Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?

Another excellent piece by Glasnost.

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  1. What we want to see is Form LQ02 – Ceasing to be administrator


  2. Anyone wanting a laugh check Kyle Huttons twitter where Mario from Towie is taking the piss right out oh him. Even Ross Perry is slagging him off.


  3. the taxman cometh says:
    September 2, 2012 at 22:15
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    “This message has been generated in response to your request to monitor the
    following company:

    Company Name : THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB P.L.C.
    Company Number: SC004276

    The following form/document(s) have been filed for the above company and are
    available to order from our Companies House WebCHeck service:

    Document Type Form
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    Liq Doc 2.20B(SC)
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    It’s the administrator’s progress report


  4. Green is gradually getting to the “Craig Whtye” point of no return, where even the succulent Yorkshire Pudding brigade will be shamed into reporting on the spin, contradictions and outright lies Green spouts. He cannot believe how easy this has all been for him and the rest of the Shady Bunch.


  5. I understand there are around 26000 small shareholders in RFC who have no expectation of getting any money back unlike Green who will make a profit on the back of their misery

    Green`s message to them is that their investment in RFC which gave them lots of memories has turned into an investment in a uniquely defined “holding company” (not a club any more) that has no entitlement to RFC memories

    So 26,000 Bears have lost both their RFC money and their RFC memories

    But all is not lost
    26000 shareholders may have lost their money
    But
    They can have their RFC memories back if they follow Sevco 2012 and believe that their RFC memories have magically resurrected from the grave

    And even better

    They can put yet more money into Sevco in October
    Once again they will magically become shareholders of RFC the Club ( with the magic power to transfer memories) and Sevco the uniquely defined “holding company”( with the magic power to empty the pockets of the gullible)

    We will then have a situation where the entity called RFC the Club and RFC the uniquely defined “holding company” awaits liquidation bereft of money and bereft of memories

    At the same time another RFC the Club and Sevco the uniquely defined “holding company” (sadly still bereft of money) will be happily emptying the pockets of the gullible and filling the pockets of spivs

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    It beggars belief that grown men could swallow this nonsense
    If it wasn`t for all the intimidation and threats of civil disorder I could feel sorry for anyone believing this stuff


  6. It’sagoal! says:
    September 2, 2012 at 21:44
    ‘..“what BBC Scotland actually produces, much of which is excellent. Its coverage of the Rangers financial scandal, for example, put much of the Scottish press to shame”.’

    ——–
    Yes, it’sagoal, if by BBC Scotland he means BBC TV Scotland.

    But I don’t think BBC Radio Scotland has covered itself in journalisic glory.

    Cosgrove and Cowan ( because they’re kind of freelance and have huge audience appeal) have been very good , and Jim Spence has been perhaps very brave.

    But in the main, BBC Radio Scotland has maintained the fiction that Sevco are the old RFC(IA),by continuing to offer live broadcast coverage of the 3rd division games that they play in, and by not asking hard questions of the CEO or manager.

    And, incidentally,in relation to the letter I sent on 26th JUNE, I still have received neither the reply from John Boothman ( head of News and Current Affairs) that was promised in the holding reply I received on 22nd AUGUST, or the reply that was said to have been sent on 17th August by Ewan Angus, Head of Sport.( Lost in the post? So have I got to feckin well ask them to send another copy? Right, I’ll do that tomorrow.)

    Quite apart from any other consideration, it would appear that BBC Radio Scotland’s ability to deal with correspondence leaves something to be desired.


  7. StevieBC says:
    September 2, 2012 at 14:51
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    So was there any wallpaper involved in the Oldgers demise?


  8. TheBlackKnight TBK says:
    September 2, 2012 at 15:26
    To be fair I think he’s more of a liar.
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    And does it not suggest a certain prejudice on his part? But then he’s a Scottish referee so I must be wrong.


  9. Goosy says:
    September 2, 2012 at 22:39

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    What’s the betting that the shares which are sold are non-voting.

    Or if they are ordinary shares there aren’t enough to actually have any influence, even if the shareholders voted together.


  10. HirsutePursuit says:
    September 2, 2012 at 22:34
    ‘It’s the administrator’s progress report..’

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    Company SC 004276 is a company incorporated on 27th May 1899, carrying on the activities of sports club.

    The present status of the company is “In Administration”.

    It is therefore patently obvious even to purblind ex-referees that ‘Sevco/The Rangers’ is as we all know a brand new, quite distinct, history-less ‘sporting activities’ club.


  11. Someone should ask lifelong supporter Andy Cameron and shareholder how he feels now that he has been told by CG that he never held a single share in the “club” only a “holding co.” plus the 26,000 others who were scammed.


  12. john clarke says:
    September 2, 2012 at 22:44
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    It should also be pointed out that the BBC Scotland Football website is consistently in line with the MSM.


  13. EKtim,

    That’s a good way to put it.
    Bear with me as I think this all through.

    So if all those shares weren’t in the club, then someone mislead them during the original share issue, and would be in deep doodoo with the legal and financial authorities if they had said it was for the club but it turned out it was for some other legal entity (holding company).

    But they aren’t in deep doodoo, …well, not for that anyway…so the shares must have been for the club.

    Now they are worthless, except they have memory value?

    Or if they were for the club, then logically the club, iif its the same one, has still those shares In existence owned by those shareholders, unless CG can find a bear friendly way of making them worthless, again.

    And what’s Charlie going to say about the next share issue..will it be for the club or some other legal entity? If its the club, then what club exactly? Could he clarify what legal entity it is? Is it the one that used to be the one under the previous holding company that’s bust? Or maybe the other one which used to be one (or two) of the Sevcos and / or the one with some version of the words RFC, 2012, plc or Ltd in it’s recently amended name.

    If the shares aren’t going to be for the club, then which legal entity will they be for? In which case can CG clarify how secure an investment its likely to be and how shareholders can be assured they are supporting the club and not the holding company owners?

    Oh, for some clarity and consistency from those involved.

    Fishiness still abounds.


  14. Goosy says:
    September 2, 2012 at 22:39
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    In truth, very few people fail to recognise the truth. Most go along with the lie because they know how much it hurts the people who care the most.

    Just the other day I was speaking to the parents of a teenage boy who they reckon is potential SPL material. Having seen him play on several occasions, I think they are being somewhat over-ambitious for their son. Several unsuccessful pro-youth trials, they told me, have been the fault of poorly trained coaches or favouritism towards other players. In truth, their son, to my eye, is simply an average boys-club player.

    Should I have told them the truth? Would it have made any difference?

    Sometimes the truth can be staring you in the face; but, if that truth undermines your very existence, you’ll simply fail to see it.

    Fans of The Ranger Football Club plc need to believe their club will survive beyond its imminent demise. Its less a matter of faith than it is a lack of options. They have to believe that the spirit of Rangers will live on in a new body.

    The only problem with that, is that the old body is still twitching – not quite yet shuffled off this mortal coil – and with Sevco and Charles Green their only option, they have to rationalise how that spirit gets from their old club to their new club.

    So this is how we get to the nonsense that “the club” they are supporting now is not the club they have been supporting all their lives. No, “the club” they support now is simply an asset of the club that was founded in 1873 and incorporated in 1899.

    It doesn’t matter how eloquently it is explained. The truth is self-evident; but supporters of Sevco’s Rangers are either simply unable to see it or too afraid to raise the anger of those who don’t want to see it.


  15. 5StarsorBehindBars says:
    September 2, 2012 at 23:11
    ‘..It should also be pointed out that the BBC Scotland Football website is consistently in line with the MSM.’
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    You’re right, of course.

    The BBC even in war-time ( within some limits) tended to at least want to report objectively and be a bench-mark of journalistic integrity. And today, on the national front, it still fights hard to resist government ( of whatever colour) control.

    BBC Radio Scotland , disgracefully,seems to be staffed/managed/controlled by individuals who are afraid to say ‘boo’ to the bully-boys of football.

    Instead of rotweilers like Paxman, we have frightened wee nodding dogs rolling over to have their tummies tickled by Sally or CO or ( put in another SFA name or two).

    Most extraordinary.


  16. Mr Bunny on September 2, 2012 at 22:54
    TheBlackKnight TBK says:
    September 2, 2012 at 15:26
    To be fair I think he’s more of a liar.
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    And does it not suggest a certain prejudice on his part? But then he’s a Scottish referee so I must be wrong.
    ****************************************************

    Please do not misquote me or misrepresent! I did not write that!

    I said he was an ill-informed fudd!


  17. Many on RTC and now TSFM have droned on and on about the fact that the old Rangers is dead and that means ‘the club’ because ‘the club’ became the company. The newco is a new club, simple as that.

    However the argument for some is that ‘the club’ is more than just its legal status, it is made up of soul, spirit and any other intangibles you want to mention.

    Having looked at the earlier post quoting examples of the MSM saying liquidation means a new club over the last few months, I believe I am correct in saying that this ‘same club’ argument has, almost exclusively, been generated by fans and officials of the team playing down Govan way. I have not heard fans or officials of other clubs support this view.

    Am I therefore correct in my thinking that if people support and agree with, or at the very least do not challenge, this position are more than likely to be Rangers supporters?


  18. Remember good ol’ tow-truckin’ uncle Bill Miller?
    Remember his “crazy, but you know, it might just work” plan?
    It was to move the assets into an incubator company, allowing the oldco to drift onwards and agree a CVA. And once agreed, the oldco would be merged with the incubator, meaning a new company would be born but with the history of the oldco still intact. Nuts of course, because a CVA was never going to happen – but, it was an attempt to get the cash cow fans onside – support us and we’ll buy back the history.
    In other words, the only way that the new club could be the same as the old club was for the old club to survive and be merged with the new.
    You really do wonder why Bill and the duffers cooked up such an elaborate plan, when he could have done exactly what Green did with the same result. Unless of course…..that would have been total bullsh*t (which is a phrase I’m sure uncle Bill would have uttered when he saw the £30M miscalculation the duffers tried to stitch him up with).


  19. Diagnosis = Charlie has foot in mouth disease
    Cure =Cut his feet off


  20. john clarke says:
    September 2, 2012 at 23:45
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    “Instead of rotweilers like Paxman, we have frightened wee nodding dogs rolling over to have their tummies tickled by Sally or CO or ( put in another SFA name or two).”

    >>>>>>>>

    Indeed; well said. Notable exceptions apart, they are exactly that.

    What I find most galling is the sheer arrogance of some of these guys, like Jabba yesterday, when saying that clubs would vote for re-construction for Sevco due to finances. Jim Spence called him on that, saying he had “previous”, and noting that he said the same re the SPL and SFL, only for them to decide otherwise. Jabba jabbered on (as only he can do) denying this, with a derogatory tone. Spence, to his credit, didn’t let him off with it.

    Its very rare that you hear a challenge of this nature in the midst of the pro-Sevco “barrage”, and that’s the main problem, as you have pointed out.


  21. When do Sevco have to legally submit their first set of Accounts ?


  22. CW says:
    September 3, 2012 at 00:47

    When do Sevco have to legally submit their first set of Accounts ?
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    It depends on whether the SFA can persuade Companies House to accept the validity of the general amnesty they have given Rangers.


  23. CW says:
    September 3, 2012 at 00:47
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    When do Sevco have to legally submit their first set of Accounts ?
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    From memory, early in 2014.
    I will try to find the source.


  24. Scotland Behave says:
    September 1, 2012 at 12:29

    There is nothing wrong with the game itself in Scotland, nor the players. The game needs more focus on many levels, youth being the priority not foreigners.
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    I liked most of the points in your post until you went all xenophobic.

    I think the answer is the youth getting a proper chance instead of some of the “senior” players in our game who don’t add much but take too big a chunk of the wage bill.


  25. A Expert says:
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    September 3, 2012 at 01:24

    Scotland Behave says:
    September 1, 2012 at 12:29

    There is nothing wrong with the game itself in Scotland, nor the players. The game needs more focus on many levels, youth being the priority not foreigners.
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    I liked most of the points in your post until you went all xenophobic.

    I think the answer is the youth getting a proper chance instead of some of the “senior” players in our game who don’t add much but take too big a slice of the wage bill.

    Also this is a repost because instead of slice I said Ch**k in the original. Ludicrous.


  26. Commentator on TRFC game on Radio Scotland today said Rangers have only 1defeat in last 16 games !We must put an end to this same club nonsense.Green seems to be able to do or say as he pleases completely unchallenged by any decent journalist.His statement today was incredible!
    Unprecedented punishment is in fact unprecedented non punishment unprecedented rule bending etc etc


  27. http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/ibrox-hero-david-templeton-hurt-and-disappointed-by-hearts-criticism-1-2502833

    The Dog Whistler – “I don’t want to get into a war of words with Hearts. I will say that every player who has left this club has done so with our best wishes and our thanks. Maybe that’s the best way to approach it. I certainly don’t see David having an attitude problem. I’m sure he will have dips in form, like any player, but I’d like to think I’m not in the habit of signing players with bad attitudes.”

    Seems he can’t open his mouth without lying;

    http://www.scotzine.com/2012/06/ally-mccoist-hits-out-at-wantaway-rangers-players-as-the-exodus-looms/

    That’s the problem with us Bampots Alistair, we actually rember the pish you and the Nanny have come away with.


  28. slimshady61 says:
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    Agrajag says:
    September 2, 2012 at 21:16
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    Agreed, it all comes back to the “see what you want to see”. As Collina once said, “if a referee sees something and misinterprets it, that is acceptable; we are all human. But if he sees something that didn’t actually happen, that is not and never will be acceptable”

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    Slim…Pier Luigi Collina…my all time favourite referee…a giant amongst pygmies (especially the Scottish referees I have come across. I wonder how Mr Dougal views him this morning?


  29. spanner @ 08:24

    Have a look at the front page of the on line version, and scroll down
    The are the only side in Scotland to have a banner all to themselves in that rag
    That tells you everything you need to know
    As far as their reasons for dropping PMG’s book, totally pathetic


  30. Wee bit off topic I know but….
    My favourite story about Collina was his watching tapes of particpating teams teams before the big games – many teams have their “hard man” who wants to get the first crucnhing tackle in on the other team’s star player, and as we all know, it’s rare for a first tackle of a match to get a booking. Well if the similar thing happens game after game, then Collina viewed it as premeditated…


  31. I feel Phil made a big mistake having his book serialised in the Sun in the first place. Integrity?


  32. So there we have it – the end of the transfer window and the footy continues.

    In the final week Sally wanted 8 then 6 then a ‘few’ players. He got one.
    Green then effectively appears to say in the Sky interview that the manager is not on the same page as the guys holding the purse strings. Otherwise why was he allowed to be quote numbers.

    Of course you could argue that it was all BS to feed to the growling bears.

    – NO questions from the MSM with regard to that piece of nonsense.

    Reports that the Green was saying that the limit on overs 21s came into play in terms of bringin players in due to the holding of registrations for Naismith et al.

    – NO reports from the MSM to confirm with the SFA/SFL if this is true and if it were what is the position when the registrations are finally resolved.

    I seem to recall reports of Newcastle players coming in on loan and reports of Investment including Sally himself.

    – NO reports from the MSM providing updates on these matters, especially in relation to Sally when it seems clear he has not invested at present.

    As I have said before if Mr Charles manages to pull this off then good on him.

    The trouble is that with so much guff coming out of Ibrox one can’t help think something stinks.

    My guess is that things will quieten down now until the FTT result is announced.

    I am hoping that someone like Mark Daly is working away in the background researching Green et al to see if there is a Whyte type exposure to be done.

    The blog will probably go off on various tangents but can I remind people of the need to keep focussed and alert.


  33. HirsutePursuit says:
    September 2, 2012 at 23:45

    Fans of The Ranger Football Club plc need to believe their club will survive beyond its imminent demise. Its less a matter of faith than it is a lack of options. They have to believe that the spirit of Rangers will live on in a new body.
    ——–

    I don’t have a problem with anyone believing that “the spirit lives on” in the New Club.

    That spirit, however, does not include the history of the Old Club, or anything else to do with it – including the debts and as yet unpunished alleged misdemeanours.

    Have your New Rangers – keep the “spirit” of the old club alive, odious as it may be. No-one has a problem with that. Well, not much. But be clear that is it is a New Club – a club that has not played 16 games yet, and one that has not won any trophies at all.

    In this spiritual realm, I have no problem with a sense of continuity among the bears. However, everyone should recognise where the fairy tale ends and reality begins.

    I wonder how the RFC(IA) shareholders will view the fact that they bought shares in an entity legally referred to as “the Club”, which is being shamelessly touted as one and the same entity as the new TRFC, somehow above the companies that run them? Perhaps someone will stick their head above the parapet and ask why their shares are worthless when they’re being told the Club continues to exist?

    I’ll include the prospectus link again, in which the words “Club” and “Company” appear to be interchageable:

    http://www.plus-sx.com/newsItem.html?newsId=905043


  34. Stuart Dougal, a true pioneer by introducing the concept of Company DNA to insolvency and company law.


  35. The MSM have demonstrated that all they are interested in is circulation. For years they have stooped to phone hacking, muckraking, paying criminals etc in a race to the lowest common denominator.
    In Scotland this translates to a never ending stream of hand outs and invented rubbish that appeals to the prejudices of the ruling clique and their fellow travellers
    Despite all that they are dying on their feet
    A few decades from now there will be no hard copy newspapers People will be able to find the truth online in milliseconds Those who want to be deluded will find their comforts online
    ,,,,,,,,,,,
    This Blog may not have completed its work on the corruption of scottish football.
    But it has repeatedly exposed how an immoral MSM are deluding ex RFC fans and attempting to delude the rest of us

    We should tick that box and move on

    They are not worthy of any more comment on that topic

    All we are doing now is repeating ourselves

    Anyone who thinks continued speaking out will make a blind bit of difference to these reprobates

    should ask someone at CFC


  36. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 2, 2012 at 21:26

    CG in an after match interview today
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    Less than three days after receiving an inadequate censure for bringing the Scottish Game into disrepute

    – came a demand for respect!

    Blimey


  37. As regards the “domestic versus foreign” debate started by Charlie Brown (I think) – Celtic have bought “big” Scottish in the past, where they thought it worthwhile (Brown for example) and have the most effective footballing academy in the country. Look at the number of young players in Scottish football that have been products of it.

    However, if you are looking to pursue the model of getting in young players and selling them on, they have to be the right price. Scottish clubs are looking to sell players to the English sides as that’s where the big bucks are, and that seems to sometimes push them above what Celtic are prepared to pay.

    “What Was Rangers” did outbid Celtic regularly for players and in fairness to them, did manage to blood them in Europe and punt them down south (though how they achieved some of those deals seems to be open to some conjecture) for decent money. Whether that was because they had deeper pock, sorry i mean better lines of credit, or they had better links with English teams and were more confident they cound redeem their, sorry, the bank’s investment I don’t know (this is relevant to both Scottish and foreign players – Jelavic for example) .

    When WGS was in charge, he had a brief to reduce wages and squad size Celtic were big (almost exclusive) acquirers of Scottish players. This makes the fact that he achieved 3IAR and had some success in Europe even more remarkable. The Mowbray debacle, WWRangers non-tax-fuelled 3IAR and subsequent pressure on the Celtic board and on Lennon to deliver immediate success meant a change in policy. The board then stated their business model was to buy from less glamourous markets and look to sell on players who had they helped develop (unsaid, but to me this clearly meant to the English market).

    The fact that a lot fewer Scottish players now go to England than only say 10 years ago is well-known – English teams don’t buy Scottish. Is that Celtic’s fault? Scotland’s fault? Sky’s billions fault?

    As a developer of Scottish talent, I don’t think Celtic can be criticised:
    http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Reserves+and+Youth+Team

    I think this is an interesting article as a snapshot for what football offers Scottish youngsters…
    http://bornoffside.net/2012/04/whatever-happened-to-the-2006-scotland-u19-squad/


  38. Forgive me if I seem to be missing something – but this week’s CG/MSM hullabullo is shaping up on the SPL Inquiry into EBTs – Now their support is being encouraged to believe there is some SPL agenda.

    Believe me, the SPL will do a little as possible and anything they do do will be to legally protect themselves.

    • D+P are responsible and accountable for the Administration
    • CO / SFO now responsible for the criminal probe into the “Acquistion” [and consequent actions]
    • What do people think HMRC nominated BDO Liquidator are going to do whenever they are appointed?

    Think they`ll be spending the bulk of their time on tax avoidance EBTs – and will be forensic

    Now is anyone suggesting HMRC/BDO have an agenda against that Company and their supporters? HMRC gave them a fresh start. HMRC want those responsible for EBTs in the main to be found responsible and accountable.

    I doubt BDO will spend a millisecond cross checking their EBT findings with the SPL.

    Yet another MSM example of foolish misguidance – History will not be kind


  39. TheBlackKnight TBK says:
    September 2, 2012 at 23:56
    Apologies if I got my cut and paste muddled. Apart from that the rest was my own comment and not intended to be seen as anyone else’s (though they can agree if they like).


  40. Well done the Sun!
    You’ve taken a little known journalist,only really recognised by anyone interested in the problems at RFC(IA),published his photograph for all to see,even though you know the repercussions that could bring therefore putting him and more importantly his family at risk.
    Now,when you’ve published your “Exclusive”,you drop him like a stone and let any potential enemies know where he lives and what he looks like.All to cover up the wrongdoings at a business that has defrauded the people(that includes “Ra Peepul) of circa £100m.
    Phil is interested in Irish history,I’m sure but I’ve never read anything of his that could be described as sectarian.
    The Sun now I assume believes that if you have Irish blood,no matter how diluted then you’re sectarian and a threat to society,and they were told thus by people phoning in so it must be true(bet they didn’t check the callers backgrounds)..
    If only everyone lived there lives to the standards set by the Sun.The world would be a far better place.Not.
    By their own admission,they carried out no research(unknown to us,they said) wrt Phils background before agreeing to serialise his book.
    But then,they also blamed LFC fans for the death of 96 of their fellow supporters without checking either.If they want info,why don’t they just tap some phones!


  41. Goosy has been a valuable contributor over the piece but I think he’s a bit off the mark at 10.09. The complicity of the MSM with its long history of partiality, misinformation, disinformation,lies, deceit and generally deviant behaviour has hugely undermined Scottish football and has played a major role in propping up both RFC and its current incarnation.

    Do we now wish to give them free rein to continue their campaign unchallenged? Despite what they may say, I am sure that the truth, facts and well-informed opinion exposed on this blog acts as a check on potentially wilder excesses and the impact which that has on opinion-forming within the general public and elsewhere.. There has already been some [if, so far, only a little] evidence of success in this respect and, within reason, I don’t think we should be letting our guard down on any front.


  42. Had a read at Jabba’s guff in the Rancid……(I know). A kind of childish underlying threat emerges early in the article, which on reflection is about as interesting as reading the packaging of a crisp bag.
    He talks about CG and Sally fully expecting to be called back to Hampden to answer questions on the EBTs . Quote . “Next time they could be marching up the stairs with an Army of Rangers fans right behind them”. Silly Jabba. Or is he being deliberately aggressive and inflammatory?
    Or is he just a Fudd.


  43. With regard to oldco/newco/Sevco/club/ holding co/ club confusion.
    Would it simplify matters if everyone ( apart from MSM obviously) simply started using the terms OLD Rangers and NEW Rangers.
    i.e. OLD Rangers won 54 titles- NEW Rangers are unbeaten in 5 games.
    If the Falkirk announcer had referred to NEW Rangers rather than Sevco it may have been a less inflammatory but more subtle way of making the distinction.
    Just a thought ?


  44. The fact that Sevco are not Rangers, and are a new club is beyond reasonable argument, my question to our more erudite legal/business contributors is this, who cares? Clearly the 40000+ present at Ibrox yesterday don’t care, nor do the MSM, nor do the governing bodies. Indeed it appears the malcontents of bampottery are the only ones who are making an issue of this apparently ‘irrelevant detail’. I have heard of laws against ‘phoenixism’ is there any authority legal or otherwise who will care, and take action to challenge this charade?


  45. Essex Beancounter says:
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    Agrajag says:
    September 2, 2012 at 21:16
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    Agreed, it all comes back to the “see what you want to see”. As Collina once said, “if a referee sees something and misinterprets it, that is acceptable; we are all human. But if he sees something that didn’t actually happen, that is not and never will be acceptable”

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    Slim…Pier Luigi Collina…my all time favourite referee…a giant amongst pygmies (especially the Scottish referees I have come across. I wonder how Mr Dougal views him this morning?
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    I remember a story about Mr. Collina from many years ago..

    He was in his hotel room prior to a major game he was to ref the next day…there was a bit of a party going on in the hotel bar…creating a fair bit of noise…when in stomped Collina…in his dressing gown..and demanded the party either ceases or reduces the level of noise….needless to say the party soon came to a shuddering halt….


  46. I have the feeling that irrespective of the outcome of the BTC tribunal ruling, the dual contracts tribunal or even if BDO found levels of impropriety or illegality surrounding the purchase of the assets, the TRFC will continue on its merry way.

    Things have gone too far now that the league has started. There will be no appetite or any of the levels of courage that is required by our organisations to slay this beast, no matter what is found in these investigations.

    That is they way that this has been planned from the beginning.Every action that could and should have been taken by D&D, SFA and the SPL has deliberately been delayed to ensure that.

    FIFA or UEFA will not investigate the illegal rule breaking by the SFA, they have shown little or no interest in this matter.

    The SFA will not answer any questions, the MSM will not ask any questions. Those so called journalists who go on twitter and spout their rubbish do not like being asked if they will make inquiries to the SFA, try it, ask them to question the SFA about any issue relating to TRFC and they suddenly log off.

    The problem we face now is that TRFC will run amok, they are now untouchable by the SFA. Green knows exactly what rules where broken by the SFA, what secret deals the SFA made with TRFC in order for them to play any level of football above Junior.
    This information will be used by Green to ensure that he has leverage over the SFA and SPL and he will use it.

    Football in this country has changed forever and will never recover from the stench of corruption that has emanated from Hamdung.


  47. So have I got this right? The Sun wanted to serialise Phil’s book so their readers would have the chance to make up their own minds about who was responsible for the demise of Rangers. But now they won’t do this because the author is “tarred with a sickening sectarian brush”.

    The evidence on which they have tried and convicted Phil, to justify their character assassination, is? How does the Sun now propose to let their readers know the full story about the demise of Rangers? Could it be the case that the Sun is frightened that running the story will lose them lots of sales in Glasgow? Is it good news for RTC that he is anonymous or bad news because with an unknown identity serialising his book would be outwith the Sun’s guidelines that they only publish material written by proper and sound upstanding journalists, as we have all witnessed with the Leverson enquiry?

    Sorry, lots of questions, no answers, just another day in the life of the admirable Scottish MSM.


  48. Re the SvN dropping Phil Mac’s book.

    Personally I think it was a bad idea to allow them to serialise it in the first place(hillsborough)

    Who among us, like me, think that a significant part of the readership of that rag are fans of Servco? I have noticed on twitter and some of the Servco forums that they were encouraging fans to contact the Svn and let them know that they would never buy the paper again if they went ahead with their serialisation of Phils book.

    Could the Svn really take that chance in the current climate? From a purely buisness point of view it was the correct decision. We may not like it but for the Svn it was a no brainer.

    For me the really disturbing aspect of this whole episode so far is the fact that Servco fans have mobilised and our able to affect the editorial policy of a major Scottish newspaper. I actually think it’s a good think that they have mobilished and are beginning to organise, unfortunately their leadership lacks much of what most other fans of football would regard as fairminded or objective.
    This has led to the fans of Servco becomming the Scottish Jewish lobby.

    They complain about anything that shows their club in a bad light.
    They defend their leaders, even when it is clear that those same leaders are in the wrong.
    They accuse anyone who doesn’t share their mindset as being anti-Servcovian.

    A dangerous precident has been set by the Svn decision, it will embilden the Servco fans. If they can’t get their own way through online bullying, who’s to say they wont take their anger on to the streets in future?


  49. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:26

    I have the feeling that irrespective of the outcome of the BTC tribunal ruling, the dual contracts tribunal or even if BDO found levels of impropriety or illegality surrounding the purchase of the assets, the TRFC will continue on its merry way.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Of course they will run along on their merry way….

    As I have said previously….no one in Scottish Football is prepared to challenge what the SFA are doing….have done or will do….

    Therefore SEVCO…the MSM and the SFA have the whole field to themselves to shape and structure the whole vile corrupt and unacceptable charade that is taking place in front of us…

    the MSM…we could list the various participants of a Rangers/SEVCO background…the SFA’s main character is an ex Rangers employee…with ex Rangers season ticket holders also within the SFA…

    And yet silence appears to be the right thing according to some….well if that is true then why does this blog exist…

    You can not expose the corruption if the MSM are in cahoots with the perpetrators…add the governing body into the mix and you have the perfect JFK moment….why are they being allowed to do this…who benefits…and who has the power to ensure it happens?

    As Jim Garrison once said…

    “Telling the truth can be a scary thing sometimes. It scared President Kennedy, and he was a brave man. But if you let yourself be too scared then you let the bad guys take over the country. Then everybody gets scared.”


  50. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:26
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    Bleak scenario.

    But is there anything to stop disaffected clubs from forming a breakaway association and seeking recognition from FIFA/UEFA? You’d think they’d have a pretty strong case.

    It would also grab a few headlines if clubs felt so alienated from their own ruling bodies that they chose to reject them.


  51. Tangerine Taysider says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:45

    So have I got this right? The Sun wanted to serialise Phil’s book so their readers would have the chance to make up their own minds about who was responsible for the demise of Rangers. But now they won’t do this because the author is “tarred with a sickening sectarian brush”.

    The evidence on which they have tried and convicted Phil, to justify their character assassination, is?
    ===========================================================================The evidence is included in the text TT.You must have missed it.Here it is:

    “On Sunday, many Rangers fans contacted the paper”.

    Clear & concise and unusually for the Sun,almost certainly the truth. :thumbsup:


  52. nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:26
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    Then it’s time for all to accept this in full and formulate a strategy to derail the Thugs Express. Continually griping about Sevco’s


  53. eddie rice says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:58
    This has led to the fans of Servco becomming the Scottish Jewish lobby.

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Steady eddie! We’ve enough to discuss without opening that particular can of worms.

    The Scum burnt its fingers badly with its Hillsbourgh coverage and to this day barely sells a copy in Liverpool 25 years on, Pool fans everywhere would not touch it.

    Phil Mac is easily discredited, pity, he does some excellent stuff!


  54. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 10:53
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    Well done the Sun!

    ….Phil is interested in Irish history, I’m sure but I’ve never read anything of his that could be described as sectarian….
    ———————————
    Leggat reposted a piece by PMG called The Incubator on his blog a few days ago as “evidence” of sectarianism and this in turn was reposted on RM….

    As someone with zero affiliation to any religion or club, I find the piece wickedly funny but it is a very savage lampoon. Whether it is sectarian or not is I suppose in the eye of the beholder.


  55. The damage the Sun inflicted on its sales in Liverpool you would have thought would be enough to make sure any stories that might cause conflict would be thouroughly checked out ,some lessons are never learned ,unless that is someone has brought something of a very serious nature to the table to change the minds of the editor that sanctions serialising of a book ,the editor and others in the sun building must have read the book then discussed over umpteen pots of coffee the contents of the book ,collectively they would have agreed it was potentialy a city splitting serialisation ,but is that not the point ,a bit of sensationalising ,what about the rest of their Scottish readers and further afield,no something serious has taken place here and The Sun has been threatened in such a manner they are running scared ,the cancer that has been lingering is now widespread ,the only way to rid Scotland of this cancer is starve it of attachment to society ,if this means Scotlands population has to severe or limit to extreme where possible all purchasing or otherwise of materials relating to this cancer then it has got to be done ,not easy but it is the only way ,lets start with the Sun.


  56. SouthernExile says:

    I read that too…my personal rule of thumb is to substitute certain words and concepts from ‘my side’ and consider whether or not it crosses the line………..


  57. If Phil Mac’s blog is considered sectarian then Scotland has surely become a racist country.
    If Politicians and Law Lords allow such criminality to proceed uncensured our children and grand-children will reap the whirlwind created by their cowardice.
    This must be made right.


  58. SouthernExile says:
    September 3, 2012 at 12:12
    1 0 i Rate This

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 10:53
    24 0 Rate This
    Well done the Sun!

    ….Phil is interested in Irish history, I’m sure but I’ve never read anything of his that could be described as sectarian….
    ———————————
    Leggat reposted a piece by PMG called The Incubator on his blog a few days ago as “evidence” of sectarianism and this in turn was reposted on RM….

    As someone with zero affiliation to any religion or club, I find the piece wickedly funny but it is a very savage lampoon. Whether it is sectarian or not is I suppose in the eye of the beholder.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Since when did Leggat become the voice of reason and censorship?….

    NOW THAT IS A SCARY THOUGHT!


  59. Followers of this blog (or anyone) also have the choice to contact the Svn and say they will not buy it because of their lack of moral courage in publishing/serialising the facts as investigated by a respected (freelance) journalist. That then places the news(ahem)paper in the situation of choosing sides (I think I know which side they would choose).
    Time for a Truth Commission.


  60. How did the Sun reach the decision that Phil was tarred with a sectarian brush? Did he leave a message on his own voicemail to that effect?


  61. The Scottish Football Monitor

    2. Absolutely no discussion with regard to religion should take place.

    end of


  62. Good Morning.

    Look on the bright side the publicity will do no harm to Phil’s book sales. I do agree that it is bad form to publish the mans picture and other details. I do not think this was accidental.

    Little doubt that the MSM, the Brotherhood and the Establishment in cahoots with the residents of the snakepit that is Hampden, will do all they can to get everyone to accept that the history of Rangers is unbroken. Those of us with an ounce of intelligence know the difference.

    It is obvious that the SFA ignore the rules and anything we attempt to point out that is wrong. Is it not now time to direct all efforts toward Michel Platini and make him see what is going on.

    In my opinion there is ample evidence to allow BDO, if they ever get appointed, to unravel all the deals and leave us with no Sevco and an SFA covered in Egg but don’t hold your breath.


  63. CW says:
    September 3, 2012 at 00:47
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    When do Sevco have to legally submit their first set of Accounts ?
    ==============
    From memory, early in 2014.
    I will try to find the source.
    CW says:
    September 3, 2012 at 00:47
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    When do Sevco have to legally submit their first set of Accounts ?
    ======
    My memory appears to be faulty:
    http://www.cdrex.com/sevco-5088-limited-8239675.html
    ===================
    Glad to discover that my memory is not as faulty as first thought !

    http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/3845e6f2c5e5f9110d47adfd052881b6/compdetails


  64. As usual we have a football story, the biggest one to hit this country, tainted again by sectarianism.

    Despite the many good things we have going for us it makes me sick to the stomach that I live is such a despicable, backward and hate filled little country.

    FFS this is the 21st century, can the MSM just get their fingers out of their erkies and do some decent reporting on the legal and sporting aspects of the Rangers debacle – without fear or favour and leave religion and sectarianism to others.


  65. I take it Phil still received full payment, not his fault the company involved publish first and check out truths later…………in some instances.


  66. Given he of the urine stained y-fronts Leggat’s propensity to point out Irishy middle names of those he deems sufficently anti-Sevco enough to direct his accusations of sectarianism towards, I’d be wary of making the mistake his crayon-scribbled rants had any weight with a rag as raggy as the Sun.


  67. Do the Sun think sevco and rangers are the same club, because UEFA have tarred rangers several times recently with the sickening sectarian brush.

    I take it we will never have to read the serialisation of Donald Findlay’s memoirs either then.


  68. Danish Pastry says:
    September 3, 2012 at 12:01
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    nowoldandgrumpy says:
    September 3, 2012 at 11:26
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    Bleak scenario.

    But is there anything to stop disaffected clubs from forming a breakaway association and seeking recognition from FIFA/UEFA? You’d think they’d have a pretty strong case.

    It would also grab a few headlines if clubs felt so alienated from their own ruling bodies that they chose to reject them.
    ==============

    If only, however that will be seen by most as a step too far.

    If Jim Spence is correct, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, there is wide discontent among SFL chairmen that will ensure no easy passage to the SPL for TRFC. The reason among others is that they all want a bite of the cherry from this cash cow.
    Nothing coming from the SPL in all of this, except from Doncaster, who will say nothing against his masters at the SFA and indeed was so afraid of any backlash when TRFC could not gain entry to the SPL, he dumped the issue of TRFC onto the SFL and ran for cover.

    That is the reality of Scottish Football.


  69. I believe the Svn had to remove Phils serialisation as it was causing confusion among Rangers fans.

    In the book it discusses:-

    “……financial scandal that was to engulf Rangers” and
    “So that you had a chance to read the behind-the-scenes details about the downfall of Rangers”
    “On Sunday, many Rangers fans contacted the paper.”

    I take it they were asking what was happening as Rangers are debt free according to Charles Green and what downfall was this book about, had they missed something???

    The paper had a story later that Rangers had beaten Elgin 5 -1 just to prove the fans are correct, there as never any downfall, only a punishment.,

    Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/sun_says/1460642/The-Scottish-Sun-Says.html#ixzz25POV22WZ


  70. Did the Sun check out the backgrounds or locations of the people who telephoned their complaints. Well I am sure they have some equipment lying about they could use.

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