1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
Let us put this in perspective
My father is a retired miner – he is not a huge football fan but watches it if it is on. He only ever attended when he could persuade no one else to take me when I was younger. He is living on a pension and has to pay the other month for dental work.
Now with 130 million, could we have been able to give free dental care for OAPs? Could we have given OAPs another 40 quid for the winter heating allowance?
Could we have given free school meals for the very needy children who eat nothing but cheap food with little vitamin value at night?
There was a large scale fraud – yes – it cost everyone in Scotland – 90% of whom don’t care about football or any team.
Fraud is committed when someone is able to do something that they shoudl not be able to.
My point is – there is a point getting angry at SDM – and perhaps BOS and HBOS for enabling the scheme – but all rules and regulations for the SFA/SPL/SFL are there to do what?
Detect and enable any breach of regulations to be identified and punished.
My anger has now subsided a little at the old defunt club. I have moments when CG is rubbing it in my face about being debt free and a world dominance – but the fans of his club have to hold him accountable for their money.
For my money that has been wasted I need to know who was accountible for that error in detecting the fraud.
Was it SFA/SPL who did not care about the dual contracts? If this had been detected in 2004, we woudl not be down the road now.
Was it BOS/HBOS who loaned him money knowing the loaned money was being used to pay another loan back (try paying your mortgage with a credit card and you will see hwo that works out!)?
Was it the Govt who tried to delay the administration process last year meaning Hector could not get his (or our) money back?
Where were the checks and balances that we expect in our legal system?
What is the point of regulations if nothing is detected?
What changes NEED to happen to ensure no repeat?
And who looked the other way while it happened………….
That is the channel of my anger now………
FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:
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Falkirk re rangers money allowing him to sign rather than sell ,creep,if he told the truth he would be like Green and calling it ,if their fans had filled ibrox on the night that they said they would ,we could have brought in more players,they have cheated us out of £150k,they do,do walking away
Fixed that for the Herald
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Hurrah for the good ship Rangers, the Robin Hood of Scottish football.
This kind of story is one of the things that totally hack me off. What about looking at the reverse side of this. If Rangers had been held properly to account, and the signing ban had been implemented as should have been, there is a fair chance that Falkirk would have beaten them in both the Ramsdens and League Cup. Now what effect would that have had on their finances. At least two extra games, one of which was guaranteed to be against SPL opposition.
Why don’t the SFL clubs just go the whole hog and have a “sponsored by Sevco” slogan on their jersey’s.
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
If Wee Eck wont tell us what he said to Hector perhaps its time to lobby the Tories and Labour parties to push him for the details.
If this is how an independant Scotland is shaping up, then I’ll be voting to maintain the status quo, and I will be telling my SNP MSP just that.
If the brotherhood are allowed to pull this off then its a sad day to be a Scot, at least you know where you stand with Westminster.
midcalderan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:47
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:33
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
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I have posted before that I am a Celtic fan in a family of Rangers fans – I became a Celtic fan due to idolising a wee ginger haired winger with his socks around his ankles. After that King Kenny became my idol – and by then I was hooked.
Just because of my support for Celtic, I was insulted by others especially because I did not fit their view of what a “normal” Celtic fan should be – I did not go to a school with a saints name nor did I have any connection with Ireland or any other pigeon hole idea that others have for supporters of Celtic. I was told many times that they could not understand me supporting them.
My point is – everyone has their reasons for supporting a team – not everyone is what others expect.
Please avoid the assumptions that if you are not with us, you are against us – leave that for George Bush – many of us have a common link – the love of football, fair play and equal footing/standing for everyone. If we use these common links, we will find more commanility.
Leave the insults for less deserving places – thanks!
I totally see Neal’s point but the reason that so much comment concerns RFC(IA) and The Rangers is that these are the entities that have caused all the problems, who have broken all the rules, had special favours granted to them and been allowed to get away blue murder!
What other teams have behaved in this fashion. What other teams have been given as much slack by the SFA/SFL/SPL etc?
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
So if Elgin call a foul…in theory if we follow that through it would be a 3 nil automatic defeat and a 3 point deduction in league points…THE Rangers would appeal…and possibly end up in the CoS once they exhaust the SFA channels…they would have the choice leave Templeton out..or continue to defy and play him…this would..
Wouldn’t it be fun for this to run for a few games before the playing of Templeton was challenged…thus leading to a greater number of games involved…
I doubt this will go anywhere if I’m honest…
On the Templeton thing – it has been a surprise that Brechin never asked about the registrations – given that Sevco were only a temporary member, who were the players registered to? Plus the trialists?
Wonder if SFA have bent the rules so much that they are scared to say to CG now that he has to behave otherwise they fear he may spill the beans…..
The charge that he was foudn guilty of was actually against his club – so his rant that he claims they believed his nonsense would have to a lesser mortal meant another charge.
Yet SFA keeps stumm…………
The registration of players, 5 way agreement to have football debts paid and so called transfer embargos all point to one thing
The game is still corrupt to this day.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
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The following caught my eye..
“The Scottish Football Association has confirmed to BBC Scotland that a CONDITIONAL club membership has been registered by Charles Green’s Sevco (Scotland) Ltd, and for SPORTING PURPOSES the organisation will be referred to as “Rangers Football Club”. The company formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC” is currently in administration and will inevitably be liquidated”…
1. What are the conditions?
2. What rules are in place at the SFA to issue a CONDITIONAL membership to a Company?
2. What sporting purposes would they be?
It sort of suggests the BBC are happy to accept any nonsense provided to them without challenging the source…very un-BBC like don’t you think?
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:27
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
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Ok I’ll bite first
If everyone was so happy to do the deal – then why not do it Friday morning? Make sure it is done in a timely manner. Why wait until the last minute knowing that there was a “door slammed shut”?
So your premise is already cooked.
Templeton wanted more money and was not so happy to sign
Until he got offerred more
That is why the delay
However T’Rangers broke 2 rules – the transfer window and the transfer embargo.
Not sure how corruption is “all for the good of Scottish football” unless you are a recipient.
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:18
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:04
Can we get off the “my name is wanyama67 (use anyone that fits) and I am a celtaholic” posts.
If someone doesn’t like the tone of the site, don’t read it.
If you want to discuss the content feel free and critice individuals if required.
There is enough moderation ongoing around here without any more.
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:33
Ok I’ll bite first
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You sure did, and my tongue is still inserted in my cheek.
tomtom says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:59
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FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:
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Prior to T’Rangers being in Div 3 in any one season Falkirk had the potential to draw Rangers twice in one season in both Scottish Cup and League Cup.
The only difference this season is that they have had the ‘luck’ of drawing them early in two of the three cups T’Rangers will be playing in and this brought in unplanned income before the transfer window closed.
Nothing to see here sir, now move along please.
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:15
Well said invisible line, This Templeton thing is interesting. He was not registered properly full stop.
He is an illegal player. Game awarded to opponents.Any game he plays in will result in the game being awarded to Servco’s opponents. Check it out with UEFA.
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 08:55
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Moral high ground? Rangers? Oxymoronic.
Celtic? Hateful? I wonder. Very angry and disgusted. Hate is the converse of love and requires an incredible level of emotion. No love lost, but not ‘hate’.
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Miky….thank you for the most accurate description of the word “hate”…which has sadly infested relations across the known world, particularly in the West of Scotland, the results being visible in the posts from bloggers who have left, partly, at least, on account of it.
If only these sentiments were known and more widely appreciated, perhaps this blog would not have to exist.
Not off topic either…fellow bloggers.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
Rather interesting use of the word purportedly, relating to Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, the Albion St car park, the player registrations and the club’s membership of the Scottish Football Association and share in the Scottish Premier League.
Definition – accepted as true on inconclusive grounds.
Could it be the Beeb are investigating such claims as we speak.
The Templeton issue – clearly his signing breaks both the transfer deadline and the embargo. No other club would have been allowed to do this. Will we get anywhere with it? .
No.
1. No-one in the MSM will ask the question
2. No club will complain for fear of reprisals
3. Their very existence destroys the fabric ( I would use integrity but it could be misconstrued) of the assication. It now has no rules which pertain to this club.
Game over
CW says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:39
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose…. http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
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Notice it makes use of the words “readership” and “readers” which makes the figures look quite good. But isn’t it the case that journals use these terms to refer to all readers regardless of whether they buy the paper – and “circulation” is the word for actual sales of papers?
(Assuming I’m correct and if I@m not someone here will quickly correct me) I don’t know what assumptions are made that this is based on but I’d guess fairly elastic ones and the actual circulation is much lower than the figures given here.
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:44
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:15
Well said invisible line, This Templeton thing is interesting. He was not registered properly full stop.
He is an illegal player. Game awarded to opponents.Any game he plays in will result in the game being awarded to Servco’s opponents. Check it out with UEFA.
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I’m sure UEFA will accept the “Glitch” story.It’s easier than actually doing anything.I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
Maybe we should be mailing every chairman in Div 3 and asking them what their clubs position is wrt playing against a team with an ineligible player.
As some posters have mentioned before,until we can get this story mainstream,we’ll always be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.Obvious routes online are through Twitter & Facebook.The established media will be more difficult though.We need a recognised face(I said before that Stuart Cosgrove would great but I don’t think he’d do it).
Any ideas.
TSFM,
Do you think it would be worth approaching Mr Cosgove and asking if he’d be willing to write a guest blog for us?.
Unfortunately the Templeton 5 minutes after the deadline signing issue will never be resolved to some peoples satisfaction.
I have been involved in submitting tenders over the years and generally there is no leeway but sometimes they have been accepted after a deadline due to a variety of reasons.
It really comes down to the parties involved being happy with the process. I am sure there may have been some jiggery pokery with other clubs on transfer deadlines in the past but we just haven’t heard about it. Equally some clubs will be able to claim that although there were unforeseen problems transfers didn’t go through because the door was slammed shut at midnight.
The main story re Templeton is that despite Sally saying he was looking for six players they were desperately scrambling around trying to get one.
The fact that it went down to the wire tends to indicate that Templeton and his agent were holding out for the best deal possible given the drop to Div 3 football just after putting in good performances against Liverpool.
The question that doesn’t seen to have been asked or followed up is why didn’t McGowan go as well. From what has been said he valued his international career more than T’Rangers shilling. However was that shilling ever big enough or were the purse string pulled tight?
Imagine what would have happened if the deal had failed (regardless of the time factor) and no-one had been brought in. This one signing just managed to keep the growling bears on side for a wee while longer.
I think Templeton has made a poor decision going to T’Rangers but it gives an indication of the state of play at Ibrox. Templeton has blown hot and cold but looks like he is in a warm period just now and while an exciting player he is not the finished article.
This is the reality of where T’Rangers are at the moment. Dumped of lot of high earners but then signed a few journey men and young lads for a bit more than they are actually worth on the open market.
The main question is will this approach be sustainable based on what we know of season ticket sales and the apparent lack of investment to date.
As I keep reminding people these guys may have signed contracts at Ibrox but what happens if others outwith Scotland come looking for Templeton or say Little. (Killie just sold a 17 year old to Everton for six figues). Will Mr Charles hold onto them for the good of the footballing side or will be sell them for the cash?
If he sells then will he bank the cash for when they can sign players again or will it be blown on something else?
A similar question needs to be asked about any monies raised via an IPO.
If Mr Charles keeps putting sustainable cash into the club for the development of the football side of things then fair play to him.
If not……………………????????????
i think there are distinct anti-Rangers terms and attitudes which are offensive “sc*m” the banned words and others have been used on here and are unacceptable.
I am not that keen on “knuckle draggers” either
We can attack the institution and its fan base for their actions with appropriate language.
So when Miki talks of ” Anti-Rangers” attitudes being acceptable I think we need to be careful how we define this. We can and must attack the actions of RFC and SEVCO and the SFA in relation to Rangers. We can question the mentality of those who sing sectarian songs, the wider denial of the fans as regards the nature of the entity they support and their denial in accepting that the club they once supported id in a state of suspended animation awaiting destruction.
I don’t think we should develop an anti – rangers mindset per se- some of the contributors on RTC and those we need this blog to reach were supporters of RFC (IA) – not certain where they stand on the SEVCO model but that should not iin any way hamper criticism of the club that is valid and evidence based., There is plenty there without resorting to abusive terminology frankly!
There is no chance of getting anywhere with the Templeton issue. Just best to chalk it to the list – the latest and actually one of the most minor of the rule breaches incurred by SEVCO and by the SFA itself throughout this saga.
Late signings are part and parcel of the process – this particular transgression is not uniquely Rangers, at least in European terms though I think it is unique in Scottish transfers but I may be wrong – and a nod and a wink has always sufficed in the past. The late transfer deal has usually suited all parties involved and you hear no more about it. Corruption and sharp practice are rife within the game especially as regards player regsitrations and transfers.
You could try contacting UEFA – but to date they have just blanked any inquiries regarding any of the shenanigans of the SFA – and a late registered player by some minutes is such small beer compared to what they have simply turned a blind eye to, to date that I suspect the response will be deafening silence..
As the BTC is being published this month, maybe some will be wanting to distance club from company even more than currently.
Maybe some will not be happy that THE Rangers is now being tarred with the same brush as Rangers.
Maybe some will refer to the old club as RFC2012 as it has changed its name.
Strange this name change did not also take the history,
Reminds me of Windscale and Sellafield, both the same, but one had better publicity than the other.
Not long to wait now, will Charles Green & McCoist be notified when the decision comes through even though they have no connection to the old company?
As the SFA will be notified 7 days in advance, expect some more shocking exposures first to cushion the blow.
Do not expect the SFA to announce the date for the Dual contracts meeting until after this has been dissected.
It appears the only way the SFA/SFL and other clubs will truly see how other fans feel is when they play t’rangers at home in an empty stadium. Is it feasible that if they beat motherwell and draw Aberdeen or Celtic away, Pittodrie or CP will be empty of home fans. I for one will not be going to any game at Cetic Park against t’rangers ..ever.
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:51
Traynor = Slug then..Slug now..Forever a Slug !
StevieBC on September 4, 2012 at 22:41 20 0 Rate This
Some great ideas last night for ways of getting access to the MSM. It’sagoal also contributing with the text number for Sportsound.
Regarding emails, for the hell of it is it worth adding a CC list, to any emails sent to SFA etc, with as many msm email addresses as possible? It would seem the only way to put the obvious questions that we are all asking in the heads of sports journos. Also some sympathetic sports reporters might actually follow up the question with the governing bodies. My apologies if people on here are already doing this and I am just stating the obvious.
Regarding texts or emails to Sportsound, would it be worthwhile agreeing on one or two important issues we want to raise every week and we mass email or text the same question. Surely that way if hundreds are raising the same question to the panelists we have more chance of it being raised.
Failing that we could organise a Flash Mob and do some whacky dance that conveys our frustrations at the governing bodies or msm. 🙂
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
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Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
StevieBC on September 4, 2012 at 22:41 20 0 Rate This
Some great ideas last night for ways of getting access to the MSM. It’sagoal also contributing with the text number for Sportsound.
Regarding emails, for the hell of it is it worth adding a CC list, to any emails sent to SFA etc, with as many msm email addresses as possible? It would seem the only way to put the obvious questions that we are all asking in the heads of sports journos. Also some sympathetic sports reporters might actually follow up the question with the governing bodies. My apologies if people on here are already doing this and I am just stating the obvious.
Regarding texts or emails to Sportsound, would it be worthwhile agreeing on one or two important issues we want to raise every week and we mass email or text the same question. Surely that way if many are raising the same question to the panelists we have more chance of it being raised.
Failing that we could organise a Flash Mob and do some whacky dance that conveys our frustrations at the governing bodies or msm. 🙂
Sorry posted twice as first post went into moderation for typing h**dreds!
miki/essexbean
I once heard a different take on the ‘opposite of love.’ That it is not hate. That it is actually APATHY.
To give up and to just not give a damn any more. That is the big danger IMO and already we seem to have seen bloggers walking away. I urge them to continue.
I am glad there are people on here who still care enough to write passionately. But it is important to temper that passion. Phil Mac is discovering that after his ‘incubator’ piece.
You shag one sheep…..
Goosy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:49
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Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
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Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
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And that’s the Catch 22!.
It takes the clubs to remove the officials but the clubs are,by their actions,complicit in this charade.I saddens me that we don’t seem to have one person involved with ANY club from the SPL/SFL or any official at the governing bodies willing to speak out.You are talking about hundreds of people here!.
Mr Bunny says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:10
You’re correct.
Circulation is usually bumped-up times 5 eg one bought another 4 in family read.
TSFM – a request. Every time I log-on here yet another set of rule-breaking is reported.
Any chance of compiling a list – Rules Broken both by SFA and the Govan Club(s).
And thanks for all the good work you’re doing keeping the blog going. I sure some of us here don’t know the half of what’s involved. (sook sook)
Repost due to original in moderation.TSFM,please ignore same.Used banned word.think I’d remember rules by now.
Goosy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:49
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Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
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And that’s the Catch 22!.
It takes the clubs to remove the officials but the clubs are,by their actions,complicit in this charade.I saddens me that we don’t seem to have one person involved with ANY club from the SPL/SFL or any official at the governing bodies willing to speak out.You are talking about lots of people here!.
Why don’t the SFL clubs just go the whole hog and have a “sponsored by Sevco” slogan on their jersey’s.
One sentence that shows what Scottish football is all about.
From the
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wednesday 5 September 2012
GENEVA:
“FIFA and UEFA said yesterday they are studying corruption allegations involving Lithuanian football federation leader Julius Kvedaras before deciding if he can remain one of their committee members.
A Lithuanian court has ordered Kvedaras to step down as LFF president for six months during a probe into whether he illegally took football funds.
Lithuanian media reports say the investigation involves project funding given by UEFA.
“FIFA and UEFA are closely following the situation and are in contact with the member association in Lithuania, and the relevant authorities,” FIFA said in a statement. “FIFA and UEFA will formalize their position after fully analyzing facts.” Kvedaras is a member of FIFA’s development committee, which allocates millions of dollars each year in project funds for national federations. It next meets Sept. 25 in Zurich.
FIFA President Sepp Blatter has pledged zero-tolerance of corruption as part of his drive to reform world football after a series of bribery and election scandals.
Kvedaras also sits on UEFA’s Football Committee, which meets Sept. 26 in Warsaw, Poland.
“We are in the process of gathering additional information on this matter,” UEFA said in a statement …”
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So some small countries can and do take action against officials, and UEFA and FIFA do pay attention the goings on. Well, well …
Ironic how the first story on SSN is a report wrt the possible illegalities of Michael Owens Stoke City FC registration.no messing with the FA/Premiership and discussion out in the open.
Maybe the SFA could…………………Na,forget it.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
“Given the complex nature of the old company, the new company and its relationship to the club entity, in the interests of clarity for the audience – which includes Rangers fans and non-Rangers fans alike – BBC Scotland will continue to make the distinction between off-field and on-field activity in relation to the newco, where appropriate, in order to accurately reflect the legal status of the parent company and the football registration status of the club.”
David Woods
BBC Complaints
Can I suggest that complaints (General BBC) are made here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
citing factual innaccuracy in the reporting of Sevco’s Rangers.
There is no complex relationship.
Sevco bought the brand and trademarks from The Rangers Football Club plc. They did not buy the club. The Rangers Football Club plc is the club. There was no separate “club entity” to be purchased from The Rangers Football Club plc.
The SFA allowed the transfer of membership between one club and another. They did not/could not allow the transfer of a club between two different companies – which seems to be Mr Woods assertion.
If Mr Woods does not understand this, he should ask someone who does.
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug
BBC Scotland will show #Rangers v #Motherwell live on Wednesday Sep 26th KO 1915. #ScottishCommunitiesLeaguecup
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Bunny – you are correct re readership. As I posted on Scottish Law Thoughts is reponse to my oringial post:
Based on ABC Certificates the Scottish Sun has dropped under 300k circ for the first time, which would of course set some alam bells ringing for an editor (it was 333k in Oct 2010). I appreciate the Daily Record will try and puff themselves at the expense of their arch rival, but the reality is ALL newspapers are struggling and no editor will be thanked by their owners for alienating a sizable portion of their demographic. So I agree, it was probably a commercial decision – but I still think cowardly and certainly hypocritical to say it wasn’t the threat of a boycott that was the driving force….
When an editor loses respect of owners, staff and readers, which I do think may happen here, he’s not going to last long
Newspapers need to connect with their audience to ensure survival. I rest my case.
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
You raise an interesting dilema, especially for Celtic fans.
Early round League Cup ties hold very little interest for fans. Even at Celtic Park v SPL opposition the attendance can be low (i.e League Cup Round 3 CELTIC F.C. 6 INVERNESS CALEDONIAN THISTLE F.C. 0 ,Wednesday, 22 September 2010 Kick-off: 19:45 | Attendance: 17,547)
If they do draw T’Rangers what is better?
Turning up in vast numbers in the hope of giving them a good trashing for bragging rights and unfurl a few more, hopefully humorous banners. And of course unless they work the ‘£14 programme scam, this puts cash into Mr Charles’ wallet.
OR
treat the tie like any other against a ‘lesser’ opposition from the lower divisions and go to Tesco with the wife and catch the highlights later.
For the conspiracy theorists re the Templeton transfer timing, I have been told by a source at Hearts (who definitely would know) that the deal between Hearts and TRFC was concluded at 9.30pm. However, I don’t know when the paperwork was actually submitted to the SFA and SFL.
There was no need for contract details to be provided as I’m sure that the club has two weeks to submit that information.
It may have been that the apparent delay on the last day of the window was down to discussions on contract terms rather than the deal with Hearts.
easyJambo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:33
For the conspiracy theorists re the Templeton transfer timing, I have been told by a source at Hearts (who definitely would know) that the deal between Hearts and TRFC was concluded at 9.30pm. However, I don’t know when the paperwork was actually submitted to the SFA and SFL.
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Because the clubs agreed the deal does not make it a deal, Templeton still had to agree personal terms,
The transfer fee had been agreed at 9:30, the stumbling block was salary, until Templeton put his coat on at 00:01. then the parameters changed.
When are The Rangers Tribute Act up on disciplinary charges for the sectarian and racist chanting by their fans? They have been heard clearly at every single game they have played in since they started life as a Football Club. You would think the response from the SFL and SFA would be swift and stern, nipping it in the bud, yet still nothing. What is going on? Not MORE fear dictating how the authorities deal with The Rangers Tribute Act surely? I will be emailing the SFA and SFL to ask why there is such a long delay in action being taken, I hope others will be doing the same.
On the BBC Sport website under Scottish Premier League to the left of the League Table are stories in pictures. The Middle one is tagged “Rangers: The Players’ Moves” Seems they can’t accept Rangers now play in the 4th tier of Scottish football
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
Is it feasible that if they beat motherwell and draw Aberdeen or Celtic away, Pittodrie or CP will be empty of home fans.
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No, it’s not feasible. Way too much chance of giving them an absolute hiding.
Even though we know they’re not real, it would be far too much fun to miss. 🙂
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:46
maybe ask spl how they are getting on with their investigation about the killie post admin game too.
I think the Templeton registration is a bit of a waste of time, most Football Associations allow a little bit of leeway. However I would find it difficult to believe leeway would be given on sanctions. Midnight was the start of a transfer embargo so the Tribute Act situation is surely in contravention of the sanction imposed.
WOTTPI says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:26
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
You raise an interesting dilema, especially for Celtic fans.
Early round League Cup ties hold very little interest for fans. Even at Celtic Park v SPL opposition the attendance can be low (i.e League Cup Round 3 CELTIC F.C. 6 INVERNESS CALEDONIAN THISTLE F.C. 0 ,Wednesday, 22 September 2010 Kick-off: 19:45 | Attendance: 17,547)
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Something which has to be taken into account with the league cup is the timing.
Celtic have announced that the top tier will be closed for the Raith Rovers match and tickets will be priced at £12.
The price for the Champions league ties is also payable now at £84.
The season ticket money is still being paid and another payment is due.
There is only so many times you can go to the same well.
There is no reason to hurry through early rounds of the league cup, then it sits doing nothing till March, spread it out and they may get more coverage.
Some teams later on may wish for a cup competition to escape league failings.
If a game against The Rangers came up either at Celtic Park or Ibrox, or indeed Hampden, I am sure there will be no boycott from either set of fans.
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When are The Rangers Tribute Act up on disciplinary charges for the sectarian and racist chanting by their fans? They have been heard clearly at every single game they have played in since they started life as a Football Club. You would think the response …….. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
The previous reason that the sfa took no action against RFC when their fans sung this offensive bile was that they deemed the club to have done all it could to stamp out and discourage this type of behaviour. Yes i know, a bit wishy washy from the sfa on that one.
However i wonder how much time and effort has been spent by this new club to rid themselves of this shame support.
A simple, “your fans having been singing banned and offensive songs at games since you took over mr green, can you provide me with evidence of steps you have taken to stop this type of behaviour” question put to him by the sfa should be all thst is required for either action to be taken against the club or not.
Could you please look into this mr ogilvie, or would you be conflicted on this one too? Maybe so, after all you did work there during the sectarian signing policy.
I just wish Hector would hurry the hell up and deliver the final knockout blow.
Then, and only then, will Sevco have to face up to what they have done (after all, they do claim to be the same club…..) as we all know the MSM and SFA would rather just pretend it never happened in the first place. It is quite worrying how quiet it’s got on the whole EBT front.
Read on here yesterday that it might be late this month but there’s been so many false dawns before so I won’t believe it till I see it!
FTT(T): The Rangers FC PLC are guilty. They owe HMRC millions of pounds
Charles Green: Nowt t’ do wi’ us.
BDO: Charles. Excuse us. Since you’re the ‘same club’ and you’ve had your membership transferred by the SFA, we wouldn’t mind an attempt at setting a new precedent and establishing some new case law for insolvency cases. We think it’s worth a go.
Charles Green: Eee, what do thee mean?
BDO: Well, if you’re the same club, you can pay HMRC back the millions of pounds you’re owe.
Charles Green: Eee bah gum. we’re t’ new club!
Chris Graham: screams.
BDO: Charles, you can’t have it both ways. If you’re a new club, fair enough. However, if that’s the case, you are trading far too close to the Rangers Football Club Plc.
Duff & Phelps: …but that is now known as RFC 2012!!
Lord Hodge: Oi. You. Shut it. You’re in enough trouble. everyone knows why you did that.
BDO: So, what’s it to be, Charles?
Charles Green: Well bugger me. I’ll have t’ sell t’ assets now, there’ll be nay point having no club called t’ Rangers.
The Blue Knights: Hello there.
The SFA: Hello Brian.
The Blue Knights: What can we do to sort this mess out, guys?
The SFA: Whatever we can get away with.
BDO: Sorry guys. The game’s up.
Charles Green: Looks like it’s t’ Tesco after all, eeeee.
Some people have spent the last few days talking about Templeton’s transfer as if it was important,then a few hours worrying about the language used on here,saying that some of it brings us down to Sevco’s fans level,rubbish. Travelling round the country singing sectarian songs to a new audience,who welcomed you in the first place,threatening announcers for having a laugh,threatening reporters for taking an interview,supporting a club that threatens the very fabric of free speech,threatening to burn down a football stadium,and people on here trying to compare a wee rant on a blog with all of that.Get a grip people,it’s frustration with us, it’s serious with them.
BartinMain says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:20
Mentioning Brian Kennedy without also mentioning “quantum”. For shame! 🙁
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Fara says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:13
Ordinary Fan on September 5, 2012 at 12:46
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When are The Rangers Tribute Act up on disciplinary charges for the sectarian and racist chanting by their fans? They have been heard clearly at every single game they have played in since they started life as a Football Club. You would think the response …….. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
The previous reason that the sfa took no action against RFC when their fans sung this offensive bile was that they deemed the club to have done all it could to stamp out and discourage this type of behaviour. Yes i know, a bit wishy washy from the sfa on that one.
However i wonder how much time and effort has been spent by this new club to rid themselves of this shame support.
A simple, “your fans having been singing banned and offensive songs at games since you took over mr green, can you provide me with evidence of steps you have taken to stop this type of behaviour” question put to him by the sfa should be all thst is required for either action to be taken against the club or not.
Could you please look into this mr ogilvie, or would you be conflicted on this one too? Maybe so, after all you did work there during the sectarian signing policy.
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When you’ve bent over backwards this far you wouldn’t spoil it just because of some “banter” The police may continue to make a couple of token arrests away from Ibrox but in reality there is no desire from either the SFA or the Government to stamp this out. If you can’t hear 24,000 voices at Hampden you’ve no chance of hearing 4,000 at Berwick or anywhere else.
Add it to the list.
Bartin Main @13.20,
Chris Graham screams, love it.
easyJambo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:33
It may have been that the apparent delay on the last day of the window was down to discussions on contract terms rather than the deal with Hearts.
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Until he agrees terms there is no contract or am I showing my ignorance?
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:03
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Midnight was the start of a registration embargo.
Whether Templeton “trasferred” or not, what business Hearts did with Rangers and how much money was involved is irrelevant. The players contracts with either Hearts or Rangers is irrelevant
If he was not registered with Rangers prior to midnight then the SFA should not have processed the registration. If they did then they have broken their own sanction.
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September 5, 2012 at 13:17
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I just wish Hector would hurry the hell up and deliver the final knockout blow.
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HMRC have no control over the tribunal or when it releases it’s results.
Alex Cox says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:44
If he was not registered with Rangers prior to midnight then the SFA should not have processed the registration. If they did then they have broken their own sanction.
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I would tend to agree with you except for the fact that the SFA possess the greatest ever football administrator and I am sure that he would be well aware of all the rights and wrongs of the situation.
Could it be that the Templeton signing was more than 5 minutes late ?
From the Scotsman:-
Transfer deadline day – as it happened
Published on Saturday 1 September 2012 01:18
01.09am: Many thanks for sticking with us, that’s us off for the night.
01.08am: It’s official – David Templeton has left Hearts to sign for Rangers. The 23-year-old’s departure has been confirmed on Hearts’ official website. They also confirm Rangers’ bid for Ryan McGowan, which the club say the player turned down.
01.00am: Templeton situation still remains unclear – the SFA are reported to have received the necessary paperwork before the midnight deadline, but it is understood that a computer crash at the SFL has left everyone, including us, in the dark. Which seems appropriate, given the hour.
00.08am: …And that’s it, all windows shut now. Still no official word on Templeton/Rangers.
Alex Cox: Apologies, my wording was incorrect. The difference is important, I was getting at the same point though. The embargo starting at midnight is far more important an issue than the SFA giving them leeway as many Football Associations do in normal transfer situations. Rangers Tribute Act were not in the same position as any other Club, once the deadline had gone the sanction automatically comes into effect.
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:52
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Agreed.
It’s all very well people talking about a bit of leeway, and club’s being allowed to be a few minutes late.
However we are discussing an SFA sanction, a 12 months registration ban, something which I believe is unprcedented in Scottish football, for an offence which was described as just short of match fixing if I remember correctly.
A wee bit of leeway is not acceptable in these circumstances. If the registration ban had started then it had started, why papers were late, if they were, is really irrelevant.
There was a team once that didn’t bother sending contract details to the relevant authorities for 10-15 years. Unbelievable I know, but true.
Next to that, the authorities have probably taken the view that getting the details required, but a few minutes late, is a massive improvement.
Let’s hope the trust they have in this new club providing all the details is not misplaced…….
To be honest, I’m not overly concerned about Templeton’s move. It DID suit all parties involved, and in fact all it has really gained The Rangers is some short-lived, extremely misguided bragging rights. And don’t forget those attempting to brag about this team being “a big draw” will probably not see it as a draw at all in a few months.
The plucky new club will probably win promotion with or without Templeton, as far as I can see he is just an additional drain on their resources that they ultimately don’t need.
All in all, it’s nothing compared to the fast-tracking that is being drip-fed to the media to lessen the shock value when it is actually proposed. That is where attention needs to be focussed. The new club should not be back knocking on the SPL door for three years, no exception.
Tic 6709 says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:21
Travelling round the country singing sectarian songs to a new audience,who welcomed you in the first place,
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There was a prominent post on RM noting a new fanzine issue out in time for the game against “Elgin Shitty”.
How to win friends etc etc.
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:01
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
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Is he not far too late with that??
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:11
Take your point but I think we both agree that while it has to be taken into account it is not the timing that is the main issue, it is the quality/reputation of the opposition that dictates the crowd along with the prestige of the league or cup competition.
A League Cup third round against T’Rangers in whatever form, would be a full house.
CL nights will be a full house.
As you say despite all the talk of boycotts and the like form all sides an ‘Old Firm’ game will still get a big crowd.
Fans Against Corruption says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:58
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In summary, ignore the SFA breaching a sanction which they themselves imposed.
Do that and you are as well not bothering with a place like this.
If the SFA did nothing wrong and the papers were there on time, fine. If however the papers were late and the SFA ignored this and still processed the registration then that really is worth looking into.
This is not about Rangers or Hearts, it is about the potential corruption within the SFA. It is about them breaching their own sanction to facilitate a club. That is not a minor issue in my opinion.
Fans Against Corruption says
If by a miracle, the SFA acts to void the registration, is it the case that the deal would still be in place, with Hearts still owed money, (the contract being signed), but the the player can’t play until the embargo ends?
Tough on the player, tough on TRFC, but tough, thats the rules, try living with them for a change!
Buteo Buteo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:59
On the BBC Sport website under Scottish Premier League to the left of the League Table are stories in pictures. The Middle one is tagged “Rangers: The Players’ Moves” Seems they can’t accept Rangers now play in the 4th tier of Scottish football
Further to above I have sent the following e-mail as a complaint to the BBC:-
On the Scottish Premier League page to left of League table in stories in pictures is an article about Rangers Players’ Moves. This belongs on the page relating to the Scottish Third Division as that is where the team in question plies their trade. I hope you can amend these pages to ensure accurate reporting.
Thank you
From the original transfer of membership agreement, this was one of the conditions:
“Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)’s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs.”
So, they actually had 59 seconds past the midnight deadline before the embargo took effect.
Does anyone usually actually announce that the window is clos
… ed?
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campsiejoe says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:50
01.00am: Templeton situation still remains unclear – the SFA are reported to have received the necessary paperwork before the midnight deadline, but it is understood that a computer crash at the SFL has left everyone, including us, in the dark. Which seems appropriate, given the hour.
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Which one counts as registered the SFA or the SFL?
The SFA has set the embargo “on player registrations”, therefore I would assume it was the SFA.
It was also the SFA who vetoed Daniel Cousin being registered, therefore again the SFA.
A computer crash means what?? Maybe the SFL server shuts for backup purposes at 00:00 every night, maybe that was why nothing could be accepted between this time and 01:00 hrs.
Smallteaser, why have you got Chris McLaughlin as your wee avatar thing. Just lucky?
Let us put this in perspective
My father is a retired miner – he is not a huge football fan but watches it if it is on. He only ever attended when he could persuade no one else to take me when I was younger. He is living on a pension and has to pay the other month for dental work.
Now with 130 million, could we have been able to give free dental care for OAPs? Could we have given OAPs another 40 quid for the winter heating allowance?
Could we have given free school meals for the very needy children who eat nothing but cheap food with little vitamin value at night?
There was a large scale fraud – yes – it cost everyone in Scotland – 90% of whom don’t care about football or any team.
Fraud is committed when someone is able to do something that they shoudl not be able to.
My point is – there is a point getting angry at SDM – and perhaps BOS and HBOS for enabling the scheme – but all rules and regulations for the SFA/SPL/SFL are there to do what?
Detect and enable any breach of regulations to be identified and punished.
My anger has now subsided a little at the old defunt club. I have moments when CG is rubbing it in my face about being debt free and a world dominance – but the fans of his club have to hold him accountable for their money.
For my money that has been wasted I need to know who was accountible for that error in detecting the fraud.
Was it SFA/SPL who did not care about the dual contracts? If this had been detected in 2004, we woudl not be down the road now.
Was it BOS/HBOS who loaned him money knowing the loaned money was being used to pay another loan back (try paying your mortgage with a credit card and you will see hwo that works out!)?
Was it the Govt who tried to delay the administration process last year meaning Hector could not get his (or our) money back?
Where were the checks and balances that we expect in our legal system?
What is the point of regulations if nothing is detected?
What changes NEED to happen to ensure no repeat?
And who looked the other way while it happened………….
That is the channel of my anger now………
FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:
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Falkirk re rangers money allowing him to sign rather than sell ,creep,if he told the truth he would be like Green and calling it ,if their fans had filled ibrox on the night that they said they would ,we could have brought in more players,they have cheated us out of £150k,they do,do walking away
Fixed that for the Herald
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Hurrah for the good ship Rangers, the Robin Hood of Scottish football.
This kind of story is one of the things that totally hack me off. What about looking at the reverse side of this. If Rangers had been held properly to account, and the signing ban had been implemented as should have been, there is a fair chance that Falkirk would have beaten them in both the Ramsdens and League Cup. Now what effect would that have had on their finances. At least two extra games, one of which was guaranteed to be against SPL opposition.
Why don’t the SFL clubs just go the whole hog and have a “sponsored by Sevco” slogan on their jersey’s.
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
If Wee Eck wont tell us what he said to Hector perhaps its time to lobby the Tories and Labour parties to push him for the details.
If this is how an independant Scotland is shaping up, then I’ll be voting to maintain the status quo, and I will be telling my SNP MSP just that.
If the brotherhood are allowed to pull this off then its a sad day to be a Scot, at least you know where you stand with Westminster.
midcalderan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:47
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:33
Danish Pastry and the Glen,
With you totally on this. And to those fans on here, mainly Celtic (it seems), who indulge in that stuff, it’s not needed.
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Me too.
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I have posted before that I am a Celtic fan in a family of Rangers fans – I became a Celtic fan due to idolising a wee ginger haired winger with his socks around his ankles. After that King Kenny became my idol – and by then I was hooked.
Just because of my support for Celtic, I was insulted by others especially because I did not fit their view of what a “normal” Celtic fan should be – I did not go to a school with a saints name nor did I have any connection with Ireland or any other pigeon hole idea that others have for supporters of Celtic. I was told many times that they could not understand me supporting them.
My point is – everyone has their reasons for supporting a team – not everyone is what others expect.
Please avoid the assumptions that if you are not with us, you are against us – leave that for George Bush – many of us have a common link – the love of football, fair play and equal footing/standing for everyone. If we use these common links, we will find more commanility.
Leave the insults for less deserving places – thanks!
I totally see Neal’s point but the reason that so much comment concerns RFC(IA) and The Rangers is that these are the entities that have caused all the problems, who have broken all the rules, had special favours granted to them and been allowed to get away blue murder!
What other teams have behaved in this fashion. What other teams have been given as much slack by the SFA/SFL/SPL etc?
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
So if Elgin call a foul…in theory if we follow that through it would be a 3 nil automatic defeat and a 3 point deduction in league points…THE Rangers would appeal…and possibly end up in the CoS once they exhaust the SFA channels…they would have the choice leave Templeton out..or continue to defy and play him…this would..
Wouldn’t it be fun for this to run for a few games before the playing of Templeton was challenged…thus leading to a greater number of games involved…
I doubt this will go anywhere if I’m honest…
On the Templeton thing – it has been a surprise that Brechin never asked about the registrations – given that Sevco were only a temporary member, who were the players registered to? Plus the trialists?
Wonder if SFA have bent the rules so much that they are scared to say to CG now that he has to behave otherwise they fear he may spill the beans…..
The charge that he was foudn guilty of was actually against his club – so his rant that he claims they believed his nonsense would have to a lesser mortal meant another charge.
Yet SFA keeps stumm…………
The registration of players, 5 way agreement to have football debts paid and so called transfer embargos all point to one thing
The game is still corrupt to this day.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
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The following caught my eye..
“The Scottish Football Association has confirmed to BBC Scotland that a CONDITIONAL club membership has been registered by Charles Green’s Sevco (Scotland) Ltd, and for SPORTING PURPOSES the organisation will be referred to as “Rangers Football Club”. The company formerly known as “The Rangers Football Club PLC” is currently in administration and will inevitably be liquidated”…
1. What are the conditions?
2. What rules are in place at the SFA to issue a CONDITIONAL membership to a Company?
2. What sporting purposes would they be?
It sort of suggests the BBC are happy to accept any nonsense provided to them without challenging the source…very un-BBC like don’t you think?
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:27
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
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Ok I’ll bite first
If everyone was so happy to do the deal – then why not do it Friday morning? Make sure it is done in a timely manner. Why wait until the last minute knowing that there was a “door slammed shut”?
So your premise is already cooked.
Templeton wanted more money and was not so happy to sign
Until he got offerred more
That is why the delay
However T’Rangers broke 2 rules – the transfer window and the transfer embargo.
Not sure how corruption is “all for the good of Scottish football” unless you are a recipient.
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:18
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:04
Can we get off the “my name is wanyama67 (use anyone that fits) and I am a celtaholic” posts.
If someone doesn’t like the tone of the site, don’t read it.
If you want to discuss the content feel free and critice individuals if required.
There is enough moderation ongoing around here without any more.
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:33
Ok I’ll bite first
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You sure did, and my tongue is still inserted in my cheek.
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FIFA says:
September 5, 2012 at 06:
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Prior to T’Rangers being in Div 3 in any one season Falkirk had the potential to draw Rangers twice in one season in both Scottish Cup and League Cup.
The only difference this season is that they have had the ‘luck’ of drawing them early in two of the three cups T’Rangers will be playing in and this brought in unplanned income before the transfer window closed.
Nothing to see here sir, now move along please.
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:15
Well said invisible line, This Templeton thing is interesting. He was not registered properly full stop.
He is an illegal player. Game awarded to opponents.Any game he plays in will result in the game being awarded to Servco’s opponents. Check it out with UEFA.
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September 5, 2012 at 08:55
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Moral high ground? Rangers? Oxymoronic.
Celtic? Hateful? I wonder. Very angry and disgusted. Hate is the converse of love and requires an incredible level of emotion. No love lost, but not ‘hate’.
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Miky….thank you for the most accurate description of the word “hate”…which has sadly infested relations across the known world, particularly in the West of Scotland, the results being visible in the posts from bloggers who have left, partly, at least, on account of it.
If only these sentiments were known and more widely appreciated, perhaps this blog would not have to exist.
Not off topic either…fellow bloggers.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
Rather interesting use of the word purportedly, relating to Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, the Albion St car park, the player registrations and the club’s membership of the Scottish Football Association and share in the Scottish Premier League.
Definition – accepted as true on inconclusive grounds.
Could it be the Beeb are investigating such claims as we speak.
The Templeton issue – clearly his signing breaks both the transfer deadline and the embargo. No other club would have been allowed to do this. Will we get anywhere with it? .
No.
1. No-one in the MSM will ask the question
2. No club will complain for fear of reprisals
3. Their very existence destroys the fabric ( I would use integrity but it could be misconstrued) of the assication. It now has no rules which pertain to this club.
Game over
CW says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:39
Here’s a clue why the Scottish Sun didn’t want to risk losing fans of sevco as a demographic. Prob is they don’t know how many fans of other teams they may now lose….
http://blogs.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8948
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Notice it makes use of the words “readership” and “readers” which makes the figures look quite good. But isn’t it the case that journals use these terms to refer to all readers regardless of whether they buy the paper – and “circulation” is the word for actual sales of papers?
(Assuming I’m correct and if I@m not someone here will quickly correct me) I don’t know what assumptions are made that this is based on but I’d guess fairly elastic ones and the actual circulation is much lower than the figures given here.
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:44
The Invisible Line says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:15
Well said invisible line, This Templeton thing is interesting. He was not registered properly full stop.
He is an illegal player. Game awarded to opponents.Any game he plays in will result in the game being awarded to Servco’s opponents. Check it out with UEFA.
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I’m sure UEFA will accept the “Glitch” story.It’s easier than actually doing anything.I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
Maybe we should be mailing every chairman in Div 3 and asking them what their clubs position is wrt playing against a team with an ineligible player.
As some posters have mentioned before,until we can get this story mainstream,we’ll always be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.Obvious routes online are through Twitter & Facebook.The established media will be more difficult though.We need a recognised face(I said before that Stuart Cosgrove would great but I don’t think he’d do it).
Any ideas.
TSFM,
Do you think it would be worth approaching Mr Cosgove and asking if he’d be willing to write a guest blog for us?.
Unfortunately the Templeton 5 minutes after the deadline signing issue will never be resolved to some peoples satisfaction.
I have been involved in submitting tenders over the years and generally there is no leeway but sometimes they have been accepted after a deadline due to a variety of reasons.
It really comes down to the parties involved being happy with the process. I am sure there may have been some jiggery pokery with other clubs on transfer deadlines in the past but we just haven’t heard about it. Equally some clubs will be able to claim that although there were unforeseen problems transfers didn’t go through because the door was slammed shut at midnight.
The main story re Templeton is that despite Sally saying he was looking for six players they were desperately scrambling around trying to get one.
The fact that it went down to the wire tends to indicate that Templeton and his agent were holding out for the best deal possible given the drop to Div 3 football just after putting in good performances against Liverpool.
The question that doesn’t seen to have been asked or followed up is why didn’t McGowan go as well. From what has been said he valued his international career more than T’Rangers shilling. However was that shilling ever big enough or were the purse string pulled tight?
Imagine what would have happened if the deal had failed (regardless of the time factor) and no-one had been brought in. This one signing just managed to keep the growling bears on side for a wee while longer.
I think Templeton has made a poor decision going to T’Rangers but it gives an indication of the state of play at Ibrox. Templeton has blown hot and cold but looks like he is in a warm period just now and while an exciting player he is not the finished article.
This is the reality of where T’Rangers are at the moment. Dumped of lot of high earners but then signed a few journey men and young lads for a bit more than they are actually worth on the open market.
The main question is will this approach be sustainable based on what we know of season ticket sales and the apparent lack of investment to date.
As I keep reminding people these guys may have signed contracts at Ibrox but what happens if others outwith Scotland come looking for Templeton or say Little. (Killie just sold a 17 year old to Everton for six figues). Will Mr Charles hold onto them for the good of the footballing side or will be sell them for the cash?
If he sells then will he bank the cash for when they can sign players again or will it be blown on something else?
A similar question needs to be asked about any monies raised via an IPO.
If Mr Charles keeps putting sustainable cash into the club for the development of the football side of things then fair play to him.
If not……………………????????????
i think there are distinct anti-Rangers terms and attitudes which are offensive “sc*m” the banned words and others have been used on here and are unacceptable.
I am not that keen on “knuckle draggers” either
We can attack the institution and its fan base for their actions with appropriate language.
So when Miki talks of ” Anti-Rangers” attitudes being acceptable I think we need to be careful how we define this. We can and must attack the actions of RFC and SEVCO and the SFA in relation to Rangers. We can question the mentality of those who sing sectarian songs, the wider denial of the fans as regards the nature of the entity they support and their denial in accepting that the club they once supported id in a state of suspended animation awaiting destruction.
I don’t think we should develop an anti – rangers mindset per se- some of the contributors on RTC and those we need this blog to reach were supporters of RFC (IA) – not certain where they stand on the SEVCO model but that should not iin any way hamper criticism of the club that is valid and evidence based., There is plenty there without resorting to abusive terminology frankly!
There is no chance of getting anywhere with the Templeton issue. Just best to chalk it to the list – the latest and actually one of the most minor of the rule breaches incurred by SEVCO and by the SFA itself throughout this saga.
Late signings are part and parcel of the process – this particular transgression is not uniquely Rangers, at least in European terms though I think it is unique in Scottish transfers but I may be wrong – and a nod and a wink has always sufficed in the past. The late transfer deal has usually suited all parties involved and you hear no more about it. Corruption and sharp practice are rife within the game especially as regards player regsitrations and transfers.
You could try contacting UEFA – but to date they have just blanked any inquiries regarding any of the shenanigans of the SFA – and a late registered player by some minutes is such small beer compared to what they have simply turned a blind eye to, to date that I suspect the response will be deafening silence..
As the BTC is being published this month, maybe some will be wanting to distance club from company even more than currently.
Maybe some will not be happy that THE Rangers is now being tarred with the same brush as Rangers.
Maybe some will refer to the old club as RFC2012 as it has changed its name.
Strange this name change did not also take the history,
Reminds me of Windscale and Sellafield, both the same, but one had better publicity than the other.
Not long to wait now, will Charles Green & McCoist be notified when the decision comes through even though they have no connection to the old company?
As the SFA will be notified 7 days in advance, expect some more shocking exposures first to cushion the blow.
Do not expect the SFA to announce the date for the Dual contracts meeting until after this has been dissected.
It appears the only way the SFA/SFL and other clubs will truly see how other fans feel is when they play t’rangers at home in an empty stadium. Is it feasible that if they beat motherwell and draw Aberdeen or Celtic away, Pittodrie or CP will be empty of home fans. I for one will not be going to any game at Cetic Park against t’rangers ..ever.
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:51
Traynor = Slug then..Slug now..Forever a Slug !
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Some great ideas last night for ways of getting access to the MSM. It’sagoal also contributing with the text number for Sportsound.
Regarding emails, for the hell of it is it worth adding a CC list, to any emails sent to SFA etc, with as many msm email addresses as possible? It would seem the only way to put the obvious questions that we are all asking in the heads of sports journos. Also some sympathetic sports reporters might actually follow up the question with the governing bodies. My apologies if people on here are already doing this and I am just stating the obvious.
Regarding texts or emails to Sportsound, would it be worthwhile agreeing on one or two important issues we want to raise every week and we mass email or text the same question. Surely that way if hundreds are raising the same question to the panelists we have more chance of it being raised.
Failing that we could organise a Flash Mob and do some whacky dance that conveys our frustrations at the governing bodies or msm. 🙂
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
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Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
StevieBC on September 4, 2012 at 22:41 20 0 Rate This
Some great ideas last night for ways of getting access to the MSM. It’sagoal also contributing with the text number for Sportsound.
Regarding emails, for the hell of it is it worth adding a CC list, to any emails sent to SFA etc, with as many msm email addresses as possible? It would seem the only way to put the obvious questions that we are all asking in the heads of sports journos. Also some sympathetic sports reporters might actually follow up the question with the governing bodies. My apologies if people on here are already doing this and I am just stating the obvious.
Regarding texts or emails to Sportsound, would it be worthwhile agreeing on one or two important issues we want to raise every week and we mass email or text the same question. Surely that way if many are raising the same question to the panelists we have more chance of it being raised.
Failing that we could organise a Flash Mob and do some whacky dance that conveys our frustrations at the governing bodies or msm. 🙂
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob
Sorry posted twice as first post went into moderation for typing h**dreds!
miki/essexbean
I once heard a different take on the ‘opposite of love.’ That it is not hate. That it is actually APATHY.
To give up and to just not give a damn any more. That is the big danger IMO and already we seem to have seen bloggers walking away. I urge them to continue.
I am glad there are people on here who still care enough to write passionately. But it is important to temper that passion. Phil Mac is discovering that after his ‘incubator’ piece.
You shag one sheep…..
Goosy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:49
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Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
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And that’s the Catch 22!.
It takes the clubs to remove the officials but the clubs are,by their actions,complicit in this charade.I saddens me that we don’t seem to have one person involved with ANY club from the SPL/SFL or any official at the governing bodies willing to speak out.You are talking about hundreds of people here!.
Mr Bunny says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:10
You’re correct.
Circulation is usually bumped-up times 5 eg one bought another 4 in family read.
TSFM – a request. Every time I log-on here yet another set of rule-breaking is reported.
Any chance of compiling a list – Rules Broken both by SFA and the Govan Club(s).
And thanks for all the good work you’re doing keeping the blog going. I sure some of us here don’t know the half of what’s involved. (sook sook)
Repost due to original in moderation.TSFM,please ignore same.Used banned word.think I’d remember rules by now.
Goosy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:49
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Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:11
I fear that if the other teams in the SFL are willing to accept this cheating,for that’s what it is,then the SFA/SFL will just blank everyone until it all goes away.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Perhaps it is no more complicated than this
For decades every club board in every league has been aware of the favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC ) .
They have been so brainwashed to expect bias most of tnem don`t see it as a serious betrayal of integrity. It was just the way it is in Scotland Getting involved in exposing corrupt favouritism would risk stirring up the lunatics and causing problems fror their club
Indeed would even Turnbull Hutton have gone public if Raith Rovers had not been intimidated?
The uprising by ordinary fans against intimidation and corruption forced clubs to act . There was no other motivator.To date the alleged resentment by club chairman at the governing bodies has not resulted in any action
So we probably now have a situation where by not removing SFA and SPL officlals all clubs are complicit in not only maintaining corruption but now permitting open intimidation to determine how rules are applied to Sevco and the ex RFC loonies who follow them
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And that’s the Catch 22!.
It takes the clubs to remove the officials but the clubs are,by their actions,complicit in this charade.I saddens me that we don’t seem to have one person involved with ANY club from the SPL/SFL or any official at the governing bodies willing to speak out.You are talking about lots of people here!.
Why don’t the SFL clubs just go the whole hog and have a “sponsored by Sevco” slogan on their jersey’s.
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Beautiful. Just beautiful.
One sentence that shows what Scottish football is all about.
From the
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wednesday 5 September 2012
GENEVA:
“FIFA and UEFA said yesterday they are studying corruption allegations involving Lithuanian football federation leader Julius Kvedaras before deciding if he can remain one of their committee members.
A Lithuanian court has ordered Kvedaras to step down as LFF president for six months during a probe into whether he illegally took football funds.
Lithuanian media reports say the investigation involves project funding given by UEFA.
“FIFA and UEFA are closely following the situation and are in contact with the member association in Lithuania, and the relevant authorities,” FIFA said in a statement. “FIFA and UEFA will formalize their position after fully analyzing facts.” Kvedaras is a member of FIFA’s development committee, which allocates millions of dollars each year in project funds for national federations. It next meets Sept. 25 in Zurich.
FIFA President Sepp Blatter has pledged zero-tolerance of corruption as part of his drive to reform world football after a series of bribery and election scandals.
Kvedaras also sits on UEFA’s Football Committee, which meets Sept. 26 in Warsaw, Poland.
“We are in the process of gathering additional information on this matter,” UEFA said in a statement …”
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So some small countries can and do take action against officials, and UEFA and FIFA do pay attention the goings on. Well, well …
Ironic how the first story on SSN is a report wrt the possible illegalities of Michael Owens Stoke City FC registration.no messing with the FA/Premiership and discussion out in the open.
Maybe the SFA could…………………Na,forget it.
Donsfan says:
September 5, 2012 at 09:39
Can I suggest that complaints (General BBC) are made here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
citing factual innaccuracy in the reporting of Sevco’s Rangers.
There is no complex relationship.
Sevco bought the brand and trademarks from The Rangers Football Club plc. They did not buy the club. The Rangers Football Club plc is the club. There was no separate “club entity” to be purchased from The Rangers Football Club plc.
The SFA allowed the transfer of membership between one club and another. They did not/could not allow the transfer of a club between two different companies – which seems to be Mr Woods assertion.
If Mr Woods does not understand this, he should ask someone who does.
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug
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Bunny – you are correct re readership. As I posted on Scottish Law Thoughts is reponse to my oringial post:
Based on ABC Certificates the Scottish Sun has dropped under 300k circ for the first time, which would of course set some alam bells ringing for an editor (it was 333k in Oct 2010). I appreciate the Daily Record will try and puff themselves at the expense of their arch rival, but the reality is ALL newspapers are struggling and no editor will be thanked by their owners for alienating a sizable portion of their demographic. So I agree, it was probably a commercial decision – but I still think cowardly and certainly hypocritical to say it wasn’t the threat of a boycott that was the driving force….
When an editor loses respect of owners, staff and readers, which I do think may happen here, he’s not going to last long
Here’s an article from the end of last year re. Scottish press losing circ…
http://www.thedrum.co.uk/opinion/2011/11/14/real-shock-horror-story-inexorable-decline-scottish-daily-newspaper-sales
Newspapers need to connect with their audience to ensure survival. I rest my case.
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
You raise an interesting dilema, especially for Celtic fans.
Early round League Cup ties hold very little interest for fans. Even at Celtic Park v SPL opposition the attendance can be low (i.e League Cup Round 3 CELTIC F.C. 6 INVERNESS CALEDONIAN THISTLE F.C. 0 ,Wednesday, 22 September 2010 Kick-off: 19:45 | Attendance: 17,547)
If they do draw T’Rangers what is better?
Turning up in vast numbers in the hope of giving them a good trashing for bragging rights and unfurl a few more, hopefully humorous banners. And of course unless they work the ‘£14 programme scam, this puts cash into Mr Charles’ wallet.
OR
treat the tie like any other against a ‘lesser’ opposition from the lower divisions and go to Tesco with the wife and catch the highlights later.
For the conspiracy theorists re the Templeton transfer timing, I have been told by a source at Hearts (who definitely would know) that the deal between Hearts and TRFC was concluded at 9.30pm. However, I don’t know when the paperwork was actually submitted to the SFA and SFL.
There was no need for contract details to be provided as I’m sure that the club has two weeks to submit that information.
It may have been that the apparent delay on the last day of the window was down to discussions on contract terms rather than the deal with Hearts.
easyJambo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:33
For the conspiracy theorists re the Templeton transfer timing, I have been told by a source at Hearts (who definitely would know) that the deal between Hearts and TRFC was concluded at 9.30pm. However, I don’t know when the paperwork was actually submitted to the SFA and SFL.
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Because the clubs agreed the deal does not make it a deal, Templeton still had to agree personal terms,
The transfer fee had been agreed at 9:30, the stumbling block was salary, until Templeton put his coat on at 00:01. then the parameters changed.
When are The Rangers Tribute Act up on disciplinary charges for the sectarian and racist chanting by their fans? They have been heard clearly at every single game they have played in since they started life as a Football Club. You would think the response from the SFL and SFA would be swift and stern, nipping it in the bud, yet still nothing. What is going on? Not MORE fear dictating how the authorities deal with The Rangers Tribute Act surely? I will be emailing the SFA and SFL to ask why there is such a long delay in action being taken, I hope others will be doing the same.
On the BBC Sport website under Scottish Premier League to the left of the League Table are stories in pictures. The Middle one is tagged “Rangers: The Players’ Moves” Seems they can’t accept Rangers now play in the 4th tier of Scottish football
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
Is it feasible that if they beat motherwell and draw Aberdeen or Celtic away, Pittodrie or CP will be empty of home fans.
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No, it’s not feasible. Way too much chance of giving them an absolute hiding.
Even though we know they’re not real, it would be far too much fun to miss. 🙂
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:46
maybe ask spl how they are getting on with their investigation about the killie post admin game too.
I think the Templeton registration is a bit of a waste of time, most Football Associations allow a little bit of leeway. However I would find it difficult to believe leeway would be given on sanctions. Midnight was the start of a transfer embargo so the Tribute Act situation is surely in contravention of the sanction imposed.
WOTTPI says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:26
Dunman says:
September 5, 2012 at 11:36
You raise an interesting dilema, especially for Celtic fans.
Early round League Cup ties hold very little interest for fans. Even at Celtic Park v SPL opposition the attendance can be low (i.e League Cup Round 3 CELTIC F.C. 6 INVERNESS CALEDONIAN THISTLE F.C. 0 ,Wednesday, 22 September 2010 Kick-off: 19:45 | Attendance: 17,547)
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Something which has to be taken into account with the league cup is the timing.
Celtic have announced that the top tier will be closed for the Raith Rovers match and tickets will be priced at £12.
The price for the Champions league ties is also payable now at £84.
The season ticket money is still being paid and another payment is due.
There is only so many times you can go to the same well.
There is no reason to hurry through early rounds of the league cup, then it sits doing nothing till March, spread it out and they may get more coverage.
Some teams later on may wish for a cup competition to escape league failings.
If a game against The Rangers came up either at Celtic Park or Ibrox, or indeed Hampden, I am sure there will be no boycott from either set of fans.
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The previous reason that the sfa took no action against RFC when their fans sung this offensive bile was that they deemed the club to have done all it could to stamp out and discourage this type of behaviour. Yes i know, a bit wishy washy from the sfa on that one.
However i wonder how much time and effort has been spent by this new club to rid themselves of this shame support.
A simple, “your fans having been singing banned and offensive songs at games since you took over mr green, can you provide me with evidence of steps you have taken to stop this type of behaviour” question put to him by the sfa should be all thst is required for either action to be taken against the club or not.
Could you please look into this mr ogilvie, or would you be conflicted on this one too? Maybe so, after all you did work there during the sectarian signing policy.
I just wish Hector would hurry the hell up and deliver the final knockout blow.
Then, and only then, will Sevco have to face up to what they have done (after all, they do claim to be the same club…..) as we all know the MSM and SFA would rather just pretend it never happened in the first place. It is quite worrying how quiet it’s got on the whole EBT front.
Read on here yesterday that it might be late this month but there’s been so many false dawns before so I won’t believe it till I see it!
FTT(T): The Rangers FC PLC are guilty. They owe HMRC millions of pounds
Charles Green: Nowt t’ do wi’ us.
BDO: Charles. Excuse us. Since you’re the ‘same club’ and you’ve had your membership transferred by the SFA, we wouldn’t mind an attempt at setting a new precedent and establishing some new case law for insolvency cases. We think it’s worth a go.
Charles Green: Eee, what do thee mean?
BDO: Well, if you’re the same club, you can pay HMRC back the millions of pounds you’re owe.
Charles Green: Eee bah gum. we’re t’ new club!
Chris Graham: screams.
BDO: Charles, you can’t have it both ways. If you’re a new club, fair enough. However, if that’s the case, you are trading far too close to the Rangers Football Club Plc.
Duff & Phelps: …but that is now known as RFC 2012!!
Lord Hodge: Oi. You. Shut it. You’re in enough trouble. everyone knows why you did that.
BDO: So, what’s it to be, Charles?
Charles Green: Well bugger me. I’ll have t’ sell t’ assets now, there’ll be nay point having no club called t’ Rangers.
The Blue Knights: Hello there.
The SFA: Hello Brian.
The Blue Knights: What can we do to sort this mess out, guys?
The SFA: Whatever we can get away with.
BDO: Sorry guys. The game’s up.
Charles Green: Looks like it’s t’ Tesco after all, eeeee.
Some people have spent the last few days talking about Templeton’s transfer as if it was important,then a few hours worrying about the language used on here,saying that some of it brings us down to Sevco’s fans level,rubbish. Travelling round the country singing sectarian songs to a new audience,who welcomed you in the first place,threatening announcers for having a laugh,threatening reporters for taking an interview,supporting a club that threatens the very fabric of free speech,threatening to burn down a football stadium,and people on here trying to compare a wee rant on a blog with all of that.Get a grip people,it’s frustration with us, it’s serious with them.
BartinMain says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:20
Mentioning Brian Kennedy without also mentioning “quantum”. For shame! 🙁
😉
Fara says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:13
Ordinary Fan on September 5, 2012 at 12:46
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When are The Rangers Tribute Act up on disciplinary charges for the sectarian and racist chanting by their fans? They have been heard clearly at every single game they have played in since they started life as a Football Club. You would think the response …….. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
The previous reason that the sfa took no action against RFC when their fans sung this offensive bile was that they deemed the club to have done all it could to stamp out and discourage this type of behaviour. Yes i know, a bit wishy washy from the sfa on that one.
However i wonder how much time and effort has been spent by this new club to rid themselves of this shame support.
A simple, “your fans having been singing banned and offensive songs at games since you took over mr green, can you provide me with evidence of steps you have taken to stop this type of behaviour” question put to him by the sfa should be all thst is required for either action to be taken against the club or not.
Could you please look into this mr ogilvie, or would you be conflicted on this one too? Maybe so, after all you did work there during the sectarian signing policy.
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When you’ve bent over backwards this far you wouldn’t spoil it just because of some “banter” The police may continue to make a couple of token arrests away from Ibrox but in reality there is no desire from either the SFA or the Government to stamp this out. If you can’t hear 24,000 voices at Hampden you’ve no chance of hearing 4,000 at Berwick or anywhere else.
Add it to the list.
Bartin Main @13.20,
Chris Graham screams, love it.
easyJambo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:33
It may have been that the apparent delay on the last day of the window was down to discussions on contract terms rather than the deal with Hearts.
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Until he agrees terms there is no contract or am I showing my ignorance?
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:03
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Midnight was the start of a registration embargo.
Whether Templeton “trasferred” or not, what business Hearts did with Rangers and how much money was involved is irrelevant. The players contracts with either Hearts or Rangers is irrelevant
If he was not registered with Rangers prior to midnight then the SFA should not have processed the registration. If they did then they have broken their own sanction.
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September 5, 2012 at 13:17
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I just wish Hector would hurry the hell up and deliver the final knockout blow.
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HMRC have no control over the tribunal or when it releases it’s results.
Alex Cox says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:44
If he was not registered with Rangers prior to midnight then the SFA should not have processed the registration. If they did then they have broken their own sanction.
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I would tend to agree with you except for the fact that the SFA possess the greatest ever football administrator and I am sure that he would be well aware of all the rights and wrongs of the situation.
Could it be that the Templeton signing was more than 5 minutes late ?
From the Scotsman:-
Transfer deadline day – as it happened
Published on Saturday 1 September 2012 01:18
01.09am: Many thanks for sticking with us, that’s us off for the night.
01.08am: It’s official – David Templeton has left Hearts to sign for Rangers. The 23-year-old’s departure has been confirmed on Hearts’ official website. They also confirm Rangers’ bid for Ryan McGowan, which the club say the player turned down.
01.00am: Templeton situation still remains unclear – the SFA are reported to have received the necessary paperwork before the midnight deadline, but it is understood that a computer crash at the SFL has left everyone, including us, in the dark. Which seems appropriate, given the hour.
00.08am: …And that’s it, all windows shut now. Still no official word on Templeton/Rangers.
Alex Cox: Apologies, my wording was incorrect. The difference is important, I was getting at the same point though. The embargo starting at midnight is far more important an issue than the SFA giving them leeway as many Football Associations do in normal transfer situations. Rangers Tribute Act were not in the same position as any other Club, once the deadline had gone the sanction automatically comes into effect.
Ordinary Fan says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:52
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Agreed.
It’s all very well people talking about a bit of leeway, and club’s being allowed to be a few minutes late.
However we are discussing an SFA sanction, a 12 months registration ban, something which I believe is unprcedented in Scottish football, for an offence which was described as just short of match fixing if I remember correctly.
A wee bit of leeway is not acceptable in these circumstances. If the registration ban had started then it had started, why papers were late, if they were, is really irrelevant.
There was a team once that didn’t bother sending contract details to the relevant authorities for 10-15 years. Unbelievable I know, but true.
Next to that, the authorities have probably taken the view that getting the details required, but a few minutes late, is a massive improvement.
Let’s hope the trust they have in this new club providing all the details is not misplaced…….
To be honest, I’m not overly concerned about Templeton’s move. It DID suit all parties involved, and in fact all it has really gained The Rangers is some short-lived, extremely misguided bragging rights. And don’t forget those attempting to brag about this team being “a big draw” will probably not see it as a draw at all in a few months.
The plucky new club will probably win promotion with or without Templeton, as far as I can see he is just an additional drain on their resources that they ultimately don’t need.
All in all, it’s nothing compared to the fast-tracking that is being drip-fed to the media to lessen the shock value when it is actually proposed. That is where attention needs to be focussed. The new club should not be back knocking on the SPL door for three years, no exception.
Tic 6709 says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:21
Travelling round the country singing sectarian songs to a new audience,who welcomed you in the first place,
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There was a prominent post on RM noting a new fanzine issue out in time for the game against “Elgin Shitty”.
How to win friends etc etc.
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:01
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
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Is he not far too late with that??
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:11
Take your point but I think we both agree that while it has to be taken into account it is not the timing that is the main issue, it is the quality/reputation of the opposition that dictates the crowd along with the prestige of the league or cup competition.
A League Cup third round against T’Rangers in whatever form, would be a full house.
CL nights will be a full house.
As you say despite all the talk of boycotts and the like form all sides an ‘Old Firm’ game will still get a big crowd.
Fans Against Corruption says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:58
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In summary, ignore the SFA breaching a sanction which they themselves imposed.
Do that and you are as well not bothering with a place like this.
If the SFA did nothing wrong and the papers were there on time, fine. If however the papers were late and the SFA ignored this and still processed the registration then that really is worth looking into.
This is not about Rangers or Hearts, it is about the potential corruption within the SFA. It is about them breaching their own sanction to facilitate a club. That is not a minor issue in my opinion.
Fans Against Corruption says
If by a miracle, the SFA acts to void the registration, is it the case that the deal would still be in place, with Hearts still owed money, (the contract being signed), but the the player can’t play until the embargo ends?
Tough on the player, tough on TRFC, but tough, thats the rules, try living with them for a change!
Buteo Buteo says:
September 5, 2012 at 12:59
On the BBC Sport website under Scottish Premier League to the left of the League Table are stories in pictures. The Middle one is tagged “Rangers: The Players’ Moves” Seems they can’t accept Rangers now play in the 4th tier of Scottish football
Further to above I have sent the following e-mail as a complaint to the BBC:-
On the Scottish Premier League page to left of League table in stories in pictures is an article about Rangers Players’ Moves. This belongs on the page relating to the Scottish Third Division as that is where the team in question plies their trade. I hope you can amend these pages to ensure accurate reporting.
Thank you
From the original transfer of membership agreement, this was one of the conditions:
“Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)’s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs.”
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=10252
So, they actually had 59 seconds past the midnight deadline before the embargo took effect.
Does anyone usually actually announce that the window is clos
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campsiejoe says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:50
01.00am: Templeton situation still remains unclear – the SFA are reported to have received the necessary paperwork before the midnight deadline, but it is understood that a computer crash at the SFL has left everyone, including us, in the dark. Which seems appropriate, given the hour.
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Which one counts as registered the SFA or the SFL?
The SFA has set the embargo “on player registrations”, therefore I would assume it was the SFA.
It was also the SFA who vetoed Daniel Cousin being registered, therefore again the SFA.
A computer crash means what?? Maybe the SFL server shuts for backup purposes at 00:00 every night, maybe that was why nothing could be accepted between this time and 01:00 hrs.
Smallteaser, why have you got Chris McLaughlin as your wee avatar thing. Just lucky?