1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:01
I don’t recall who started this holding company nonsense….
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The BBC are at it as well. A recent story on the McCoist and Green verdicts had this, ‘the company that previously ran Rangers entered administration in February with mounting liabilities’.
Agrajag says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:22
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He is simply using a deliberately poor (to say nothing of patronising) analogy.
Rangers were formed as a members club.
That same members club then became a limited company.
That limited company became a PLC.
It has been the same entity throughout.
Here’s the important bit, it still exists. It is in administration, awaiting liquidation, but the bottom line is it still exists. It still has shareholders who still own it.
Sevco, whatever it now calls itself, is an entirely separate legal entity.
All this talk of “holding companies” and the football club being a separate entity from them is just nonsense. Holding companies do exist, however they hold shares in other companies. Rangers FC PLC did not hold shares in “the football side” it was the football side.
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Agrajag…from the outset of this newclub/oldclub scenario, as a middle aged beancounter, I was totally convinced that there was no relationship whatsoever between the two separate legal entities, certainly from a point of view of company law.
Your splendidly illustrative post has allowed what is left of my brain to rationalise and see the blatant reality, particularly with regard to the “holding company” nonsense.
Many thanks for “lifting the veil” as the lecturers in company law would say…unless you are Mr Dougal of KPMG…!
Agrajag @ 16:13
He really should know better, although there is no indication of his actual expertise
I would like to think one of the partners would have a quiet word with him for spouting garbage, as it doesn’t reflect well on KPMG
Captain Haddock says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:08
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Jw hardin,
You’re right, if we keep at the analogy, if the woman had £70m debt on her credit card in her maiden name, then got married, she would still be liable for the debt.
Her husband would now also be jointly responsible too I think.
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Captain, I commend the analogy and whilst my grasp of legal matters is most basic, despite my tenth rate degree in law, albeit guid Scots law, I believe that a husband would only be liable for a wife’s debts incurred after marriage…at least that is the position in Englandshire.
I await the incoming….!
Test…What’s the Score with my posts? In moderation…no warnings. Please advise.
Essex beancounter,
You may be right, i’m sure though that the unfortunate mr might find his credit rating had gone for a burton
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:24
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I think Blair Nimmo is the Senior Partner in Scotland.
Ironically the man who was liquidator at Airdrie.
It’s a small World.
Dont’ know if this has been posted before. From Scottish Sun:
“SHAMED former Rangers owner Craig Whyte faces a £27million court showdown with finance firm Ticketus within a fortnight.”
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:01
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The problem with people like Dougal is that they are actually given air time to perpetuate the Sevco = old club myth
Now if he really is an accountant, then he should know what the law says, and what the definition of a holding company is
Wiggy Smith is another who falls into the same category
I don’t recall who started this holding company nonsense, but it rapidly became the war cry of the poorly informed presstitutes, who used it to justify Sevco’s claims, and from there it found it’s way into the sub-consciousness of the gullible
In truth, RFC (IA) will be liquidated and will cease to be, with an entry against their name in the Companies House register of “dissolved”
Only Stooges Inc, the snakes that slither around Hampden, and the MSM will insist that they still exist
Their opinion is worthless, as time will eventually prove
I think the “holding company” tripe may have been something which emanated in the public perception from Mr C. Whyte forming “The Rangers Group Ltd” and it just snowballed from there, being trotted out as and when to suit.
Agrajag’s post above shoots this “holding company” myth well and trully down.
I only wish it could be “once and for all” but with the MSM “presstitutes”, this just will not be.
Essex Beancounter @ 16:38
What RFC stands for, means too much to people who have a degree of influence within Scottish society
The claims that Sevco = old club are not legally correct, but these individuals will not tolerate that reality, and will do their utmost to keep the traditions and philosophy they hold so dear alive, by trying to twist, distort and misrepresent the truth
A time will come though, when they will have to face the truth, and it could well be that the investigations yet to be completed will force them to confront reality
TheBlackKnight TBK says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:26
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TBK…it is with a modicum of fear and apprehension that I dare to “cross swords” with you regarding your comments about a member of my esteemed (?) profession (so called!)
I would contend that this stalwart of the remaining rump of the supporters of RFC(IA) is fully aware of the true legal position regarding SEVCO and its associated franchise.
He is merely using, or should I say, abusing a position, granted gratuitously, by the MSM, to peddle what amounts to no more than propaganda along the Franz Josef Goebbels line of repeating the lie a thousand times until it is no longer a lie…!
So TBK, I will now retreat under “helmet and shield” (phew, I almost said “sword and shield”!) and await the full extent of your knightly but literary wrath!
Captain Haddock says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:33
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Essex beancounter,
You may be right, i’m sure though that the unfortunate mr might find his credit rating had gone for a burton
Captain…certainly would if he lived at the same address and was considered an “associated party” by the credit rating agencies, and certainly the one I use!
Best advice, ignore Mr Dougal and don’t get married!
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:50
Between the BDO civil investigation and the Police criminal investigation there is an awful lot still to come out of this. I am quite sure the two will overlap.
Do these people really think that they can fold a business owing £134m, not pay any tax for the best part of a year, abuse the tax system for years, make payments to people years after they have left their employment, give evidence to the Police and in Court which is wholly unreliable etc and simply walk away from it. (Perambulating pun intended).
Have to watch the Elgin game with sound turned down…….Craig burley spouts the biggest load of tosh I have ever heard in my life…….. Well maybe 2nd to jabba 🙂
“For clarity, the Scottish Football Association was formed in 1873 by agreement of 7 football clubs to the following motion: “The clubs here represented form themselves into an association for the promotion of football according to the rules of The Football Association”.
Among other interesting points of note, only one of the original subscribers to the association remains an active football club.
30 years later, in 1903, The Scottish Football Association incorporated as a company limited by guarantee, with a formal Memorandum and Articles of Association.
The SFA presents itself as the 2nd oldest football association in the world, having been founded in 1873.
Were the SFA Ltd to be dissolved, perhaps following some financial calamity or another, it would no longer exist.
Equally, it is foreeseeable that Scottish football clubs formerly members of the SFA, would form a new association to govern their game, and doubtless call it something like The Scottish Football Association Ltd.
It would be entirely feasible and in order for the Liquidators of old SFA to sell the intellectual property rights owned by the old association, including any and all brand names, copyrights and so on, to the new association, thus the new association could properly use the crest, moto and other properties of the old association should it so wish.
The legitimacy of this new assciation to govern the game would be demonstrated by the unanimous subscription of its member clubs, and ultimately its membership of FIFA. (The old associaiton’s membership of FIFA and the International Football Board would end on, or prior to, dissolution)
For all intents and purposes, despite having the same members as the old association, calling itself something very similar to the old association, and indeed using the crest and colours of the old association, the new association would be…. a new association, with a new constitution, new legal personality, and new legal relationships, the old association having been dissolved.”
Agrajag @ 16:57
Short answer – Yes
Essex beancounter,
That was the point i was trying to make, …the new partner of the high debt mrs, living at Ibrox, and who is actively promoting its association with the party with the debt, should really not be surprised that there might be unfortunate implications.
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 17:08
Agrajag @ 16:57
Short answer – Yes
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I suppose there has been little if anything to disillusion them of this notion … yet
Dougall was a ref. Impartial as ever in responding re Sevco. He is however fairly rrpresentative of those in out society charged eith ensuring fairness and compliance with rules in law and finance. Scary.
Why dont we have a look at what the MSM themselves had to say on this newclub question?
I found this via twitter: Very illuminating in regards to the MSM. What they say now and what they said then.
How is it possible that not ONE single Scottish sports journalist is not of the opinion that RFC Tribute Act are not RFC? How is that possible? I cannot believe that not one sports journo has a different opinion on this issue. NOT A SINGLE ONE!
Cowards or just a startling, bordering on miraculous coincidence?
There’s got to be a few journalists who won’t rock the boat for fear of the livelIhoods and ever their lives!
What a sad country Scotland has become 🙁
Ordinary Fan says:
September 2, 2012 at 18:18
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No it is not a miraculous coincidence it is a deliberate plot, as Essex Beancounter says it is
“propaganda along the Franz Josef Goebbels line of repeating the lie a thousand times until it is no longer a lie…!”
It breaths life into a monster which would otherwise die.
It perpetuates the myth, but never forget that it is a myth.
The MSM and the so called professionals like Stuart Dougal know this. I am surprised at someone at that level with KPMG would spout such nonsense. I have had many dealings with KPMG in another country and crass statement like that do this respected firm a great diservice.
As they say better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it.
For the avoidance of doubt, after over 35 years in Law and business, take it from me Rangers(IA) soon to be liquidated, are not the same as Sevco/”The Rangers”.
Oh how the knuckle draggers and the Establishment would wish it was so but it is not, not now, not ever!
stuart dougal given platform to promote pro “rangers” agenda.
shockeroonie…….
I know a few of the people who work at KPMG and they will be going into work on Monday with disguises in case they are recognised, after that statement by one of their directors.
Well ,Mr Dougal well done for your company ,do you always flog dead horses to the female side of life ,I am sure they will be laughing all the way to another company with their business,as for the colleague her husband must be rolling about the carpet tears streaming down his face at how gullible his wife was to walk away with this excuse ,surely this man is not a director of KMPG.
Re the name thing
Sevco fans want to be deluded on the name issue The MSM are encouraging them They are trying to brainwash the public into believing that Sevco founded 2012 are RFC founded 1899
However
Sevco desperately want recognition from other fans In their efforts to do so they are resorting once again to intimidation
Sevco and their loonies seem prepared to threaten people like the Falkirk announcer who do not give this recognition.This is a direct threat to free speech
Giving way to this intimidation will legitimate the “corruption through fear” we have seen in our governing bodies
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No matter what they do neither Sevco nor the MSM nor the governing bodies can make that recognition happen Only fans from other clubs can do that
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So
It might be more productive if fans simply reflect the truth in their everyday recognition of reality
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Drop the “Old Firm” tag from their conversation
Abandon all chants that referred to the club in liquidation Use “Sevco” in any new chants that they feel appropriate
It would only take a few years to enbed Sevco as the fans name for this new club who play at Ibrox
“We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate SEVCO too
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooooooou”
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Perhaps it’s time to construct a ready reckoner – the sort of thing you get in the Sunday Post – with the facts of the matter and why TRFC are not the same club as RFC(IA).
This could then be forwarded around all the sports desks, relevant journalists and editors of the MSM press, TV and radio, with a Bampot Request to stop the misinformation, please.
It would have to be in words of less than four syllables, mind. Except “liquidation”, “administration”, and possibly “tomfoolery”.
Remember, folks, soundbites rule. A five-page letter wouldn’t work. Neither would fifty bullet points. Short and factual.
Anyone?
Small itsy bitzy fact thing
Did 9 [Nine] Newcastle Players sign on loan for the Sevconians just before the transfer window closed? – or was that Billionaire ploy foiled by killer bees getting inside the computer just before midnight Friday at Ogilvie House c/o Suspended Censure House, Hampden Park?
I think we should be told
Bill @19.52.
Love it.
With the exception of BDO is there a legal challenge that can be brought to, once and for all, expose this myth and the downright lies currently being spouted?
Would fans of all clubs chip in to fund such a case?
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IndefiniteArticle says:
September 2, 2012 at 17:46
also beg the question why have journalists suddenly changed their minds?
All of them have now done a complete about turn on their statements that liquidation would mean the end of RFC’s history.
Is this because of interference at editor level or is it even higher than that.
The strange thing is that up to the “bog-it-tory” comment all and sundry were calling for the fans to starve the man, and the new club, of cash. Yet after that comment there was a sea change. The fans started buying tickets, the media stopped asking questions of the new kid on the block, and the “history intact” stance began to be peddled quicker than a Bradley Wiggins bike.
This whole business stinks as bad as the rotting corpse that is RFC.
Chas Green: “We are Rangers”
“We will always be Rangers”
Bystander: “Gonnae pay your taxes then?”
Chas Green: “Well we’re not THAT Rangers you see it was the holding company that went into administration that owed that money but you will all shortly be able to buy shares in the new club.”
Bystander: “Buy shares in the new club? Don’t you mean the new holding company?
You see I had shares in the old club that David Murray sold me and they are now worth bugger all!”
Chas Green: “You are one of these bogabigats that I’ve been telling everyone about.”
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
jw hardin on September 2, 2012 at 17:08
TBB is probably referring to the biggest coverup in football history.
If the SFA are found to be complicit in inappropriate registration of players in any report or independent investigation (of course it will never see the light of day) then it would in theory open the flood gates to the Court of Arbitration for Sport where other member nations/ clubs etc could seek legal redress for any such blatant and deliberate breach of the rules. Corruption??
In Scotland does ‘Not Proven’ still count?
justshatered says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:12
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
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“The directors of Rangers consider that the Rights Issue is in the best
interests of the Club and its shareholders as a whole.”
Thanks for that.
It is an interesting read.
Just think they actually had the audacity to mention a “Business Plan”.
Laugh………………………… I had to go for a lie down.
Hoopy 7 says:
September 2, 2012 at 18:47
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Ordinary Fan says:
September 2, 2012 at 18:18
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I have had many dealings with KPMG in another country and crass statement like that do this respected firm a great diservice.
As they say better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it.(my ediT0
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Hoopy…I must add, with a fair degree of sadness, that since the wordlwide accounting firm , formerly known by the combination of names of Peat/Marwick/Mitchell/McLintock, was subsumed into the beast that is KPMG, their former reputation, which was second to none, has been sullied to a tragic extent.
This has been the result, in my view of a degree of aggressive American empire building, particularly in the area of aggressive tax planning, with a particular emphasis on tax havens/secrecy jurisdictions (just ask Mitt Romney, who tweny years ago had never heard of the Cayman Islands!).
David Murray, as we all know now, was however, fully conversant with tax havens nearer to home, in the States of Jersey.
Sad rant over…but still relevant to RFC(IA)…!
Bill says:
September 2, 2012 at 19:52
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“We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate SEVCO too
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooooooou”
Bill….as my old friend Terry Wogan said in his show on Radio 2 on more than one occasion….”…hate is a very strong word…seldom to be used…”
I appreciate it may be only “banter” in the context of a harmless (?) football ditty, but I am sure the unpleasant aspects must overflow…and having lived in my native Glasgow for more than 30 years, I can certainly vouch for it!
“We hate Glasgow Celtic,
We hate Sevco too.
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooou! Baaaaaaaa!”
Fixed that for you, Bill.
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Never got to hear or watch the Scottish Football 4th tier match today ,I take it it was a sell out Sunday and all where in fine voice ,the truth please ,dont tell me a Dougal
Rather than we bampots continually proving that the club and company were one and the same, we should turn it round and ask the eejits to provide the proof that they were separate entities, (and by the way telling us “just because it is”, does not constitute proof)
Now that would be interesting 🙂
Stuart Dougal – we all know where he’s coming from with his married woman analogy.
He & his boss Blair Nimmo spend a lot of their time helping people phoenix businesses from the ashes of insolvency, leaving angry creditors behind. Why should we be surprised?
Dougal is of course the one who called for a 12 match ban for Neil Lennon for eyeballing him in 2005, and then agreed with Calum Murray that there was no threat from Bougherra or El Thug Diouf when they chased Murray all round Celtic Park and manhandled him 18 months ago.
“See what you want to see” – that was the Stuart Dougal motto. Scottish football took a turn for the better the day he took off his whistle and apron for the last time.
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September 2, 2012 at 20:21
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justshatered says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:12
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
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“The directors of Rangers consider that the Rights Issue is in the best
interests of the Club and its shareholders as a whole.”
What he was effectively saying was that Rangers FC, at that time, had exhausted all commercial lines of credit, no other financial institution would back them and that they were heading for the rocks.
The Rights Issue, effectively a request to existing shareholders to “bail out” the company/club (sic!), was a massive flop (Rangers supporters are not interested in investing in their company/club (see, did it again!).
Murray ( by way of his underwriters to the issue) was left with the unpleasant duty of making up the difference from his own pocket, albeit a corporate/HBOS one.
Surely the supporters of the SEVCO franchise will not fall for CG’s many financial half-truths?
Could an action be brought agaist the SFA under The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 paragraph 5 Misleading Actions which states 2 (a) if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful in relation to any of the matters in paragraph 4(Prohibition of the promotion of unfair commercial practices) or if it or its overall presentation deceives or is likely to deceive the average consumer in relation to any of the matters in that paragraph even if the information is factually correct: and
(b)it causes or is likely to cause the average customer to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.
As consumers we are being decieved as to the legal standing of Sevco by the SFA and we deserve to be told the truth or we have a choice dont buy the product,it would be intresting to hear from the legal minds if indeed the SFA can be brought to task under the law as i have described.
Hoopy 7@18.47: They really are a sad, cowardly, bunch of parasites. They don’t even have the decency to PRETEND to be impartial. Not a single one of them has an iota of decency. They care nothing for the game.
twopanda bears says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:10
Small itsy bitzy fact thing
Did 9 [Nine] Newcastle Players sign on loan for the Sevconians just before the transfer window closed? – or was that Billionaire ploy foiled by killer bees getting inside the computer just before midnight Friday at Ogilvie House c/o Suspended Censure House, Hampden Park?
I think we should be told
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Probably not,
According to someone on Rangers Rumours they were trying to sign this lot:
Rangers made unsuccessful attempts to sign Hearts captain Marius Zaliukas, fellow defender and free agent Andre Bikey , Genk forward Elyaniv Barda, DC United striker Hamdi Salihi and Cardiff City duo Dekel Keinan and Robert Earnshaw on transfer deadline day.
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September 2, 2012 at 20:41
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Never got to hear or watch the Scottish Football 4th tier match today ,I take it it was a sell out Sunday and all where in fine voice ,the truth please ,dont tell me a Dougal
And thus it shall come to pass into the vernacular of the RFC(IA) omnishambles…”….don’t tell me a Dougal…”
Even more free advertising for KPMG…almost as good as the product placement of their wretched infantile logo!
Doon the slope says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:38
“We hate Glasgow Celtic,
We hate Sevco too.
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love EWE!
I’ve fixed it also 😆
slimshady61 says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:48
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Stuart Dougal – we all know where he’s coming from with his married woman analogy.
“See what you want to see” – that was the Stuart Dougal motto. Scottish football took a turn for the better the day he took off his whistle and apron for the last time.
Said it before and I’ll say it again – the MSM are populated almost to a man by people who owe most of their existence and careers to Minty. Indeed many are “graduates” of the old Rankers News. Minty has been controlling things for the best part of two decades and not just in sports journalism – sure did he not try to get Alf Young the chop?
Despite what RTC used to say about Minty wanting out – I think in time we will see a continous line from Minty to Craigy to DumbX2 to Charlie.
Was told by a source close to the board at CFC that there was plenty still to come out over at the bigotdome! this could go on for years!
slimshady61 says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:48
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He is also the man who sent Charlie Mulgrew off in and Aberdeen Rangers game for “head butting” Kyle Lafferty.
The problem I have with that is that he either saw the incident, which clearly wasn’t a head butt. Or he didn’t see it in which case how could he give a player a straight red card.
There were only two options, and either makes him a cheat.
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
nowoldandgrumpy says: September 2, 2012 at 21:30
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
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And no challenge to that statement !! Shameless statement and shameless reporting.
The Invisible Line says:
September 2, 2012 at 10:01
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Currently…the silence is allowing the SFA the MSM and SEVCO to shape what SEVCO need…
If you allow the lies and dishonesty from the above collective to continue…then by logic you are part of the Machinations of what is going on…
It strikes me that the responses posted on here from Turnbull Hutton and an insider from the SFA…would suggest nothing is gonna happen any time soon…even tho…they agree it stinks from high heavens…
My only hope is that clubs are waiting to see how the finances pan out…and then go after the SFA…they are rotten to the core!
I’ve a lot of posts on here today about the silence of Celtic in this saga. Personally think that it’s a load of b@llocks, it is the collective silence of all the clubs that concern me. I actually respect Celtics silence due to their awkward position in the west of Scotland when it comes to Sevco.
As I stated it is up to the clubs to face up to the SFA and demand transparency, demand fairness, demand that they abide by the rules and demand radical change throughout the game. The club chairman need to work collectively, stand as one and say NO MORE. No more rule bending, no more lies, no more favouritism and a level playing field for everyone. Demand to see Documentation on 5 way deals, registrations, TV deals, Nimmo report and rest of the incriminating information that has been hidden.
The SFA exists because of the clubs. The SFA was formed and appointed as the governors and administrators of our game by the clubs. The clubs in turn exist because of us the fans. Therefore, ultimately the SFA exists and has directly, through the clubs a due care and responsibility to govern the game on behalf of the fans and the clubs. The SFA have completely lost sight of this simple, basic duty.
We need a collective effort by all chairman of the clubs in Scotland to confront these people and get things happening now. What we desperately need is a few chairmen with the intestinal fortitude to start things rolling and throwing a few grenades into the bunkers in Hampden. As fans, we need to push our clubs for action as much as we possibly can. We need to get our clubs to rub the SFA bosses noses in their own dirt, expose them, expose the corruption and give the game back to the fans of Scottish football.
The next two Scotland games are at Hampden. I would like to hear 50,000 fans shoutIng “Regan, Ogilvie OUT OUT OUT” all through the match. A good bit of fan discontent is very powerful motivation.
nowoldandgrumpy @ 21:30
Appealing yet again to the mob, with the “we are being unfairly treated” and the “we are being persecuted” rhetoric yet again
The man is a charlatan, whose version of reality is at odds with everyone else
One day, Sevco and this man will receive their just desserts, and I will not shed a tear
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nowoldandgrumpy says: September 2, 2012 at 21:30
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
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And no challenge to that statement !! Shameless statement and shameless reporting.
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Unless of course it was challenged and then edited out !
Iain McWhirter in the Sunday Herald today. this is a helpful comment from a non-sports journalist, just a pity that his fellow Sunday Herald journalists have been the biggest Sevco supporters 🙁
“what BBC Scotland actually produces, much of which is excellent. Its coverage of the Rangers financial scandal, for example, put much of the Scottish press to shame”
Maybe Iain as a political journalist could ask the politicians why their silence on £100M+ missing taxpayers money????
Still playing to the crowd and lying I see then Charles.
What fine is this your club didn’t pay, and how did it get you into SFL3. You have only ever been in SFL3 and that was breaking the rules to get you there.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:26
CG in an after match interview today
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Ah right – that’s why the country’s newest football club is in the Third Division … “for non-payment of a fine”.
That boy is seriously away with the faeries.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:30
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So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
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No idea, but… where there’s Chuck, there’s grass ?
The problem of being in charge of a company whose shares are listed, is that statements need to be made when actions are taken that have potential to affect the company’s share price. These statements have to be accurate and are recorded for posterity.
Rangers Football Club plc – Statement re: SFL Membership
Rangers Football Club plc – Newstrack Announcements – 09/10/97
The Rangers Football Club plc (“Rangers”) announced that it, along with all other members of the Premier Division of the Scottish Football League, will today withdraw the notice of their intention to resign as members of the Scottish Football League (“SFL”) submitted to the SFL on 8th September 1997 and submit in its place notice of their intention to retire as members of the SFL.
This course of action will be taken by Rangers and the other clubs in order that all members of the SFL may have the opportunity to vote on their intention to retire. To enable such a vote to take place, Rangers and the other clubs will, together with the submission of the notice of their intention to retire, also request that a General Meeting of the SFL be convened forthwith in order that all members of the SFL may vote on a resolution to accept Rangers’ and the other clubs’ retirement (subject to the conditions stated in such resolution) with such retirement taking effect at any time after the final league fixture of 1997/98 season or 1st July 1998, whichever is the earlier.
Rangers Football Club plc – Notice of Intention to Resign from SFL
Rangers Football Club plc – Newstrack Announcements – 08/09/97
The Rangers Football Club plc announces that it has entered into a co-operation agreement with all the other members of the Premier Division of the Scottish League pursuant to which they will, today, give notice of their intention to resign as a member of The Scottish Football League.
In this connection, the clubs have requested the Management Committee of the League to give its consent to a reduction in the notice period of resignation such that the notice period may expire at any time after the final League fixture of the 1997/98 season or 1 July 1998, whichever is the earlier.
The clubs have also agreed to form a company with a view to establishing a new separate football league in Scotland under the auspices of the Scottish Football Association.
Following an independent review, The Rangers Football Club plc and the other other clubs consider that the formation of such a football league will be to the benefit of its member clubs and the other football clubs in Scotland.
It seems that in 1997 there was no doubt that The Rangers Football Club plc IS the club.
Torreviaja Boy
We are way, way OT.
(But you might as well get hvng for a sheep as a lamb. SDM did.)
Agrajag says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:16
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Agreed, it all comes back to the “see what you want to see”. As Collina once said, “if a referee sees something and misinterprets it, that is acceptable; we are all human. But if he sees something that didn’t actually happen, that is not and never will be acceptable”
On the Celtic silence bit, that is the biggest non-story of all. Celtic said what had to be said when it needed to be said.
First of all, in the west of Scotland, careless talk costs lives, literally so in the case of several unfortunate Celtic supporters who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Secondly, if you don’t say anything, the MSM can’t twist it as they surely would have has Celtic said anything unnecessary regarding RFC(IA).
Peter Lawwell and Ian Bankier were absolutely spot on in their tactics.
I am not sure where the negative vibes came from, starting yesterday evening, regarding the attendance at Celtic Park on Saturday, but it was still the biggest in the UK yesterday and only 1,000 less than the corresponding fixture last year. It came just 3 days after 53,000 people had forked out to go to the Helsingborgs game and it coincided with the release of the prices for the upcoming CL matches which people will be saving up for.
The easy/lazy answer to falling attendances (although Celtic’s are hardly falling) is the product; but actually it’s the economy, stupid.
Many peoples’ jobs are at risk, or they have already lost their job; money is tight, benefits are being cut and the cost of living has risen alarmingly, including most notably fuel. A day out at a football match can be a real luxury for some in the present climate and many people have to pick and choose what matches they can attend.
None of this is ever mentioned by the MSM – it is simply the rash decision, forced on them by internet bampots, that chairmen made not to bend every single football rule that had ever been written to accommodate a brand new company which believes itself to be every bit as supremacist as its namesake.
No, the silence from Celtic was a green, white and golden silence; it was deafening and it was unmistakeable. The club with the most to lose financially stood high on the moral high ground and refused let fiscal expediency over-ride justice and fairness. That’s the Celtic way.
Silly question I know,
Has anyone here written to the editors asking why the questions aren’t being asked and copying ALL the other editors plus the press association plus the NUJ plus the journalism colleges plus us?
Is that Director of Janitorial Services because I heard him on the radio too and he knows hee haw about company law.
Ok, I’ll do it
slimshady61 says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:59
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Very well said; there have been several times where CFC statements have been taken out of context by the MSM and others, which literally aggravates the situation. In the current climate, treading carefully is the best policy for all concerned.
is this important
“This message has been generated in response to your request to monitor the
following company:
Company Name : THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB P.L.C.
Company Number: SC004276
The following form/document(s) have been filed for the above company and are
available to order from our Companies House WebCHeck service:
Document Type Form
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Liq Doc 2.20B(SC)
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If Celtic had spoken out then the story would have been about Celtic having it in for Rangers, and Celtic trying to hurt Rangers and Celtic getting involved in things which were none of their business.
The MSM would have loved Celtic to make comments. They could have started a nice wee war of words, poured petrol on the flames, and improved their circulation on the back of it. They could also have obfuscated and distracted from the real story. that would have been their out.
Agree with Essex Beancounter, how the mighty have fallen. Spoken in the interim to someone who knows Dougal. He was described as one of the biggest h*ns you will ever come across,not that that will come as a surprise.
It is one thing to be whatever you are in private but when you are part of a multinational firm with a reputation to uphold you should be more circumspect.
I am still convinced that the sh*tfest that is coming downstream will be like a tsunami which will swamp the Establishment and leave them no hiding place.
As long as the Rfc* fans are happy to believe the lies and halftruths then no one in the MSM will rock the boat and no one with a Blazer will cause them upset . They are a clique of cowards with a collective testicle count less than Hitler
ESPN commentator today “Elgin one of the newest members of the SFL, joined in 2000.”
I think he missed THE Rangers joined in 2012.
the taxman cometh says:
September 2, 2012 at 22:15
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:01
I don’t recall who started this holding company nonsense….
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The BBC are at it as well. A recent story on the McCoist and Green verdicts had this, ‘the company that previously ran Rangers entered administration in February with mounting liabilities’.
Agrajag says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:22
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He is simply using a deliberately poor (to say nothing of patronising) analogy.
Rangers were formed as a members club.
That same members club then became a limited company.
That limited company became a PLC.
It has been the same entity throughout.
Here’s the important bit, it still exists. It is in administration, awaiting liquidation, but the bottom line is it still exists. It still has shareholders who still own it.
Sevco, whatever it now calls itself, is an entirely separate legal entity.
All this talk of “holding companies” and the football club being a separate entity from them is just nonsense. Holding companies do exist, however they hold shares in other companies. Rangers FC PLC did not hold shares in “the football side” it was the football side.
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Agrajag…from the outset of this newclub/oldclub scenario, as a middle aged beancounter, I was totally convinced that there was no relationship whatsoever between the two separate legal entities, certainly from a point of view of company law.
Your splendidly illustrative post has allowed what is left of my brain to rationalise and see the blatant reality, particularly with regard to the “holding company” nonsense.
Many thanks for “lifting the veil” as the lecturers in company law would say…unless you are Mr Dougal of KPMG…!
Agrajag @ 16:13
He really should know better, although there is no indication of his actual expertise
I would like to think one of the partners would have a quiet word with him for spouting garbage, as it doesn’t reflect well on KPMG
Captain Haddock says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:08
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Jw hardin,
You’re right, if we keep at the analogy, if the woman had £70m debt on her credit card in her maiden name, then got married, she would still be liable for the debt.
Her husband would now also be jointly responsible too I think.
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Captain, I commend the analogy and whilst my grasp of legal matters is most basic, despite my tenth rate degree in law, albeit guid Scots law, I believe that a husband would only be liable for a wife’s debts incurred after marriage…at least that is the position in Englandshire.
I await the incoming….!
Test…What’s the Score with my posts? In moderation…no warnings. Please advise.
Essex beancounter,
You may be right, i’m sure though that the unfortunate mr might find his credit rating had gone for a burton
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:24
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I think Blair Nimmo is the Senior Partner in Scotland.
Ironically the man who was liquidator at Airdrie.
It’s a small World.
Dont’ know if this has been posted before. From Scottish Sun:
“SHAMED former Rangers owner Craig Whyte faces a £27million court showdown with finance firm Ticketus within a fortnight.”
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4516307/Gers-Whyte-in-27m-Ticketus-showdown.html
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:01
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The problem with people like Dougal is that they are actually given air time to perpetuate the Sevco = old club myth
Now if he really is an accountant, then he should know what the law says, and what the definition of a holding company is
Wiggy Smith is another who falls into the same category
I don’t recall who started this holding company nonsense, but it rapidly became the war cry of the poorly informed presstitutes, who used it to justify Sevco’s claims, and from there it found it’s way into the sub-consciousness of the gullible
In truth, RFC (IA) will be liquidated and will cease to be, with an entry against their name in the Companies House register of “dissolved”
Only Stooges Inc, the snakes that slither around Hampden, and the MSM will insist that they still exist
Their opinion is worthless, as time will eventually prove
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Campsiejoe…spot on in all aspects of your post.
I think the “holding company” tripe may have been something which emanated in the public perception from Mr C. Whyte forming “The Rangers Group Ltd” and it just snowballed from there, being trotted out as and when to suit.
Agrajag’s post above shoots this “holding company” myth well and trully down.
I only wish it could be “once and for all” but with the MSM “presstitutes”, this just will not be.
Essex Beancounter @ 16:38
What RFC stands for, means too much to people who have a degree of influence within Scottish society
The claims that Sevco = old club are not legally correct, but these individuals will not tolerate that reality, and will do their utmost to keep the traditions and philosophy they hold so dear alive, by trying to twist, distort and misrepresent the truth
A time will come though, when they will have to face the truth, and it could well be that the investigations yet to be completed will force them to confront reality
TheBlackKnight TBK says:
September 2, 2012 at 15:26
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Stuart Dougal is an ill-informed fudd!
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TBK…it is with a modicum of fear and apprehension that I dare to “cross swords” with you regarding your comments about a member of my esteemed (?) profession (so called!)
I would contend that this stalwart of the remaining rump of the supporters of RFC(IA) is fully aware of the true legal position regarding SEVCO and its associated franchise.
He is merely using, or should I say, abusing a position, granted gratuitously, by the MSM, to peddle what amounts to no more than propaganda along the Franz Josef Goebbels line of repeating the lie a thousand times until it is no longer a lie…!
So TBK, I will now retreat under “helmet and shield” (phew, I almost said “sword and shield”!) and await the full extent of your knightly but literary wrath!
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September 2, 2012 at 16:33
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Essex beancounter,
You may be right, i’m sure though that the unfortunate mr might find his credit rating had gone for a burton
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Captain…certainly would if he lived at the same address and was considered an “associated party” by the credit rating agencies, and certainly the one I use!
Best advice, ignore Mr Dougal and don’t get married!
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:50
Between the BDO civil investigation and the Police criminal investigation there is an awful lot still to come out of this. I am quite sure the two will overlap.
Do these people really think that they can fold a business owing £134m, not pay any tax for the best part of a year, abuse the tax system for years, make payments to people years after they have left their employment, give evidence to the Police and in Court which is wholly unreliable etc and simply walk away from it. (Perambulating pun intended).
Have to watch the Elgin game with sound turned down…….Craig burley spouts the biggest load of tosh I have ever heard in my life…….. Well maybe 2nd to jabba 🙂
Interesting post from the Battered Bunnet in CQN
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=10266#comments
“For clarity, the Scottish Football Association was formed in 1873 by agreement of 7 football clubs to the following motion: “The clubs here represented form themselves into an association for the promotion of football according to the rules of The Football Association”.
Among other interesting points of note, only one of the original subscribers to the association remains an active football club.
30 years later, in 1903, The Scottish Football Association incorporated as a company limited by guarantee, with a formal Memorandum and Articles of Association.
The SFA presents itself as the 2nd oldest football association in the world, having been founded in 1873.
Were the SFA Ltd to be dissolved, perhaps following some financial calamity or another, it would no longer exist.
Equally, it is foreeseeable that Scottish football clubs formerly members of the SFA, would form a new association to govern their game, and doubtless call it something like The Scottish Football Association Ltd.
It would be entirely feasible and in order for the Liquidators of old SFA to sell the intellectual property rights owned by the old association, including any and all brand names, copyrights and so on, to the new association, thus the new association could properly use the crest, moto and other properties of the old association should it so wish.
The legitimacy of this new assciation to govern the game would be demonstrated by the unanimous subscription of its member clubs, and ultimately its membership of FIFA. (The old associaiton’s membership of FIFA and the International Football Board would end on, or prior to, dissolution)
For all intents and purposes, despite having the same members as the old association, calling itself something very similar to the old association, and indeed using the crest and colours of the old association, the new association would be…. a new association, with a new constitution, new legal personality, and new legal relationships, the old association having been dissolved.”
Agrajag @ 16:57
Short answer – Yes
Essex beancounter,
That was the point i was trying to make, …the new partner of the high debt mrs, living at Ibrox, and who is actively promoting its association with the party with the debt, should really not be surprised that there might be unfortunate implications.
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 17:08
Agrajag @ 16:57
Short answer – Yes
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I suppose there has been little if anything to disillusion them of this notion … yet
Dougall was a ref. Impartial as ever in responding re Sevco. He is however fairly rrpresentative of those in out society charged eith ensuring fairness and compliance with rules in law and finance. Scary.
Why dont we have a look at what the MSM themselves had to say on this newclub question?
I found this via twitter: Very illuminating in regards to the MSM. What they say now and what they said then.
http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html
Has BDO been appointed by HMRC officially.
How is it possible that not ONE single Scottish sports journalist is not of the opinion that RFC Tribute Act are not RFC? How is that possible? I cannot believe that not one sports journo has a different opinion on this issue. NOT A SINGLE ONE!
Cowards or just a startling, bordering on miraculous coincidence?
There’s got to be a few journalists who won’t rock the boat for fear of the livelIhoods and ever their lives!
What a sad country Scotland has become 🙁
Ordinary Fan says:
September 2, 2012 at 18:18
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No it is not a miraculous coincidence it is a deliberate plot, as Essex Beancounter says it is
“propaganda along the Franz Josef Goebbels line of repeating the lie a thousand times until it is no longer a lie…!”
It breaths life into a monster which would otherwise die.
It perpetuates the myth, but never forget that it is a myth.
The MSM and the so called professionals like Stuart Dougal know this. I am surprised at someone at that level with KPMG would spout such nonsense. I have had many dealings with KPMG in another country and crass statement like that do this respected firm a great diservice.
As they say better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it.
For the avoidance of doubt, after over 35 years in Law and business, take it from me Rangers(IA) soon to be liquidated, are not the same as Sevco/”The Rangers”.
Oh how the knuckle draggers and the Establishment would wish it was so but it is not, not now, not ever!
stuart dougal given platform to promote pro “rangers” agenda.
shockeroonie…….
I know a few of the people who work at KPMG and they will be going into work on Monday with disguises in case they are recognised, after that statement by one of their directors.
Well ,Mr Dougal well done for your company ,do you always flog dead horses to the female side of life ,I am sure they will be laughing all the way to another company with their business,as for the colleague her husband must be rolling about the carpet tears streaming down his face at how gullible his wife was to walk away with this excuse ,surely this man is not a director of KMPG.
Re the name thing
Sevco fans want to be deluded on the name issue The MSM are encouraging them They are trying to brainwash the public into believing that Sevco founded 2012 are RFC founded 1899
However
Sevco desperately want recognition from other fans In their efforts to do so they are resorting once again to intimidation
Sevco and their loonies seem prepared to threaten people like the Falkirk announcer who do not give this recognition.This is a direct threat to free speech
Giving way to this intimidation will legitimate the “corruption through fear” we have seen in our governing bodies
But
No matter what they do neither Sevco nor the MSM nor the governing bodies can make that recognition happen Only fans from other clubs can do that
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So
It might be more productive if fans simply reflect the truth in their everyday recognition of reality
ie
Drop the “Old Firm” tag from their conversation
Abandon all chants that referred to the club in liquidation Use “Sevco” in any new chants that they feel appropriate
It would only take a few years to enbed Sevco as the fans name for this new club who play at Ibrox
“We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate SEVCO too
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooooooou”
😀
Perhaps it’s time to construct a ready reckoner – the sort of thing you get in the Sunday Post – with the facts of the matter and why TRFC are not the same club as RFC(IA).
This could then be forwarded around all the sports desks, relevant journalists and editors of the MSM press, TV and radio, with a Bampot Request to stop the misinformation, please.
It would have to be in words of less than four syllables, mind. Except “liquidation”, “administration”, and possibly “tomfoolery”.
Remember, folks, soundbites rule. A five-page letter wouldn’t work. Neither would fifty bullet points. Short and factual.
Anyone?
Small itsy bitzy fact thing
Did 9 [Nine] Newcastle Players sign on loan for the Sevconians just before the transfer window closed? – or was that Billionaire ploy foiled by killer bees getting inside the computer just before midnight Friday at Ogilvie House c/o Suspended Censure House, Hampden Park?
I think we should be told
Bill @19.52.
Love it.
With the exception of BDO is there a legal challenge that can be brought to, once and for all, expose this myth and the downright lies currently being spouted?
Would fans of all clubs chip in to fund such a case?
The quotes provided by
IndefiniteArticle says:
September 2, 2012 at 17:46
also beg the question why have journalists suddenly changed their minds?
All of them have now done a complete about turn on their statements that liquidation would mean the end of RFC’s history.
Is this because of interference at editor level or is it even higher than that.
The strange thing is that up to the “bog-it-tory” comment all and sundry were calling for the fans to starve the man, and the new club, of cash. Yet after that comment there was a sea change. The fans started buying tickets, the media stopped asking questions of the new kid on the block, and the “history intact” stance began to be peddled quicker than a Bradley Wiggins bike.
This whole business stinks as bad as the rotting corpse that is RFC.
Chas Green: “We are Rangers”
“We will always be Rangers”
Bystander: “Gonnae pay your taxes then?”
Chas Green: “Well we’re not THAT Rangers you see it was the holding company that went into administration that owed that money but you will all shortly be able to buy shares in the new club.”
Bystander: “Buy shares in the new club? Don’t you mean the new holding company?
You see I had shares in the old club that David Murray sold me and they are now worth bugger all!”
Chas Green: “You are one of these bogabigats that I’ve been telling everyone about.”
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
jw hardin on September 2, 2012 at 17:08
TBB is probably referring to the biggest coverup in football history.
If the SFA are found to be complicit in inappropriate registration of players in any report or independent investigation (of course it will never see the light of day) then it would in theory open the flood gates to the Court of Arbitration for Sport where other member nations/ clubs etc could seek legal redress for any such blatant and deliberate breach of the rules. Corruption??
In Scotland does ‘Not Proven’ still count?
justshatered says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:12
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
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“The directors of Rangers consider that the Rights Issue is in the best
interests of the Club and its shareholders as a whole.”
http://www.plus-sx.com/newsItem.html?newsId=905043
😉
Angus says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:21
Thanks for that.
It is an interesting read.
Just think they actually had the audacity to mention a “Business Plan”.
Laugh………………………… I had to go for a lie down.
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Ordinary Fan says:
September 2, 2012 at 18:18
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I have had many dealings with KPMG in another country and crass statement like that do this respected firm a great diservice.
As they say better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm it.(my ediT0
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Hoopy…I must add, with a fair degree of sadness, that since the wordlwide accounting firm , formerly known by the combination of names of Peat/Marwick/Mitchell/McLintock, was subsumed into the beast that is KPMG, their former reputation, which was second to none, has been sullied to a tragic extent.
This has been the result, in my view of a degree of aggressive American empire building, particularly in the area of aggressive tax planning, with a particular emphasis on tax havens/secrecy jurisdictions (just ask Mitt Romney, who tweny years ago had never heard of the Cayman Islands!).
David Murray, as we all know now, was however, fully conversant with tax havens nearer to home, in the States of Jersey.
Sad rant over…but still relevant to RFC(IA)…!
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“We hate Glasgow Celtic
We hate SEVCO too
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooooooou”
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Bill….as my old friend Terry Wogan said in his show on Radio 2 on more than one occasion….”…hate is a very strong word…seldom to be used…”
I appreciate it may be only “banter” in the context of a harmless (?) football ditty, but I am sure the unpleasant aspects must overflow…and having lived in my native Glasgow for more than 30 years, I can certainly vouch for it!
“We hate Glasgow Celtic,
We hate Sevco too.
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love yoooooou! Baaaaaaaa!”
Fixed that for you, Bill.
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Never got to hear or watch the Scottish Football 4th tier match today ,I take it it was a sell out Sunday and all where in fine voice ,the truth please ,dont tell me a Dougal
Rather than we bampots continually proving that the club and company were one and the same, we should turn it round and ask the eejits to provide the proof that they were separate entities, (and by the way telling us “just because it is”, does not constitute proof)
Now that would be interesting 🙂
Stuart Dougal – we all know where he’s coming from with his married woman analogy.
He & his boss Blair Nimmo spend a lot of their time helping people phoenix businesses from the ashes of insolvency, leaving angry creditors behind. Why should we be surprised?
Dougal is of course the one who called for a 12 match ban for Neil Lennon for eyeballing him in 2005, and then agreed with Calum Murray that there was no threat from Bougherra or El Thug Diouf when they chased Murray all round Celtic Park and manhandled him 18 months ago.
“See what you want to see” – that was the Stuart Dougal motto. Scottish football took a turn for the better the day he took off his whistle and apron for the last time.
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justshatered says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:12
Seriously can anyone dig out the prospectus that David Murray put out when he tried his last share issue?
That should tell us all exactly what everyone was buying shares in.
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“The directors of Rangers consider that the Rights Issue is in the best
interests of the Club and its shareholders as a whole.”
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Angus…the “…best interests of the club…”….indeed.
What he was effectively saying was that Rangers FC, at that time, had exhausted all commercial lines of credit, no other financial institution would back them and that they were heading for the rocks.
The Rights Issue, effectively a request to existing shareholders to “bail out” the company/club (sic!), was a massive flop (Rangers supporters are not interested in investing in their company/club (see, did it again!).
Murray ( by way of his underwriters to the issue) was left with the unpleasant duty of making up the difference from his own pocket, albeit a corporate/HBOS one.
Surely the supporters of the SEVCO franchise will not fall for CG’s many financial half-truths?
Could an action be brought agaist the SFA under The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 paragraph 5 Misleading Actions which states 2 (a) if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful in relation to any of the matters in paragraph 4(Prohibition of the promotion of unfair commercial practices) or if it or its overall presentation deceives or is likely to deceive the average consumer in relation to any of the matters in that paragraph even if the information is factually correct: and
(b)it causes or is likely to cause the average customer to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.
As consumers we are being decieved as to the legal standing of Sevco by the SFA and we deserve to be told the truth or we have a choice dont buy the product,it would be intresting to hear from the legal minds if indeed the SFA can be brought to task under the law as i have described.
Hoopy 7@18.47: They really are a sad, cowardly, bunch of parasites. They don’t even have the decency to PRETEND to be impartial. Not a single one of them has an iota of decency. They care nothing for the game.
twopanda bears says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:10
Small itsy bitzy fact thing
Did 9 [Nine] Newcastle Players sign on loan for the Sevconians just before the transfer window closed? – or was that Billionaire ploy foiled by killer bees getting inside the computer just before midnight Friday at Ogilvie House c/o Suspended Censure House, Hampden Park?
I think we should be told
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Probably not,
According to someone on Rangers Rumours they were trying to sign this lot:
Rangers made unsuccessful attempts to sign Hearts captain Marius Zaliukas, fellow defender and free agent Andre Bikey , Genk forward Elyaniv Barda, DC United striker Hamdi Salihi and Cardiff City duo Dekel Keinan and Robert Earnshaw on transfer deadline day.
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Never got to hear or watch the Scottish Football 4th tier match today ,I take it it was a sell out Sunday and all where in fine voice ,the truth please ,dont tell me a Dougal
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And thus it shall come to pass into the vernacular of the RFC(IA) omnishambles…”….don’t tell me a Dougal…”
Even more free advertising for KPMG…almost as good as the product placement of their wretched infantile logo!
Doon the slope says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:38
“We hate Glasgow Celtic,
We hate Sevco too.
We hate Dundee United
But Aberdeen we love EWE!
I’ve fixed it also 😆
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Stuart Dougal – we all know where he’s coming from with his married woman analogy.
“See what you want to see” – that was the Stuart Dougal motto. Scottish football took a turn for the better the day he took off his whistle and apron for the last time.
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Slim…”whistle and apron”…pure dead wicked!
Said it before and I’ll say it again – the MSM are populated almost to a man by people who owe most of their existence and careers to Minty. Indeed many are “graduates” of the old Rankers News. Minty has been controlling things for the best part of two decades and not just in sports journalism – sure did he not try to get Alf Young the chop?
Despite what RTC used to say about Minty wanting out – I think in time we will see a continous line from Minty to Craigy to DumbX2 to Charlie.
Was told by a source close to the board at CFC that there was plenty still to come out over at the bigotdome! this could go on for years!
slimshady61 says:
September 2, 2012 at 20:48
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He is also the man who sent Charlie Mulgrew off in and Aberdeen Rangers game for “head butting” Kyle Lafferty.
The problem I have with that is that he either saw the incident, which clearly wasn’t a head butt. Or he didn’t see it in which case how could he give a player a straight red card.
There were only two options, and either makes him a cheat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iUDg6JEo0
CG in an after match interview today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8XzE6cm3Ok4
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
nowoldandgrumpy says: September 2, 2012 at 21:30
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And no challenge to that statement !! Shameless statement and shameless reporting.
The Invisible Line says:
September 2, 2012 at 10:01
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Currently…the silence is allowing the SFA the MSM and SEVCO to shape what SEVCO need…
If you allow the lies and dishonesty from the above collective to continue…then by logic you are part of the Machinations of what is going on…
It strikes me that the responses posted on here from Turnbull Hutton and an insider from the SFA…would suggest nothing is gonna happen any time soon…even tho…they agree it stinks from high heavens…
My only hope is that clubs are waiting to see how the finances pan out…and then go after the SFA…they are rotten to the core!
I’ve a lot of posts on here today about the silence of Celtic in this saga. Personally think that it’s a load of b@llocks, it is the collective silence of all the clubs that concern me. I actually respect Celtics silence due to their awkward position in the west of Scotland when it comes to Sevco.
As I stated it is up to the clubs to face up to the SFA and demand transparency, demand fairness, demand that they abide by the rules and demand radical change throughout the game. The club chairman need to work collectively, stand as one and say NO MORE. No more rule bending, no more lies, no more favouritism and a level playing field for everyone. Demand to see Documentation on 5 way deals, registrations, TV deals, Nimmo report and rest of the incriminating information that has been hidden.
The SFA exists because of the clubs. The SFA was formed and appointed as the governors and administrators of our game by the clubs. The clubs in turn exist because of us the fans. Therefore, ultimately the SFA exists and has directly, through the clubs a due care and responsibility to govern the game on behalf of the fans and the clubs. The SFA have completely lost sight of this simple, basic duty.
We need a collective effort by all chairman of the clubs in Scotland to confront these people and get things happening now. What we desperately need is a few chairmen with the intestinal fortitude to start things rolling and throwing a few grenades into the bunkers in Hampden. As fans, we need to push our clubs for action as much as we possibly can. We need to get our clubs to rub the SFA bosses noses in their own dirt, expose them, expose the corruption and give the game back to the fans of Scottish football.
The next two Scotland games are at Hampden. I would like to hear 50,000 fans shoutIng “Regan, Ogilvie OUT OUT OUT” all through the match. A good bit of fan discontent is very powerful motivation.
nowoldandgrumpy @ 21:30
Appealing yet again to the mob, with the “we are being unfairly treated” and the “we are being persecuted” rhetoric yet again
The man is a charlatan, whose version of reality is at odds with everyone else
One day, Sevco and this man will receive their just desserts, and I will not shed a tear
Schneeb says: September 2, 2012 at 21:39 1 0 Rate This
nowoldandgrumpy says: September 2, 2012 at 21:30
So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
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And no challenge to that statement !! Shameless statement and shameless reporting.
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Unless of course it was challenged and then edited out !
Iain McWhirter in the Sunday Herald today. this is a helpful comment from a non-sports journalist, just a pity that his fellow Sunday Herald journalists have been the biggest Sevco supporters 🙁
“what BBC Scotland actually produces, much of which is excellent. Its coverage of the Rangers financial scandal, for example, put much of the Scottish press to shame”
Maybe Iain as a political journalist could ask the politicians why their silence on £100M+ missing taxpayers money????
Still playing to the crowd and lying I see then Charles.
What fine is this your club didn’t pay, and how did it get you into SFL3. You have only ever been in SFL3 and that was breaking the rules to get you there.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:26
CG in an after match interview today
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Ah right – that’s why the country’s newest football club is in the Third Division … “for non-payment of a fine”.
That boy is seriously away with the faeries.
nowoldandgrumpy says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:30
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So it was only through not paying a fine that Sevco are in Div3, what is this guy smoking?
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No idea, but… where there’s Chuck, there’s grass ?
The problem of being in charge of a company whose shares are listed, is that statements need to be made when actions are taken that have potential to affect the company’s share price. These statements have to be accurate and are recorded for posterity.
http://www.plus-sx.com/newsItem.html?newsId=904926
It seems that in 1997 there was no doubt that The Rangers Football Club plc IS the club.
Torreviaja Boy
We are way, way OT.
(But you might as well get hvng for a sheep as a lamb. SDM did.)
Agrajag says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:16
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Agreed, it all comes back to the “see what you want to see”. As Collina once said, “if a referee sees something and misinterprets it, that is acceptable; we are all human. But if he sees something that didn’t actually happen, that is not and never will be acceptable”
On the Celtic silence bit, that is the biggest non-story of all. Celtic said what had to be said when it needed to be said.
First of all, in the west of Scotland, careless talk costs lives, literally so in the case of several unfortunate Celtic supporters who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Secondly, if you don’t say anything, the MSM can’t twist it as they surely would have has Celtic said anything unnecessary regarding RFC(IA).
Peter Lawwell and Ian Bankier were absolutely spot on in their tactics.
I am not sure where the negative vibes came from, starting yesterday evening, regarding the attendance at Celtic Park on Saturday, but it was still the biggest in the UK yesterday and only 1,000 less than the corresponding fixture last year. It came just 3 days after 53,000 people had forked out to go to the Helsingborgs game and it coincided with the release of the prices for the upcoming CL matches which people will be saving up for.
The easy/lazy answer to falling attendances (although Celtic’s are hardly falling) is the product; but actually it’s the economy, stupid.
Many peoples’ jobs are at risk, or they have already lost their job; money is tight, benefits are being cut and the cost of living has risen alarmingly, including most notably fuel. A day out at a football match can be a real luxury for some in the present climate and many people have to pick and choose what matches they can attend.
None of this is ever mentioned by the MSM – it is simply the rash decision, forced on them by internet bampots, that chairmen made not to bend every single football rule that had ever been written to accommodate a brand new company which believes itself to be every bit as supremacist as its namesake.
No, the silence from Celtic was a green, white and golden silence; it was deafening and it was unmistakeable. The club with the most to lose financially stood high on the moral high ground and refused let fiscal expediency over-ride justice and fairness. That’s the Celtic way.
Silly question I know,
Has anyone here written to the editors asking why the questions aren’t being asked and copying ALL the other editors plus the press association plus the NUJ plus the journalism colleges plus us?
Agrajag says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:13
campsiejoe says:
September 2, 2012 at 16:01
Stuart Dougal is a Director at KPMG
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Is that Director of Janitorial Services because I heard him on the radio too and he knows hee haw about company law.
Ok, I’ll do it
slimshady61 says:
September 2, 2012 at 21:59
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Very well said; there have been several times where CFC statements have been taken out of context by the MSM and others, which literally aggravates the situation. In the current climate, treading carefully is the best policy for all concerned.
is this important
“This message has been generated in response to your request to monitor the
following company:
Company Name : THE RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB P.L.C.
Company Number: SC004276
The following form/document(s) have been filed for the above company and are
available to order from our Companies House WebCHeck service:
Document Type Form
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Liq Doc 2.20B(SC)
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If Celtic had spoken out then the story would have been about Celtic having it in for Rangers, and Celtic trying to hurt Rangers and Celtic getting involved in things which were none of their business.
The MSM would have loved Celtic to make comments. They could have started a nice wee war of words, poured petrol on the flames, and improved their circulation on the back of it. They could also have obfuscated and distracted from the real story. that would have been their out.
Agree with Essex Beancounter, how the mighty have fallen. Spoken in the interim to someone who knows Dougal. He was described as one of the biggest h*ns you will ever come across,not that that will come as a surprise.
It is one thing to be whatever you are in private but when you are part of a multinational firm with a reputation to uphold you should be more circumspect.
I am still convinced that the sh*tfest that is coming downstream will be like a tsunami which will swamp the Establishment and leave them no hiding place.
As long as the Rfc* fans are happy to believe the lies and halftruths then no one in the MSM will rock the boat and no one with a Blazer will cause them upset . They are a clique of cowards with a collective testicle count less than Hitler
ESPN commentator today “Elgin one of the newest members of the SFL, joined in 2000.”
I think he missed THE Rangers joined in 2012.
the taxman cometh says:
September 2, 2012 at 22:15
Liq Doc 2.20B(SC)
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Administrator’s progress report