Make our Mind Up Time

ByTrisidium

Make our Mind Up Time

I have been receiving quite a bit of  unflattering mail about the “agenda” being pursued on this blog. Depending on the correspondent, that is defined as  either denying people their civil right to gloat, hiding the “truth” that people of the RC faith are welcomed and encouraged to come to Ibrox, or indulging in Chamberlain-style appeasement with the banning of the “H” word and other incontrovertible rights-to-insult.

The objection to moderation of any sort appears to be at the root of these diatribes. Our position here in terms of moderation is clear. There is no “agenda” other than a desire not to be chasing up posts containing the rantings and ravings of partisan types who “demand” their right to be heard no matter how objectionable it might be to those hear it. We are not here to service a conduit for conspiracy theories based in Masonic Lodges or the Vatican. There are plenty of places where people can indulge in that kind of stuff, but the moderators here are just not interested. The administration of the site takes around four hours per day. That’s a long time trawling through posts which often set out deliberately to insult, abuse or otherwise cause offence – mildly or otherwise.

Our view is that the blog will only have cross-club support if we stick to what we can substantiate by fact or reasonably infer from the way things proceed. Further, we feel that if we are to gain credibility as an alternative source of news and comment to the MSM, that we need to cut down on the fansite type comments. There is no dignity (a word often used here) in calling the Rangers manager or their fans names. We need to maintain higher standards of impartiality than football fansites, because we know that a united fan base can actually make a difference as RTC did when the SPL chairmen were gearing up for a parachute for the new Rangers. OT discussions are fine, and often amusing, but they shouldn’t become the main reason to come here.

The requirement to have a WordPress account before posting here is not in any way draconian. It is designed to make people accountable for what they post whilst still maintaining anonymity, and therefore being exempt from moderation. Those who don’t like it are not being compelled to carry out any instruction – they only need go to a place where they don’t feel so constrained.

If the main issue of this blog becomes how the blog is being administered – or how the moderation policy is affecting the human rights of posters, we may as well just pack up now.

There have never been any objections to the suggested posting rules on here. We assume that people who post are reasonably intelligent. Therefore it seems fair to assume that those who have ignored the suggested posting rules did so deliberately. If that doesn’t happen, moderation is just not required.

If what we are trying to do fails because of our posting framework, then we will be blamed. We are certain though, that we can have no credibility if we indulge ourselves in conspiracy theories and constant references to anachronistic organisations, the Scottish school system, and the leanings of referees.

There is real corruption in Scottish football. It is based not on religious rivalries but on greed and acquisitiveness. The only thing that matters is that we identify that corruption and help put an end to it.

Our job is to ask questions and not jump to our own conclusions about the answers. That will divide us as surely as the realisation of the depth of the corruption united us. To be totally united as fans, we need to have more Rangers fans on here. Therefore we need to create an atmosphere that they can be comfortable with. Is that the case right now? The anger for RFC’s mismanagement and abuse of the game in Scotland is real, but we need to look forward if we are truly committed to ensuring that what happened to Rangers can’t happen again.

We’re not gonna throw the toys out of the pram here. If anyone else would like to run the blog under those circumstances of zero moderation, we will be happy to hand over the domain. There is no “agenda” – we will be happy to hand the work over to others.

The initial posting which proposed the change to WordPress logins received over 130 TUs and only three TDs. Subsequently the post advising of the changes got around 100 TUs and 100 TDs. It seems that minds are not entirely made up.

To get some closure on this once and for all, we have added a poll below to end on Saturday at 1700 where you can decide whether you want to go along with our original plan in terms of login and moderation. We obviously recommend that you vote “Yes”

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Trisidium is a Dunblane businessman with a keen interest in Scottish Football. He is a Celtic fan, although the demands of modern-day parenting have seen him less at games and more as a taxi service for his kids.

2,133 Comments so far

whispererPosted on4:59 pm - Sep 28, 2012


We could BILL it as “The Great Sporting Swindle” … MSM Bears V THE TRUTH

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Long Time LurkerPosted on5:01 pm - Sep 28, 2012


whisperer18 says:

September 28, 2012 at 16:56

Did RTC not say once (in a tweet) that their voice is recognisible – hence they would not participate in a phone-in?

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smartie1947Posted on5:03 pm - Sep 28, 2012


I see my 16.59 Friday in the statement sweep seems to be a loser.

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StevieBCPosted on5:03 pm - Sep 28, 2012


whisperer18 says:
September 28, 2012 at 16:56
should RTC take up the offer/challenge (face to face – bad idea methinks) … why not voice to voice on the phone-in(s) …. ??? …. ayes/naws
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Naws.

Personal security threat aside – why should RTC give the DR the time of day ? By engaging with the DR in an article, the DR would gain some much needed credibility.

If/when RTC decides to engage the MSM, he/she might prefer to talk with those who have at least made some effort to tell the truth. I am thinking about e.g. Glen Gibbons/Scotsman, or Alex Thomson ?

Either way, RTC has to have his/her book published first !

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StevieBCPosted on5:04 pm - Sep 28, 2012


whisperer18 says:
September 28, 2012 at 16:56
should RTC take up the offer/challenge (face to face – bad idea methinks) … why not voice to voice on the phone-in(s) …. ??? …. ayes/naws
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Naws.

Personal security threat aside – why should RTC give the DR the time of day ? By engaging with the DR in an article, the DR would gain some much needed credibility.

If/when RTC decides to engage the MSM, he/she might prefer to talk with those who have at least made some effort to tell the truth. I am thinking about e.g. Glenn Gibbons/Scotsman, or Alex Thomson ?

Either way, RTC has to have his/her book published first !

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ObserverPosted on5:14 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Could Rennie be half-sincere here and wanting RTC on board?

After all, the DR must be looking ahead to the FTTT and Nimmo Smith exploding and wondering “what the heck do we do then??”

That paper will need to have very good reason for appearing to have a sudden change of heart and a big hitter like RTC ‘suddenly’ giving them the shocking true story might sound like their best course of action…

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steveplustaxPosted on5:19 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Allan Rennie ‏@AllanRennie1
@rangerstaxcase Anonimity guaranteed. Face to face discussion on media, blogging and football. Think about it.
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“Anonymity guaranteed”?? The only anonymity the Daily Record can guarantee is the anonymity of those involved in Scambrox 2012. Given that RTC must have gone to great lengths to preserve his/her anonymity, why on earth would he/she agree to meet with someone who stands accused of being in on the Scam?!

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broadswordcallingdannybhoyPosted on5:19 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Never wrestle with a chimney sweep

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chris shields (@chrisshields10)Posted on5:22 pm - Sep 28, 2012


whisperer18 says:

September 28, 2012 at 16:56

should RTC take up the offer/challenge (face to face – bad idea methinks) … why not voice to voice on the phone-in(s) …. ??? …. ayes/naws
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Ach! They would just cut RTC off as soon as a crunch topic was raised. Like journalistic integrity for instance

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taxman comethPosted on5:24 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Holy fook

The vangaurd zombies are hook line and sinker

“As you may be aware R.T.I.D.N.I invited Rangers F.C C.E.O Charles Green over to Northern Ireland for a meeting with ourselves and Supporters Clubs to meet with the support.

First thing on the agenda was a short meeting with ourselves as a group which included myself, Gary Lenaghan, Jim Wilson and Trevor Maxwell.

Charles thanked us for the outstanding work that we had undertaken in helping to raise funds for the fighting fund.

We then moved Charles and guests to lunch with Senior representatives of Linfield F.C, which included discussions for a return match between Rangers and Linfield at Ibrox.

In attendance were Rangers Reps, Linfield Reps, and R.T.I.D.N.I Reps, Myself, Gary Lenagahan, Jim Wilson, Graeme Barr, Mark Rice and Trevor Maxwell.

A number of dates have been mooted and will be given out after further discussions.

A meeting was then planned in Castle Buildings with First Minister Of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson.

In attendance at an introductory meeting with The First Minister were Charles Green and guests, R.T.I.D.N.I Committee members, Myself, Gary Lenaghan, Jim Wilson and Sammy Douglas.

The purpose of this meeting was to explain to The First Minister, the disgraceful way that Politicians in Scotland have shown absolutely NO support for Rangers Football Club.

The words that Mr Green used were “If it was a Pie company going bust with the loss of Revenue to the local Economy and Job losses, Scottish M.Ps and Government Ministers would be bending over backwards to help”

Political backing for investment i.e Shops in Northern Ireland was also brought to the table and discussed,and after a lengthy discussion programme Mr Green informed us that he was extremely happy with the meeting and had found it very productive.

Mr Green and Peter Robinson then gave interviews to U.T.V Live.

Next stop was to to Stormont buildings where Mr Green and ourselves had a meeting with Ulster Unionist Party Leader Mike Nesbitt and M.L.A Danny Kennedy.

This was also a very Productive meeting.

R.T.I.D.N.I and guests then headed to The Hilton, Templepatrick to meet other Reps from Rangers Clubs throughout Northern Ireland.

After thanking everyone for attending, I explained our future plans for R.T.I.D.N.I.

This included getting ALL Clubs, Fan Groups and Fans in Northern Ireland to work together for a N.A.R.S.A type Convention in Northern Ireland.

First thing on the Agenda after introductions and thanks for Support etc, was for Mr Green and Imran to give a Presentation on current affairs at the Club and their outlook for the future.

Everyone was in agreement that our Clubs future was looking extremely good with plans of Hotels, Cancer Centre, New Shop, New Ticket office and renovations to Edmiston Club along with Football Academies in America, Asia and widespread Global Marketing.

Key Points

1: Charles Green stated quite categorically that although it was not ALL Clubs in the S.P.L that he had a problem with, his main problem was with The Leadership and running of the S.P.L.

He said the Agenda from the S.P.L against Rangers F.C and their fans and their constant attacks upon our Club will not be forgotten.

He then stated that whilst things are the way they are, the onslaught continues AND as long as he is C.E.O of Rangers F.C, Rangers will NEVER play in the S.P.L again.

This was met with a round of applause from the Audience.

2: Charles then brought up the question of Rangers Shares.

He explained that Rangers Shares will ONLY be available direct from Rangers F.C.

They will be sold at first to Rangers Fans and Rangers Fans only, as in Season Ticket Holders registered Supporters Clubs and Members of the Rangers Family.

No other option for buying shares will be available.

A shortened Q&A then took place and was as follows.

Q1: What is happening about the money that is owed to Rangers by the S.P.L etc ?

C.G: “The S.P.L are refusing to hand what is due to Rangers and the fight against these disgraceful decisions was still ongoing”

Q2: Would Rangers Consider putting a Team back into the N.I Milk Cup ?

C.G: “This had already been raised by the Youth Team Coach and would definitely be looked at in the future”

Q3: Would Rangers consider bringing out an Orange Top?

C.G: “Yes, they have a number of designs and are coming near agreement with Adidas”

Q4: Will you continue with the fight against all Rangers enemies out there as you have been doing ?

C.G: “Absolutely and with everything in my body, I wasn’t a Rangers Supporter when I came here but I am now”

Q5: Would Rangers Consider flying the 4 Home Nations Flags alongside the flags already above Ibrox ?

C.G “I dont see why Not as the contribution and dedication of Rangers Fans throughout the U.K and the world is second to none and should be recognised”

After a massive thanks to Mr Green from myself on behalf of the Committee, 6-year-old Rangers Season Ticket Holder Joshua Wilson, made a Presentation of a Crystal Clock with the words, ”To Charles Green, from R.T.I.D.N.I.”

Mr Green then stayed behind to sign Autographs and pose for photos before retiring to bed.

We met up with Charles Green today, Fri 28th and took him into Belfast City Centre to look at a proposed building to open a New Rangers Store.

Greg Mcafee had arranged a number of premises for Mr Green to look at and hopefully this will be concluded soon.

We then run Mr Green and guests to the Airport and thanked them for visiting Northern Ireland.

All in all we found Mr Green to be very honest and upfront and along with all the other Supporters thought his plans were excellent.

Therefore on behalf of Myself and R.T.I.D.N.I We would like to give our FULL backing to Mr Green and his plans for Rangers F.C.

WE Support fully, his stance with regards to the hatred towards our club and the Agenda by The S.P.L/S.F.A and fully back him every step of the way in his fight against the haters of Rangers F.C and their Fans.

We also Support fully the plans on the way forward for Rangers F.C and we would urge ALL Fans, Fan Groups Clubs etc etc to Support The Share Scheme (I.P.O) which will be put forward by Rangers F.C. and to buy Shares when available.

R.T.I.D.N.I has taken great steps and have worked tirelessly to get the Opportunity of actually getting a Rangers C.E.O to come to Northern Ireland, something that has never been done before by ANYBODY.

Mr Green was so impressed that he has promised to visit us again, such is the connections that are there.

I would like to thank everyone involved, from Ourselves, Friends in Scotland, The Leaders of both Unionist Parties and eveyone who helped make this happen.

We believe that Mr Green is the real deal and has the Full Backing of R.T.I.D.N.I and we would urge ALL fans to do the same.

We would also urge ALL Northern Ireland Fans, Groups and Clubs to join with us to form a new gouping more representative of N.I. Rangers Fans to not only have a big say at Rangers, but to organise a good convention every year.

Together We Are Better!

Thomas Mathers.

Chairman

R.T.I.D.N.I”

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BrendaPosted on5:28 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Maybe it was 48 DAYS ?? That would take us to 11 November 🙂 sorry but I hate golf!!!

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tic6709Posted on5:28 pm - Sep 28, 2012


broadswordcallingdannybhoy
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The guns of navarone ?
Where Eagles dare ?

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scapaflow14Posted on5:29 pm - Sep 28, 2012


We have a statement, from C green


CHARLES GREEN is asking for a “clear and unambiguous” apology from the BBC after it screened a tasteless opening title sequence for Wednesday’s live coverage of the League Cup tie with Motherwell.

It started with an animated montage which depicted a Rangers official, clearly manager Ally McCoist, falling from an office window at Ibrox and smashing a club crest.

So far the BBC has not yet satisfied Rangers with their response to an official Club complaint and a deluge of protest from supporters.

Chief Executive Charles Green said: “It is deeply regrettable that the BBC has failed to understand the strength of feeling within the Club, and indeed among our supporters, on the Mad Men/Ally McCoist issue that has dominated the front pages of today’s newspapers.

“The public response issued to the media from the BBC yesterday was clearly inadequate in attempting to resolve the issue and the response today from BBC Scotland failed to address appropriately the grave offence that has been taken over the sequence.

“The Club requests a clear and unambiguous public apology be issued as a matter of urgency to the Manager and the Club in order that a line can be drawn and we can all move on and concentrate on football.”

Hopefully, the BBC will ask for a clear and ambigious apology for the yobbos who protested and demanded boycots after the BCC aired the truth about Whyte.

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scapaflow14Posted on5:31 pm - Sep 28, 2012


oh dear, should have read

Hopefully, the BBC will ask for a clear and unambigious apology for the yobbos who protested and demanded boycots after the BCC aired the truth about Whyte

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Blindsummit63Posted on5:31 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Tic 6709 says:

broadswordcallingdannybhoy
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The guns of navarone ?
Where Eagles dare ?
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Where Eagles Dare.

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broadswordcallingdannybhoyPosted on5:36 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Tic 6709 says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:28
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Where EBTs Dare!

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StevieBCPosted on5:39 pm - Sep 28, 2012


scapaflow14 says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:29
We have a statement, from the UK taxpayers


THE UK TAXPAYERS are asking for a “clear and unambiguous” apology from Charles Green and the The Rangers Club, after walking away from GBP100M+ debts owed to HMRC and various trade creditors – and then shamelessly continuing their ‘Club’ as though nothing had in fact happened.”

I am offended that Charlie is offended !

[OK he’s not really, but some more ammo for him to play the ‘hero’ to the Sevco fans and to pick their pockets !]

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briggsbhoyPosted on5:41 pm - Sep 28, 2012


the taxman cometh says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:24

It was a Zoombie Jamboree!!

The purpose of this meeting was to explain to The First Minister, the disgraceful way that Politicians in Scotland have shown absolutely NO support for Rangers Football Club.
The words that Mr Green used were “If it was a Pie company going bust with the loss of Revenue to the local Economy and Job losses, Scottish M.Ps and Government Ministers would be bending over backwards to help.

Mr Green the action of Rangers football club likely had a few of your creditors going to the wall including your pie man. How much money did they deprive the treasury of? You want comments from Politicains… geez a break ya bunch a zoombies

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steveplustaxPosted on5:42 pm - Sep 28, 2012


“He said the Agenda from the S.P.L against Rangers F.C and their fans and their constant attacks upon our Club will not be forgotten.”

Simply superb, Mr. Charles. In a way the single-suited Yorkshire pudding is right, however: thanks to “Downfall” and the (imminent?) RTC book, this whole tawdry episode will long remain in the collective memory.

As for all this Northern Ireland stuff–it’s “Twilight Zone” material, it really is. I’m sure there is a section of the region’s population that won’t mind Peter Robinson giving Mr. Charles a shoulder to cry on. But has Robinson completely lost sight of the bigger picture here? This is a regional government minister using his pulpit to plead for mercy on behalf of a _Glasgow-based_ private company that is currently under investigation by HMRC for defrauding Brenda out of many millions of pounds.

Vanguard Bears, not since the heyday of Ali G have we seen such pranks. VG+. Top entertainment!

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tic6709Posted on5:45 pm - Sep 28, 2012


broadswordcallingdannybhoy.
blindsummit63.
Thanks lads.

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wottpiPosted on5:45 pm - Sep 28, 2012


If RTC does meet with the DR can I suggest he maybe borrows a mask from this guy 😉

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Billy BoycePosted on5:45 pm - Sep 28, 2012


the taxman cometh says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:24
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The burning issue is not the possible demise of the famous Glasgow Rangers but the urgent desire to launch an orange shirt. Why was it only listed as the third question to Sir Charles? Can’t they get their priorities right?

(quote) “Everyone was in agreement that our Clubs future was looking extremely good with plans of Hotels, Cancer Centre, New Shop, New Ticket office and renovations to Edmiston Club along with Football Academies in America, Asia and widespread Global Marketing.”

I am relieved to see that moonbeams are still shining down on Edminston Drive – even more brightly than the Murray era.

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Charlie BrownPosted on5:52 pm - Sep 28, 2012


So what is going to happen to future visits SPL teams they don’t like anymore/ever and whom they will remember? What will be their remedy?

Water-boarding? for the visiting players/directors/fans etc ?

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verselijkfcPosted on5:56 pm - Sep 28, 2012


the taxman cometh says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:24

that surely has to be a wind-up? the trademark militaristic, armageddon-type language is all there and flowing beautifully but it is, in the main, rhetoric from a parallel-universe. They could at least have provided a glossary of terms so that us mere mortals could understand the acronyms.

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tomtomPosted on5:58 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Is Ernie Wise still alive and writing comedy scripts for the VB. Their club will shortly be liquidated and all they care about is whether they can get a new orange strip?

Chuck must have burst into fits of laughter as soon as his plane took off.

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campsiejoePosted on6:00 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Green is a menace, and a dangerous menace at that
He is whipping up the basest elements of the Sevco support, and eventually they will reach tipping point
Yet the authorities and the Sevcopahantic media say and do nothing

As for his pathetic analogy to the pie factory, could I just point out to Charlie, that on the same day as RFC were placed in administration, a company not far from Ibrox, closed its doors with the loss of 140 jobs, not many fewer than RFC employed

There was no hue and cry, no politicians intervening, no government help
So Charlie, as far as I am concerned, you, your horde, and all of your would be allies, can ram it

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verselijkfcPosted on6:01 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Tommy says:
September 28, 2012 at 17:45

Indeed – all that’s missing from that lengthy tract is installation of the mythical “hover pitch”

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ranchofrancoPosted on6:06 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Taxman Cometh

Nothing, absolutely nothing in this world wide confederacy of dunces compares to the depth in wealth of abject stupidity that Charles Green esq. has at his pecuniary well manicured fingertips.
It defies belief that forelock tugging of such extremism is permitted in this age of the Internet Bampot.

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rabPosted on6:10 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Does anyone else see the rtidni meeting with CG as the episode of Family Guy when Lois runs for office and in order to win votes, resorts to mindlessly repeating “9/11” to any questions, and is cheered to the rafters.

The redevelpoment plans sound brilliant, but why no hover pitch. Sevco fans, don’t settle for second best, ask for a hover pitch and ye shall reap.

Cheeky chick has got all the answers.

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angus1983Posted on6:23 pm - Sep 28, 2012


“He then stated that … as long as he is C.E.O of Rangers F.C, Rangers will NEVER play in the S.P.L again.”

I like that quote, on several levels. 🙂

These bears are fantastically, irredeemably, unbelievably stupid. I’m sorry – I don’t normally like to call anyone stupid, but these Peepil really are sponge-brained clods of the highest order.

Mr Charles should be made to release a statement every day. Solid gold nonsense every time. Makes up for the lack of an SFA one easily.

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TDFBPosted on6:36 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Rangers Tax-Case ‏@rangerstaxcase
For the avoidance of doubt, I have no plans to meet the Daily Record. Though the concern of so many is touching. 🙂

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BrendaPosted on6:36 pm - Sep 28, 2012


One Hundred 😉 I give up …… They must have shredded the statement 😉

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john clarkePosted on6:37 pm - Sep 28, 2012


…’They will be sold at first to Rangers Fans and Rangers Fans only, as in Season Ticket Holders registered Supporters Clubs and Members of the Rangers Family…’
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I’m not at all knowledgeable about these finance matters, but could this be an attempt to raise capital as a private limited company from ‘friends’ without going fully public through an IPO?

CG knows that only supporters, and only those with no brains, would invest in his decidely dodgy business.

He could take their money, while retaining absolute control of the new club, and without having to publish all the information that an IPO would require?

And I wholly agree with the observation that CG is a dangerous whipper-upper of mobs, who, like the worst of demagogues, cynically -and without genuine sympathy for or empathy with the feelings, hopes, and fears of the mob- plays upon those hopes and fears like some orange-suited Pied Piper for his own base ends.

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campsiejoePosted on6:39 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Brenda @ 18:36

Brenda, 48hrs in their space time continuum is entirely different to 48 of our earth hours

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Long Time LurkerPosted on6:40 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Where will Mr Green run to when it all goes horribly wrong? Sounds as if he is playing with fire.

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iamacantPosted on6:42 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Brenda says:
September 28, 2012 at 18:36

One Hundred I give up …… They must have shredded the statement
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For sale this Sunday at the Barras – 3000 piece jig saw depicting CO making a cuppa with the Daily Ranger spread out on the boardroom table 😉

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BrendaPosted on6:46 pm - Sep 28, 2012


campsiejoe 🙂

Thanks for clearing that up for me lol I promise I’ll stop counting now!!! Having a wee sherry or 2 later so I hope when I come on tomorrow there’ll be some juicy gossip 🙂 please

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on6:47 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Rangers Tax-Case ‏@rangerstaxcase
For the avoidance of doubt, I have no plans to meet the Daily Record. Though the concern of so many is touching. 🙂

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illinoisPosted on6:48 pm - Sep 28, 2012


I think the BBC probably will issue a second, more gushing apology over the Mad Men parody.
Going by previous BBC form, that is.

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chris shields (@chrisshields10)Posted on6:52 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Is Green getting hijacked by another agenda?
http://oldpesky.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-hijacking-of-rangers-football-club.html

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thomthethimPosted on6:57 pm - Sep 28, 2012


There is a Hollywood blockbuster movie in all this.

I am reminded of the old Kirk Douglas film, Ace in the Hole, where a cynical newsman stage manages what should be a simple rescue operation.

He prolongs the drama, for maximum publicity, until eventually, tragedy strikes and the unfortunate victim perishes.

Green is whipping up a frenzy, with complete collaboration of the nation’s media and it will end in people being hurt.

That surreal report of his State visit to NI should provide an insight to those unfamiliar with that part of the world, what the mindset is amongst that section of the community.

They possess the righteous indignation of the KKK, whom they spawned.

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nowoldandgrumpyPosted on6:57 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Is it a possibility that there is a legal threat in place that has stopped the SFA announcement?

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smartie1947Posted on7:03 pm - Sep 28, 2012


john clarke says:

September 28, 2012 at 18:37

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Always this mythical Rangers Family. Millions strong, throughout the world, but couldn’t raise £5 million between them to buy the Club in the summer and let it fall instead into the clutches of yet another charlatan.
As for his analogy about “the Pie Company” – absolute mince.

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neepheidPosted on7:03 pm - Sep 28, 2012


From the Monty Python script above:

“2: Charles then brought up the question of Rangers Shares.

He explained that Rangers Shares will ONLY be available direct from Rangers F.C.

They will be sold at first to Rangers Fans and Rangers Fans only, as in Season Ticket Holders registered Supporters Clubs and Members of the Rangers Family.

No other option for buying shares will be available”

So, no IPO, no PLC, no prospectus, the company stays private, creates a few million new (probably non-voting) shares, and the bears buy them direct by private treaty in £500 blocks. Perhaps someone better qualified than me in company law could comment? If I have understood this properly, it will constitute one of the biggest scams in UK corporate history. In return for £500, the bears get an untradeable piece of paper, while the Directors can do exactly as they want with the cash. I had wondered how Green was going to get round that pesky prospectus requirement. Now we know. Genius! And the funniest part is that the “Rangers Family” will be climbing over each other to give £500 away! LOL!

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nickmcguinnessPosted on7:14 pm - Sep 28, 2012


StevieBC at 16.18:
Allan Rennie ‏@AllanRennie1
@rangerstaxcase Anonimity guaranteed. Face to face discussion on media, blogging and football. Think about it.
____________________________

Must be disconcerting for Daily Record staff and readers when their Editor can’t even spell “anonymity”.
Instead of having a Twitter chat with RTC this clown should be sacking the agenda-compromised embarrassment Traynor for bringing his paper, and Scottish journalism, into even more disrepute.

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AgrajagPosted on7:17 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Something I have never understood and maybe someone can explain to me.

With regard the floating charge, of what significance is it if it is not actually securing a debt.

So, say company X holds a floating charge over the assets of company Y. But company Y does not owe company X any money. What does the floating charge matter.

For example can company X secure borrowing (say from company Z) and use the floating charge over Company Y’s assets to secure that borrowing.

Sorry if this is basic but I have never really understood the significance if there is no actual debt secured.

Thanks for any assistance.

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angus1983Posted on7:18 pm - Sep 28, 2012


On a completely off topic and unrelated note, something for the weekend that everyone should know about.

A chap in New Zealand will be flying a deHavilland Mosquito tomorrow. First time one has been in the air since the last crashed in 1996. Test flights in Auckland are on Youtube already, bringing a tear to my glass eye as I speak. 🙂

The Mosquito is the most beautiful aeroplane that ever took to the sky, and the best sounding. Two Merlins are better than one – or four, for that matter. I have been lucky enough to stand at the end of a deserted runway while a Mossie did low, full-power passes. The memory stays with me some 35 years later!

The world is a better place for finally having one back in the air.

Apologies for being the most off topic post in history but – if you know your history 😉 – the Mosquito was a very important part of it.

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ObserverPosted on7:19 pm - Sep 28, 2012


thomthethim says:
September 28, 2012 at 18:57
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There is a Hollywood blockbuster movie in all this.

I am reminded of the old Kirk Douglas film, Ace in the Hole, where a cynical newsman stage manages what should be a simple rescue operation.

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I am informed that Charles Green has already written his press release for the day after the Nimmo Smith findings are published.

He always carefully practises these media soundbites in advance and, incredibly, someone has now published CG’s rehearsal on YouTube:

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campsiejoePosted on7:22 pm - Sep 28, 2012


angus1983 @ 19:18

Love my air shows, and I would love to see one fly
Shows you what you can do with balsawood

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thomthethimPosted on7:40 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Observer says:
September 28, 2012 at 19:19

Spookily apt. Thanks for posting that clip.

Sow the wind….reap the whirlwind.

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Danish PastryPosted on7:43 pm - Sep 28, 2012


chris shields (@chrisshields10) says:
September 28, 2012 at 18:52
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Is Green getting hijacked by another agenda?
http://oldpesky.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-hijacking-of-rangers-football-club.html
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Thanks for the link. This quote jumped out:

“Alastair McKillop writes:
How many Rangers fans have stopped attending games at Ibrox for reasons entirely unconnected to football? This speaks of a monolithic culture that is exclusionary and restricts what it means to be a Rangers fan, one that is not conducive to debate and dissent. It risks creating a hierarchy of fans with only those who fully subscribe to certain political, religious and cultural associations being ‘true Rangers fans’.”

Pretty accurate description of why many are utterly disgusted by the whole non-football ethos. Rangers has probably lost these football fans for good. Green is obviously targeting the ultra-nutters as those who’ll part with their cash. But the way the spin and propaganda machine is working to crank up the engagement of the NI zealots is very disturbing.

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bogsdolloxPosted on7:53 pm - Sep 28, 2012


bl00tered says:
September 28, 2012 at 15:46
Re:

http://www.prweek.com/uk/features/1078626/Jack-Irvine—combative-crusader

There is a lesser-known side to Irvine too. Back in 1967, complete with long hair and kaftan, he resigned from the Glasgow Herald and headed to Bournemouth to take a job at the Western Gazette. But he also had an ulterior motive.

‘I was playing in a band. We’d moved down there. My partner was BA Robertson, who had a string of hits in the 60s. I did that for a year, then we had musical differences. It was hippy trippy stuff.’
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BA Robertson would have been 11 years old in 1967.
His first album was in 1973 and first “hit was in 1979.

Source:Wikipedia

Make of that what you will 🙂

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Bang, Bang – The mighty fall

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scottyjimboPosted on7:54 pm - Sep 28, 2012


neepheid says:
September 28, 2012 at 19:03

“ ….. They will be sold at first to Rangers Fans and Rangers Fans only, as in Season Ticket Holders registered Supporters Clubs and Members of the Rangers Family.
No other option for buying shares will be available” ……..”

Green admitting he’s no chance of a flotation on the market. Also suggests he’s happy draining what he can from deluded bears short term. It’s unlikely he’ll get enough for an ongoing long term rescue plan. Looks more and more as “grab what you can” and run for the border. All the recent relevant posts (Goosy, etc) suggest the property is all hocked up ready for sale. This is beginning to look really ominous for the bears. This might require serious creative administration from the SFA.

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chris shields (@chrisshields10)Posted on8:08 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Danish Pastry says:

September 28, 2012 at 19:43

By the sounds of it there is a fundamental attempt to make the club a political movement.

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neepheidPosted on8:12 pm - Sep 28, 2012


scottyjimbo says:
September 28, 2012 at 19:54

This is beginning to look really ominous for the bears. This might require serious creative administration from the SFA.
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Hey, hang on there, we’re talking about an organisation that promises a statement within 48 hours, but 4 days later, no apology, no explanation, and above all, no statement. The words serious, creative, and administration do not belong in the same sentence as SFA. How about shambolic, tragi-comedic and maladministration instead?

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campsiejoePosted on8:12 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Green, in my opinion, will be lucky to raise £5 million from the Sevco supporters, and I don’t believe that he has millionaires sitting on the shelf, ready to have their pockets picked either
As others have pointed out there will be no IPO, and instead a mail shot will be sent out to all those he thinks may be interested, and who are prepared to part with their cash to invest in Sevco, sorry, TRFC

If as I suspect this all goes wrong, and Sevco suffer an insolvency event, then Stooges Inc, of behalf of the governing bodies, will be unable to pull off the great escape for a second time
There will be no favours, and events will be allowed to take their logical and natural course

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jmaclurePosted on8:14 pm - Sep 28, 2012


ranchofranco says:
September 28, 2012 at 18:22

here’s the truth…. It’s only Sevco/RFC they lie down to.
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Posts like the above does nothing for the reputation of this site.

Complete and utter balderdash. How does this lying down work, how does MCall convey this to his players and if he did do you not think skullduggery such as suggested would be unable to kept quiet when he tells a squad of 16 or so players not to try, in the village of Scottish Football..

McCall , like any manager, would want to build their profile in football he will be and was disappointed as anyone at Fir Park.
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As for the vanguard bears they don’t represent me or I would suggest many Rangers supporters.
They have lost any credibility with their fawning over Craig Whyte.

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ikiPosted on8:16 pm - Sep 28, 2012


bogsdollox
BA Robertson would have been 11 years old in 1967.
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Gordon Ramsay was on bass, Jeffrey Archer was their roadie and Heather Mills was the groupie.

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StevieBCPosted on8:18 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Just thinking aloud.

If I have this correct: Charlie is – allegedly – attempting to deceive punters at GBP500 a pop, based on supposedly nothing more than fantastic moonbeams.

This site (?) believes that the numbers/assets/debt levels don’t stack up, and ‘investors’ could be unwittingly fleeced – allegedly.

So, rather than wait for the deed to be done, is there an option to prevent this from happening in the first place ?

Would a complaint be actioned by e.g. the FSA, the AIM itself if relevant – and the SFA [don’t laugh] ?

Assuming none of the above would take any action, [SFA won’t of course], would the very fact that e.g. registered mailed complaints had been delivered to these organisations confirm after the event that they had explicit, prior notification of something dodgy in the offing ?

With formal notification – but a lack of any timely investigation – could these organisations then be held liable for claims from disgruntled ‘investors’ who end up losing their money ?

Or would formal communication to the appropriate authorities actually prompt them to do something – if only to cover their backsides: to display good governance and/or as protection from potential, future liabilities ?

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Danish PastryPosted on8:21 pm - Sep 28, 2012


angus1983 says:
September 28, 2012 at 19:18
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On a completely off topic and unrelated note …
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That was off topic!

PS Towards the end of WWII there was a big raid carried out on Copenagen by Mosquitos. The target was the Gestapo HQ, well, the files kept there. The resistance here was in serious danger and some important people had been captured, so a raid was requested. The low-level mission (Operation Carthage) was mostly successful; but one of the planes crashed next to a French school. This caused planes in the next wave to drop bombs on the school by mistake. I knew the story because the school had been situated in a part of town I used to live in. It was an enormous tragedy. More than 100 died at the school – 86 of them children. There’s a plaque on the wall today at the spot where it happened.

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bogsdolloxPosted on8:21 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Long Time Lurker says:
September 28, 2012 at 18:40

Where will Mr Green run to when it all goes horribly wrong? Sounds as if he is playing with fire.
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I believe I read in the report from NI that Charles wasn’t a Rangers supporter before but is now. So from that I can surmise that he does not do walking away.

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chris shields (@chrisshields10)Posted on8:31 pm - Sep 28, 2012


jmaclure says:

September 28, 2012 at 20:14

If I can find the blog I will post the link. McCall’s record against Celtic and RFC/TRFC is more or less identical apart from one thing. Goals against. Let in 50% more goals vrs RFC/TRFC. Just piss poor coaching.

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campsiejoePosted on8:33 pm - Sep 28, 2012


StevieBC @ 20:18

The more knowledgeable will be able to correct me, but could it be thought of as a private sale
For example I have a new company, and I approach you and say for £500 I’ll give you 5 shares in my company
I paint a rosy picture of it, despite the fact that it’s only months old, and you like the sound of my proposal and hand over your £500, and then six months later, it goes down the tubes
Apart from taking your frustrations out on me personally, there is not a lot more you could do

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Danish PastryPosted on8:33 pm - Sep 28, 2012


chris shields (@chrisshields10) says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:08
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Danish Pastry says:

September 28, 2012 at 19:43

By the sounds of it there is a fundamental attempt to make the club a political movement.
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There’s been a non-football aspect for as long as I remember. But the current frenzy of Britishness, the singing of God Save the Queen, Rule Britannia and the union flags, plus all that orangey stuff; I mean, honestly, at a Scottish football club? Stark raving bonkers.

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Carfins Finest. (@edunne58)Posted on8:34 pm - Sep 28, 2012


So. If I have understood Mr Charles and his tactics then, say I needed a few thousand quid for a new car for the missus. The bank will not entertain my application for a loan. The finance company will not agree to 60 monthly payments as I am a extremely bad risk and I certainly do not have any spare cash lying around. I do have a little printer,some Ink cartridges and a packet of A4 paper in the back room. Is it just a case of printing up some wee ‘Share Certificates’ in Sevco/Deadco or whatever its called and flog them for £500 a belt to the great undead? Why is everyone not doing this. Seems like a wee earner. No?

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abigboydiditandranawayPosted on8:42 pm - Sep 28, 2012


It’s getting very interesting again, eh folks?

I think many a Christmas stocking will be harbouring a wee £500 share certificate this year, unfortunately for “ra peepil” the same wee share certificate will nestling in the cupboard beside the cassette player, the rubik cube and the big slipper before Easter.

Mr. Charles has got the bearz eating out of his hand right now. That stuff about “restricting” the sale of shares to the Rangers family is genius. They will love him for that without recognising the darker motives behind it…This guy truly is a piece of work.

How do these operators sleep at night?

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timtimPosted on8:42 pm - Sep 28, 2012


I am delighted to hear RTC has no intention of meeting with the DR,as a wiser man than me once said
“Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”

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goosyPosted on8:46 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Agrajag says:

September 28, 2012 at 19:17

Something I have never understood and maybe someone can explain to me.

With regard the floating charge, of what significance is it if it is not actually securing a debt. ?
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You can`t have a floating charge without having a debt
The act of creating a floating charge is instigated by a debt in the first place
Thats how the RFC FC came about back in 1999 It was set up between SDM and(almost certainly) BOS Operations Mgr Scotland, David Greir (now with D&P)
It is irrelevant where Whyte got the money to pay off LBG. He paid LBG £18m for taking over the FC a few days AFTER taking ownership. From an RFC standpoint the £18m debt was never cleared It was only transferred from LBG to Whytes RFCG
Ticketus is a different issue altogether. They bought £24.5m of STs from RFC AFTER (not before) the takeover. They paid the money to RFCG and got a contract with RFC in return which is legal since Whyte owned both cos and gave Ticketus personal gurantees that Liberty Capital would cough up if the contract failed to deliver
As we all know D&P did not issue any RFC accounts for the year ending June 2011 or indeed year ending June 2012 so nobody really knows how the RFC books would have shown these transactions
One weakness in Whytes claim of £27.5m is that he really has to prove where the extra £9.5 m comes from to make £18m into £27.5m
Fortunately he is now living in Spivland where such nicelties are an irrelevance

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neepheidPosted on8:46 pm - Sep 28, 2012


StevieBC says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:18

If I have this correct: Charlie is – allegedly – attempting to deceive punters at GBP500 a pop, based on supposedly nothing more than fantastic moonbeams.
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The only deception involved will be self-deception, at which the fans of RFC are world class. There will be no prospectus (how could there have been?), no stock market will be involved, members of the “Rangers Family” will simply get a letter inviting them to part with multiples of £500
in exchange for shares in a private company. As simple as that.

Nothing to do with the SFA, for sure. A wholly private matter. Would the FSA get involved? I very much doubt it, unless unjustifiable claims were made about investment potential. Green is just selling worthless papers to a bunch of deluded chumps. They will fall over themselves to buy. The tears will come shortly afterwards, but who can they blame? Oh, I forgot, anyone but themselves.

Green will, of course, be in Monte Carlo by then, sipping Champagne with Whyte, and discussing their next joint venture.

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bogsdolloxPosted on8:47 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Danish Pastry says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:33
chris shields (@chrisshields10) says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:08
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Danish Pastry says:

September 28, 2012 at 19:43

By the sounds of it there is a fundamental attempt to make the club a political movement.
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Fatty Dingbat is a very political animal.

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scapaflow14Posted on8:52 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Fatty Dingbat is a very inept political animal.

Fixed that for you. Dingbat is loathed by an awful lot of RFC fans, no chance of him being a unifying figure

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StevieBCPosted on8:54 pm - Sep 28, 2012


campsiejoe says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:33
StevieBC @ 20:18

The more knowledgeable will be able to correct me, but could it be thought of as a private sale
For example I have a new company, and I approach you and say for £500 I’ll give you 5 shares in my company
I paint a rosy picture of it, despite the fact that it’s only months old, and you like the sound of my proposal and hand over your £500, and then six months later, it goes down the tubes
Apart from taking your frustrations out on me personally, there is not a lot more you could do
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Agreed that if it is to be a private sale, there is more risk/less regulation as compared to a listing.

However, I presume even in a private, [as opposed to a general pubic], ‘sale of shares’ there must be some restrictions.

A company goes through the cost/hassle of getting a listing to then get access to more capital via share issue(s). I take your point though, that if it is regarded as a strict invitation for ‘private’ investors that could be Charlie’s ‘loophole’ to avoid scrutiny.

My main point though was to ask if there is any authority who would be obliged to investigate -in advance – whether a listing or a private sale?

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campsiejoePosted on8:54 pm - Sep 28, 2012


This shows the level Green is operating at
I just noticed this on looking at the NI blurb again

“Everyone was in agreement that our Clubs future was looking extremely good with plans of Hotels, CANCER CENTRE, New Shop, New Ticket office and renovations to Edmiston Club along with Football Academies in America, Asia and widespread Global Marketing.”

In my opinion low doesn’t cover it

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AgrajagPosted on8:54 pm - Sep 28, 2012


goosygoosy says:
September 28, 2012 at 20:46

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Agrajag says:

September 28, 2012 at 19:17

Something I have never understood and maybe someone can explain to me.

With regard the floating charge, of what significance is it if it is not actually securing a debt. ?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
You can`t have a floating charge without having a debt
The act of creating a floating charge is instigated by a debt in the first place
Thats how the RFC FC came about back in 1999 It was set up between SDM and(almost certainly) BOS Operations Mgr Scotland, David Greir (now with D&P)
It is irrelevant where Whyte got the money to pay off LBG. He paid LBG £18m for taking over the FC a few days AFTER taking ownership. From an RFC standpoint the £18m debt was never cleared It was only transferred from LBG to Whytes RFCG

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Thanks, and a bit of indulgence if that’s OK.

So are we saying that Craig Whyte (through some vehicle(s)) has both a floating charge over assets and is owed somewhere in the region of £18m by the business which owns those assets.

In short, is there a possibility that whoever controls the floating charge is also owed money by the people who own the assets covered by the floating charge.

It’s Friday night so “yes” would be an acceptable answer to the second paragraph (or “no” if I misunderstand). I can pester you for details later if that’s OK.

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blackadder2Posted on8:59 pm - Sep 28, 2012


Didn’t Charles Green say they would never play in the SPL while he is in charge, that could mean one of 2 things, firstly, he intends walking away within 2 year, or he expects there will be no SPL, and there will be some fudge to have a top league via the SFL, accomodated of ocurse by a compliant SFA. Never the less, if he doesn’t go back into the top league, he can kiss goodbye to any possibility of champions league football, and all its riches, therefore any investor worth they salt would give this investment opportunity a wide berth. Who in there right mind would want to invest in a club that will never play in europe top competition because of some misconceived feeling of injustice.

In respect to the sale of shares which as far as i can see is a private sale, and could have many tax implications for Sevco, and or its shareholders.

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