Good Evening,
Whilst it is understandable that the continuing events at Ibrox remain a hot topic among all Scottish Football Fans — especially given the views of some sections of the press on such events– the never ending rush down the marble staircase is certainly not the only show in town.
The other morning we were treated to the “scoop” that Alistair Johnstone is afraid that Craig Whyte– the once proclaimed Multi Billionaire from Motherwell- may well still be pulling all the strings at Ibrox! This is a fear which is shared by those who walk the corridors of Hampden Park as they, too, are terrified of the prospect of Whyte returning in some shape or form and coming back to haunt them, especially as he has been deemed unfit and proper, banned sine die, and generally ridiculed for his past actions.
However, the Hampden jackets know fine well that their realm only stretches so far and that if by means of the proper application of company law, contract or some other piece of paper Whyte controls the shareholding of the self proclaimed “parent company” to the football club then they are in a fix. In fact, I will wager that they just would not know how to deal with such a situation as after all RIFC PLC neither holds a licence to play football nor is a member of the SFA and so, on the face of it, who owns it has nothing to do with them.
At this juncture, no one in authority knows who Blue Pitch Holdings are and, strangely, no one in authority knows who Margarita Holdings are either! Yet these two “holdings” whoever they may be, may well hold all the power down Govan way…… with the SFA completely powerless to find out who they are let alone get into any dialogue with them. All the SFA can do is talk to the appointed Directors and officers of The Rangers Football Club Ltd.
This, is a most unsatisfactory state of affairs.
Meanwhile, they will have no difficulty in finding out who the new shareholders of Dunfermline Athletic are. Those shareholders will come from the fanbase and will be clearly registered at Companies House, with the result that ultimately those fans/shareholders will appoint Directors who will then attend meetings and speak and opine on their behalf and in essence be the ” Voice of Dunfermline” at Hampden.
Perhaps, similar will follow from Heart of Midlothian?
However, those at Hampden — if they have any sense at all– will be most wary of events happening in the east end of Glasgow come November.
In the middle of the month, Celtic PLC will hold its AGM and amidst the items on the agenda is the fan driven notion that the Club— through its Directors—- should go further in holding the SFA to account and enquire into the granting of club licences, and in particular how it granted Rangers a club licence that allowed entry to the Champions League in 2011 when the small tax case was outstanding.
The Celtic board have deemed this motion as “Unnecessary” and in support of that contention have released documentation showing that they raised this very issue with the SFA on behalf of the shareholders and fans. Further– and here is the rub— The Directors reveal that they were not satisfied with the SFA response and have disclosed that they took the matter further and wrote to UEFA.
Ultimately, UEFA also provided a reply, which backed the SFA approach and which Celtic had little option but to accept in the absence of admissible contradicting evidence..
It is on this basis, that Peter Lawell and Co say the AGM motion is not necessary. Note that saying that the motion is not necessary, is not at all the same thing as saying that what the motion seeks to achieve is not necessary or does not have the support of the board!
There will be those at Hampden who severely hope that the Celtic Board are successful in voting this measure down as obviously they deem their original reply sufficient and would like to end the discussion there.
However, my own view, is that whether the motion is successful or not, there are those within the SFA who will recognise there is trouble staring them in the face here. Real Trouble!
Let’s recap for a moment and draw some threads together.
Celtic’s past Chairman, Dr John Reid, said only a couple of years ago that the SFA was clearly not fit for purpose. He did so in the context of events surrounding Neil Lennon and other matters, but was unshakably robust in his condemnation of an institutionalised uselessness which he saw pervaded the Hampden ranks.
Prior to that, Henry McLeish produced a report which stated that he too had concerns about the Governance of Scottish Football and called for openness and transparency.
In the intervening period, we have seen Mr David Longmuir, former Chief Executive of the Scottish Football League, find himelf without a position following reconstruction– and this partly as a result of club chairmen being apparently kept in the dark about his payment, bonuses and expenes. I understand that there was considerable anger from some at the way in which they had been treated by Mr Longmuir.
Then there is Mr Campbell Ogilvie, El Presidente, who himself benefited from a Rangers EBT and who held sway at Ibrox during a period of time when Rangers– by their own admission— made unlawful and illegal payments to three high profile players in breach of tax laws and SFA/SPL rules. It is these breaches and the consequent Wee Tax Bill which has caused all the angst among Celtic fans and has lead to the highly regulated legal step of tabling a motion at the club’s AGM.
Basically, the position seems to be, that as at the due date when the appropriate documents and declarations were made for a Euro Licence by Rangers for 2011, the wee tax bill was outstanding and due. If it was overdue, then the SFA could not and should not have granted them a licence……. and potentially Celtic should then have been put forward as Scotland’s representatives in the Champion’s League.
However, that did not happen, and Ranger’s were granted a licence– something that the Celtic Directors clearly felt was not correct.
They may have disagreed with the awarding of the licence because there were those at Rangers at the time who declared that a payment to account had been made to the tax office– allegedly £500,000– and that they had entered into an agreement to make payment of the balance by instalments. Had that been so, then all would have been hunky dory and no more would have been said.
Alas, however, no such payment appears to have been made at all, and no such agreement was entered into and so, on that basis, the tax bill was overdue and outstanding as at 30th June in terms of Article 66 and as such no Euro Licence should have been granted.
However, the argument does not end there.
Auldheid, has posted frequently on these pages about the ins and outs of the licensing provisions and the mechanism and so I will leave that detail to him as he is far more expert in these areas than me.
Now, one of the SFA functions is to have an auditor– someone who can check books, contracts, paper work and so on, and it is part of the SFA licensing function to be satisfied that all the paperwork is of course correct and in proper fashion before they issue any licence.
In this case, it is alleged that the SFA did not perform their function properly.
In relation to the wee tax case, it is said that either they did not make sufficient enquiry of Rangers re the payment to account or the agreement which they were told was in place. At the time it was mooted in the press that no such agreement was in place as at the relevant date ( June 30th ) and a simple check with the revenue would have shown the truth of the matter.
Yet, for whatever reason, no such check appears to have been made, and if you recall a Radio Scotland interview with Alistair Johnstone, Rangers submitted the forms, the SFA replied with one or two enquiries about the BIG tax case which were answered, and thereafter the Licence appears to have simply dropped through the letter box without further ado.
You will also recall that the existence of the wee tax case became known BEFORE Craig Whyte bought David Murray’s shareholding in May 2011. In fact it was the subject of News Paper headlines weeks before the deal was completed, and so the fact that there was a wee tax bill was well and truly in the public domain.
When it came to filling in the appropriate forms,either, the SFA were mislead by those then at Rangers with regard to that tax bill, OR, they simply failed to do the requisite checks and make reasonable enquiries before they issued the licence.
However, the uncomfortable fact also remains, that one of the chaps who must have been in the know re the admittedly unlawful and offending side letters, contracts and payments to the three players concerned was Campbell Ogilivie who was on the Rangers Board at the relevant time when the contracts and irregular payments were made under the Discount Options Scheme from 1999 to 2002/3. Indeed he may even have initiated the first payment to Craig Moore in 1999. I reiterate that no one has ever contested that this was an unlawful scheme, and the irregular payments and paperwork are not denied in relation to that scheme.
There are Celtic shareholders who believe, rightly or wrongly, that when it came to the granting of the Euro Licence, the SFA did not play them fair on this occasion and that the wheels within Hampden were oiled in such a way that Rangers were favoured and Celtic were disadvantaged. It is a point that looks to have already been considered by the Celtic Directors in 2011, with the result that they concluded that they should formally write to the SFA and seek clarification.
However, we now have the prospect of those same directors having to go back to Hampden and say ” Sorry, but I am forced to bring this up by my shareholders. I have a legal duty to them to enquire further”. Even if the motion is refused, the point has been made– there are shareholders who are demanding answers– just as shareholders of other clubs demand answers about the ever so secret 5 way agreement and other matters which have hitherto been not for public consumption.
The SFA have nothing to fear of course as they can simply repeat their previous answers,demonstrate that all was above board, and rest easy in their beds.
Except that answer did not satisfy the Celtic Directors on a previous occasion as they decided to take the matter to UEFA, and it would appear that some Celtic shareholders remain dissatisfied with the known stance of the SFA and so they want the Directors of the club to delve further. Without wishing to point out the obvious, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted rigorously or that those at Hampden were in any way economical with the truth or omitted certain details from the previous explanation, or covered up a failure in procedures—- well such omissions have a habit of becoming public these days whether that be through the internet or otherwise.
The point here is that the actions of Hampden officials are coming under organised, legal and planned corporate scrutiny over which they have no control. The Blazer and club mentality that was once so widespread within the governing bodies is under increasing attack and is being rendered a thing of the past.
In short, the move by Celtic shareholders, is making it plain that they will demand proper corporate governance from their club in ensuring that any alleged failure in corporate governance by the SFA or SPFL is properly investigated and reported on.
Of course, if it turns out that the 2011 Licensing process was somehow fudged and not conducted properly for whatever reason, then it could be argued that Celtic were disadvantaged in monetary terms along with other clubs who may have been awarded Europa League licences, then the consequences could be cataclysmic. Hence a tendency to circle the wagons rather than admit to failures in the process that need addressing.
It is this reluctance to come out and accept that the licensing process appears to have failed, say at what point the process failed and what needs to be done to address those failures that in many ways has driven the resolution. It is clear to all that something is amiss but the SFA will not admit it, probably from fear of the consequences of doing so? Perhaps some form of indemnity, a lessons learned enquiry with no prejudice might help?
It would come as no surprise to me at all if there were those at Hampden who live in dreaded fear of admitting that their processes were flawed and that a grave mistake was made. Under these circumstances, there may well be those at Hampden who simply wish that Celtic and their fans would just go away!
bad capt madman says: (294)
November 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm
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buddy holly says
” all the right words but not necessarily in the right order”
The sevco saga is almost as funny as Eric Morcombe, but not quite.
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For me personally the sevco saga has now surpassed the Morecombe and Wise Christmas show as funnier, longer running with better special guests.
The ” all the right words but not necessarily in the right order” clip is an absolute cracker.
Does help also I have a relative who is the spitting image of Eric Morecombe!
Further Off Topic I await the SEVCO saga with series as “Crown Court”, “Surprise Surprise”, “Police, Camera, Action”, “Columbo”, “Bear in the Big Blue House” etc,.,.,. it is just too funny
Buddy
buddy_holly says: (49)
November 11, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Buddy, several weeks ago I made a complaint to AIM Regulation highlighting the fact that, in breach of Rule 26, ‘Rangers’ made no distinction between the various legal entities that make up the ‘Rangers Group’. As a result RIFC Plc were forced to create new pages on the web site containing the Rule 26 information. Web pages which specifically contain information relating to Rangers International Football Club Plc.
Todays announcement, appearing on The Rangers Football Club web pages is clearly a breech of the AIM Rule 26 Regulations.
I feel that it’s time to send another email to AIM Regulation.
Buddy, I invite you to also send an email to AIM. The Regulators are very nice people and if you point out a rule breech they will investigate it and, unlike the SFA, there will be no rule changes or reinterpretations of the rules, to assist the team in blue.
Bob
Not one to e mail complaints but this one will be worth it. Count me in.
No1 Bob says: (43)
November 11, 2013 at 9:08 pm
I’m in too. Just emailed AIM.
Re yet another claim tonight from Malcolm ‘No Surrender’ Murray that the club from Ibrox is a huge global brand, which is vastly underpriced. If they are such a huge global brand would they ever have needed firstly the Bank of Scotland millions, then the taxpayers millions, just to stay ahead in Scotland? Wouldn’t the money simply have rolled in from every corner of the globe like it does for Man Utd, Barcelona, and Real Madrid?
upthehoops says: (638)
November 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm
UTH in Madrid’s case, it simply rolls in courtesy of the German taxpayer
Walked past Haymarket this morning and seeing the wreaths laid at the foot of the Hearts War Memorial made me remember the young Hearts players who died at the Somme, which gave me a strong feeling of sadness first, but also a sense of pride in my club, its history, and the fact it doesn’t feel the need to declare a special relationship with the armed forces or declare that it has a special “Britishness”. Quiet dignity beats lurid jingoism any day.
And to the posters who seemed to be deliberately baiting Hearts supporters on this forum at the weekend, feel free criticise Hearts and their support as much as you like if the club are liquidated but the club itself, its supporters, the football authorities and the media claim it to be the same club, with the same honours list, and stick the proverbial finger up at the rest of Scottish football. Until then your comments, in my opinion, are unmerited and unhelpful.
ecobhoy says: November 11, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Just a thought, but if Companies House is involved/dragged into this, could we see City of London Police involved (again) 😈
As I said, just a thought
Tif Finn says: (765)
November 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Time for this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjEW9QxXwTY
GeronimosCadillac says: (57)
November 11, 2013 at 1:39 am
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I too don’t approve of the wars they fought in the places you list but the ones who died in those lands still deserve to be remembered and looked after by us.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/tributes-to-hearts-heroes-at-restored-clock-tower-1-3183163
The Scotsman reports a large gathering at the Heart of Midlothian war memorial yesterday, now restored to the Haymarket following the completion of the tram works. The Hearts team signed up en masse in 1914 and many were killed in WW1.
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It’s a very good point and thanks for making it, I hadn’t even considered that.
The way it works as far as the interweb is concerned is that if you go to
http://www.rangers.co.uk/
They have a tab for “Investors Centre”
If you click on that you are taken to
http://www.rangersinternationalfootballclub.com/
So they are effectively making it look like the two entities are the same, for obvious reasons. As you so rightly say they are not. The one (RIFC PLC) owns the other (TRFC Ltd), however they are separate legal entities.
And on that bombshell, the shareholding has changed substantially on the official site.
http://www.rangersinternationalfootballclub.com/share-information
Artemis Investment Management LLP 5,479,0000 8.42%
Hargreave Hale Limited 4,601,688 7.07%
Laxey Partners Ltd 4,250,000 6.53%
Blue Pitch Holding* 4,000,000 6.14%
Mike Ashley 3,000,000 4.61%
Alexander Easdale* 2,842,957 4.37%
Miton Capital Partners 2,662,178 4.09%
Margarita Funds Holding Trust* 2,600,000 3.99%
Richard Hughes 2,200,000 3.38%
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Charles Green has gone, Artemis are the highest individual shareholder, Richard Hughes has over 3%
theoldshed says: (47)
November 11, 2013 at 9:41 pm
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Walked past Haymarket this morning and seeing the wreaths laid at the foot of the Hearts War Memorial made me remember the young Hearts players who died at the Somme, which gave me a strong feeling of sadness first, but also a sense of pride in my club, its history, and the fact it doesn’t feel the need to declare a special relationship with the armed forces or declare that it has a special “Britishness”. Quiet dignity beats lurid jingoism any day.
And to the posters who seemed to be deliberately baiting Hearts supporters on this forum at the weekend, feel free criticise Hearts and their support as much as you like if the club are liquidated but the club itself, its supporters, the football authorities and the media claim it to be the same club, with the same honours list, and stick the proverbial finger up at the rest of Scottish football. Until then your comments, in my opinion, are unmerited and unhelpful.
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oldshed, I triggered a large part of the discussion on the HMFC CVA.
I stress not to bait HMFC supporters and not to be nasty.
I wished some views on the HMFC CVA and a reasonable and appropriate debate was shared from all sides as far as I remember. One I gained a lot of knowledge from. I thank those who took part and added.
I also respect your position if through your emotional ttachment to your club HMFC you will deal with events when they occur. That is your prerogative.
I genuinely wish HMFC well, though I have no emotional involvement.
You pick your own pathway…
Buddy
Malcolm Murray & Dignity
1. The quality or state of being worthy of esteem or respect.
2. Inherent nobility and worth: the dignity of honest labor.
3.
a. Poise and self-respect.
b. Stateliness and formality in manner and appearance.
4. The respect and honor associated with an important position.
Maybe not .
I’m sure they are, but 4/5 minutes of highlights, and the majority of that made up of replays of the goals?
It shouldn’t be that way as the football we’re seeing in the SPFL at the moment is the best it’s been for years. I can’t claim there’s any connection with the demise of Rangers, as I think it’s more to do with football clubs finally realising that they have to offer more to their fans than simply existence if those fans are going to continue to turn up, or even increase in numbers.
Celtic, Partick, Dundee Utd, Inverness, St Mirren, St Johnstone, Killie, Aberdeen, Motherwell, in fact, all the teams in the SPFL, are trying to play good, passing football, and it’s a shame that instead of concentrating on this, we instead get air time filled by Steve Thompson and Stuart Lovell telling us what we already know. (To be fair, they seem a bit more lucid than most football analysers in Scottish football)
It seems very much at odds with the ‘nadir of Scottish football’ tone that seems prevalent through the press…
Tif Finn says: (767)
November 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
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And on that bombshell, the shareholding has changed substantially on the official site.
http://www.rangersinternationalfootballclub.com/share-information
Artemis Investment Management LLP 5,479,0000 8.42%
Hargreave Hale Limited 4,601,688 7.07%
Laxey Partners Ltd 4,250,000 6.53%
Blue Pitch Holding* 4,000,000 6.14%
Mike Ashley 3,000,000 4.61%
Alexander Easdale* 2,842,957 4.37%
Miton Capital Partners 2,662,178 4.09%
Margarita Funds Holding Trust* 2,600,000 3.99%
Richard Hughes 2,200,000 3.38%
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Charles Green has gone, Artemis are the highest individual shareholder, Richard Hughes has over 3%
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Firstly, Laxey seem to have built up their holding…
Second, find this intriguing….
Currently, 16.4% of the Company’s Ordinary Shares are not in public hands. The Ordinary Shares are freely transferable and no Ordinary Shares are held in treasury.
The 16.4% has a caveat as follows: Does not include the 12,641,338 Ordinary Share (representing 19.42% of the issued share capital of the Company) which Alexander Easdale has voting rights over pursuant to the terms of proxy agreements entered into with other shareholders and as announced on 20 September 2013.
What/ Where is this 16.4 per cent not in public hands ??
Is it unissued?
It is not in RIFCs own treasury, i.e. bought back.
Learing More every day
Buddy
Shooperb says: (324)
November 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm
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buddy_holly says: (51)
November 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I think contractually the highlights length is limited.
Buddy
I’m sure they are, but 4/5 minutes of highlights, and the majority of that made up of replays of the goals?
It shouldn’t be that way as the football we’re seeing in the SPFL at the moment is the best it’s been for years. I can’t claim there’s any connection with the demise of Rangers, as I think it’s more to do with football clubs finally realising that they have to offer more to their fans than simply existence if those fans are going to continue to turn up, or even increase in numbers.
Cektic, Partick, Dundee Utd, Inverness, St Mirren, St Johnstone, Killie, Aberdeen, Motherwell, in fact, all the teams in the SPFL, are trying to play good, passing football, and it’s a shame that instead of concentrating on this, we instead get air time filled by Steve Thompson and Stuart Lovell telling us what we already know. (To be fair, they seem a bit more lucid than most football analysers in Scottish football)
It seems very much at odds with the ‘nadir of Scottish football’ tone that seems prevalent through the press…
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I entirely agree.
Soon STV will have more local content to fill (no CL/EL). Wonder if they will bid and then show long extended football highlights.
Or will BBC realise the same, longer highlights due to the quality of the product.
On the panellist this is just filler. I personally do not like current players/coaches/managers on the panel as they cannot give a full and frank and controversial opinion, otherwise they will be “bringing the game into disrepute”.
Although going by what Ally McCoist, Charles Green et al have now said for no charge, you should be able to say nearly anything. Even complete untruths and question the integrity of the referees and the SFA.
Buddy
Good point about the current players/managers. I’d love to see Cosgrove on Sportscene. He doesn’t seem to shy away from calling it as he sees it, but without the tubthumping that we tend to get from certain other journalists.
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ecobhoy says: November 11, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Just a thought, but if Companies House is involved/dragged into this, could we see City of London Police involved (again) 😈
As I said, just a thought
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Perhaps if the City of London Police had stuck with it a bit longer and if HMRC could have avoided the Scottish judiciary, then this whole charade could have come to it’s inevitable conclusion 2-3 years ago.
But think of the fun we would have missed
Tif Finn says: (767)
November 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
I pointed out to AIM a couple of weeks ago that Green’s shareholding was still listed despite the notice to the stock exchange at the beginning of October announcing that Green had sold his shares. Good to see that it has been corrected.
However questions remain.
There has been no other changes to the shareholdings of anyone else on the 3% and over list on the RIFC Plc website. Had any of these shareholders bought Green’s shares then there would have to have been a notice issued to the stock exchange.
So, who bought Green’s shares? 50,000 bears each buying 100 shares so that they can turn up at the AGM? I don’t think so.
The name of the new owner of Green’s shares is being deliberately hidden. Perhaps it’s Craig Whyte, he’s collected the money that he owed, the cops have found out and that’s why the police investigation has resurfaced. If that’s the case I will die laughing!
No 1 Bob.
The name of the new owner of Green’s shares is being deliberately hidden. Perhaps it’s Craig Whyte, he’s collected the money that he owed, the cops have found out and that’s why the police investigation has resurfaced. If that’s the case I will die laughing!
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If that’s the case they can bury you and me side by side.
theoldshedsays:
“feel free criticise Hearts and their support as much as you like if the club are liquidated ”
I doubt there is anyone on this site that would be other than regretful if liquidation happened to HMFC.
But it hasn’t come to that, and let’s hope it won’t.
Your point about jingoism is well taken. But many of us have had relatives who died in the 2 world wars, that doesn’t mean one doesn’t regard the slaughter as a complete waste.
On this day of all days, Lest We Forget:
http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2012/11/on-this-weekend-in-football-history-hearts-players-sign-up-for-wwi/
HMFC can hold their heads up high, and if ever a team deserves to keep their history?
Nuff Said!
No1 Bob says: (44)
November 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm
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Tif Finn says: (767)
November 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
I pointed out to AIM a couple of weeks ago that Green’s shareholding was still listed despite the notice to the stock exchange at the beginning of October announcing that Green had sold his shares. Good to see that it has been corrected.
However questions remain.
There has been no other changes to the shareholdings of anyone else on the 3% and over list on the RIFC Plc website. Had any of these shareholders bought Green’s shares then there would have to have been a notice issued to the stock exchange.
So, who bought Green’s shares? 50,000 bears each buying 100 shares so that they can turn up at the AGM? I don’t think so.
The name of the new owner of Green’s shares is being deliberately hidden. Perhaps it’s Craig Whyte, he’s collected the money that he owed, the cops have found out and that’s why the police investigation has resurfaced. If that’s the case I will die laughing!
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Firstly, not only is the information of the investors in RIFC who own more than 3% missing from the AM announcements.
Secondly, the flow of shares from whom to whom is also obscured. Especially Director trades.
Thirdly, TRFC making comments n behalf of RIFC is not allowed by the AIM rules.
All will be revealed in the next series of SEVCO!!
Buddy
MM’s comments tonight?
Sounded like desperation to me. I don’t think he really has a grasp on the situation.
He was asked if the date of the EGM, the day after the “Lock-In” period expired, would have an effect, he couldn’t answer properly. He kind of blustered that it might do, but didn’t think so! FFS!
It was hinted that the main protaganists may have already bolted for their French Chateux’s by then. Luckily, MM was then diverted to the “No Surrender” comment. He couldn’t even address that properly!
As for Pinsent & Mason’s report, “Ah well, that was after I left, therefore not privvy to it’s contents. No comment!”
As for the Police investigation, “I can’t comment on an ongoing Police Investigation, no comment!”
As for his defence over the “No Surrender” comment, well you just have to listen to it for yourself. Priceless!
I’m not sure what’s going on down Govan way, as I can’t really make any sense of it. All I know is that MM sounded like one of the guys at the Alamo, poised with his Bowie knife in his hand!
Listening to the Sportsound pod cast.
Was better than i expected, some reasonable pursuit of the correct questions by the panel. Mainly tom english.
Will download and keep for reference when the next chapter unfolds.
Malcolm Murray explanation of “no surrender” is poor, very poor. Then his unbelievable defiance that any problem with “no surrender” is because other people are narrow minded!!
Buddy
There are two main points about Malcolm Murray’s defence of “No Surrender”
Firstly he lied about the context, his explanation of what he was answering simply isn’t true.
Secondly, his defence of what it meant was so pathetic as to be laughable. To suggest that for anyone taking offence from it proved they were narrow minded rather than him. That there were no connotations unless the listener (Tom English) decided to put them there themselves … seriously.
This is his equivalent of McCoist’s “We Are The People” moment.
However we are supposed to take this man as a serious player, a mover and shaker in the city, a person who will bring credibility to the PLC.
Aye R …ight.
I think the bears imagine the AGM like some UCS meeting at a cinema with some Jimmy Aird (you know the picture sorry Jim )type haranguing the board and winning the vote!
Except there wont be one. It will be all motion dismissed etc etc.
Why they cry?
Well your blue knightly people were full of it as usual.
End of
Club carries on into blu oblivion.
Spivs exit stage right at appropriate speed.
Latest heroes turn up and find they’ve blundered.
Dundee CEO Gardiner given permission to speak to Sevco
DR back page, http://t.co/wmVYbmqEG0
DR front page, http://t.co/TJ6uUs6Sxq
An opinion
The AGM will be cancelled if there is the remotest chance the Spivs could lose any crucial votes
Why?
Because the alternative (breaking a court order) is cheaper and dead easy to fudge
If the AGM does go ahead the Consortium need a follow up plan to cope with defeat by the Spivs
Which brings us to MM
MM is no Bigot
He will have seen the questions in advance and discussed his response with others,
His No Surrender comment is a cynical ploy dreamt up by someone else. Someone prepared to threaten physical imtimidation to influence floating voters
Its a tactic used by people who expect to lose
I spent a very pleasant hour or two this afternoon reading the webpages of all the clubs in the East of Scotland league and the South of Scotland league.
Reading the histories of most of them transported me back nostalgically not only to my childhood and youth, but to the childhood and youth of my dad’s generation, when football was king.
I am no Bob Crampsie ( that sainted man) so it was news to me that Burntisland Shipyard had held Celtic to 0-0 until after half-time, in a competitive match in 1939!
” Undoubtedly the biggest match the Shipyard has ever played in took place on Saturday 21st January 1939 when the club hosted Celtic in the 1st round of the Scottish Cup. An estimated crowd of 3000 attended the match with adults paying 1s (the stand was extra) and boys 6d. The stand was a temporary construction built by the men in the yard. The papers on the Monday after the match were full of praise for the Shipyard, who put up a gallant effort and matched Celtic for an hour before finally losing by 8 goals to 3.
It was reported that Celtic stripped in the George Hotel rather than use the club’s facilities and arrived at the ground a minute before the start. …..”
The fathers of those of us of a certain age would then have been men in their early/middle twenties, enjoying the last peacetime football season of their lives before they died in war or returned as badly wounded, suffering shadows of their former selves.
It’s extremely unlikely that my old man was at that particular game, him having a leaning towards his home town team, Motherwell.
But I can see in my mind’s’ eye the men standing at the bar of every spit-and-sawdust howff in the land having precisely the same kinds of football conversation as we have today, when ‘big’ team is drawn against ‘ minnow’ in the Scottish cup.
Nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgia.
Especially if pushes us ever more strongly to end the corruption of our sport and restore some at least of the sportsmanship and honest competition of days gone by.
ianagain says: (27)
November 12, 2013 at 12:06 am
You think there will actually be an AGM, some T’IBs (t’internet bampots) on twitter suggesting this
fergussingstheblues says: (89)
November 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm
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On this day of all days, Lest We Forget:
http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2012/11/on-this-weekend-in-football-history-hearts-players-sign-up-for-wwi/
HMFC can hold their heads up high, and if ever a team deserves to keep their history?
Nuff Said!
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This is in so way an excuse for non payment of taxes and the stiffing of creditors, you understand.
But it is possibly a mitigation…
I think the FOH and Hearts fans generally are showing a dignity that was not observed with the Ibrox outfit.
They have a history to be proud of. And they value it – and not out of some inflated sense of entitlement.
I sincerely hope they get to keep it.
paulsatim says: (607)
November 12, 2013 at 12:24 am
‘…Dundee CEO Gardiner given permission to speak to Sevco..’
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No. My money’s on Leeann Dempster.
Here is Mr Gardiner talking a lot but saying little, will fit in well!! http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/dundee/110846-scot-gardiner-hopes-for-swift-resolution-as-dundee-await-news-on-spl-place/
Resin_lab_dog says: (229)
November 12, 2013 at 12:44 am
This is in so way an excuse for non payment of taxes and the stiffing of creditors, you understand.
But it is possibly a mitigation…
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Seriously!
They stole £1.8m in social taxes, made a deal to pay it then reneged on that deal.
They overspent to artificially raise their status in Scottish football,
They failed to pay the Police and Ambulance service, along with a myriad of small creditors but
“They have a history to be proud of. And they value it – and not out of some inflated sense of entitlement.”
You have to be joking. Not being as bad as Rangers must be one of the worst tu quoque arguments ever.
MM and “No Surrender” I tell you what when it comes tae The Rangers I “give up” 🙂
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November 12, 2013 at 12:37 am
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DR front page, http://t.co/TJ6uUs6Sxq
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DR bringing up loss of licence if Craig Whyte is involved.
That is interesting, who is giving this briefing and pushing this agenda?
Would not really suit the SPIVS or the REBELS.
Must be Craig Whyte who is attempting to extract cash/favours/shares from the SEVCO/TRFC/RIFC carcass.
Or is it more smoke and mirrors to draw the attention away from the AGM, or the postponement of the AGM? or who can vote at the AGM?
Tune in tomorrow for the next enthralling episode of THE SEVCO SAGA.
Buddy
GoosyGoosy says: (467)
November 12, 2013 at 12:42 am
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An opinion
The AGM will be cancelled if there is the remotest chance the Spivs could lose any crucial votes
Why?
Because the alternative (breaking a court order) is cheaper and dead easy to fudge
If the AGM does go ahead the Consortium need a follow up plan to cope with defeat by the Spivs
Which brings us to MM
MM is no Bigot
He will have seen the questions in advance and discussed his response with others,
His No Surrender comment is a cynical ploy dreamt up by someone else. Someone prepared to threaten physical imtimidation to influence floating voters
Its a tactic used by people who expect to lose
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What is the penalty for not holding an AGM?
Doubt the SPIVS can lose a meaningful vote (based on %) at the AGM, they are the only ones who know who all the voters are.
Still cannot understand the way the easdales are playing this, cannot see what they are gaining by being in with the SPIVS, apart from large wads of SWAG!
Buddy
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He will have seen the questions in advance and discussed his response with others,
His No Surrender comment is a cynical ploy dreamt up by someone else.
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An attempt by MM to beat Charles at his own game by courting the knuckle draggers, for the sake of the club he loves?
Oh puleeeezzz!
Lotta time for you GG. Your posts have been top draw. I was a wholehearted supporter of MMs actions during the CG shenanigans. The man was mercilessly smeared and did not play the victim card. That I respect.
But Sorry… if the man had any decency or dignity left, he’d leave those knuckle draggers to their fate rather than appealing to – let alone inciting – those animals!
Sometimes walking away is the only dignified option.
Malcom Murray I put it to you that you are a disingenuous liar…..
http://youtu.be/aLHL7YuJ03Y
…and then he has the absolute lack of self-awareness to quote his interview with Alan Brazil…..
The rest of the interview was rambling, stuttering nonsense peppered with the usual guff and trigger phrases repeated throughout for the hard of thinking…..”trousering cash”…”rangers men” etc.
This man is an absolute arrogant, self-aggrandized idiot…..
I have a question, I thought administration was used when you have debts you can’t pay but have a viable business if run properly. Surely if Rangers have no debts and were to run out of money it would just be a case of lock the gates and turn the lights off? Who would the creditors be?
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November 11, 2013 at 11:23 pm
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Aye, quite an interview, well done Tom English too. Some tough questions. And Kenny McIntyre let some decent tweets and emails through.
By the end, MM was digging an even deeper hole for himself regarding his Alistair Johnstonesque quote. And as mentioned above, the referencing of his Alan Brazil interview in his defence was bordering on farce.
Still, there was a lot revealed between the lines. Among other things, ‘narrowing of the PM report’ and he had no real comeback on the accusation that he was part of the con to bring in the ST cash. But most of his optimism sounded like meat-filled pastries at high altitude.
On the podcast the TRFC section runs from about the 6 minute 15 second mark in until the about the 33-minute mark.
Re MM
funny how he seems to grudgingly admit that not insisting on an immediate call for an AGM was a mistake .
No s**t Sherlock ,he really does take the hordes for complete and utter mugs .
What if it was their intention all along to let the spivs get to their escape date ,and as for the mock battle between the rhebels and the spivs .
DO ME A FAVOUR .
I have only heard snippets of MM bo***cks but from the little I have heard ,all I can say is the bigots in the Sevco support really do deserve this clown and if he is the best man to front the I Mcoll group then they really are f***ed
Re the Malcolm Murray interview on Radio Scotland last night. I see some so called ‘intelligent’ Rangers people on Twitter are stating that Murray somehow ‘owned’ Tom English. Anyone with half a brain who listened to it would hear English calling out Murray big style on his no surrender comment and Murray grasping at any excuse from thin air. One wonders if Murray was foolish enough to believe the interview he took part in with a fans pressure group would somehow not hit the general public domain. Furthermore, I think it is obvious from the Radio Scotland interview that Tom English would have loved to say more about Murray’s performance on Talksport, and why not, as Murray was demeaning towards Irish people which Tom English is.
Malcolm Murray would have been perfect for Rangers in the 1970’s. He appears educated, successful, and speaks well. He does however appear to hold an unfounded sense of supremacy over others which served Rangers so well for years, aided by so many in the media who held the same views. There has been so much said in this saga which, if it involved anything other than the club from Ibrox, would have saw the media hound the protagonists out of town in shame. Instead some appear to lay out the welcome mat for them. God help us all.
GoosyGoosy says: (467)
November 12, 2013 at 12:42 am “MM is no Bigot”
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Goosy, sorry to pick out one line from your post, but if that statement is true, how can you explain his retort to Alan Brazil last week?
Rick Parry & Gary Cook. Ex Ceo’s of Liverpool and Man City. Both paid £1.5 million a year in those roles, and now being fed into the media as possible CEO’s by Jack Irvine
Interesting cost cutting measure that. Increase the cost of executive pay by 500%.
Or
Get the guy in from Dundee and pay him £200 k and reduce cost by 50% .
Hmmm,
Btw, Mr Keevins on SSB last night referred to an email he received from Jack Irvine about Somers. Jack, on Somers behalf, ‘flatly denied any suggestion of business connections’ with Whyte or Green.
* So JI has an open line to Keevins. Nothing wrong with that, maybe, except that Irvine’s tactics are now well known. Big Pink indicated the other day that Keevins had perhaps been fed a line by the same individual recently.
* Why would Somers not speak for himself to either Sportsound or SSB?
* Good call from a Gregor at about 41min 45sec in. A TRFC supporter questioning McCoist’s million cheap shares and his backing of Whyte, Green, Mather, and Somers … he didn’t actually use the phrase conflict of interest but …
Al Lamont’ was speaking about the SFA’s “transfer of membership from the old company to the new company, it was on the basis that there was absolutely no involvement of Craig Whyte.”
No mention of the word “club” at all.
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I think someone needs to the point the BBC to the SFA rules on membership/licencing.
“The Club Licensing system encompasses a National and European regulatory system. Licensing sets out standards and procedures by which clubs will be assessed as a basis for continuous improvement of many aspects of football. It is a modern form of regulation.
National Club Licensing applies to Scottish FA member clubs and UEFA Club Licensing applies to Scottish Premier League clubs. There is also an extraordinary procedure that applies to any member club outside the SPL where that club has sportingly qualified for a UEFA club competition and makes an application to participate in that competition.
National Club Licensing operates a Gold, Silver, Bronze and Entry level system. Clubs are granted an overall award reflecting the lowest level that the club achieves in the four sections of criteria (Ground, First Team Football, Youth Team Football and Legal, Admin, Finance and Codes of Practice).
An exceptional award will also be granted to a small number of clubs at a Platinum level. A club would therefore be eligible to apply for an award at any level. Clubs in lower leagues may therefore be eligible for higher awards and conversely some clubs in the top leagues might only attain lower level awards.
Licence awards were granted using the new graded system for the first time in 2012.”
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Numerous mentions of the word “CLUB” but not so much “COMPANY”
Pay attention Mr Lamont!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Malcolm Murray commenting on fans/customers only ever protesting against managers rather than the board. What rubbish.
Interesting to hear Malcolm Murray on Sportsound questioning who David Somers was.
Frankly the man on the street had never heard of Malcolm Murray either before he was named chairman.
Somers seem to have held a range of posts including Clerical Medical that is a name some people will know from TV adverts etc.
I’d really be surprised as both claim to have 30 plus years in Pension Fund Management and the like Murray hadn’t come across or at the very least heard of Somers.
hi everyone..regular visitor to this forum and always enjoy reading the comments and getting some good info . i am a celtic supporter and the recent events in amsterdam has got me thinking about the reputation of celtic supporters when they go to away games . i have always thought that celtic supporters..in general..had a good reputation whereever they go..unlike sevco supporters . but have i been judging this through green tinted specs ?…i try and look at things and judge them fairly but could i be wrong in judging the rangers/sevco fans as being fair worse than celtic fans with their general behavior ?..
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i was talking about the reputation of celtic fans on facebook after the ajax game and a sevco supporting friend of mine sent me this list .
http://oi41.tinypic.com/33dulht.jpg
detailing over 20 times celtic fans have been in trouble over the last ten years . this has got me thinking about this and has made me wonder if i have been judging this fairly and are both sets of supporters as bad as each other ?…i cant find any similar lists to judge rangers/sevco supporters over the same period of time but i was wondering if anyone here has any views on this ?…thanks.
I saw this re-tweeted by @ETimsNet
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“@RetroScot: Malcolm Murray: “Board is now effectively one man and his dog” – WOOF.”
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So, which one is the dog?
Why is it every time I take 36 hours off this board something else explodes and it takes me half the morning to catch up!
On the Hearts thing firstly. Someone mentioned mitigating circumstances or some such. If you take the emotional aspect out of both the history (the WW1 stuff) and similarly the sporting bit (Vlad’s millions meant your team humped my team etc etc) there is a very important hidden point therein given the last 36 months in Scottish fitba. The point needs re-emphasising I feel.
If self imposed debt in some shape or form overcomes your club then there are three main options. Trade out (or get wealthy backers to fling in some cash). A CVA agreed – almost like a financial slap on the wrists (no disrespect to any creditors who have been on the wrong end of one of these). Liquidation – the end! To quoote slim amongst others it really is that simple.
That is the responsibility each and every club’s directors hold. Go in too deep and all the good bits – the family club, the sporting tradition, the ‘history’ – are at risk. If you keep the emotion out of it (or at least the collective emotion which leads to the big club small club, society fabric argument then it really is simple. RFC danced with the devil and got permanently burned. At the moment Hearts are singed at the edges, but are still considered saveable I gather.
And finally on Malcolm Murray. I haven’t listened to any of the key podcasts etc so not fair that I comment on him directly. Only that, he strikes me now that he has realised that the sound of the blue knights chargers coming over the hill to the rescue is actually the sound of them running in the opposite direction, despite what may have been promised previously.
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Since I’m only an occasional poster on here and have little reputation to protect…..
I’m going to call this and say that there is so much utter cr*p on that list that either you are not what you say you are, or are easily fooled and definitely don’t know your history! ❓
‘Charlotte’ appears to be back on Twitter
@MalkieMouth
Tweeting some emails allegedly between MM and various people. Suggesting Pinsent Mason report was damning and ‘serious financial wrongdoing’ is a phrase used…
GoosyGoosy says: (467)
November 12, 2013 at 12:42 am
MM is no Bigot
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I don’t know if he is or not as I don’t know the man, however based on the evidence I have seen and heard he seems to be.
The alternative is that he isn’t but is prepared to use bigotry to gain his business ends.
He is also prepared to defend bigotry, and lie to do so.
That doesn’t make him much better in my opinion.
Either way he is a poor excuse for a human being.
Smugas says: (499)
November 12, 2013 at 10:11 am
If self imposed debt in some shape or form overcomes your club then there are three main options. Trade out (or get wealthy backers to fling in some cash). A CVA agreed – almost like a financial slap on the wrists (no disrespect to any creditors who have been on the wrong end of one of these). Liquidation – the end! To quoote slim amongst others it really is that simple.
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You missed the most obvious one, do not run up a unsustainable debt on the first place, live within your means.
Back in 2002 , geoff brown saint johnstone chairman was very critical of the way clubs were being run as saint johnstone were relegated, it being 6 seasons before saint johnstone returned to the top tier.
I am not a Saint Johnstone Fan, but can observe that this club has remained ran on a sustainable basis even if that means being relegated, dealing with relegation and then rebuilding..
Now in 2012/2013, Saint Johnstone were reasonably competitive in the SPL from their long period of reasonably good governance. They have made losses the last few years, but before that had built up a reasonable cash pile. I.e. at one point ST Johnstone had no debt and approx. £1.4 million GBP in the bank. Therefor a yearly loss of £200 thousand is not good, but gives time to adjust the costs within the business.
A far better and fuller explanation here, by TSFM esteemed poster STEVENSANPH
Buddy
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/st-johnstone-fc-annual-accounts-2013-analysis/
Interesting to note that Malcolm Murray appeared to give a clear indication that T’Rangers needed a full compliment of season tickets to keep the show on the road and that he participated in the whole process. Presumably he realised that Sir Cardy was also required to keep up the show for this season or it was curtains. The talk also turned to refinancing being required ASAP.
Now every club needs its fans to turn up in numbers but one has to wonder how many non renewals or no shows as ‘pay as you go’ would tip the balance?
The no surrender comment is to ensure ‘every little helps’
i can assure you i am a celtic supporter . no group of supporters are perfect as i am sure you would agree..i want to look at this without green tinted specs and find out if celtic supporters do have a better reputation away from home or is it just because i am a celtic supporter that i think this way ?…that list has some questionable entries like brentford and others but i would like to see other non supporters of celtic or rangers/sevco give their views or experiences on visiting supporters from these clubs in the past.
Araminta Moonbeam QC says: (10)
November 12, 2013 at 10:46 am
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Here you are:
1. http://i.imgur.com/9kLIL4M.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/4irlRkI.jpg
3. http://i.imgur.com/rVKI08I.jpg
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Ask your “friend” to watch the footage from Manchester, thousands rioting in the streets. The hundreds of riot Police. Being attacked by rampaging thugs. The video is all there because Greater Manchester Police released.
Then ask him to watch the unprecedented Crime Watch special dedicated to it. Then read about the joint operations between Greater Manchester Police and Strathclyde Police to arrest the worst of the culprits.
Ask him to consider how many friendly matches he has seen Rangers play in England and over the last few years, and compare that to the number Celtic have been involved in. Ask him about the pre-season tours / tournaments the clubs have been invited to.
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Malcolm Murray is looking more of an unsavoury character by the day.
Clearly willing to cover up serious financial irregularities, and defend bigotry if it suits his purposes.
Why did he ever get thrown off that board.
blackboab says: (14)
November 12, 2013 at 10:01 am
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Blimey, that’s desperation. And believe me, I’n no Celtic fan!
“Uncovering hairy stuff inside Ibrox”
Aw, no thay asbestos again
torrejohnbhoy(@johnbhoy1958) says: (1114)
November 12, 2013 at 10:50 am
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Thanks for the links.
This seems to tie in with what Malcolm Murray was implying last night.
Both he and Walter were effectively blackmailed into helping the SPIVS sell a lie to the fans because they have got Rangers Men by the short and curlies.
The Spivs are bascially saying if don’t play ball and we will pull the plug.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that is still the case and that the Spivs plans A, B and C will be set to pull the plug at a time of their choosing, if required.
Either way it is going to end up with a sh** load of mess in relation to whatever is left at the end of it and anyone picking it up is not going to have an easy time of it.
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i can assure you i am a celtic supporter . no group of supporters are perfect as i am sure you would agree..i want to look at this without green tinted specs and find out if celtic supporters do have a better reputation away from home or is it just because i am a celtic supporter that i think this way ?…that list has some questionable entries like brentford and others but i would like to see other non supporters of celtic or rangers/sevco give their views or experiences on visiting supporters from these clubs in the past.
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Could I respectfully suggest you spend your time worrying about whether CFC have a good/bad/indifferent/hellish/fantastic/lousy/god like (insert as you feel applicable) reputation, and worry less about whether they have a “better” reputation than anyone else. You’ll spend less time whatabouting as a result, and attract less reply-to posts, or friend’s facebook tittle tattle of a similar nature.
Araminta Moonbeam QC says: (10)
November 12, 2013 at 10:46 am
Charlotte’ appears to be back on Twitter
@MalkieMouth
Tweeting some emails allegedly between MM and various people. Suggesting Pinsent Mason report was damning and ‘serious financial wrongdoing’ is a phrase used…
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And is then suspended again.
Obviously, this stuff is not released in a “watergate” type way for the pursuit of justice. It is a tease and distraction. However it is a sign of how bad the in fighting is. (Or is it like wrestling is it a carefully orchestrated show of infighting to which is really smoke and mirrors!)
Gist of the pics was email snippets hinting that:
5 may.. .
MM to phil cartnell (who is on holiday) .. investigation has some hairy stuff , i am going to get kicked out, call on a land line… obviously worried about mobile phone hacking then!!
7 may
2am (timezone due to holidays?) Phil cartnell to MM I am talking to Cenkos, keep your head down., do not do anything silly.
7.30am MM to Phil Cartnell .. if cg attended a meeting, walter was walking away. MM has evidence of serious financial irregularity.
27 May
MM had not seen the PM report, while james traynor was preceding the investigation with a club statement as if James traynor had seen the report (or James Traynor was told the report would never see the light of day so just print this statement said his boss, which would be.. Charles Green at this point or Craig Mather)
Tom English, could have asked MM what were those serious financial irregularities ??
The SEVCO SAGA continues….
Buddy
Tif Finn says: (772)
November 12, 2013 at 11:00 am
Malcolm Murray is looking more of an unsavoury character by the day.
Clearly willing to cover up serious financial irregularities,
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Similar to Dave King who got a whiff of Craig Whytes guff but said nothing and did nothing.
Presumably Sir Cardy soon became aware of the ‘issues’ but again said nothing and did nothing.
Are any of these guys Fit and Proper?
Each passing day Bomber Brown is slowly being shown to be the Rangers man with the most dignity.
Unsubtle may be but he told it how it was and would probably rather have seen the club die and be reborn as opposed to get into the hands of the Spivs.
I listened to part of the Radio Clyde podcast today. I usually don’t if Hugh Keevins is on. However on this occasion he has my sympathies. The quality of calls was desperate. Not only were the points made ludicrous, they were made by rude individuals who were in love with the sound of their own voice. The only reasonable call i heard in 50 minutes was from a Rangers fan called Gregor.
I don’t know what aspirations Clyde has for this show, but in its current format it is desperately bad. There is a 2 hour window to discuss Scottish Football, and what seems to happen is a continuous barrage of irrelevant and immature nonsense from callers.
Surely it is not beyond the producers of & presenters of this programme to have a prepared list of relevant topics, and cover the issues without the listeners being subjected to childish drivel from a majority of callers .
wottpi says: (1268)
November 12, 2013 at 11:07 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if that is still the case and that the Spivs plans A, B and C will be set to pull the plug at a time of their choosing, if required
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Brings me back to a core theme of mine a couple of weeks ago. Spivs plan was obvious all along. My view as I recall simply differed to others in so far as estimating how far the spivs would be willing to go (I said they’d take every penny but leave Ibrox in return for the easy life, some said no, Ibrox was for the chop as well and hang the consequences) 😯 . What hasn’t been clear to me is the brogue’s plan in the background.
The spivs got the toy (RFC) to play with but would eventually become bored, sated and slightly concerned about the ‘the toys’ ability to gobble cash, not to mention the expectation of the other kids in the nursery that the aging toy would somehow miraculously become the latest all singing all dancing toy that the kids in the other nursery had got. At this point they would hand it back to the brogues who I assume (perhaps wrongly) are basically fronted (but certainly not backed!!) by Paul Murray. One can only assume that a combination of King and McColl were then just supposed to pony up, and continue to pony up again and again and the good times would roll once more.
I think the desperation in Malcolm Murray’s voice is the realisation that that aint going to happen unless, at the very least, the spivs give up full control. The key point being he’s overlooked what happens to ‘the club’ in a mexican stand off situation which we basically have now.
Cash behind the scenes or Cash very publically paid. Its their choice. It would appear to be their only choice.
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Paul Murray and Dave King sat on the board at Rangers under David Murray. They were an integral part of the lying stealing and cheating that went on, so no surprise from them.
It seems Malcolm Murray, the voice of corporate governance, is cut from the same cloth. Aware of serious financial irregularities but does nothing about it.
blackboab says: (15)
November 12, 2013 at 11:16 am
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Your question is, are Celtic fans thought of better than old Sevco/Rangers fans our is it just our perception.
a) Amsterdam and it’s events were discussed to death last week, on here and various other social media websites, there’s no point bringing it back up.
b) Go and research yourself about what peoples thoughts are. I as a Celtic fan can give a neutral point of view without ” Green Tinted Specs ” .
c) Go and ask your friend to give you more facts, backed up with evidence regarding this list they sent you.
d) The morning that it becomes public that Craig Whyte and his connection with Green is under police investigation and the licence for Sevco/TRFC to play football in Scotland could be revoked, you trot out a stupid list, that is factually not true…… spells only one thing to me……..troll.
OT. I was watching some footage from the Philippines this morning and it struck me that we have a semi-regular poster based there – Stephensanph. My thoughts are with him and his friends & colleagues
https://twitter.com/stevensanph