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Roland Brown says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:33
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Worth a wee read.
“can you confirm the SFL did not seed Rangers in the League Cup draw because they are a new club?” (By the Way he is waiting on clarification from the SFL)
I expect that the Gadarene Swines will see this as another fly kick and insist that the round be redrawn with Whitstheirname being seeded ……. well, it may depend on how well they get on against ‘Well.
Allyjambo Taxpayer says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:44
No worries, as I remembered it was an image rights issue with Arsenal but if that’s wrong my apologies. Thanks for clearing it up.
Why is the Motherwell manager still in a job. Today he has said that Sevco are favourites for their cup tie. They have better quality players than most of the SPL teams and despite the fact that Motherwell are top of the SPL, Sevco would be a good bookies tip.
Why do the Motherwell fans stand for this?
StevieBC says:
September 4, 2012 at 20:00
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Nawlite says:
September 4, 2012 at 19:12
If you are not getting a response from the SFA it is time to write to your MSP and the Sports Minister. SFA get £10m of tax payers money so a little courtesy (please get tae) from them should be the least you expect.
I think the targets are the wrong ones for email questions, as we all know they are being bounced into viperspace as soon as they arrive in the snake pit of the SFA or the Scottish MSM,the sights should be raised to go over their heads ,target UEFA and FIFA daily with these email questions and I am sure if they are sent to a wider audience at these places someone will crack and want it sorted,as for the msm London and abroad like the German and French press ,along with any others will soon get upset if this was to keep going for ,say 6 months ,longer maybe,worth a try ,all we need is the addresses and we are off.
iki says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:54
Roland Brown says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:33
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Worth a wee read.
“can you confirm the SFL did not seed Rangers in the League Cup draw because they are a new club?” (By the Way he is waiting on clarification from the SFL)
I expect that the Gadarene Swines will see this as another fly kick and insist that the round be redrawn with Whitstheirname being seeded ……. well, it may depend on how well they get on against ‘Well.
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What’s more, if Green genuinely believed he had a case to claim they truly are a continuation of Rangers Football CLUB, he could have cemented it (to some extent) by successfully claiming they should be seeded in the League Cup. Of course, to challenge this he might well have had to go to court, whether the Court of Session or the Court of Arbitration in Sport, which would undoubtedly have led to his undoing. I suppose, if we ever get an answer to this question, we will just be given more lies and excuses, further pointing to the incompetence of our football administrators.
Wouldn’t it be oh so sweet if Green, through his love of stirring it, started another attack on the administrators over this and, because of his stupidity, backed the SFL into a situation where they had to say that The Rangers FC ARE a new club 🙂
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:01
No need to apologise, AJ. Whether I am right, or you, is of little consequence as Arsenal sorted it out in short order, making it completely different to the Rangers’ tax case.
Re previous posts re Arsenal and tax bills.
They did have an EBT problem in the early 2000s, but volunteered the info to HMRC, then settled the resultant bill. including penalties. As for image rights, Arsenal were one of 15 EPL clubs targetted by HMRC in 2010 approx. This was supervised by the English FA and all resultant tax bills, which were relatively small beer, have also been settled in full. Comprehensive instructions re future tax treatment were also given, so as to avoid any further “problems”.
Image rights payments are in vogue today as they seem to be at the root of the problem between Real Madrid and Cristiano Ronaldo. RM (sorry about this particular abbreviation) take the view that all players must cede individual image rights to the club, which can be particularly swingeing for someone with Ronaldo’s potential earning capacity.
When Government Public Enquiries are initiated, it’s usually because it is in the interest of The Public.
In my opinion, there are 130,000,000 public reasons why OUR Wee Parliament should start initiating such a Public Enquiry into this scandal.
Public money has been sucked into the pockets of dubious individuals involved with a now discredited football club. That Public money will never be seen again !
The so-called CEO’s of the 2 footballing bodies that administrated over that now discredited football club have been implicit in covering up their demise, and have also been complicit in their remarkable Rise from the Ashes.
My problem is that there is no straight separation in the timeline ! No cutting of the umbilical cord, so to speak !
It appears to me that rangers are still rangers. It also appears to me that the scavengers are still hanging around in the background, i.e. the same scavengers that were there not so long ago.
Some people are making Lottery Winning Sum’s from this debacle, and laughing at us all.
My question is, Is there no one in Public Authority, like an MSP for example, who can take this forward and lance it now ! MSP’s are usually jumping up and down when Public money is de-frauded ! Their silence is golden here !
If The FTTT finds against rangers, that to me would be good justification to hold a Public Enquiry.
You don’t bend over backwards, like Reagan & Doncaster, Salmond, etc, just because Scotland couldn’t do without some form of rangers still living. Rules are not about that. You can’t just bend them to suit yourself !
Apply the rules properly. SFA, SPL, SFL, Scottish Parliament, take note !
In fact, SFA & SPL, please resign en-masse and give Turnbull Hutton a chance to sort this game out. If not en-masse, then at least lets see Reagan & Doncaster walk !
We’re all being led down the garden path with these jokers !
I really don’t have any enthusiasm for this Saturday’s World Cup match, unlike previous games. This Summer has definately dampened my love of our National Game !
I bet I’m not the only one ?
Does anyone know how to set up and run a wee billboard media campaign? One or two (not so) cryptic questions on billboards in the next fortnight (aye right) prior to the FTT result, might raise the profile of the result and the reason why they cannot be considerd the same club.
Very much off topic but rereading the last blog by RTC i recall that gavin rae had his mobile phone stolen or cloned while he was at rangers. Does anyone have a link to the story?
Thanks
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:45
chancer67 @ 21:36
What we really need is access to the MSM…is crucial, and like most people, I have no idea how to achieve it at the moment
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As the SFA ignores emails, could we all email media contacts instead ?
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Any petition/action this week would probably get lost in the noise/reporting of the game itself.
What about after the game, suggesting that football fans may want to voice their concerns via emails to all media contacts, to elicit a response from them, because the SFA ignores our emails.
TSFM could perhaps (?) have a user-friendly, formatted list of ‘External Contacts’, whereby anyone could simply copy and paste one continuous list of email addresses into the ‘Send To’ box of their own email to be sent. [Minimal effort required to reach a lot of relevant contacts, simultaneously.]
Perhaps the content of the email could be left up to the individual, e.g. on behalf of Scottish football supporters, could you ask Regan/Ogilvie the following question(s)…
If a large enough number of people decided to send their emails – coincidentally – on the same day, then some MSM ‘journalists’ might acknowledge/report that there are strong feelings across Scotland about the SFA – and that the SFA is failing to answer the fans’ queries.
Some of the MSM may even ask the SFA a question or two.
It’s a long shot…
Alex Cox says:
September 4, 2012 at 16:02
The FOI angle may be that they arfe in receipt of substantial amounts of Scottish Government and European Parliament grants which come from our taxes ❗
yes an email list would be very helpful
also do text into Sportsound when the programme is on 80295 – they can’t ignore all our questions.
and keep emailing Scottish Government Ministers – they can only hide for so long before having to respond to emails scottish.ministers@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
we are getting through, albeit slowly, journalists are putting more and more caveats into their own words just in case Murray=Whyte=Green
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:25
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smallteaser says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:05
Maybe he’s trying to divert attention away from the fact that they ran the same scheme at one time.
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No they didn’t, from memory they had a tax issue with regard image rights. They paid the tax and penalties and settled the matter.
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Agra, it was EBT’s and they did have the money held in an account to pay when challenged by HMRC.
I was pointing out, however, that Arsenal know this, but chose to insinuate that Rangers had spent more than their means rather than quote that they had went bust due to tax evasion.
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:45
chancer67 @ 21:36
What we really need is access to the MSM, in the same way as all of the Sevco apologists
We can get petitions and trends going, but without that access, you are right that we will be a talking shop
MSM access is crucial, and like most people, I have no idea how to achieve it at the moment
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Just a thought, but is Stuart Cosgrove not a High Heid Yin with Channel 4 ? Alex Thomson is also a Channel 4 Journalist as well.
Maybe Stuart could be just the guy to arrange a debate on National TV ?
Just a thought !
droid says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:46
Alex Cox says:
September 4, 2012 at 16:02
The FOI angle may be that they arfe in receipt of substantial amounts of Scottish Government and European Parliament grants which come from our taxes
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They have to be a public authority as listed in schedule 1 to the act to be covered though.
I’m afraid freedom of information is often misunderstood. As is “in the public interest”, which is misinterpreted as “of interest to the public”.
Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information.
It’sagoal! says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:47
..’also do text into Sportsound when the programme is on 80295 – they can’t ignore all our questions…’
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They’ve ignored all mine for months! 🙂
smallteaser says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:48
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Fair do’s my mistake.
Lets look at the positives
The team playing at Ibrox is in the 4th tier of Scottish football
They are owned by a shyster intent on ripping them of their wealth (again)
They are managed by the clown Ally McCoistard
The Laptop loyal have exposed themselves as lickspittles
The SFA/SPL/SFL have exposed themselves of favouritism
They are not allowed to compete in Europe
They are not allowed to buy any players
The team known as Rfc will be liquidated
The FTT has still to deliver its verdict which if positive will label them as cheats
The dual contract issue cannot be denied on a positive FTT outcome
Their titles will have to be revoked
The police/fraud squad are investigating them
Ticketus are still hanging around looking for £24m
The proposed share issue is likely to fail in the current economic climate
The liquidators can throw Greens takeover out
Every other club in Scotland now despises them
A book exposing their wrongdoings is racing up the bestsellers list
We still have nuclear revelations to be revealed fully
They couldnae beat Peterhead or Berwick
Its not all doom and gloom
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
Flocculent Apoidea says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:10
Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
Re your e-mail. The Scottish Football League has accepted Rangers as an Associate member. The Scottish Football Association membership of Rangers FC was transferred from Rangers Football Club PLC (in Administration) (“Oldco”) to Sevco Scotland Limited (now called The Rangers Football Club Limited) (“Newco”) in terms of Article 14 of the Scottish FA’s Articles of Association and, therefore, it is entirely appropriate for the Scottish Football League to represent Rangers in this manner.
Regards,
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The amazing thing is that as the SFL statement says they granted associate membership to a club which did not exist till the end of July on the 13th July!! :-
“Friday 13th July 2012
The Member Clubs of The Scottish Football League have today voted to willingly accept The Rangers Football Club as an Associate Member of The Scottish Football League.”
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 20:37
Wow…reverse that back up a notch…I do not and never have read that rag…but did they really say the following?
“Yesterday that rag reports that Sevco threatened to ban them from Ibrox, if they run the PMG serialisation”…
Is this what we are really seeing….Charles Green and SEVCO now decide what papers print and don’t print?…and the threat is not being allowed into IBROX?…REALLY…access to Ibrox is what matters most?
As I’ve said….the people running the show…from SEVCO…the SFA (with their ex-Rangers season ticket holders and employees) and the various Rangers supporting MSM players…
Is it any real wonder that no one….absolutley no one will step outside the circle of secrecy and deception…from the collective above who are in sole control of the whole situation…
No one will be interviewed who is not within the circle…the circle control what is printed….what is asked…who is asked…and no challenge will be offered to any lie or falsehood that is presented…no compromising connections except at the most secret point. But it must succeed. No matter how much it costs the perpetrators must be on the winning side and never be subject to challenge for anything by anyone. That is a coup d’Ètat.
And still those outside the circle remain silent….WHY?
timtim says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:57
Good post, but……a wee point of order.
They ARE allowed to buy players – in fact, they were given an special advantage, in that, they were allowed to buy a player after the deadline when all the other honest teams were barred from signing players.
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose…. http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
“Its Hamilton Academical!”
Thanks, accie80.
Or should that be ‘acie80’ ?
I’m confused.
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Yes, you’re right to make the distinction.( And I know that your observation is not made either to defend or support him)
But in this case, which does not not involve national security, or the ‘Official secrets Act’, or highly sensitive commercial information, blah blah blah, one wonders exactly why the bold Alex is being so uncharacteristically coy!
What might he have said to HMRC that could conceivably be interpreted as being AGAINST the public interest ?
Might he, perhaps, have made an overtly partisan effort to protect the club favoured by a powerful voting block?
Might it be the case that publication of that effort might cost him the votes of that significant part of the electorate who see that favoured club as the fraud and cheat that it has been and totally undeserving of any special pleading?
We will not know for thirty years or so ( those of you young enough, mark your diaries now).
But even that unknowingness has already cost him votes.
Of course, as a clever man, he will ,quite cynically, have worked out that he can afford that loss, so significant is the power group he has chosen to defend and protect.
But, prudently, he will not take any risk of increasing that loss, hence the refusal to make public the details of his ‘intervention’.
Nobody in authority wants to ask even then most basic of questions, even to feign interest in this blatant corruption and collusion. Because once someone pulls the smallest little thread of truth, the entire scandal is likely to unravel. Nobody who lives and works in Scotland wants to be held responsible by the Establishment or their angry, delusional and dangerous hordes. The reality is speaking out, even the slightest probing question, is a genuine risk to peoples safety. Sadly this is what the country has been like for decades. This was a chance to move out of that cycle, that chance is very nearly gone.
Webster: 23:19.
Do you mean:
Gerry McCulloch
@gerrymcculloch1
Presenter, Broadcast Journalist, Event Host, Pianist & Singer. Also known as ‘Gerry fae the telly’ or ‘that guy that does the weather on STV!’ – which I dont.
Cause if it’s “McNee” I’m listening!! ;
jockybhoy says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:20
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose…. http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
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Thanks jockeybhoy,
Me for a start ! Walked right past the paper’s in ASDA today, didn’t buy one at all. especially the DR. Couldn’t even tell you their front page headlines.
Know what, I haven’t missed it. Have actually benefited from the old Blood Pressure not being raised by the propaganda I used to read daily.
And I saved 40p !
The £2 I now save a week will be put towards buying RTC’s new book when it comes out.
Message to The Scottish Sun and The Daily Record :
“Will the last person leaving please turn the lights off please !”
Goodnight !
Webster says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:19
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For a second there I thought I was reading a Monty Python sketch!
Hi guys, I must admit I haven’t checked in here in a while.
It seems that the last day or so’s discussion is primarily centered around Rangers/Sevco fans mobilising and contacting en masse a major Daily publication regarding the serialisation of Phil Mac’s soon so be released book.
This apparently is some kind of bullying and intimidation tactic from those involved.
And, at the same time, I read that we here on TSFM are about to be given lists on email contact details, to contact, en masse, members of the MSM and other bodies, to complain about various offences. Most linked to the previous groups contact.
Please forgive me here, but I’m struggling to see any difference. I assume the Rangers fans contact was threatening and offensive (the “evidence” being “that’s what they’re like”) and the TSFM’s contact is actually much more insightful?
I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as “scum”.
Hmmmm..
The ethos of this Blog, as far as I am aware, was that fans of all clubs – including the club that the vast majority of posters hate (for good reason, no doubt, and that is their right) – were able to come here and discuss, in an adult fashion, what has gone on within the heart of the SFA, Rangers, SPL and the wider gamut of Scottish Football. But you will never engage ALL fans of Scottish Football with way the comments on this blog are going.
So, I’m out.
I wish everyone the best of health and that at the end of the day everyone is satisfied. But, let’s face it, that ain’t gonna happen for either “Side” Lol.
Anyway, before I go, a couple of things.
1. Phil Mac’s serialisation should have run in the Sun (although why he chose this particular conduit is another story). I, personally, find some of his stuff offensive, but this is about his book. If Rangers fans aren’t happy with it, they need to read it and offer up arguments as to where and when Phil Mac is wrong. Burying one’s head in the sand will not make the biggest story and scandal to hit Scottish Football go away. Rangers fans have to learn from this too.
2. Eh, that’s actually it! Enjoy.
CW says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:39
‘..The £2 I now save a week will be put towards buying RTC’s new book when it comes out…’
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Good man, yourself. And I am not RTC!
john clarke says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:28
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Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Of course, as a clever man, he will ,quite cynically, have worked out that he can afford that loss, so significant is the power group he has chosen to defend and protect.
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If Salmond (a clever man, I agree) thinks that he can win votes for the SNP by sucking up to the supporters of RFC, then he has, in my opinion, made a monumental miscalculation. There is absolutely nothing for the SNP in the “Rangers” vote. Please try to understand, Mr Salmond- they are Unionists, first, last and always. There is nothing for you there. If you have compromised the integrity of your cause and your party to seek favour with them (and I strongly suspect that you have), then you may be clever, but you are also also a fool.
As I have posted before, I am secure in my knowledge that one can hold the opinion that the current Rangers are the same as the old Rangers, so long as one ignores the law and football rules. I have no problem with anyone doing so, but they must recognise that they ignore the law and the football rules to have any credibility.
The Glen! (above)
“Burying one’s head in the sand will not make the biggest story and scandal to hit Scottish Football go away. Rangers fans have to learn from this too.”
T-shirt!? A big yin obviously! ;
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘..Please forgive me here, but I’m struggling to see any difference. I assume the Rangers fans contact was threatening and offensive (the “evidence” being “that’s what they’re like”) and the TSFM’s contact is actually much more insightful?’
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Perhaps because your nom-de-plume strikes a wonderfully warm chord of connection with all that I hold dearest ( my mum went to school in Glen), I can see and appreciate your Ciceronian approach.
However, I submit that the cases are quite different.
TSFM’s interest is in encouraging Scottish football supporters to demand that the MSM begin to ask, like newspapers and radio journalists are supposed to do, questions of themselves about the ‘facts’ that they are reporting, not in getting them to be silent!
Per contra, the storm of abusive and threatening emails and phone calls made to the ‘Sun’ had one objective only: to prevent further publication of somebody’s views.
The provision of details of contact points-email addresses, phone numbers- is not quite the same as an orchestrated , and intimidatory, ‘do not publish or else’ campaign.
And do not, on any account, discontinue your interest in the blog. Partisanship is entirely acceptable, provided that there is a general readiness ( as I think, in the main, there is on this blog) to try to establish and recognise facts.
Thanks for the thought mate but there are two LTLs on this board, the other one is the one who posted the FOI stuff and deserves all of the plaudits for doing so because that post is just about the best thing that’s been posted on here or on RTC for months.
FYI, I post with small letters in my user name and the other guy posts with capitals or big letters in his, quiet apt really.
Cheers.
john clarke says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:28
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Yes, you’re right to make the distinction.( And I know that your observation is not made either to defend or support him)
But in this case, which does not not involve national security, or the ‘Official secrets Act’, or highly sensitive commercial information, blah blah blah, one wonders exactly why the bold Alex is being so uncharacteristically coy!
What might he have said to HMRC that could conceivably be interpreted as being AGAINST the public interest ?
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You are absolutely correct, I am defending neither him, the particular scenario, or the concept of “in the public interest”. I actually find the latter profoundly patronising, whilst ironically also understanding it. The real World is rarely black and white.
I hear what you are saying, but again the point has to be made. It’s not about what he said being in the public interest, it’s about whether or not releasing the details is in the public interest.
My opinion, he made a fanny of himself and it would not be in the public interest to advertise the fact that the First Minister did that. Being non-partisan one can understand that.
In my opinion (and nothing more than that) he tried to influence HMRC re Rangers and was given short shrift. Basically he was told to feck off and mind his own business. It would not reflect well on him, or the Westminster Government to advertise that. It would not be in the public interest, no matter how interesting it would have been to the public.
I remain as ever your most humble and obedient servant
Sir Humphrey.
Phil’s stuff (The Incubator) is nothing compared to this clown’s.
I can see exactly where you are coming from, but this blog needs you, and people like you, to give it balance. Without that balance, where are we? To have any chance of a better future, Scottish football needs people like you to contribute to a reasoned debate. There is no other forum where that debate can take place. We need to keep this Blog going- and it’s not just about RFC/Sevco.
This forum is about Scottish football and its future. Clearly the past must be dealt with- that is what justice demands, and it is our duty, and the duty of every Scot, to try to ensure that justice prevails. Because a society without justice is not a society at all, just a bunch of warring factions.
For the future, we need to ensure that we build something better, for the good of Scottish football in its entirety, top to bottom and bottom to top. The last 15 years have been an unmitigated disaster for Scottish football, in my opinion. Maybe some will disagree? If so, please list the benefits?
Anyway, Glen, please stay, and sorry I got diverted on to a trademark rant- old age I’m afraid.
Agrajag says:
September 5, 2012 at 00:27
‘..I remain as ever your most humble and obedient servant
Sir Humphrey.’
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“Sir Humphrey, thank you.
I am most grateful to have your considered opinion, with which, broadly and in the round, give or take the odd caveat, and keeping in mind all the multifarious circumstances each one of which on its own might throw an entirely new perspective -and justifiably so- on any or all of the scenarios elaborated in previous discussions, I would go so far as to indicate, if that is not too strong a word, that I am beginning to lean towards possibly accepting as approximating a version of the truth with which, all other things being equal, I might conceivably be ready to contemplate accepting as possibly corresponding to metaphysical reality.
It was amusing of you to show evidence of how much you enjoyed your temporary posting to the U.S.A by adopting the American usage of ‘fanny’ to mean ‘ass’.
But, I remember now that you are from the ‘Celtic fringe’! And when you use the word ‘fanny’
it is not in the American sense of ‘ass’, but in the ( perhaps Glaswegian, but possibly generally Scottish/British ) sense of c..t !
I am no linguistic expert, of course, but describing First Minister as having made a c..t of himself as opposed to a mere arse has a certain earthy resonance that I savour.
I shall have a word in Cabinet about the ambassadorship.
Yours ever,
Rogered at eton “
This is it then, Phill’s book goes to number one, everyone who reads it wants to know what this is all about. Those that read the book cannot believe the tardiness? of the First Minister, SFA, Police, HMRC, Lord Hodge, MSM, etc. Downing Street are dragged into the morass. The taxpayer is stiffed for millions and millions and yet all the above draw their salary and do nothing. This is the biggest scandal in modern Scottish history.
This is it then, Phill’s book goes to number one, everyone who reads it wants to know what it’s all about. Those that read the book cannot believe the tardiness? of the First Minister, SFA, Police, HMRC, Lord Hodge, MSM, etc. Downing Street are dragged into the morass. The taxpayer is stiffed for millions and millions and yet all the above draw their salary and do nothing. This is the biggest scandal in modern Scottish history.
longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 00:30
Phil’s stuff (The Incubator) is nothing compared to this clown’s.
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I despise The Sun and all it represents. I welcome free speech and thought.
I embrace diversity of culture and belief. I Iove football and support Celtic.
I cant read Phil Mac’s Incubator article without feeling sick. Such rancid, racist
bile depresses me.
I dont think these views are inconsistent.
Yer man has many worthwhile points to make, but on this one I strongly disagree.
Not in my name.
You can make up your own mind on this tweet. Myself I am not sure and I think the SFL rule of signing by 5pm is wrong.
Shauny @ShaunGibson1888
The Templeton lie (Or so I am told) http://wp.me/p2I8Dh-mr via @ShaunGibson1888 3 Edits later I think I have it all. If true I only seek truth
accies80(Harri159) says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:04
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
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What is so important about a name of a club?
Have we learnt nothing?
We have discovered this summer you can call yourself whatever you want – it makes no odds.
Unless its an announcer having a joke against Sevco – only then is a name important – and in this case you can put a photo and address on the website and threaten and insult him and his family without recourse or care.
Rumour has it Montrose are changing their name to The Real Madrid and will play in white at the Bernabeu Links Park………..and will claim to be the biggest and most successful club in Scotland complete with an array of stars for all the history they have paid the owner of the Montrose Tapas Bar.
All we need is Elgin to buy Barcelona’s history and rename themselves and we will have our very own El Classico. 🙂 Maybe El Buckfasto 🙂
It may sound stupid – but is that any more stupid than the reality of having a defunct club jetison debt of 130 million quid and still be around apparently bragging about being debt free?
Clowns ,the lot of them ,if they thought Phil M book was going to be bad for them ,it is only the Trojan horse to the RTC book hitting the streets ,I expect there will be a few people wanting to write the foreword for this ,trying to redeem themselves ,well they can fvck off back into the cesspit they have chosen to share with the rest of the snakes,when this book hits Amazon will pay its taxes,just through fear.
Stunney 3.16
Falkirk re rangers money allowing him to sign rather than sell ,creep,if he told the truth he would be like Green and calling it ,if their fans had filled ibrox on the night that they said they would ,we could have brought in more players,they have cheated us out of £150k,they do,do walking away
Fixed that for the Herald
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as “scum”.
Hmmmm..
The ethos of this Blog, as far as I am aware, was that fans of all clubs – including the club that the vast majority of posters hate (for good reason, no doubt, and that is their right) – were able to come here and discuss, in an adult fashion, what has gone on within the heart of the SFA, Rangers, SPL and the wider gamut of Scottish Football. But you will never engage ALL fans of Scottish Football with way the comments on this blog are going.’
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I think you should stick around The Glen. We don’t want another voice of reason to leave the room. I totally agree that allowing the language of hate on here undermines the blog’s credentials. It’s more than tiresome, and posts referring to, ‘Well, look at what the other lot say’, don’t wash. You either take the high moral ground and stay there, or you get off and jump back into the gutter. This blog will never achieve respect or standing in the media if it allows itself to be used as a scratchpad for people’s personal rage.
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
Can anyone please explain, just exactly what complaints Sevco supporters have with the SFA/SPL/SFL ?
From what I have seen each of these bodies has bent over backwards to accommodate their new club
Is it correct that new signings cant play if they signed after 5pm on deadline day.
Rab, 5pm was the deadline for SPL fixtures that weekend.
TheGamesABogey.
Thanks, i picked it up from an earlier link to a blog regarding templetons signing and it was stated there that it was an sfl rule also, just thought i would seek clarification before i warmed up my email finger. 😀
Very intrigued by the Stepane Grappelli post. Sorry,.SG, no clue from me, just wish to draw attention to it.
Is there some moderation taking place at the moment, posted 5 mins ago now missing!!!
“SFL clubs wishing to sign a player to play this coming weekend will require to have all paperwork lodged and completed by midnight.”
It is strongly rumoured that Templeton did not sign by midnight.
This has already been flagged up as a double SFA failure. I think we can add a third to that list.
1. Not registered prior to transfer window deadline.
2. Signed after transfer embargo had started.
3. Played that weekend.
SFA FAIL x 3.
The Glen / Danish/ Sepia and others.
Thank you
This site will get properly on track when it realises that it is not and should never be an anti Rangers site.
Its anti dishonesty and is about integrity and fairness, (or rather the lack of it) in governance of companies and institutions like the SFA, SFL, and SPL, our media and in our parliaments (all parties).
In my view Rangers FC, their fans and all of us too have been victims.
Victims of an industrial sized ego, with an ambition he didn’t have the money to fulfill.
Victims of the “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” inevitability that saw him get away with it.
Victims of a “tax removal / phoenix company” plan that went disastrously wrong
Its a profoundly corrupt business tale that shames our country and there are no winners anywhere -so if its jelly and ice cream moments, or interweb gloating or sneaky wee personal put-downs or whatever I think there are better sites to find satisfaction.
When we stick to the detail we are a powerful force for change, when we make snide gossipy comments about individuals then we miss the mark.
I’d like to see us focus on making sure the right questions are asked because that is what we’ve done well. And detail and analysis makes us superior to the churnalism that we are competing with.
I’d like to see a stop to the stage managed delays and I’m hopeful of a clear out of the administrators who have contrived to make everything worse.
Ordinary Fan says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:30
Nobody in authority wants to ask even then most basic of questions, even to feign interest in this blatant corruption and collusion. Because once someone pulls the smallest little thread of truth, the entire scandal is likely to unravel. Nobody who lives and works in Scotland wants to be held responsible by the Establishment or their angry, delusional and dangerous hordes. The reality is speaking out, even the slightest probing question, is a genuine risk to peoples safety. Sadly this is what the country has been like for decades. This was a chance to move out of that cycle, that chance is very nearly gone.
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Thank you for putting so eloquently and precisely the real essence of what is to be found at the heart of this disgraceful episode of fraud, deception and triumphalist success at all costs. For weeks I have been travelling along the same thought path as that which you follow in your article. The turning of the blind eye, the collusion of institutions such as the football authorities and banks, ‘inactivity’ within the legal and political classes…….it is all there to see.
Unfortunately, in Scotland, there seem to be matters which appear beyond taboo for scrutiny and judgement outwith the shadows the taboo inhabits. It is the entire ‘hinterland’ and historical baggage from which this phoenix club and its forerunner takes its sustenance that is the true cause for concern, for it has little to do with football. These elements are exactly the reason why there has NEVER been a level playing field for all clubs in Scotland and also why the fiasco around the Sevco entity ans its predecessor has to be properly dealt with. Failure to do so, as we can see and hear from the MSM, Green, McCoist et al, will only ensure that we face another hundred years of the same in football, unless this beast is put to the sword.
There appears more than just a little depondency on this blog, mainly because nothing appears to impede the rise and rise of Sevco. All that has happened so far in this saga has done nothing but given Sevco a clear run to an extremely bright future and that just cannot be right.
The least that fans could be doing is letting their political representatives know, in no uncertain terms, that the culture of ‘preference’ football, as well as anything else is unacceptable, intolerable, anathema etc in a society which believes in justice and fairness for all.
Thanks again for your concise piece of writing. Appreciated.
Angus says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:05
From the SFA “Transfer Deadline Day” page
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Rather strange that the only “Domestic” transfer listed is Templeton.
Andre Blackman went on loan the same day to Inverness.
Bocanegra shows for a loan, why not others, I am sure there are others.
VideoCelts has a capture with no Domestic signings, has this been added later??
Paranoid, I know, years of practise.
miki67 @8.55
Well said miki.
I was thinking about names, time and people.
A persons name can say a lot about his origins and the geography of its beginnings.
The Ogilvies and my people are old foes.
It got me thinking about what happens when you take on the establishment.
My people tried it 3 times.
Uprising and rebellion are words used to describe something that was unsuccessful.
It is only when you succeed in turning the established order on its head you can say to have brought about revolution.
If we as a online community are to succeed, we must pick our battles and the ground on which we fight them.
It saddens me that ground can be so undermined by petty name calling and cheap shots at the opposition.
To quote a term used by two of my least favourite politicians, ‘constructive engagement’ must be the order of the day.
Angus on September 5, 2012 at 09:05
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From the SFA “Transfer Deadline Day” page …
If this is correct angus then surely a non eligible player took part in the match on sunday and the result will be invalid. Surely an sfa official must give some kind of response to this issue. this could be a test for the resolve of the authorities. If this were taken to the phone ins this week surely this could not be ignored. Might even result in a little justice. Istheir anyone more eloquent than me that would be prepared to take this to the bbc on air?
Lets get the result changed from sevco 5-1 elgin to sevco 0-3 internet bampots.
I was thinking.
The old RFC(IA). Can matters get to a point, following the FTTT decision, where the creditors’ pot has been paid out and all that remains is effectively the registered name of the old club/company?
And, at that point, as an alternative to liquidation, can that company be bought by a last-minute third party, free of obligations?
Could this be why Mr Charles has agreed to take on “some” of the responsibilities of the old club? Is he planning to buy up the old club once it’s been shorn clean?
Was this not a plan that was mooted by one or other of the prospective buyers originally? Was this not where the “holding company” thing started? Create a new company, fleece the old company of its obligations, then subsume it into the new company?
Thus, of course, transferring effectively nothing but the old club’s history?
I know – a lot of question marks in this post! 🙂
Really enjoy some of the balanced posts on here but focusing on one, perhaps two, individuals that post “anti *Rangers” comments does not bode well. It is no different to answering to trolls. It is designed to pr)voke.
Unless you are taking the attitude of the ‘consensus’ TRFC support in “tarring everyone (particularly Celtic supporters) with the same brush” it is probably best just to ignore.
The reason I say this is not to pull anyone up or focus on any individuals but to get it back on track. I recall many comments in regard to RTC site being a hive of “anti Rangers (the original one) bigots”.
Was it really? Is this site going the same way?
The blog is and has always been (following on from RTC days), better than that.
Really enjoy some of the balanced posts on here but focusing on one, perhaps two, individuals that post “anti *Rangers” comments does not bode well. It is no different to answering to trolls. It is designed to provoke.
Unless you are taking the attitude of the ‘consensus’ TRFC support in “tarring everyone (particularly Celtic supporters) with the same brush” it is probably best just to ignore.
The reason I say this is not to pull anyone up or focus on any individuals but to get it back on track. I recall many comments in regard to RTC site being a hive of “anti Rangers (the original one) big0ts”.
Was it really? Is this site going the same way?
The blog is and has always been (following on from RTC days), better than that.
timtim @ 22.57
nice one
FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:57
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The relevance of the Falkirk story is nothing more than the inner circle creating the make believe that Scottish Football needs THE Rangers…
If the past 2 years had never happened…Falkirk would be in the same position they are now…playing in the first division…looking to sell a player instead of buying one…
Its window dressing on the edges of the picture
Can’t see this posted on here but found this on AFC chat site
Thank you for your correspondence. Your comments were passed to the Head of News, who has asked that I forward his response as follows:
Thank you for your letter. I would completely refute allegations of bias at BBC Scotland in relation to any particular football club. In answer to your specific points in relation to the naming of Rangers it is important for the BBC’s audience that a clear distinction is made between the former Rangers company and the new company owned by Mr Charles Green – and the corporate entity formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC”.
The Scottish Football Association has confirmed to BBC Scotland that a conditional club membership has been registered by Charles Green’s Sevco (Scotland) Ltd, and for sporting purposes the organisation will be referred to as “Rangers Football Club”. The company formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC” is currently in administration and will inevitably be liquidated.
The parent company owned by Charles Green – which was previously registered with Companies House as “Sevco (Scotland) Ltd.” – is now known as “The Rangers Football Club Ltd.”. This is the company which Mr Green claims purchased all of Rangers’ assets – purportedly including Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, the Albion St car park, the player registrations and the club’s membership of the Scottish Football Association and share in the Scottish Premier League.
At a meeting on Monday 4 July 2012, the SPL voted unanimously to reject an application to transfer the old company’s share in the SPL to Mr Green’s Sevco. Subsequently, Sevco applied for membership of the Scottish Football League, and, following a vote at Hampden on Friday 13 July, was accepted into the SFL setup. Also at that vote, Sevco was refused entry to SFL Division One, but was offered a place in SFL Division Three – and, subject to Scottish Football Association’s conditions of membership, the newco’s club started life in the SFL Third Division on Saturday 11 August 2012.
Given the complex nature of the old company, the new company and its relationship to the club entity, in the interests of clarity for the audience – which includes Rangers fans and non-Rangers fans alike – BBC Scotland will continue to make the distinction between off-field and on-field activity in relation to the newco, where appropriate, in order to accurately reflect the legal status of the parent company and the football registration status of the club.
The Rangers story, which is fast-moving and complicated even for those who follow it closely, is one that needs to be told fairly and clearly and I believe that our journalism is well up to that task.
I note your comments regarding Billy Dodds. To the best of my knowledge, prior to the edition of Sportsound broadcast on March 2nd, Billy Dodds had neither been asked nor commented on whether he had ever received a payment by way of an EBT. On Sportsound on March 2nd he was asked by Jim Spence if he had ever benefitted from an EBT. He avoided answering the question and Jim Spence did not ask him a second time. Choosing not to answer a question is not the same as lying. Billy went on to say that he had always received his wages as a conventional payment and that during his time as a player at Rangers he had never heard any talk of EBTs. He stands by this assertion and is adamant that he first heard mention of an EBT when Rangers FC asked him to accept his severance payment by way of an EBT. His position is that this resulted in him receiving no more and no less than the sum that was due to him after the deduction of income tax. Rangers FC provided him with a letter confirming that any tax liabilities lay with the club.
It is worth noting that EBTs are not in themselves illegal and a result is still pending in the appeal tribunal case involving Rangers.
Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us.
Details of the BBC complaints process are available online at http://www.bbc.co.uk…ts/handle.shtml
Kind Regards
David Woods
BBC Complaints
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:33
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
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Me too.
Roland Brown says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:33
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Worth a wee read.
“can you confirm the SFL did not seed Rangers in the League Cup draw because they are a new club?” (By the Way he is waiting on clarification from the SFL)
http://forweonlyknow.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/have-the-sfl-just-shot-themselves-in-the-foot/
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If I have interpreted this correctly then SFL should have seeded Whitstheirname because they finished in top 8 of the leagues but by not seeding them the SFL has acknowledged that Whitstheirname is, in fact, a different entity.
I expect that the Gadarene Swines will see this as another fly kick and insist that the round be redrawn with Whitstheirname being seeded ……. well, it may depend on how well they get on against ‘Well.
Allyjambo Taxpayer says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:44
No worries, as I remembered it was an image rights issue with Arsenal but if that’s wrong my apologies. Thanks for clearing it up.
Why is the Motherwell manager still in a job. Today he has said that Sevco are favourites for their cup tie. They have better quality players than most of the SPL teams and despite the fact that Motherwell are top of the SPL, Sevco would be a good bookies tip.
Why do the Motherwell fans stand for this?
StevieBC says:
September 4, 2012 at 20:00
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Nawlite says:
September 4, 2012 at 19:12
If you are not getting a response from the SFA it is time to write to your MSP and the Sports Minister. SFA get £10m of tax payers money so a little courtesy (please get tae) from them should be the least you expect.
I think the targets are the wrong ones for email questions, as we all know they are being bounced into viperspace as soon as they arrive in the snake pit of the SFA or the Scottish MSM,the sights should be raised to go over their heads ,target UEFA and FIFA daily with these email questions and I am sure if they are sent to a wider audience at these places someone will crack and want it sorted,as for the msm London and abroad like the German and French press ,along with any others will soon get upset if this was to keep going for ,say 6 months ,longer maybe,worth a try ,all we need is the addresses and we are off.
iki says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:54
Roland Brown says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:33
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Worth a wee read.
“can you confirm the SFL did not seed Rangers in the League Cup draw because they are a new club?” (By the Way he is waiting on clarification from the SFL)
http://forweonlyknow.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/have-the-sfl-just-shot-themselves-in-the-foot/
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If I have interpreted this correctly then SFL should have seeded Whitstheirname because they finished in top 8 of the leagues but by not seeding them the SFL has acknowledged that Whitstheirname is, in fact, a different entity.
I expect that the Gadarene Swines will see this as another fly kick and insist that the round be redrawn with Whitstheirname being seeded ……. well, it may depend on how well they get on against ‘Well.
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What’s more, if Green genuinely believed he had a case to claim they truly are a continuation of Rangers Football CLUB, he could have cemented it (to some extent) by successfully claiming they should be seeded in the League Cup. Of course, to challenge this he might well have had to go to court, whether the Court of Session or the Court of Arbitration in Sport, which would undoubtedly have led to his undoing. I suppose, if we ever get an answer to this question, we will just be given more lies and excuses, further pointing to the incompetence of our football administrators.
Wouldn’t it be oh so sweet if Green, through his love of stirring it, started another attack on the administrators over this and, because of his stupidity, backed the SFL into a situation where they had to say that The Rangers FC ARE a new club 🙂
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:01
No need to apologise, AJ. Whether I am right, or you, is of little consequence as Arsenal sorted it out in short order, making it completely different to the Rangers’ tax case.
Re previous posts re Arsenal and tax bills.
They did have an EBT problem in the early 2000s, but volunteered the info to HMRC, then settled the resultant bill. including penalties. As for image rights, Arsenal were one of 15 EPL clubs targetted by HMRC in 2010 approx. This was supervised by the English FA and all resultant tax bills, which were relatively small beer, have also been settled in full. Comprehensive instructions re future tax treatment were also given, so as to avoid any further “problems”.
Image rights payments are in vogue today as they seem to be at the root of the problem between Real Madrid and Cristiano Ronaldo. RM (sorry about this particular abbreviation) take the view that all players must cede individual image rights to the club, which can be particularly swingeing for someone with Ronaldo’s potential earning capacity.
When Government Public Enquiries are initiated, it’s usually because it is in the interest of The Public.
In my opinion, there are 130,000,000 public reasons why OUR Wee Parliament should start initiating such a Public Enquiry into this scandal.
Public money has been sucked into the pockets of dubious individuals involved with a now discredited football club. That Public money will never be seen again !
The so-called CEO’s of the 2 footballing bodies that administrated over that now discredited football club have been implicit in covering up their demise, and have also been complicit in their remarkable Rise from the Ashes.
My problem is that there is no straight separation in the timeline ! No cutting of the umbilical cord, so to speak !
It appears to me that rangers are still rangers. It also appears to me that the scavengers are still hanging around in the background, i.e. the same scavengers that were there not so long ago.
Some people are making Lottery Winning Sum’s from this debacle, and laughing at us all.
My question is, Is there no one in Public Authority, like an MSP for example, who can take this forward and lance it now ! MSP’s are usually jumping up and down when Public money is de-frauded ! Their silence is golden here !
If The FTTT finds against rangers, that to me would be good justification to hold a Public Enquiry.
You don’t bend over backwards, like Reagan & Doncaster, Salmond, etc, just because Scotland couldn’t do without some form of rangers still living. Rules are not about that. You can’t just bend them to suit yourself !
Apply the rules properly. SFA, SPL, SFL, Scottish Parliament, take note !
In fact, SFA & SPL, please resign en-masse and give Turnbull Hutton a chance to sort this game out. If not en-masse, then at least lets see Reagan & Doncaster walk !
We’re all being led down the garden path with these jokers !
I really don’t have any enthusiasm for this Saturday’s World Cup match, unlike previous games. This Summer has definately dampened my love of our National Game !
I bet I’m not the only one ?
Does anyone know how to set up and run a wee billboard media campaign? One or two (not so) cryptic questions on billboards in the next fortnight (aye right) prior to the FTT result, might raise the profile of the result and the reason why they cannot be considerd the same club.
Very much off topic but rereading the last blog by RTC i recall that gavin rae had his mobile phone stolen or cloned while he was at rangers. Does anyone have a link to the story?
Thanks
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:45
chancer67 @ 21:36
What we really need is access to the MSM…is crucial, and like most people, I have no idea how to achieve it at the moment
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As the SFA ignores emails, could we all email media contacts instead ?
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Any petition/action this week would probably get lost in the noise/reporting of the game itself.
What about after the game, suggesting that football fans may want to voice their concerns via emails to all media contacts, to elicit a response from them, because the SFA ignores our emails.
TSFM could perhaps (?) have a user-friendly, formatted list of ‘External Contacts’, whereby anyone could simply copy and paste one continuous list of email addresses into the ‘Send To’ box of their own email to be sent. [Minimal effort required to reach a lot of relevant contacts, simultaneously.]
Perhaps the content of the email could be left up to the individual, e.g. on behalf of Scottish football supporters, could you ask Regan/Ogilvie the following question(s)…
If a large enough number of people decided to send their emails – coincidentally – on the same day, then some MSM ‘journalists’ might acknowledge/report that there are strong feelings across Scotland about the SFA – and that the SFA is failing to answer the fans’ queries.
Some of the MSM may even ask the SFA a question or two.
It’s a long shot…
Alex Cox says:
September 4, 2012 at 16:02
The FOI angle may be that they arfe in receipt of substantial amounts of Scottish Government and European Parliament grants which come from our taxes ❗
yes an email list would be very helpful
also do text into Sportsound when the programme is on 80295 – they can’t ignore all our questions.
and keep emailing Scottish Government Ministers – they can only hide for so long before having to respond to emails scottish.ministers@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
we are getting through, albeit slowly, journalists are putting more and more caveats into their own words just in case Murray=Whyte=Green
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:25
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smallteaser says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:05
Maybe he’s trying to divert attention away from the fact that they ran the same scheme at one time.
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No they didn’t, from memory they had a tax issue with regard image rights. They paid the tax and penalties and settled the matter.
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Agra, it was EBT’s and they did have the money held in an account to pay when challenged by HMRC.
I was pointing out, however, that Arsenal know this, but chose to insinuate that Rangers had spent more than their means rather than quote that they had went bust due to tax evasion.
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:45
chancer67 @ 21:36
What we really need is access to the MSM, in the same way as all of the Sevco apologists
We can get petitions and trends going, but without that access, you are right that we will be a talking shop
MSM access is crucial, and like most people, I have no idea how to achieve it at the moment
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Just a thought, but is Stuart Cosgrove not a High Heid Yin with Channel 4 ? Alex Thomson is also a Channel 4 Journalist as well.
Maybe Stuart could be just the guy to arrange a debate on National TV ?
Just a thought !
droid says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:46
Alex Cox says:
September 4, 2012 at 16:02
The FOI angle may be that they arfe in receipt of substantial amounts of Scottish Government and European Parliament grants which come from our taxes
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They have to be a public authority as listed in schedule 1 to the act to be covered though.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2002/13/contents
I’m afraid freedom of information is often misunderstood. As is “in the public interest”, which is misinterpreted as “of interest to the public”.
Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information.
It’sagoal! says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:47
..’also do text into Sportsound when the programme is on 80295 – they can’t ignore all our questions…’
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They’ve ignored all mine for months! 🙂
smallteaser says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:48
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Fair do’s my mistake.
Lets look at the positives
The team playing at Ibrox is in the 4th tier of Scottish football
They are owned by a shyster intent on ripping them of their wealth (again)
They are managed by the clown Ally McCoistard
The Laptop loyal have exposed themselves as lickspittles
The SFA/SPL/SFL have exposed themselves of favouritism
They are not allowed to compete in Europe
They are not allowed to buy any players
The team known as Rfc will be liquidated
The FTT has still to deliver its verdict which if positive will label them as cheats
The dual contract issue cannot be denied on a positive FTT outcome
Their titles will have to be revoked
The police/fraud squad are investigating them
Ticketus are still hanging around looking for £24m
The proposed share issue is likely to fail in the current economic climate
The liquidators can throw Greens takeover out
Every other club in Scotland now despises them
A book exposing their wrongdoings is racing up the bestsellers list
We still have nuclear revelations to be revealed fully
They couldnae beat Peterhead or Berwick
Its not all doom and gloom
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
Flocculent Apoidea says:
September 4, 2012 at 21:10
Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
Re your e-mail. The Scottish Football League has accepted Rangers as an Associate member. The Scottish Football Association membership of Rangers FC was transferred from Rangers Football Club PLC (in Administration) (“Oldco”) to Sevco Scotland Limited (now called The Rangers Football Club Limited) (“Newco”) in terms of Article 14 of the Scottish FA’s Articles of Association and, therefore, it is entirely appropriate for the Scottish Football League to represent Rangers in this manner.
Regards,
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The amazing thing is that as the SFL statement says they granted associate membership to a club which did not exist till the end of July on the 13th July!! :-
“Friday 13th July 2012
The Member Clubs of The Scottish Football League have today voted to willingly accept The Rangers Football Club as an Associate Member of The Scottish Football League.”
http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/news/article/press-statement-49/
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
campsiejoe says:
September 4, 2012 at 20:37
Wow…reverse that back up a notch…I do not and never have read that rag…but did they really say the following?
“Yesterday that rag reports that Sevco threatened to ban them from Ibrox, if they run the PMG serialisation”…
Is this what we are really seeing….Charles Green and SEVCO now decide what papers print and don’t print?…and the threat is not being allowed into IBROX?…REALLY…access to Ibrox is what matters most?
As I’ve said….the people running the show…from SEVCO…the SFA (with their ex-Rangers season ticket holders and employees) and the various Rangers supporting MSM players…
Is it any real wonder that no one….absolutley no one will step outside the circle of secrecy and deception…from the collective above who are in sole control of the whole situation…
No one will be interviewed who is not within the circle…the circle control what is printed….what is asked…who is asked…and no challenge will be offered to any lie or falsehood that is presented…no compromising connections except at the most secret point. But it must succeed. No matter how much it costs the perpetrators must be on the winning side and never be subject to challenge for anything by anyone. That is a coup d’Ètat.
And still those outside the circle remain silent….WHY?
timtim says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:57
Good post, but……a wee point of order.
They ARE allowed to buy players – in fact, they were given an special advantage, in that, they were allowed to buy a player after the deadline when all the other honest teams were barred from signing players.
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose….
http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
“Its Hamilton Academical!”
Thanks, accie80.
Or should that be ‘acie80’ ?
I’m confused.
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Yes, you’re right to make the distinction.( And I know that your observation is not made either to defend or support him)
But in this case, which does not not involve national security, or the ‘Official secrets Act’, or highly sensitive commercial information, blah blah blah, one wonders exactly why the bold Alex is being so uncharacteristically coy!
What might he have said to HMRC that could conceivably be interpreted as being AGAINST the public interest ?
Might he, perhaps, have made an overtly partisan effort to protect the club favoured by a powerful voting block?
Might it be the case that publication of that effort might cost him the votes of that significant part of the electorate who see that favoured club as the fraud and cheat that it has been and totally undeserving of any special pleading?
We will not know for thirty years or so ( those of you young enough, mark your diaries now).
But even that unknowingness has already cost him votes.
Of course, as a clever man, he will ,quite cynically, have worked out that he can afford that loss, so significant is the power group he has chosen to defend and protect.
But, prudently, he will not take any risk of increasing that loss, hence the refusal to make public the details of his ‘intervention’.
Nobody in authority wants to ask even then most basic of questions, even to feign interest in this blatant corruption and collusion. Because once someone pulls the smallest little thread of truth, the entire scandal is likely to unravel. Nobody who lives and works in Scotland wants to be held responsible by the Establishment or their angry, delusional and dangerous hordes. The reality is speaking out, even the slightest probing question, is a genuine risk to peoples safety. Sadly this is what the country has been like for decades. This was a chance to move out of that cycle, that chance is very nearly gone.
Webster: 23:19.
Do you mean:
Gerry McCulloch
@gerrymcculloch1
Presenter, Broadcast Journalist, Event Host, Pianist & Singer. Also known as ‘Gerry fae the telly’ or ‘that guy that does the weather on STV!’ – which I dont.
Cause if it’s “McNee” I’m listening!! ;
jockybhoy says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:20
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose….
http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
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Thanks jockeybhoy,
Me for a start ! Walked right past the paper’s in ASDA today, didn’t buy one at all. especially the DR. Couldn’t even tell you their front page headlines.
Know what, I haven’t missed it. Have actually benefited from the old Blood Pressure not being raised by the propaganda I used to read daily.
And I saved 40p !
The £2 I now save a week will be put towards buying RTC’s new book when it comes out.
Message to The Scottish Sun and The Daily Record :
“Will the last person leaving please turn the lights off please !”
Goodnight !
Webster says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:19
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For a second there I thought I was reading a Monty Python sketch!
Hi guys, I must admit I haven’t checked in here in a while.
It seems that the last day or so’s discussion is primarily centered around Rangers/Sevco fans mobilising and contacting en masse a major Daily publication regarding the serialisation of Phil Mac’s soon so be released book.
This apparently is some kind of bullying and intimidation tactic from those involved.
And, at the same time, I read that we here on TSFM are about to be given lists on email contact details, to contact, en masse, members of the MSM and other bodies, to complain about various offences. Most linked to the previous groups contact.
Please forgive me here, but I’m struggling to see any difference. I assume the Rangers fans contact was threatening and offensive (the “evidence” being “that’s what they’re like”) and the TSFM’s contact is actually much more insightful?
I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as “scum”.
Hmmmm..
The ethos of this Blog, as far as I am aware, was that fans of all clubs – including the club that the vast majority of posters hate (for good reason, no doubt, and that is their right) – were able to come here and discuss, in an adult fashion, what has gone on within the heart of the SFA, Rangers, SPL and the wider gamut of Scottish Football. But you will never engage ALL fans of Scottish Football with way the comments on this blog are going.
So, I’m out.
I wish everyone the best of health and that at the end of the day everyone is satisfied. But, let’s face it, that ain’t gonna happen for either “Side” Lol.
Anyway, before I go, a couple of things.
1. Phil Mac’s serialisation should have run in the Sun (although why he chose this particular conduit is another story). I, personally, find some of his stuff offensive, but this is about his book. If Rangers fans aren’t happy with it, they need to read it and offer up arguments as to where and when Phil Mac is wrong. Burying one’s head in the sand will not make the biggest story and scandal to hit Scottish Football go away. Rangers fans have to learn from this too.
2. Eh, that’s actually it! Enjoy.
CW says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:39
‘..The £2 I now save a week will be put towards buying RTC’s new book when it comes out…’
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Good man, yourself. And I am not RTC!
john clarke says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:28
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Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Of course, as a clever man, he will ,quite cynically, have worked out that he can afford that loss, so significant is the power group he has chosen to defend and protect.
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If Salmond (a clever man, I agree) thinks that he can win votes for the SNP by sucking up to the supporters of RFC, then he has, in my opinion, made a monumental miscalculation. There is absolutely nothing for the SNP in the “Rangers” vote. Please try to understand, Mr Salmond- they are Unionists, first, last and always. There is nothing for you there. If you have compromised the integrity of your cause and your party to seek favour with them (and I strongly suspect that you have), then you may be clever, but you are also also a fool.
As I have posted before, I am secure in my knowledge that one can hold the opinion that the current Rangers are the same as the old Rangers, so long as one ignores the law and football rules. I have no problem with anyone doing so, but they must recognise that they ignore the law and the football rules to have any credibility.
The Glen! (above)
“Burying one’s head in the sand will not make the biggest story and scandal to hit Scottish Football go away. Rangers fans have to learn from this too.”
T-shirt!? A big yin obviously! ;
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘..Please forgive me here, but I’m struggling to see any difference. I assume the Rangers fans contact was threatening and offensive (the “evidence” being “that’s what they’re like”) and the TSFM’s contact is actually much more insightful?’
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Perhaps because your nom-de-plume strikes a wonderfully warm chord of connection with all that I hold dearest ( my mum went to school in Glen), I can see and appreciate your Ciceronian approach.
However, I submit that the cases are quite different.
TSFM’s interest is in encouraging Scottish football supporters to demand that the MSM begin to ask, like newspapers and radio journalists are supposed to do, questions of themselves about the ‘facts’ that they are reporting, not in getting them to be silent!
Per contra, the storm of abusive and threatening emails and phone calls made to the ‘Sun’ had one objective only: to prevent further publication of somebody’s views.
The provision of details of contact points-email addresses, phone numbers- is not quite the same as an orchestrated , and intimidatory, ‘do not publish or else’ campaign.
And do not, on any account, discontinue your interest in the blog. Partisanship is entirely acceptable, provided that there is a general readiness ( as I think, in the main, there is on this blog) to try to establish and recognise facts.
smallteaser says:
September 4, 2012 at 20:23
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Couldn’t let this pass.
Thanks for the thought mate but there are two LTLs on this board, the other one is the one who posted the FOI stuff and deserves all of the plaudits for doing so because that post is just about the best thing that’s been posted on here or on RTC for months.
FYI, I post with small letters in my user name and the other guy posts with capitals or big letters in his, quiet apt really.
Cheers.
john clarke says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:28
Agrajag says:
September 4, 2012 at 22:52
‘..Just because something is of interest to the public does not mean that it would be in the public interest to reveal it. Presumably the basis of Mr Salmond’s refusal to release information..’
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Yes, you’re right to make the distinction.( And I know that your observation is not made either to defend or support him)
But in this case, which does not not involve national security, or the ‘Official secrets Act’, or highly sensitive commercial information, blah blah blah, one wonders exactly why the bold Alex is being so uncharacteristically coy!
What might he have said to HMRC that could conceivably be interpreted as being AGAINST the public interest ?
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You are absolutely correct, I am defending neither him, the particular scenario, or the concept of “in the public interest”. I actually find the latter profoundly patronising, whilst ironically also understanding it. The real World is rarely black and white.
I hear what you are saying, but again the point has to be made. It’s not about what he said being in the public interest, it’s about whether or not releasing the details is in the public interest.
My opinion, he made a fanny of himself and it would not be in the public interest to advertise the fact that the First Minister did that. Being non-partisan one can understand that.
In my opinion (and nothing more than that) he tried to influence HMRC re Rangers and was given short shrift. Basically he was told to feck off and mind his own business. It would not reflect well on him, or the Westminster Government to advertise that. It would not be in the public interest, no matter how interesting it would have been to the public.
I remain as ever your most humble and obedient servant
Sir Humphrey.
Phil’s stuff (The Incubator) is nothing compared to this clown’s.
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11526246&t=8700235
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
So, I’m out.
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Please don’t go away.
I can see exactly where you are coming from, but this blog needs you, and people like you, to give it balance. Without that balance, where are we? To have any chance of a better future, Scottish football needs people like you to contribute to a reasoned debate. There is no other forum where that debate can take place. We need to keep this Blog going- and it’s not just about RFC/Sevco.
This forum is about Scottish football and its future. Clearly the past must be dealt with- that is what justice demands, and it is our duty, and the duty of every Scot, to try to ensure that justice prevails. Because a society without justice is not a society at all, just a bunch of warring factions.
For the future, we need to ensure that we build something better, for the good of Scottish football in its entirety, top to bottom and bottom to top. The last 15 years have been an unmitigated disaster for Scottish football, in my opinion. Maybe some will disagree? If so, please list the benefits?
Anyway, Glen, please stay, and sorry I got diverted on to a trademark rant- old age I’m afraid.
Agrajag says:
September 5, 2012 at 00:27
‘..I remain as ever your most humble and obedient servant
Sir Humphrey.’
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“Sir Humphrey, thank you.
I am most grateful to have your considered opinion, with which, broadly and in the round, give or take the odd caveat, and keeping in mind all the multifarious circumstances each one of which on its own might throw an entirely new perspective -and justifiably so- on any or all of the scenarios elaborated in previous discussions, I would go so far as to indicate, if that is not too strong a word, that I am beginning to lean towards possibly accepting as approximating a version of the truth with which, all other things being equal, I might conceivably be ready to contemplate accepting as possibly corresponding to metaphysical reality.
It was amusing of you to show evidence of how much you enjoyed your temporary posting to the U.S.A by adopting the American usage of ‘fanny’ to mean ‘ass’.
But, I remember now that you are from the ‘Celtic fringe’! And when you use the word ‘fanny’
it is not in the American sense of ‘ass’, but in the ( perhaps Glaswegian, but possibly generally Scottish/British ) sense of c..t !
I am no linguistic expert, of course, but describing First Minister as having made a c..t of himself as opposed to a mere arse has a certain earthy resonance that I savour.
I shall have a word in Cabinet about the ambassadorship.
Yours ever,
Rogered at eton “
This is it then, Phill’s book goes to number one, everyone who reads it wants to know what this is all about. Those that read the book cannot believe the tardiness? of the First Minister, SFA, Police, HMRC, Lord Hodge, MSM, etc. Downing Street are dragged into the morass. The taxpayer is stiffed for millions and millions and yet all the above draw their salary and do nothing. This is the biggest scandal in modern Scottish history.
This is it then, Phill’s book goes to number one, everyone who reads it wants to know what it’s all about. Those that read the book cannot believe the tardiness? of the First Minister, SFA, Police, HMRC, Lord Hodge, MSM, etc. Downing Street are dragged into the morass. The taxpayer is stiffed for millions and millions and yet all the above draw their salary and do nothing. This is the biggest scandal in modern Scottish history.
longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 00:30
Phil’s stuff (The Incubator) is nothing compared to this clown’s.
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That doesn’t make either of them acceptable.
Fred West was nothing compared to Harold Shipman.
http://www.itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/
That is worth a read and also a copy and paste to any of the denial sorts!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/rangers-money-the-difference-between-signing-and-selling.18778249
I despise The Sun and all it represents. I welcome free speech and thought.
I embrace diversity of culture and belief. I Iove football and support Celtic.
I cant read Phil Mac’s Incubator article without feeling sick. Such rancid, racist
bile depresses me.
I dont think these views are inconsistent.
Yer man has many worthwhile points to make, but on this one I strongly disagree.
Not in my name.
You can make up your own mind on this tweet. Myself I am not sure and I think the SFL rule of signing by 5pm is wrong.
Shauny @ShaunGibson1888
The Templeton lie (Or so I am told) http://wp.me/p2I8Dh-mr via @ShaunGibson1888 3 Edits later I think I have it all. If true I only seek truth
accies80(Harri159) says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:04
Jeezo, call yourself football fans! It’s Hamilton Academical, not Academicals or Accademical.
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What is so important about a name of a club?
Have we learnt nothing?
We have discovered this summer you can call yourself whatever you want – it makes no odds.
Unless its an announcer having a joke against Sevco – only then is a name important – and in this case you can put a photo and address on the website and threaten and insult him and his family without recourse or care.
Rumour has it Montrose are changing their name to The Real Madrid and will play in white at the Bernabeu Links Park………..and will claim to be the biggest and most successful club in Scotland complete with an array of stars for all the history they have paid the owner of the Montrose Tapas Bar.
All we need is Elgin to buy Barcelona’s history and rename themselves and we will have our very own El Classico. 🙂 Maybe El Buckfasto 🙂
It may sound stupid – but is that any more stupid than the reality of having a defunct club jetison debt of 130 million quid and still be around apparently bragging about being debt free?
Clowns ,the lot of them ,if they thought Phil M book was going to be bad for them ,it is only the Trojan horse to the RTC book hitting the streets ,I expect there will be a few people wanting to write the foreword for this ,trying to redeem themselves ,well they can fvck off back into the cesspit they have chosen to share with the rest of the snakes,when this book hits Amazon will pay its taxes,just through fear.
Stunney 3.16
Falkirk re rangers money allowing him to sign rather than sell ,creep,if he told the truth he would be like Green and calling it ,if their fans had filled ibrox on the night that they said they would ,we could have brought in more players,they have cheated us out of £150k,they do,do walking away
Fixed that for the Herald
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as “scum”.
Hmmmm..
The ethos of this Blog, as far as I am aware, was that fans of all clubs – including the club that the vast majority of posters hate (for good reason, no doubt, and that is their right) – were able to come here and discuss, in an adult fashion, what has gone on within the heart of the SFA, Rangers, SPL and the wider gamut of Scottish Football. But you will never engage ALL fans of Scottish Football with way the comments on this blog are going.’
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I think you should stick around The Glen. We don’t want another voice of reason to leave the room. I totally agree that allowing the language of hate on here undermines the blog’s credentials. It’s more than tiresome, and posts referring to, ‘Well, look at what the other lot say’, don’t wash. You either take the high moral ground and stay there, or you get off and jump back into the gutter. This blog will never achieve respect or standing in the media if it allows itself to be used as a scratchpad for people’s personal rage.
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
Can anyone please explain, just exactly what complaints Sevco supporters have with the SFA/SPL/SFL ?
From what I have seen each of these bodies has bent over backwards to accommodate their new club
Is it correct that new signings cant play if they signed after 5pm on deadline day.
Rab, 5pm was the deadline for SPL fixtures that weekend.
TheGamesABogey.
Thanks, i picked it up from an earlier link to a blog regarding templetons signing and it was stated there that it was an sfl rule also, just thought i would seek clarification before i warmed up my email finger. 😀
Very intrigued by the Stepane Grappelli post. Sorry,.SG, no clue from me, just wish to draw attention to it.
Is there some moderation taking place at the moment, posted 5 mins ago now missing!!!
From the SFA “Transfer Deadline Day” page …
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1957&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=10490
“SFL clubs wishing to sign a player to play this coming weekend will require to have all paperwork lodged and completed by midnight.”
It is strongly rumoured that Templeton did not sign by midnight.
This has already been flagged up as a double SFA failure. I think we can add a third to that list.
1. Not registered prior to transfer window deadline.
2. Signed after transfer embargo had started.
3. Played that weekend.
SFA FAIL x 3.
The Glen / Danish/ Sepia and others.
Thank you
This site will get properly on track when it realises that it is not and should never be an anti Rangers site.
Its anti dishonesty and is about integrity and fairness, (or rather the lack of it) in governance of companies and institutions like the SFA, SFL, and SPL, our media and in our parliaments (all parties).
In my view Rangers FC, their fans and all of us too have been victims.
Victims of an industrial sized ego, with an ambition he didn’t have the money to fulfill.
Victims of the “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” inevitability that saw him get away with it.
Victims of a “tax removal / phoenix company” plan that went disastrously wrong
Its a profoundly corrupt business tale that shames our country and there are no winners anywhere -so if its jelly and ice cream moments, or interweb gloating or sneaky wee personal put-downs or whatever I think there are better sites to find satisfaction.
When we stick to the detail we are a powerful force for change, when we make snide gossipy comments about individuals then we miss the mark.
I’d like to see us focus on making sure the right questions are asked because that is what we’ve done well. And detail and analysis makes us superior to the churnalism that we are competing with.
I’d like to see a stop to the stage managed delays and I’m hopeful of a clear out of the administrators who have contrived to make everything worse.
Ordinary Fan says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:30
Nobody in authority wants to ask even then most basic of questions, even to feign interest in this blatant corruption and collusion. Because once someone pulls the smallest little thread of truth, the entire scandal is likely to unravel. Nobody who lives and works in Scotland wants to be held responsible by the Establishment or their angry, delusional and dangerous hordes. The reality is speaking out, even the slightest probing question, is a genuine risk to peoples safety. Sadly this is what the country has been like for decades. This was a chance to move out of that cycle, that chance is very nearly gone.
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Thank you for putting so eloquently and precisely the real essence of what is to be found at the heart of this disgraceful episode of fraud, deception and triumphalist success at all costs. For weeks I have been travelling along the same thought path as that which you follow in your article. The turning of the blind eye, the collusion of institutions such as the football authorities and banks, ‘inactivity’ within the legal and political classes…….it is all there to see.
Unfortunately, in Scotland, there seem to be matters which appear beyond taboo for scrutiny and judgement outwith the shadows the taboo inhabits. It is the entire ‘hinterland’ and historical baggage from which this phoenix club and its forerunner takes its sustenance that is the true cause for concern, for it has little to do with football. These elements are exactly the reason why there has NEVER been a level playing field for all clubs in Scotland and also why the fiasco around the Sevco entity ans its predecessor has to be properly dealt with. Failure to do so, as we can see and hear from the MSM, Green, McCoist et al, will only ensure that we face another hundred years of the same in football, unless this beast is put to the sword.
There appears more than just a little depondency on this blog, mainly because nothing appears to impede the rise and rise of Sevco. All that has happened so far in this saga has done nothing but given Sevco a clear run to an extremely bright future and that just cannot be right.
The least that fans could be doing is letting their political representatives know, in no uncertain terms, that the culture of ‘preference’ football, as well as anything else is unacceptable, intolerable, anathema etc in a society which believes in justice and fairness for all.
Thanks again for your concise piece of writing. Appreciated.
Angus says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:05
From the SFA “Transfer Deadline Day” page
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Rather strange that the only “Domestic” transfer listed is Templeton.
Andre Blackman went on loan the same day to Inverness.
Bocanegra shows for a loan, why not others, I am sure there are others.
VideoCelts has a capture with no Domestic signings, has this been added later??
Paranoid, I know, years of practise.
miki67 @8.55
Well said miki.
I was thinking about names, time and people.
A persons name can say a lot about his origins and the geography of its beginnings.
The Ogilvies and my people are old foes.
It got me thinking about what happens when you take on the establishment.
My people tried it 3 times.
Uprising and rebellion are words used to describe something that was unsuccessful.
It is only when you succeed in turning the established order on its head you can say to have brought about revolution.
If we as a online community are to succeed, we must pick our battles and the ground on which we fight them.
It saddens me that ground can be so undermined by petty name calling and cheap shots at the opposition.
To quote a term used by two of my least favourite politicians, ‘constructive engagement’ must be the order of the day.
Angus on September 5, 2012 at 09:05
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From the SFA “Transfer Deadline Day” page …
If this is correct angus then surely a non eligible player took part in the match on sunday and the result will be invalid. Surely an sfa official must give some kind of response to this issue. this could be a test for the resolve of the authorities. If this were taken to the phone ins this week surely this could not be ignored. Might even result in a little justice. Istheir anyone more eloquent than me that would be prepared to take this to the bbc on air?
Lets get the result changed from sevco 5-1 elgin to sevco 0-3 internet bampots.
I was thinking.
The old RFC(IA). Can matters get to a point, following the FTTT decision, where the creditors’ pot has been paid out and all that remains is effectively the registered name of the old club/company?
And, at that point, as an alternative to liquidation, can that company be bought by a last-minute third party, free of obligations?
Could this be why Mr Charles has agreed to take on “some” of the responsibilities of the old club? Is he planning to buy up the old club once it’s been shorn clean?
Was this not a plan that was mooted by one or other of the prospective buyers originally? Was this not where the “holding company” thing started? Create a new company, fleece the old company of its obligations, then subsume it into the new company?
Thus, of course, transferring effectively nothing but the old club’s history?
I know – a lot of question marks in this post! 🙂
Really enjoy some of the balanced posts on here but focusing on one, perhaps two, individuals that post “anti *Rangers” comments does not bode well. It is no different to answering to trolls. It is designed to pr)voke.
Unless you are taking the attitude of the ‘consensus’ TRFC support in “tarring everyone (particularly Celtic supporters) with the same brush” it is probably best just to ignore.
The reason I say this is not to pull anyone up or focus on any individuals but to get it back on track. I recall many comments in regard to RTC site being a hive of “anti Rangers (the original one) bigots”.
Was it really? Is this site going the same way?
The blog is and has always been (following on from RTC days), better than that.
Really enjoy some of the balanced posts on here but focusing on one, perhaps two, individuals that post “anti *Rangers” comments does not bode well. It is no different to answering to trolls. It is designed to provoke.
Unless you are taking the attitude of the ‘consensus’ TRFC support in “tarring everyone (particularly Celtic supporters) with the same brush” it is probably best just to ignore.
The reason I say this is not to pull anyone up or focus on any individuals but to get it back on track. I recall many comments in regard to RTC site being a hive of “anti Rangers (the original one) big0ts”.
Was it really? Is this site going the same way?
The blog is and has always been (following on from RTC days), better than that.
timtim @ 22.57
nice one
FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:57
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The relevance of the Falkirk story is nothing more than the inner circle creating the make believe that Scottish Football needs THE Rangers…
If the past 2 years had never happened…Falkirk would be in the same position they are now…playing in the first division…looking to sell a player instead of buying one…
Its window dressing on the edges of the picture
Can’t see this posted on here but found this on AFC chat site
Thank you for your correspondence. Your comments were passed to the Head of News, who has asked that I forward his response as follows:
Thank you for your letter. I would completely refute allegations of bias at BBC Scotland in relation to any particular football club. In answer to your specific points in relation to the naming of Rangers it is important for the BBC’s audience that a clear distinction is made between the former Rangers company and the new company owned by Mr Charles Green – and the corporate entity formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC”.
The Scottish Football Association has confirmed to BBC Scotland that a conditional club membership has been registered by Charles Green’s Sevco (Scotland) Ltd, and for sporting purposes the organisation will be referred to as “Rangers Football Club”. The company formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC” is currently in administration and will inevitably be liquidated.
The parent company owned by Charles Green – which was previously registered with Companies House as “Sevco (Scotland) Ltd.” – is now known as “The Rangers Football Club Ltd.”. This is the company which Mr Green claims purchased all of Rangers’ assets – purportedly including Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, the Albion St car park, the player registrations and the club’s membership of the Scottish Football Association and share in the Scottish Premier League.
At a meeting on Monday 4 July 2012, the SPL voted unanimously to reject an application to transfer the old company’s share in the SPL to Mr Green’s Sevco. Subsequently, Sevco applied for membership of the Scottish Football League, and, following a vote at Hampden on Friday 13 July, was accepted into the SFL setup. Also at that vote, Sevco was refused entry to SFL Division One, but was offered a place in SFL Division Three – and, subject to Scottish Football Association’s conditions of membership, the newco’s club started life in the SFL Third Division on Saturday 11 August 2012.
Given the complex nature of the old company, the new company and its relationship to the club entity, in the interests of clarity for the audience – which includes Rangers fans and non-Rangers fans alike – BBC Scotland will continue to make the distinction between off-field and on-field activity in relation to the newco, where appropriate, in order to accurately reflect the legal status of the parent company and the football registration status of the club.
The Rangers story, which is fast-moving and complicated even for those who follow it closely, is one that needs to be told fairly and clearly and I believe that our journalism is well up to that task.
I note your comments regarding Billy Dodds. To the best of my knowledge, prior to the edition of Sportsound broadcast on March 2nd, Billy Dodds had neither been asked nor commented on whether he had ever received a payment by way of an EBT. On Sportsound on March 2nd he was asked by Jim Spence if he had ever benefitted from an EBT. He avoided answering the question and Jim Spence did not ask him a second time. Choosing not to answer a question is not the same as lying. Billy went on to say that he had always received his wages as a conventional payment and that during his time as a player at Rangers he had never heard any talk of EBTs. He stands by this assertion and is adamant that he first heard mention of an EBT when Rangers FC asked him to accept his severance payment by way of an EBT. His position is that this resulted in him receiving no more and no less than the sum that was due to him after the deduction of income tax. Rangers FC provided him with a letter confirming that any tax liabilities lay with the club.
It is worth noting that EBTs are not in themselves illegal and a result is still pending in the appeal tribunal case involving Rangers.
Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us.
Details of the BBC complaints process are available online at http://www.bbc.co.uk…ts/handle.shtml
Kind Regards
David Woods
BBC Complaints
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:33
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
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Me too.