.
That is only from memory so it could easily be wrong.
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Will there be a decrease in allocation for ibrox fans now with the new standing section in that part of the ground?

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on10:28 am - Jul 18, 2016


“… And They Wonder Why Nobody Buys Papers”

From the Daily Record.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brazil-legend-ronaldo-close-signing-8440708#dbwxuHpUiQdrvZ0p.97

Brazil legend Ronaldo was so close to signing for Rangers and would only have played in Champions League says agent.

THE then-Barcelona striker almost moved to Ibrox in 1997 in a £20million deal but the hotshot instead chose to join Inter Milan despite the tempting offer.

The 20-year-old had just finished his first season at Barca and won the World Player of the Year award but he was unhappy at his contract at the Nou Camp.

It was announced any club who were willing to buy out the remainder of his contract, which was worth £20m, were free to sign him and it came down to a straight choice between Inter, Lazio and Rangers.

“The offer from Glasgow Rangers was incredible. They told us he didn’t have to play on a Saturday in the Scottish League.
“They were desperate to win the Champions League and were going to allow him to play in the European matches only.

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£20m, in those days, for a player who would only play in European competition and not domestically. 

This is either true, and total madness, or it is a total fabrication. Is it however “news”, or is it a “look how great Rangers were” piece.

And they wonder …

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John ClarkPosted on10:35 am - Jul 18, 2016


Cluster OneJuly 18, 2016 at 10:02
‘…..Mr Murray also knows he can sell out Ibrox .’
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And boy, some years later,didn’t he make a brilliant job of ‘selling out’ not only Ibrox,  but  also his own integrity and causing   our Football governance people to sell theirs.
And astonishingly, scarce a word of criticism was aimed at him.

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upthehoopsPosted on10:43 am - Jul 18, 2016


CLUSTER ONEJULY 18, 2016 at 10:23Will there be a decrease in allocation for ibrox fans now with the new standing section in that part of the ground?
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The standing section is not close to where visiting fans at Celtic Park will be, including fans from Ibrox. The standing section is section 411. Rangers fans reach only as far as section 416. 

On another note the article someone posted about David Murray banning Celtic fans from Ibrox showed the control he had over the media at that time (and possibly still does!).  A Rangers fan I worked with at the time had a season ticket for an area of the main stand that had to be relocated to another area due to refurbishment work. Guess where he was relocated to for the Celtic game?! However, it was far easier for Murray to use a compliant media to demonise Celtic fans. That is not to say some Celtic fans did not smash seats at Ibrox, which was idiotic and completely wrong.  When the old Rangers visited Celtic Park the toilets and seats were regularly trashed, and I’m sure will be again. Idiots exist among more than one club, that’s for sure.  It’s just a pity the media would rather make some clubs fans out to be bigger idiots than others.  In fact I noticed a BBC report the other day implying the Scottish Cup final in May was Hibernian v Football. The report referred to four Hibs fans going to court along with ‘three other football fans’. Wow!

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motor redPosted on10:44 am - Jul 18, 2016


thank you homunculus. i was going by celtic receiving a full end at ibrox which seems to be filled,so figured about 25% at both grounds.  so corrupt official i may well have got this wrong. one thing for sure, the dons get nothing like the dead club used to get.

to up the hoops. i must say i do use the term arse cheek when talking to the zombies as i will be deemed a taig otherwise and not taken seriously as everything is a kafflic conspiracy to them. i have no ill will against celtic, if the new club passed away id like to think celtic would let go of the irish thing to a certain extent and become more like hibs in good time.

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Cluster One

Cluster OnePosted on11:13 am - Jul 18, 2016


JOHN CLARKJULY 18, 2016 at 10:35 7 0  Rate This 
Cluster OneJuly 18, 2016 at 10:02‘…..Mr Murray also knows he can sell out Ibrox .’
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Yes he knew.And he knew with no visiting fans,  Rangers would not  have to pay an added #12,000 on theirpolice bill when Celtic visit. And he knew he would not be writinga cheque for #142,000 to be paid to Celtic for Rangers’ ticketallocation.And he knew visiting fans don’t buy our programmes or eat our fast food.He knew he could make more money having the home fans only. It was all about the money with him and feck the sport as a whole.
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Ps thanks for all replies. A couple of posts is enough for me to be posting.

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Homunculus

HomunculusPosted on11:28 am - Jul 18, 2016


“… if the new club passed away id like to think celtic would let go of the irish thing …”

Sorry if this comes across as being obtuse, but what does that even mean. 

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motor redPosted on12:42 pm - Jul 18, 2016


irish thing?. yes i wasn’t very clear admittedly. am talking about the connection and the need to constantly sing rebel songs that have absolutely nothing to do with football or scotland.  many celtic fans see this as there identity, if they feel so strongly about this then perhaps celtic should apply to the irish league and embrace all things irish instead of reminding the people of scotland that you’d rather be identified as irish rather than scottish of which there are many of them, as i have came across such a large number of celtic fans  that feel this way and the new club should probably go to the other side of the border as they are as good as anti scot’s in my eyes..  .or you can tone it down and embrace all thing’s scottish. 
its a while since i have been to game, so am assuming  nothing has changed as the club from ibrox will constantly bait you in that direction,leaving celtic fans to pull out the rebel songs.i used to live with a celtic supporter who constantly played tape after tape of rebel songs,i soon moved out.

even billy mcneil said that it were more affiliated to ireland than scotland or something along that lines. personally id be happy for celtic to stay and stop all this nonsense and get away from the hate

let the avalanche of irish TD begin.

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Bawsman

BawsmanPosted on12:55 pm - Jul 18, 2016


If Celtic’s ancestry were Black, Jewish, Islamic, etc. this would not be an Issue. In fact anyone denying the Celtic fans the right to be proud of their roots would be called out for the racists and bigots they are.
Irish and /or Catholic is an issue for Scots. Deal with YOUR problem.

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on12:57 pm - Jul 18, 2016


   I recall reading that when ST’s were being spoke of, 5% of capacity, had to be held back to facilitate visiting fans.
  I don’t know if such a thing exists this season, for there to be a ST inclusive, or exclusive of a Sevco game, or how that would affect away allocations.   

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motor redPosted on1:47 pm - Jul 18, 2016


BAWSMAN.If Celtic’s ancestry were Black, Jewish, Islamic, etc. this would not be an Issue. In fact anyone denying the Celtic fans the right to be proud of their roots would be called out for the racists and bigots they are.Irish and /or Catholic is an issue for Scots. Deal with YOUR problem.

mmm, well if they were jewish or islamic i certainly wouldnt like it, it dont like religion,its basically for people that are gullible insecure or have had the fear of some invisible sky daddy hammered into them when they were children. claiming the irish as a race,yes, fair enough,if its the same race on race that point falls down. if celtic fans wish to hold on to there roots like say hibernian fine. just keep your rebel songs/religion at home or go over in the ferry to ireland for a sing song.
i actually meet some scots/celtic fans talking in an irish accents on match day once, whats that about?

you try explaining to people that celtic are  a scottish club abroad when all they see are irish colours,not easy if your being honest.

btw i quite like the irish its the plastic ones that make me cringe and no doubt many others.
this is an uncomfortable topic for celtic fans but from our side of the fence it really is cringeworthy. somethings need to be said, deal with it.

hitchens..Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it..

STANDFREE from sky daddys.

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paddy malarkey

paddy malarkeyPosted on1:49 pm - Jul 18, 2016


BawsmanJuly 18, 2016 at 12:55

“Up to our knees in Muslim blood ” – is that not what the Brits sang during the Crusades ?  They were certainly singing a variation at Motherwell on Saturday .

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easyJamboPosted on4:07 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Corrupt official  July 17, 2016 at 14:27 
James saying Puma and possibly RED 32 considering action.
http://thecelticblog.com/2016/07/blogs/are-puma-set-to-sue-sevco-over-missed-kit-launch/
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Re James’ blog, there is an interesting precedent for a club being sued by their shirt sponsors.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/overthescore/7213705/Juventus-fined-2million-for-releasing-shirts-that-IGNORE-their-corrupt-history.html?

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Juventus fined €2million for releasing shirts that IGNORE their corrupt history
It is being reported that Juventus have been fined €2million for allowing the release of unauthorised official merchandise.
Supposedly, the club permitted the sales of shirts featuring three gold stars above the badge.
In Italy, teams are allowed a gold star for every ten Serie A titles won and a silver star for every ten Coppa Italia victories.
When Juventus won the league back in 2012 they requested shirts with three stars to be produced by Nike to commemorate their 30th Serie A triumph.
Nike denied this request as Juventus were technically stripped of two Serie A titles after the Calciopoli corruption scandal.
You’ll remember The Old Lady were also relegated to Serie B as part of their punishment.
Despite Nike’s rejection, Juventus commissioned the production of three-starred shirts anyway, which could be purchased by fans but not worn by players for games.
This led to Nike’s mutual termination as Juventus’ kit provider in 2013.
Now the club have been forced to pay Nike €2million in damages, although the sportswear giants initially demanded €80m.
Juventus themselves claim the fine is ‘considerably less’ than €2million.
These days Juventus’ Adidas kit does feature three stars above the badge as they have now legitimately won 32 titles.
Costly mistake it seems. </blockquote>

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shug

shugPosted on4:16 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Mark Warburton has revealed that cash-strapped Sevco are struggling to put together the development fee for Joe Dodoo.
The Leicester strike ace- who has been likened with Jamie Vardy, Filip Sebo and a young Zlatan Ibrahimovic- is out of contract but the Premier League champions are still due a fee for the time spent developing the academy ace.
It’s believed that a sum in the region of £143,652.82 is involved with funds in short supply at Ibrox following the signings of Josh Windass, Dean Crooks and Jordan Rossiter by the same means.
Confirming that Dodoo is unlikely to play against Annan Athletic tomorrow Warbo said: ‘I’m hoping the paperwork is being finalised. The two clubs are talking. It’s above my pay grade so I will let the clever people get on with that and I’ll do my stuff out there.

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jean7brodie

jean7brodiePosted on4:27 pm - Jul 18, 2016


motor redJuly 18, 2016 at 13:47
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You are entitled to dislike religion. I do, however, find your comments, on those who are relgious, patronising. I am not gullible/ insecure and I haven’t had anything hammered into me.
Please don’t generalise.

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SmugasPosted on4:52 pm - Jul 18, 2016


So if I’m getting this shirt thing right:

Jeventus the Club ordered Nike the Company to produce their shirts to spec.  Nike the Company told Jeventus the Company to check with Jeventus the Club about a minor tet a tet vis a vis a trifling major corruption scandal.  Jeventus the Club told Jeventus the Company that Nike the Company could do one and so Nike the Company attempted to sue the ass off Jeventus the Company.  Amazingly (and one would say cynically) the Continental Ref did his own thing and found that Jeventus the Company should be forced to pay €2m, estimated to be significantly below what Jeventus the Company would have made from selling the hookey shirts in the first place.  Jeventus the Company therefore appear to have had a lucky break which is why Jeventus the Club are still speaking to them and attaching themselves like a bad smell.  Had this gone any other way in favour of Nike the Company then Jeventus the Club would have done the three monkeys and Jeventus the Company would have become JFC 2016 IL.

Is that about it?    

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Famous songPosted on5:03 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Thought we had an epiphany in prospect today, opening my Times (the London variant, not the shark jump version), and seeing the predictably witless Ewing Grahame use the words ‘rewriting history’ in relation to pronouncements from St Warbs. Alas and alack, it merely signified that Grahame disagreed with Warbs on the game just completed, Motherwell vs The Former Sevco Scotland. So, The a Times style guide presumably approves of the phrase in relation to differences of opinion. But not the actual rewriting of, you know, history. As indulged in on a weekly basis by Warburton, his employers, everybody involved in reporting Scottish football at The Times……

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StevieBC

StevieBCPosted on5:05 pm - Jul 18, 2016


SHUG
JULY 18, 2016 at 16:16 

Mark Warburton has revealed that cash-strapped Sevco are struggling to put together the development fee for Joe Dodoo.The Leicester strike ace- who has been likened with… a young Zlatan Ibrahimovic  09 

It’s believed that a sum in the region of £143,652.82 is involved…
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I’m not a mean Internet Bampot.

To help this new club, I am more than happy to chip in…the 82 pence.  22

[A ‘young Ibra’ – who Leicester don’t want ?  Absolutely,  p!sh !]

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TrisidiumPosted on6:09 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Motorred

I think you’ve gone a wee bit OTT here. Celtic fans talking in Irish accents? I think they may have seen you coming 🙂

Unless of course they were ACTUALLY Irish.

Just because a few (or whatever number you imagine) Celtic fans sing songs the rest of us are embarrassed by isn’t a reason for Celtic to apply to the Irish league. Perhaps then all of us socialists should apply for Cuban or Chinese visas (now that the previous advice to piss off to Russia is out of the question)?

I am also pretty sure that there are many Irish and Scots and [insert nationality here] atheists who still subscribe to their national cultures. You don’t require to be signed up to some religion or other to be proud of your heritage. 

I say this as a Sots atheist of Irish descent who happily finds Scots and Irish folk music extremely boring and painfully dissonant. 

I have a lot of respect for your input on this blog MR, as many of your comments are thought provoking (the very reason we wanted to maintain the cross partisan comradeship from RTC). For that reason I can’t believe you have conflated a pride in ancestral or cultural heritage with political insurgence.

Maybe this is a place where we as a country have no common ground, but I hope not.

Is it somehow subversive to feel an affiliation to another country?  And if so, then how so? To take that view is I think a mistake.

London Irish, Scots, and Welsh all have rugby clubs who take pride in their heritage. I don’t see any criticisms of their paradigm. Would a football club founded by say a Polish or Norwegian or Pakistani immigrant be seen as subversive if it paid homage to its roots? My god I hope not.

I don’t see anything wrong in making a positive case for anything or for being anything. Its the antis – those who only know what they don’t like (even if they don’t quite know why) that we should guard against. That is a far bigger problem for me – and a far greater danger to harmony in society.

I am third generation Scots/Irish. I don’t feel Irish at all – although I don’t mind dipping in and out of it from time to time. And doing so doesn’t make me a centilitre less Scottish.

Rough litmus test: I was more excited by Wales in the Euros than by either flavour of Irish. My nationality and identity is very much Scottish too, but it does rankle a bit to be told that any connection with my heritage is undesirable.

As I say, I have always been a critic of those who use Celtic as a focal point for troubles-era Irish politics – as are most Celtic fans of my acquaintance. But that is not the same as having the option to stay in touch with my roots (ethnic music, for which I have no taste whatever, aside) 🙂

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Cluster OnePosted on7:10 pm - Jul 18, 2016


MOTOR REDJULY 18, 2016 at 13:47
you try explaining to people that celtic are a scottish club abroad when all they see are irish colours,not easy if your being honest.
Being honest you say that is not irish colours. That is celtic’s colours
see easy and honest.02

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helpmaboab

helpmaboabPosted on8:40 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Five people including three policemen to have been killed in a terrorist attack in Almaty in Kazakhstan. Given the likelihood that Celtic will play in Kazakhstan against Astana, this will surely raise security concerns for the Club.

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motor redPosted on9:53 pm - Jul 18, 2016


dear jean ,[removed]

tris.you havent walked in my shoes. i know some of them were scots i went to school with them.

Sorry M – still not buying the accents thing. Too bizarre for words.

embarrassed?. they are supposed to be scottish,[billy mc neil] but more importantly it feed’s into the ibrox hate narrative.do you get it now.the rest of your post comes across as regressive waffel .so  why not shed the colours and leave the hate at sevco’s door,wouldnt that be something.

It appears to have fed into something else M. If you can’t differentiate between political rabble-rousing and an affection for something, you are part of the problem that you claim to be trying to fix. BTW we all now Bill McNeill is Scottish, but I don’t see what that has to do with it.

by the way am a big basher of hateful supremacist ideaologys[islam in particular] and the far left are closing down free speech which IMO is giving rise to the far right. before anyone starts i also pity the muslim. boy is this going to get some of you hot under the collar. cue, racist ,islamophobe,bigot,then the christian squirrel  get’s released . 

Yes that’s what it sounds like. I am sad at your decision to deliberately insult Jean – and other folk of faith – needlessly, although those comments have been removed. Nor even myself for that matter. It is not the way of our blog to treat people like that, whatever your view of their ideaologys (sic). Sadly I have had to move you to moderation. Perhaps it’s been a bad day, but it is rather dispiriting to see.
No doubt you will see this as an act of Irish subversion. So be it.
Tris

hitchens. [Removed]

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AOBPosted on10:52 pm - Jul 18, 2016


Re Helpmaboab at 20.40 
You mention an incident in Almaty. This city is about 650 miles away from Astana, so maybe not as bad as you reckon. (equivalent of Glasgow to Paris -approx).

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John ClarkPosted on7:13 am - Jul 19, 2016


So, today the International Olympic Committee will decide whether to ban Russia from the Rio games.
This prompts me to a bit of speculation as to which is ultimately the most  damaging of these four situations:
a) a lone, individual sports competitor cheating for personal glory/reward
b) a State organised multi-sport ‘compulsory’ cheating regime for reasons of State international prestige
c) the cheating of a Football  governing body aimed at protecting and defending one cheating football club at the expense of truth and all other football clubs
or
d) the complicity of a ‘free’ press in supporting the cheating of (c)

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helpmaboab

helpmaboabPosted on7:45 am - Jul 19, 2016


AOB July 18 at 22:52
Indeed.Unfortunately distance is no barrier to terrorism these days as recent events have shown. I’m sure the club will take all necessary precautions.

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upthehoopsPosted on8:44 am - Jul 19, 2016


JOHN CLARKJULY 19, 2016 at 07:13 
So, today the International Olympic Committee will decide whether to ban Russia from the Rio games.This prompts me to a bit of speculation as to which is ultimately the most  damaging of these four situations:a) a lone, individual sports competitor cheating for personal glory/rewardb) a State organised multi-sport ‘compulsory’ cheating regime for reasons of State international prestigec) the cheating of a Football  governing body aimed at protecting and defending one cheating football club at the expense of truth and all other football clubsord) the complicity of a ‘free’ press in supporting the cheating of (c)
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Point (d) is the biggest single reason cheating won the day. Had the press made a stance for the truth to be spoken and rules to be followed it would not have happened.  Instead they left us in no doubt they would rather see a Rangers succeed than any other club. They don’t mind Celtic winning sometimes, but ultimately Rangers must always be seen to be superior. Make no mistake, that is the nub of the matter with the same club lie. No way would it ever be tolerated that Celtic could be viewed as superior to Rangers. So even when Rangers steal millions from the taxpayer they are still superior to everyone else. Everything about them is superior, even their convicted criminal chairman is viewed as superior.

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RMcGeddawnPosted on8:51 am - Jul 19, 2016


MOTORRED
“then perhaps celtic should apply to the irish league and embrace all things irish instead of reminding the people of scotland that you’d rather be identified as irish rather than scottish of which there are many of them, as i have came across such a large number of celtic fans that feel this way and the new club should probably go to the other side of the border as they are as good as anti scot’s in my eyes.. .or you can tone it down and embrace all thing’s scottish.”

So basically immigrants to this country should keep their heads down and integrate better and never mind acknowledging their culture and roots. Approximately 15% of Scots are of an Irish background and have been for over 100 years – just a little reminder that the word Scots comes from an ancient Irish tribe. 

Finally not really wanting to go where these points take us on this blog but I couldn’t resist your final point – “embrace all things Scottish” – eh that would include the SFA too?

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Jingso.JimsiePosted on10:10 am - Jul 19, 2016


…and they wonder why nobody buys papers???


Perhaps the more discerning football fan can see through the web spun by the likes of Warburton & others:

His latest monologue (young players should move on loan to England or Europe, out of their comfort zone, to improve. Do you think that reflects well on Scottish football & your place within in, Mark?) to the media masses should have encouraged spiky questioning, particularly on the day he loaned a player with first team experience to St. Mirren

Warburton seems blind to the fact that there are thousands of young players looking for first team football, all over the UK & Europe, not just at Ibrox/Murray Park. Well Mark, teams can strip eighteen & utilise fourteen (even if you sometimes don’t/can’t! Pesky five-figure bonuses, eh?). Supply exceeds demand, Mark.

Not just in the ibrox microcosm, but all over…

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on11:00 am - Jul 19, 2016


JINGSO.JIMSIEJULY 19, 2016 at 10:10 
…and they wonder why nobody buys papers???
Perhaps the more discerning football fan can see through the web spun by the likes of Warburton & others:
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   He is talking cack.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/425/9906982/liam-henderson-believes-a-loan-spell-in-norway-will-help-become-a-celtic-regular

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/426147/Tony-Watt-leaves-Celtic-to-join-Belgian-side-Lierse-on-loan

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TrisidiumPosted on11:17 am - Jul 19, 2016


Apologies for the need to edit a couple of posts yesterday. The abusive tone of one poster aside, I do think that the discussion about ‘Irishness’ is useful to have.

For example, for me it is just a bit of fun handed down, and easily identified with. Given the political history of the last few hundred years, is it something that instils distrust n others?

Wouldn’t it be great if we could have that debate without sarcasm and name calling on either side? One of the strengths of this forum has been the recognition that we have more in common as people and football fans than we have differences. 

My point is, short of deliberately trying to wind folk up with tales of mass Irish impersonators :-), I don’t want us to run away from the issue. I think we are more than capable of engaging soberly.

One of the dispiriting aspects of online discussion, whether it is about politics or sport, is that it it quickly dissembles into abuse. Be nice if we could all stop to ponder that the other guy’s opinion, however divergent from our own, is held in good faith.

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TrisidiumPosted on11:20 am - Jul 19, 2016


Press release from ICT

19th July 2016 :

Allie MacKenzie Memorial Match
Inverness CT v Ross County Legends
Sunday 24th July : 2pm kick-off
Tulloch Caledonian Stadium

Allie MacKenzie was a big character in Inverness and his many friends and colleagues straddled both the business and football fraternities.  It was Allie’s wish to bring together the two Highland SPFL football clubs to raise funds and increase awareness of the important rolls undertaken by the Highland Hospice and Macmillan Cancer Support, two charities who’s work amazed him and played a sizeable role in the latter part of his life.

Teams from Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC and Ross County FC will take part in the memorial match, with each club fielding their ‘Legends’. John Docherty will be in charge of the Caley Jags and Bobby Wilson will head up the Staggies.  The British Legion Pipe Band will also perform at the match.

A Gala Dinner will also take place on Saturday 29th October 2016 at the Kingsmills Hotel.  This is the first time that both football clubs have supported a joint dinner and they are delighted to assist in raising further funds and awareness for Allie’s chosen charities. Tickets are priced at £80.00 per person and places can be booked by contacting Katie Gibb on 01463 227907 or K.Gibb@highlandhospice.org.uk.

 

Kenny Cameron, ICTFC Chairman, said: “We encourage the fans of both Clubs to come out in their numbers in support of their respective “Legends” and, more importantly, to assist in raising funds and awareness for the charities which were very close to Allie’s heart and provided such wonderful care for him.”

Roy MacGregor, RCFC Chairman said: “I knew Allie well and he will be much missed by all who were fortunate enough to have met him. As a club we are delighted to support – along with our neighbours from over the Kessock Bridge – a fantastic event that brings together Ross County and Inverness Caledonian Thistle legends and supporters in aid of two fantastic causes. I urge as many of you as possible to attend the match and dinner so that the Highland Hospice and Macmillan may benefit and be able to offer their support to others as they did to Allie and his family. That would be a wonderful tribute to Allie.”

Entry to the match is by donation, with a minimum suggestion of £5 for Adults and £3 for Kids. Entry will be via the ICTFC Family Sports Bar located at the south end of the main stand. All funds raised will be split between Highland Hospice and Macmillan Cancer Support.

Katie Gibb, Highland Hospice, said: “We are delighted and honoured to be remembering a very special man through these wonderful events.  As we move to the end of our Project Build Appeal to rebuild our Inpatient Unit, the significance of the match and dinner will touch the hearts of many. I would urge anyone who knew Allie or has an interest in football, to come along and show their support to Allie’s family, Highland Hospice and Macmillan.”

Christina Brockman-More, Macmillan Cancer Support, said: “It’s an honour to be working so closely with one of the most loved charities in the Highlands, and our 2 local football clubs. Opportunities like this don’t come along often so I want to extend a heartfelt thank you to the MacKenzie family for choosing Macmillan as one of the beneficiary charities and to everyone working together to make sure both the match and dinner are a success. I hope both events are well supported and are a fitting tribute to Allie”

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celtic fc incorporated 1897Posted on11:29 am - Jul 19, 2016


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9418724/Rangers-in-crisis-Sevco-have-until-Friday-to-gain-SFA-membership-and-play-football-next-season.html
came across this article and it really is straight to the point no nonsense facts … 

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on11:31 am - Jul 19, 2016


CORRUPT OFFICIAL, Tony Watt scored 10 goals in 16 games for Lierse in the second half of 2013/14 which earned him a move to Standard Liege. The fee was £1.2m which is not bad for a young player who cost Celtic less than £0.1m. I’d say there was some benefit to playing outside Scotland in that example. Henderson seems to have played well whilst on loan at both Rosenberg and Hibs.

Most Scottish players in the SPFL who want to play in a better league move abroad and more often than not move to England. I don’t necessarily agree with MW on this but I can see where he is coming from. Again, I can’t see what the big deal is in his comments. 

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:04 pm - Jul 19, 2016


I’ve just read this amazing story of a humble man who stood up, unnoticed, in front of the world for what is right. If anyone ever questions or mocks ‘sporting integrity’, just mention the name Peter Norman. I can almost guarantee, unless you’ve already read this article, you will never have heard his name, but his story is one we should all be aware of. It’s a fairly long read but I recommend reading it to the end, where there is an insight into how good men think and see the bigger picture in an update that reveals why there is an empty space in San Jose.

Sadly, it is not by accident that his name is not on the lips of all who support civil and human rights.

For those of a bigotted or racists nature, please avoid this story, you may find it upsetting.

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-white-man-in-that-photo/

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:16 pm - Jul 19, 2016


CELTIC FC INCORPORATED 1897JULY 19, 2016 at 11:29 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9418724/Rangers-in-crisis-Sevco-have-until-Friday-to-gain-SFA-membership-and-play-football-next-season.html came across this article and it really is straight to the point no nonsense facts … 
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That must be the last totally lamb-free and honest article, written by a member of the SMSM, on the ‘Rangers’ Scandal! Or were there others at the time that have been buried under the deluge of PR spin?

I woner if Ewing Grahame, the writer, would be prepared to stand by his words today – or be able to explain any change of heart?

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Bawsman

BawsmanPosted on12:19 pm - Jul 19, 2016


MOTOR REDJULY 18, 2016 at 13:47
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I don’t do religion, interesting though how you instantly pigeon holed me as someone who did/does.

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Corrupt official

Corrupt officialPosted on12:21 pm - Jul 19, 2016


    “Most Scottish players in the SPFL who want to play in a better league move abroad and more often than not move to England. I don’t necessarily agree with MW on this but I can see where he is coming from. Again, I can’t see what the big deal is in his comments. ”
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   Apart from the fact he is wrong Adam?…
I don’t think Scottish clubs are as insular as is suggested, or that if an overseas loan situation was available, it would be rejected in favour of a local move. They are simply not readily available.
   As Jingo James points out, it is a saturated market place. Couple in the fact that overseas clubs will have greater knowledge of local facilities, set-ups, and the coaches involved in hopefully improving their player, and it is a no-brainer. Costs and funding are another consideration.
   Remember the club accepting the loanee is not doing favours. They are hoping to improve their own team by accepting the player. Ergo they are below, but near to, the level of the lending club first team, but above what the loan player, is currently experiencing (or not getting the opportunity to). The move needs to be beneficial to both clubs, and to suit the players needs.
   A quick glance of Scottish fitba’s standing in the global game will show that to be a very limited market place. 
   I agree it is not a big deal, but why is it in the paper when so much of more importance is not?  P*ish should be called out as p*sh until such time as the SMSM stop printing it. 

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Allyjambo

AllyjamboPosted on12:54 pm - Jul 19, 2016


I think it’s time Mark Warburton realised that there’s a reason why his players aren’t being loaned out to foreign, or English, clubs, and that is – they aren’t any better than the players potential borrowers already have! It really is that simple. And if they were good enough to enhance these clubs, TRFC wouldn’t be interested in farming them out, they’d be getting first team games at Ibrox.

Still, I do wonder why no newspaper has sought Warburton’s thoughts on Trident or any of the other more important issues affecting Scotland! He is, after all, a former City trader, and if that fact enhances his ability to comment of Scottish football, imagine how it might enhance his knowledge of far weightier matters!

There is one point Warburton forgot to mention as to why it would be beneficial to his club if his young players could be loaned out to England or overseas – they’d be in a shop window where clubs with money ply their trade! I’m sure, though, that fact hadn’t escaped his, or his masters’, thoughts, though maybe they would prefer those thoughts kept out of the public domain!

http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/rangers/14626869.Mark_Warburton__Scottish_kids_aren__39_t_challenged_enough_by_loan_moves_to_our_lower_leagues/

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incredibleadamspark

incredibleadamsparkPosted on1:31 pm - Jul 19, 2016


CORRUPT OFFICIAL, a manager would prefer his young players to move on loan to England rather than the lower leagues in Scotland because he thinks that would be more beneficial for their development. 

Doesn’t sound too bad an idea to me even if I don’t particularly agree with it. Take MW and Rangers out of the equation and I have my doubts if we would be discussing this. Maybe we would be, who knows? 

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Reiver

ReiverPosted on1:48 pm - Jul 19, 2016


I find it disappointing the way that this site has changed of late. I know it has been the close season and things have been quiet in the action towards the games administrators but we really have moved close to being just another football site. A football site with a strong Celtic flavour. Obviously, with the proportion of the fans in Scotland that they have, there is always going to be more of them but we are now seeing an intolerance of those who have views that dare to question anything that involves Celtic. When, on other sites, we say anything criticising TRFC we are labelled “Rangers haters” on here people are are being called “anti-Irish”. We even see claims that the critics are part of the problem and, worse still, that Scotland as a whole racist towards the Irish. 
We are now trying to conduct our stated aims in an atmosphere that is not conducive to unity and I believe we need to step back and hit the reset button. We have a lot to do if we have any hope of achieving the outcome that we wish so come on guys, take your football discussions and point scoring elsewhere. Let’s get back on track.

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TrisidiumPosted on3:33 pm - Jul 19, 2016


Reiver,

With all due respect, I haven’t seen anyone either imply or explicitly claim anything as anti-Irish. I also don’t see any evidence of a strong Celtic flavour either.

There certainly has been a discussion about Celtic and the strength of their attachment to the ‘Old Firm’ brand, but that was started by an Aberdeen fan, and Celtic fans naturally weighed in with their take.

I suppose it’s all in the eye of the beholder, but I think – apart from the fact that we are in the middle of the holidays and consequently quiet – that we are being pretty true to our mission.

As I said though, it is all in the eye of the beholder, and your views are important to the rest of us. Can you point me in the direction of the problem – or even which posts are causing you concern? Particularly those which display intolerance

I apologise if I appear to be sensitive about this. That’s because I am sensitive to claims of Celtic-ness on this site. We are determined that this will not become a Celtic forum. It would be the easiest thing in the world to turn it into one – and if we did so, I imagine we would have page numbers commensurate with a Celtic site 🙁

However the main reason for our existence is not to build on our internet stats, but to build a community of football fans.

48% of our members and about 40% of our regular posters are Celtic fans. Despite that, we keep club specific stuff (where it is not relevant to the rest of us) off the pages.

I am worried that you appear to think we have failed.

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TrisidiumPosted on3:42 pm - Jul 19, 2016


Adam

I think the backlash against Warburton has less to do with any antipathy towards the man himself and more directly concerned with the seer-like status which the MSM have afforded him.

Of course that has nothing to do with Warburton himself. I think he sees the game – as any manager would – through a prism in the shape of his own club. From that point of view he would I imagine seek a better outcome for Rangers.

The trouble is that the MSM tend to present his utterances as the words of the prophet – which as we all know are in truth written on the subway wall 🙂

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