1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
Angus says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:19
From the original transfer of membership agreement, this was one of the conditions:
“Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)’s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs.”
So, they actually had 59 seconds past the midnight deadline before the embargo took effect.
Does anyone usually actually announce that the window is clos
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I suppose to be totally accurate, as Glasgow is somewhat west of Greenwich, it was probably before midnight when the paperwork was completed. If only those pesky railwaymen and sailors hadn’t brought in time zones.
Bring back local time 😀
Gie’s a gonk says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:27
Smallteaser, why have you got Chris McLaughlin as your wee avatar thing. Just lucky?
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I have been thumbed down, chastised, torn a new one on here and at RTC but THAT is the limit.
How dare you come on here and cyber bully me. TSFM please get that avatar changed!!!
LOL
smallteaser @14:24
I’ve got no idea, but I don’t think anyone believes a single word spoken by any of the main players in this fiasco
There is now a stench of mistrust surrounding the ruling bodies, which when coupled with the obvious favouritism shown by them to one team, makes their position is untenable
Alex Cox says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:08
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Fans Against Corruption says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:58
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In summary, ignore the SFA breaching a sanction which they themselves imposed.
Do that and you are as well not bothering with a place like this.
If the SFA did nothing wrong and the papers were there on time, fine. If however the papers were late and the SFA ignored this and still processed the registration then that really is worth looking into.
This is not about Rangers or Hearts, it is about the potential corruption within the SFA. It is about them breaching their own sanction to facilitate a club. That is not a minor issue in my opinion
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I guess that’s what Campbell “GREATEST FOOTBALL ADMINISTRATOR EVER!!!” Ogilvie is there for. 😉
With the Motherwell League Cup game being shown “live” what a perfect time for the “well” fans to snub ipox
Was thinking that maybe the FTTT has been delayed on purpose by HMRC in order to give CG time to launch the phoenix club and lay claim to oldco history etc so that once the decision is released there will be enough proof out there for HMRC to claim newco are oldco and go after them for the cash! It really does seem to have taken an age for the decision and still we wait….
Why have following people disappeared off the face of the planet.
1. Sir David Murray
2.Charles White
3. Martin Bain
4. Dave King
5. Paul Murray
6.Campbell Ogilve
7. John Brown
8. Brian Kennedy
9. Alastair Johnston
10. John Mclelland
Too many othe minor participants to list in detail.
As Fat Sally would say (where are these people)
Silence spaks volumes!!
a good few of the names on that list will be searching for a safe haven that does`nt have an extradition treaty with the uk ,also a few will be moving all their wealth away from uk eyes
So if Hearts were happy at 9:30pm and it then went down to the wire on Templeton’s personal terms anyone want a guess to what they might be as neither they or the price have been reported as far as I am aware (though I could have easily missed it)?
Surely more than the supposed £5k per week for Ian Black.
Every £5k per week is at least £260k a year on the wage bill.
Also no mention of the previously reported insentive of paying up the remaining fee for Wallace as part of the deal.
So is that cool half mill still needing to be held in the bank by next July?
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:13
Just to give you a full team of 11 and a few subs you could add
11. Sir Cardigan
12. Graeme Souness
and on the fringes of the squad
13. Alex McLeish
Angus @ 14.04 Cheers Angus,what can you say ?.
Alex Cox @ 14.08.You are wrong that the issue has nothing to do with Sevco or Hearts,it has Everything to do with Sevco,do you honestly think any other club would get away with this,as for
” it is about the potential corruption within the SFA” Potential? are you kidding.the place Reeks of corruption,we have been witness to the most blatant corruption concerning Sevco since the 14th Feb.
WOTTPI says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:24
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:13
Just to give you a full team of 11 and a few subs you could add
11. Sir Cardigan
12. Graeme Souness
and on the fringes of the squad
13. Alex McLeish
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Lets be impartial here,
14. Alex Thompson
15. Mark Daly
16. Lord Nimmo
17. Lord Hodge
18. Craig Whyte
19. TicketUs
20. Duff & Phelps.
If anyone wants to know what’s happening – delays, rule-bending, manipulative groupings, then they need look no further than the Speculative Society, a grouping of Scotland’s high and mighty.
I have now received replies from BBC Radio Scotland to a letter I sent on 26th JUNE ( by jings, they do deal quickly with their correspondence!). I posted the letter on the ( I think it was still the RTC) blog at the time.
The first reply is from Ewan Angus, Head of Sport, and is dated 17th August.
” Dear Mr…..
I refer to your letter of 26th June and follow up of 6th August regarding coverage on BBC Radio Scotland of the unfolding story at Rangers Football Club. You assert thatour reporters and presenters did not have a proper grasp of the details of the story and you also believe that bias was in evidence.
We use a range of contributors across our output with a view to delivering lively and informed debate alongside the imparting of information. This has been a complex story at times, including a fair amount of misinformation, but I am satisfied that our journalists and pundits have conducted themselves in an appropriate manner and have never knowingly misled our audiences and jave certainly never been allowed to pursue personal agendas.
I am sorry that you have found the need to call into question our impartiality and our grasp of the details of this story but I cannot accept that this has been the case.
Your comments on BBC Scotland’s news reporting will be address in a separate letter by John Boothman, head of News and Current Affairs.
Yours sincerely,
Ewan Angus,
Head of Sport, BBC Scotland.”
The second , somewhat patronisingly dismissive reply, is indeed from Mr Boothman.It is dated 3rd September, and reads as follows:
“Dear Mr
Thank you for getting in touch about Radio Scotland’s news coverage of Rangers.
You make a number of assertions. I would like to say whether or not I agree with them but,as I find it difficult to detect any substance in your general remarks, we will have to let the matter rest at that point.
I am satisfied that we have more than met our obligations to the listening public in providing some of the best coverage in Scotland, fully in accord with our Editorial Guidelines and the principles of public service broadcasting.
The Rangers saga is a highly complex, fast-moving story which at every turn we have reported thoroughly and responsibly. That is what our audience expects and that is what we have done.
Yours sincerely,
John Boothman
Head of News and Current Affairs.”
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There would be little point in my trying to reply to those letters. Boothman is clearly out of the same mould as the Jabbas of the media world, and, perhaps, is not too different from Davies of the ‘Sun’ – very careful not to risk offending certain people.
But what’s new in that in Scottish civic life?
Mr Bunny says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:04
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:01
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
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Is he not far too late with that??
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Not if he is halway through his version of Succulent Lamb
Look out for more quotable quotes from JT that are probably already in the draft book but havent been made yet
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
I have now received replies from BBC Radio Scotland to a letter I sent on 26th JUNE ( by jings, they do deal quickly with their correspondence!). I posted the letter on the ( I think it was still the RTC) blog at the time…..
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John,
The responses display an arrogance and complacency that seems quite fitting when taken with RFC/Sevco being the subject matter.
I’m unsure just what has to be put to these people to get them to admit that there have been failings in their organisations.
I’m also unsure whether they are adopting an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ or ‘Ministry of Truth’ managerial approach. Asserting that everything is fine, move along now, is clearly inadequate on any reasonable investigation of the facts. Hopefully this may be for public consumption and action is actually taking place behind the scenes.
If however these two really believe what they are saying then someone higher up should be grabbing them by the ear and explaining what BBC standards are….
/ Red Lichtie
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:33
I do believe The Rangers follyers have decided,flushed with their success in burning the sun, that they are turning up the heat on sites like this.
They really need to be looking at who is really burning them. Their owner, and master mnipulator, a man, who a few weeks ago was shuffling around trying to avoid his new found cash cows until he learned the language and started ranting ,” Wearrapeepil! Wearrapeepil.”
Some slags’ll do anything for money.
This site, like T’Rangers themselves has been subverted by the sleekit f.o.d. That’s their way.
I think you’re starting to tilt at windmills. There are some pretty reasonable questions being asked regarding the tone and language of some contributors on here but to start talking of subversion of this site is, I think, unhelpful. I really haven’t seen it on here.
I see absolutely no good coming from going down that route and think it has the potential to discourage people offering different opinions for fear of being labelled a troll or a fan of the third division club.
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
JC, I note that the word “balanced” was never used in conjunction with “reporting” or “coverage”.
I hope the spelling errors were all your own work and not the beeb,
Could I suggest that we all stop listening & discussing what they say, it only gives them credence. I am sure some check on here to see how they are doing.
If we leave them alone I am sure they will go the same way as RR phhone in.
Goosy September 5, 2012 at 11:49 mentions decades when every club board knew of favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC.
It’s only right on TSFM that all these things are aired. Goosy, I’ve supported CFC for decades, and I’ve never been aware of any favouritism shown to the club to any degree at all by SFA/SFL/SPL. It would open my eyes to know when these instances took place.
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:37
It’s only right on TSFM that all these things are aired. Goosy, I’ve supported CFC for decades, and I’ve never been aware of any favouritism shown to the club to any degree at all by SFA/SFL/SPL. It would open my eyes to know when these instances took place.
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Sepia, If you think Celtic have NEVER had any favouritism shown, then opening your eyes would never be enough. You have to be able to see as well.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:41
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Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:37
Like Sepia, I am CFC fan of 53 years young and I too have never seen any favouritism towards Celtic by the organisations in question.
One word mate. Farry.
re. Favouritism towards Celtic.
Institutionally – no I can say Ive never known it.
On the pitch – referees are often swayed by the hollering of the much larger crowd. I’d suggest Celts have had a decent sized slice of decisions, that could swing either way, going for them, but plenty spring to mind that make no sense.
Again, institutionally … no. I also recall the Farry/ debacle in registering crystaltips.
[PS. I dont want this swinging the thread into a dodgy reffing discussion. However, Ive often considered that an equivalent of Godwin’s Law applies on football fora where eventually discussion descends into who got the most dodgy decisions – with examples!]
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
What’s the difference? I put my order in ages ago!!
Webster says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:22
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Am hearing that, if you ordered “Downfall” before midnight on Monday then Amazon legally have to deliver you a copy with the original cover even if the publishers now rush out a second, altered one.
I missed the deadline so expect my copy to be worthless in future.
There’s supposed to be a subliminal message on the first row of bricks (remember they all bought bricks?) and a figure in the clouds which is supposed to be Struth.
Seems the publishers have pulled the book to re-print the cover either that it is more marketing nonsense to sell more books.
BTW, p!shy pants has tweeted the address of the publisher apparently.
Does anyone know why The Rangers wear different socks to the ones Rangers wore??
With regard to favouritism was there not a posting some time ago where someone had analysed old firm match reports since WWII and found that controversial decisions had run in favour of the boys in blue by at least 3 to 1
Danish Pastry says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:02(Edit)
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as .
I totally agree that allowing the language of hate on here undermines the blog’s credentials. It’s more than tiresome, and posts referring to, ‘Well, look at what the other lot say’, don’t wash. You either take the high moral ground and stay there, or you get off and jump back into the gutter. This blog will never achieve respect or standing in the media if it allows itself to be used as a scratchpad for people’s personal rage.
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I think that last para from Danish should be etched on our collective conscience. We should be taking the moral high ground, and ensuring that language of the kind described above is not only unacceptable to moderators, but to us all.
Football is a game which arouses passion, and consequently we all understand when some of us get agitated over events. Right now, the blog is going through a trough as perceptions grow that justice is not being done. That is not good for passions.
Whether justice is done or not, it will make no difference to the correctness of our position; but if we allow ourselves to cross the line with unacceptable language, EVERYBODY will stop listening, and we will be left preaching to ourselves.
I think Danish has been a valuable contributor to this blog and to RTC, but I don’t think he has ever made a contribution so succinct and important as this. I hope we are all listening.
longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:21
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
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Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
Whilst D Utd have done nothing in the transfer window due to lack of funds,Sevco have been paying transfer fees,wages etc in excess of Div 3 levels.No one will raise a hand to help D Utd but more damningly,D Utd will not lift a hand to help themselves.
That’s the tragedy of this situation.
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
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I would think its certain that Celtic are also still owed their money, there has been no statement from Sevco or Celtic to say its been paid.
So even the biggest club in the country is bowing to Sevco when its fans are screaming for justice and rules to be applied.
Celtic do not want a weak Rangers.Sevco/newco playing outside the spl and will accept/agree to anything that sees their quick rise through the leagues with maybe a cup game thrown in here and there each season.
longtimelurker @ 17:21
Presumably this refers to the money owed from the cup game at Ibrox, which begs the question why are Sevco being allowed to participate in this seasons tournament
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer
Have East Fife been yet?
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
What if we all stopped paying our TV licence? Would Mr. Boothman find substance in that?
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
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longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:21
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
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Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
Whilst D Utd have done nothing in the transfer window due to lack of funds,Sevco have been paying transfer fees,wages etc in excess of Div 3 levels.No one will raise a hand to help D Utd but more damningly,D Utd will not lift a hand to help themselves.
That’s the tragedy of this situation.
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Sevco are paying wages in excess of not only the 3rd Div but Dundee Utd as well. Now thats galling.
Spanishcelt / Torrevieja
It is strange that clubs owed money from a club that must be a financial risk don’t seem to be in any rush to get paid.
Is it the fear factor?
Have they been assured / convinced by the SFA that they will get paid, but please don’t rock the boat? Wouldn’t be surprised if the SFA haven’t signed that old guarantor form for their new dependent.
In Dundee Utd’s case I wonder if the Houston / Levein connection has any bearing? More difficult to fathom is Celtic and the other clubs outside Scotland. If its usual for clubs to wait into next season or beyond to get paid no wonder the game is skint.
Anyone else pondering the recent NI trouble and whether there might be some undercurrents linking to our football authorities’ apparent concern for the wider social context?
Has Alex Thomson replied in any way to The Sun’s allegation that, like them, he was duped yet regarding the book?
If THE Rangers paid Dundee Utd the outstanding money from the cup game last year, would RFC2012 still have Dundee Utd as a creditor?
The issue here is not whether Dundee Utd were paid or not, but whether there was a condition on SFL entrance that they were.
If this was a condition laid down by the SFA then there would also be a proviso on what date it had to be done by. As the new transparent SFA/SPL/SFL/RFC/D&D have never published any details of the 5 way agreement we will never know.
Maybe Dundee Utd could ask, what the agreement was as both them & Hearts would have a vested interest.
I imagine if Hearts had to sell Templeton then they also have not been paid, so their is no shock in Dundee Utd being the same.
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
Simply to ask ‘journalists’ – in a polite and non-threatening manner of course – to please raise relevant questions, e.g. with the SFA on behalf of Scottish football fans.
Or would a co-ordinated email campaign be viewed as ‘overstepping’ the mark ?
[Am genuinely unsure whether this would be viewed as constructive or not by the majority here.]
I sure it was mentioned previously that the 5 way agreement, including the part about paying football debts, has no timescale applied to it. So a promise to pay was all the SFA required.
Deary me…
Serialization cancelled by Scottish edition of a national newspaper.
Grass roots campaign to discredit the work with ad hominem attacks on author.
Leggo putting publisher’s address at the top of his column.
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
I hate to come across all paranoid here, but somebody must really, really, REALLY want “Downfall” to be a massive bestseller.
Hi Guys
Busy day ,but now enjoying a pasta with a nice Merlot,reflecting over the days comments,remember the old days when you got the late Times and you went to the back page and had to turn it on its side to get the latest news ,well you thought it was the latest news,technology is an eye opener,anyway ,the Merlot does funny things ,I was reflecting back and one of the best reads of a book was Big Jocks life written by Archie Macpherson ,I have to be honest and never held Archie in any esteem but this changed a big part of my life ,Mr MacPherson & Mr John Stein would have been a company that a lot of people would after reading the book loved to have been a part of ,even although Big Jock never took a tipple [!] this book is well up there as Archie got Jock to pour his heart out ,how did you do this Archie, Jock was leaving a message to all through this book and I think now is the time to bring the book back into focus ,this ,in my mind is what Jock would have wanted ,if you have not read this book ,please try and do so and understand what Mr John Stein whent through to become the greatest Club manager of his time .Jock new life was not a rehearsal.
incredibleadamspark says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:08
Have East Fife been yet?
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I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
I’m not that bothered about Phil’s book. I will read it of course, but I’m not going to buy it just to stick it to Rangers/The Rangers fans. I will read it to see one viewpoint…. one perspective.
Phil has a very significant part in this story and there is no doubting that. If Rangers fans had listened to him in the first place, they might have galvanised the support so that their club might still be in existence today.
As has been well documented, the fact that they didn’t listen to Phil… and RTC… and others… is something akin to the ultimate irony.
Come on Chris. Write your version of the events of the Murray/Whyte Rangers years… so that readers can have some balance. You can even take the opporchancity to add a Charles Green/The Rangers epilogue if you want to attempt to maintain the ‘same club’ argument.
[Extracted from Rangers TV, via RM / rather not insert link].
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ALLY McCOIST has hit out at critics who are “annoyed” by the response of the Rangers fans and he cannot believe the flak aimed at some of his signings.
The manager is of the view that certain people are upset by the remarkable support despite the new environment Rangers find themselves in since the tortuous administration process.
And he is far from happy at the unjustified criticism some of his signings have received for daring to join Rangers in SFL 3.
Speaking to RangersTV, McCoist said: “It’s bizarre. I have noticed that in some sections people are annoyed at the way our fans have reacted.
“We are where we are. We said we would accept it. The fans wanted it and the fans got it.
“The support that they have shown this club is absolutely remarkable.
“I will maybe give people out-with this club the benefit of the doubt for being a little bit surprised by what has happened.
“The criticism that some players have had for signing for us is absolutely ridiculous.
“I do respect the vast majority of journalists. You don’t always agree with them but you take their opinions on board.
“But it’s interesting to note that the vast majority who had a go at David Templeton for coming don’t know the club and have never played the game.
“Now I’m not saying you have to have played the game to know the game.
“But the point I’m trying to make is if you have played the game at a high level and you do know this club then it is more understandable that these decisions have been made by good players.
“They have been accused of going for the money which is absolute nonsense. And even if it was the case they are quite entitled to do so because in any other profession or walk of life you would look after your family.
“But there is a lot more to it than that. Anyone who would question people coming to this club were perhaps not at the game last Sunday when there were 46,000 reasons to come to this club.”
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“ALLY McCOIST has hit out…” 🙄
In my humble opinion, Rules are Rules !
If The SFA/ SPL & SFL had all applied their rules properly in the 1st place (probably on 14th Feb this year !), we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If oldco hadn’t tried to cheat us all out of Public Money, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If signed players on EBT’s hadn’t been so greedy, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If HMRC were as good as they boast that they are, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If our “World Famous” Judiciary System were as good as they boast that they are, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If those Fa**nie’s from the msm grew a pair of Ba**s, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If Wee Eck (and I support the SNP !), hadn’t zipped his lip, but instead told The Nation how disgusted he was at the goings on at Govan, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If our Famous Wee Parliament took a stance, and called a Public Enquiry into the scandal, You’ll probably find that we wouldn’t be in this mess !!!!!!
Let’s face it, we don’t stand a chance.
I’m neither a Celtic nor Rangers supporter, but I do believe in Fair Play. There is nothing “Fair” in what has been going on in the last 7 Months !
Forget all The Celtic conspiracy theories over the last 100 years. This is The Mother of all conspiracy theories, which really needs a Public Investigation right down to the needle !
Finally, ask yourself the question. Why would some businessman like Charles Green, who comes with a previously criticised CV from his days in English Football, want to put himself straight into The Lion’s Den” in Glasgow ? My answer ? – He smells “EASY MONEY !!!!!!!!”.
Worse than that, he seems to be steamrolling along in his Yorkshire Tractor with the full knowledge that he has the whole motorway to himself, with all The Sh*$e falling off the back of it for everyone else to clean up !
Just my thoughts.
CW @ 20.45.
Nothing wrong with that thinking.
posmill says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:22
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
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Bob Smith Walker @BobSmithWalker
To avoid confusion-no delay on pub date, still 8th sept. Also, there are not really subliminal messages on the cover.
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:43
ALLY McCOIST has hit out at critics who are “annoyed” by the response of the Rangers fans and he cannot believe the flak aimed at some of his signings.
“Now I’m not saying you have to have played the game to know the game.
“But the point I’m trying to make is if you have played the game at a high level and you do know this club then it is more understandable that these decisions have been made by good players.
“They have been accused of going for the money which is absolute nonsense. And even if it was the case they are quite entitled to do so because in any other profession or walk of life you would look after your family.
“ALLY McCOIST has hit out…”
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That’s true Ally, 99.99 % of us have never played the game at a high level, and also 99.99% of us don’t know YOUR club like you do ! (that also includes 99.99% of Rangers Supporters !)
So why not come out with a straight answer ? How much was your EBT worth ? Did you take it reluctantly as you had to look after The Family ? Did you have any pangs of guilt when you signed on the dotted line ?
Maybe that’s why Famous Footballers are always seen in Kids Hospital wards ? Is it to ease their guilt about not paying their proper taxes ?
Where can you buy the book big jocks story
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:05
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Go on, cast off your inhibitions and tell us what you really think of him.
Many times last season I listened to callers on the phone in’s being patronised by the pundits and journalists that this was a financial story and that they could not discuss it yet when one of them wrote a story that the take over money came from future season ticket sales the journalist received an award. Now I know that the information was available on the old RTC website the August before but why would a sports journalist, who had told everyone that this was not within his remit, not only write about it but also win an award from other sports journalists who had adopted the same position.
I wonder if any of them have found the gumption to ask Charlie boy the following questions;
Name the three billionaires that you claim to be backing you.
Show me the bank statement that has the £30M you said would be there by the end of July.
How many players did you actually get on loan from Newcastle United? Was it nine?
You claim to have paid all football debts. Have you paid the outstanding debts to Man City, Arsenal, Rapid Vienna as well as the other European clubs?
Dundee United have still not been paid from the Scottish Cup tie last season. You claim that it is covered by a letter from the SPL but that letter was conditional on the previous club obtaining a CVA. Are you claiming “The Rangers” are the same corporate entity as RFC?
How could the letter from the SPL pertain to “The Rangers” when Sevco the company’s prior name did not exist until over one week later?
On a recent ESPN interview you said that “The Rangers” were playing in Division 3 because they did not pay a fine. Can you specify what the fine was and what was it in connection with?
Finally and most importantly;
What colour is the sky in your world your absolute raving lunatic?
All right the last question was a bit tongue in cheek but the other questions have been begging to be asked for well over a month now and still not one of our esteemed, award winning, utterly unbiased giants of the journalistic profession can bring themselves to ask them.
Can anyone offer a reason why this might be the case?
Livenhope says
Do you have access to the internet
justshatered says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:12
What colour is the sky in your world your absolute raving lunatic?
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Almost certainly, red, white and blue.
Is Franklin floating the idea of a McCoist’s failure in order to alleviate his moving side-ways in order to allow a Souness management takeover?
From: Why I Dislike Rangers:
“I refer of course to the moment in mid-April when Mr McCoist publicly demanded, in a show of angry petulance at best, spiteful fury at worst, that the three members of the Independent Review Panel (which had recommended that the club should face severe sanctions) should be publicly named. He himself “demanded to know” who “these people” were. Rangers supporters, he said, also “demanded to know” who they were. The word demand in itself implied arrogance at a time when arrogance was very much the wrong tone to strike. Even worse was the unavoidable implication that the trio were cowering in anonymity and if they were real men they would stand up publicly and face the indignant wrath of the massed ranks of the Rangers support.
This was a terrible moment for Rangers. With a few ill-chosen words, Mr McCoist threw away a great deal of the sympathy – and there was without doubt a lot of it around – that many supporters of other clubs were still prepared to give Rangers. From that moment, for many people, Rangers no longer had the benefit of the doubt, as it were. Their charismatic spokesman was now seen by some as no more than a bully boy. And few people, if any, could still regard him as statesmanlike figure, trying to preserve as much dignity and decency as possible as the club he loved suffered humiliation after humiliation.
In the days following Mr McCoist’s outburst, I heard many folk saying things like: “Things are different now. Rangers are reverting to type. They are just trying to intimidate and bluster when they should be trying to salvage what they can from the residual respect for the club.”
TRS Forum :: Topic: Why I Dislike Rangers II (1/4) | The Rangers Standard
monster_mind says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:41pm
incredibleadamspark says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:08
Have East Fife been yet?
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I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
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Either the club official responsible for club communication is on annual leave or the answer is no…for if they had…yes would have come straight back!
miki and iki, what a double act,brilliant.I am laughing so much the sheep are beginning to stare.
iamacant says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:01
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posmill says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:22
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
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Bob Smith Walker @BobSmithWalker
To avoid confusion-no delay on pub date, still 8th sept. Also, there are not really subliminal messages on the cover.
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So are there subliminal messages or aren’t there?
no i just put up my last post by rubbing 2 apples together seemed to work I have tried a google search but no luck thanks for all your help
liveinhope @21.23.
The book is on Amazon website
Apologies Livinehope
I am down to a bunch of sour grapes and a sour plum ,communacation fading.
Are you serious ,you’re apples cannott be Mac
Is the issue in regard to the Templeton late signing not just that it was past the deadline buti after the start of the transfer ban.
Who at the SFA authorised this time extension.
Who sitting at Hampdung after 12.00 had the authority to allow this to happen?
Who made the initial decision re the transfer ban?
What it this same person who authorised the extension?
If there were more than one person involved in the decision to place a transfer ban on TRFC, were they asked to authorise the extension in time?
No doubt no answers will be forthcoming fro the corridors of deception.
I know it’s quiet, but not sure how ‘telling the world how much I dislike Ally McCoist’ helps further the aims of the blog?
On another matter, StevieBC says on September 5, 2012 at 20:10
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
I thought one of the strengths of this blog was that we don’t try to “mobilise the troops” but instead raise issues for debate then let people decide for themselves how they want to play their part. Admittedly, I get frustrated that individually I can’t seem to get the answers/action I would like, but I prefer that to looking to some great leader to tell me what to do (as mentioned about TRFC fans in a great previous post. Can’t remember who, sorry!).
On that, I have no intention of attending the WC qualifiers on Saturday or Wednesday. It’s my way of showing my disapproval at the authorities’ handling of the TRFC situation. I don’t have players in the squad that I might want to support; don’t have a young kid desperate for me to take him to the game etc. Others do, so I’m not trying to influence anyone, but we need to be thinking individually about how we protest. If you have a reason for going, will you do something to show your displeasure e.g. a banner? a chant?
Thank you tic 6709 nice to meet someone pleasant on here tried amazon but will try again thanks foryour help
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On another matter, StevieBC says on September 5, 2012 at 20:10
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
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… but we need to be thinking individually about how we protest. If you have a reason for going, will you do something to show your displeasure e.g. a banner? a chant?
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That’s the frustration though – inidvidually we don’t seem to be registering either at the SFA or with ‘journalists’.
No, will not be going to the game: I lost interest in the national team several years ago, and don’t watch it even if it’s on TV.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:27
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
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Sorry Smallteaser…you are wrong…as yet we have had no confirmation from the SFA of whether the transfer was registered before or after the transfer deadline…
Indications are it was after…therefore it matters…it matters to every club who abide by the rules…
When you say “lets forget integrity and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish Football”…..OMG…that could have been written by Charlie Green himself….
Where does that belief stop….lets ignore the rules…ok then…Rangers football club didn’t steal £94 million of tax…they didn’t provide salaries in the form of EBT’s….they didn’t operate a 2 contract system…they don’t owe any other club money…and if SEVCO get caught with their hand in the till…..just ignore it…BECAUSE CHEATING IS FOR THE GOOD OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL!
I’m sure you meant well….but for the love of god think about the bigger picture!
Cheers Stevie.
Question was aimed at everyone, really.
Will you go or not? If going, will you do anything to protest?
spanishcelt says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:47
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
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I would think its certain that Celtic are also still owed their money, there has been no statement from Sevco or Celtic to say its been paid.
So even the biggest club in the country is bowing to Sevco when its fans are screaming for justice and rules to be applied.
Celtic do not want a weak Rangers.Sevco/newco playing outside the spl and will accept/agree to anything that sees their quick rise through the leagues with maybe a cup game thrown in here and there each season.
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I’m inclined to agree.Our discussion this morning centred on the fact that NO club seems willing to speak out and are therefore,in my opinion,complicit with the charade currently being played out in Scottish Football.
I think you picked up my sentiment wrong.
I was attempting to write what explanation would be supplied by The SFA, The Record, The Sun, SSB and all the rest, who would say, “whats the problem, nobody was harmed and everyone involved gained, nothing to see here”.
Obviously this did not come across as intended.
Rumor has it, if you turn Downfall sideways you see a map to where the bodies are buried.
Seriously, I ordered my book weeks ago and the delivery date was the15th(ish) Sept. I’d put this down to allowing serialisation in the Sun. That isnt now happening but you cant just turn the taps on over night and magic up several thousand copies and get them all distributed.
Everything will be working to a schedule agreed months ago.
Thanks l.t.l see how its done fifa you ask a question and someone helps you out TAKE NOTE
Angus says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:19
From the original transfer of membership agreement, this was one of the conditions:
“Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to accept all conditions relating to RFC (IA)’s charges of bringing the game into disrepute, namely the 12-month transfer embargo, beginning at 0.01a.m on 1st September 2012, and payment of all outstanding fines and costs.”
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1961&newsCategoryID=3&newsID=10252
So, they actually had 59 seconds past the midnight deadline before the embargo took effect.
Does anyone usually actually announce that the window is clos
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I suppose to be totally accurate, as Glasgow is somewhat west of Greenwich, it was probably before midnight when the paperwork was completed. If only those pesky railwaymen and sailors hadn’t brought in time zones.
Bring back local time 😀
Gie’s a gonk says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:27
Smallteaser, why have you got Chris McLaughlin as your wee avatar thing. Just lucky?
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I have been thumbed down, chastised, torn a new one on here and at RTC but THAT is the limit.
How dare you come on here and cyber bully me. TSFM please get that avatar changed!!!
LOL
smallteaser @14:24
I’ve got no idea, but I don’t think anyone believes a single word spoken by any of the main players in this fiasco
There is now a stench of mistrust surrounding the ruling bodies, which when coupled with the obvious favouritism shown by them to one team, makes their position is untenable
Alex Cox says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:08
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Fans Against Corruption says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:58
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In summary, ignore the SFA breaching a sanction which they themselves imposed.
Do that and you are as well not bothering with a place like this.
If the SFA did nothing wrong and the papers were there on time, fine. If however the papers were late and the SFA ignored this and still processed the registration then that really is worth looking into.
This is not about Rangers or Hearts, it is about the potential corruption within the SFA. It is about them breaching their own sanction to facilitate a club. That is not a minor issue in my opinion
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I guess that’s what Campbell “GREATEST FOOTBALL ADMINISTRATOR EVER!!!” Ogilvie is there for. 😉
With the Motherwell League Cup game being shown “live” what a perfect time for the “well” fans to snub ipox
Was thinking that maybe the FTTT has been delayed on purpose by HMRC in order to give CG time to launch the phoenix club and lay claim to oldco history etc so that once the decision is released there will be enough proof out there for HMRC to claim newco are oldco and go after them for the cash! It really does seem to have taken an age for the decision and still we wait….
Why have following people disappeared off the face of the planet.
1. Sir David Murray
2.Charles White
3. Martin Bain
4. Dave King
5. Paul Murray
6.Campbell Ogilve
7. John Brown
8. Brian Kennedy
9. Alastair Johnston
10. John Mclelland
Too many othe minor participants to list in detail.
As Fat Sally would say (where are these people)
Silence spaks volumes!!
a good few of the names on that list will be searching for a safe haven that does`nt have an extradition treaty with the uk ,also a few will be moving all their wealth away from uk eyes
So if Hearts were happy at 9:30pm and it then went down to the wire on Templeton’s personal terms anyone want a guess to what they might be as neither they or the price have been reported as far as I am aware (though I could have easily missed it)?
Surely more than the supposed £5k per week for Ian Black.
Every £5k per week is at least £260k a year on the wage bill.
Also no mention of the previously reported insentive of paying up the remaining fee for Wallace as part of the deal.
So is that cool half mill still needing to be held in the bank by next July?
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:13
Just to give you a full team of 11 and a few subs you could add
11. Sir Cardigan
12. Graeme Souness
and on the fringes of the squad
13. Alex McLeish
Angus @ 14.04 Cheers Angus,what can you say ?.
Alex Cox @ 14.08.You are wrong that the issue has nothing to do with Sevco or Hearts,it has Everything to do with Sevco,do you honestly think any other club would get away with this,as for
” it is about the potential corruption within the SFA” Potential? are you kidding.the place Reeks of corruption,we have been witness to the most blatant corruption concerning Sevco since the 14th Feb.
WOTTPI says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:24
M8 Dreamer says:
September 5, 2012 at 15:13
Just to give you a full team of 11 and a few subs you could add
11. Sir Cardigan
12. Graeme Souness
and on the fringes of the squad
13. Alex McLeish
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Lets be impartial here,
14. Alex Thompson
15. Mark Daly
16. Lord Nimmo
17. Lord Hodge
18. Craig Whyte
19. TicketUs
20. Duff & Phelps.
If anyone wants to know what’s happening – delays, rule-bending, manipulative groupings, then they need look no further than the Speculative Society, a grouping of Scotland’s high and mighty.
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/specsoc_membership.html
I have now received replies from BBC Radio Scotland to a letter I sent on 26th JUNE ( by jings, they do deal quickly with their correspondence!). I posted the letter on the ( I think it was still the RTC) blog at the time.
The first reply is from Ewan Angus, Head of Sport, and is dated 17th August.
” Dear Mr…..
I refer to your letter of 26th June and follow up of 6th August regarding coverage on BBC Radio Scotland of the unfolding story at Rangers Football Club. You assert thatour reporters and presenters did not have a proper grasp of the details of the story and you also believe that bias was in evidence.
We use a range of contributors across our output with a view to delivering lively and informed debate alongside the imparting of information. This has been a complex story at times, including a fair amount of misinformation, but I am satisfied that our journalists and pundits have conducted themselves in an appropriate manner and have never knowingly misled our audiences and jave certainly never been allowed to pursue personal agendas.
I am sorry that you have found the need to call into question our impartiality and our grasp of the details of this story but I cannot accept that this has been the case.
Your comments on BBC Scotland’s news reporting will be address in a separate letter by John Boothman, head of News and Current Affairs.
Yours sincerely,
Ewan Angus,
Head of Sport, BBC Scotland.”
The second , somewhat patronisingly dismissive reply, is indeed from Mr Boothman.It is dated 3rd September, and reads as follows:
“Dear Mr
Thank you for getting in touch about Radio Scotland’s news coverage of Rangers.
You make a number of assertions. I would like to say whether or not I agree with them but,as I find it difficult to detect any substance in your general remarks, we will have to let the matter rest at that point.
I am satisfied that we have more than met our obligations to the listening public in providing some of the best coverage in Scotland, fully in accord with our Editorial Guidelines and the principles of public service broadcasting.
The Rangers saga is a highly complex, fast-moving story which at every turn we have reported thoroughly and responsibly. That is what our audience expects and that is what we have done.
Yours sincerely,
John Boothman
Head of News and Current Affairs.”
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There would be little point in my trying to reply to those letters. Boothman is clearly out of the same mould as the Jabbas of the media world, and, perhaps, is not too different from Davies of the ‘Sun’ – very careful not to risk offending certain people.
But what’s new in that in Scottish civic life?
Mr Bunny says:
September 5, 2012 at 14:04
Senior says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:01
Just came across this, Traynor is not all bad!!
13/04/12 DAILY RECORD – “Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” (Jim Traynor)
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Not if he is halway through his version of Succulent Lamb
Look out for more quotable quotes from JT that are probably already in the draft book but havent been made yet
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
I have now received replies from BBC Radio Scotland to a letter I sent on 26th JUNE ( by jings, they do deal quickly with their correspondence!). I posted the letter on the ( I think it was still the RTC) blog at the time…..
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John,
The responses display an arrogance and complacency that seems quite fitting when taken with RFC/Sevco being the subject matter.
I’m unsure just what has to be put to these people to get them to admit that there have been failings in their organisations.
I’m also unsure whether they are adopting an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ or ‘Ministry of Truth’ managerial approach. Asserting that everything is fine, move along now, is clearly inadequate on any reasonable investigation of the facts. Hopefully this may be for public consumption and action is actually taking place behind the scenes.
If however these two really believe what they are saying then someone higher up should be grabbing them by the ear and explaining what BBC standards are….
/ Red Lichtie
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 13:33
I do believe The Rangers follyers have decided,flushed with their success in burning the sun, that they are turning up the heat on sites like this.
They really need to be looking at who is really burning them. Their owner, and master mnipulator, a man, who a few weeks ago was shuffling around trying to avoid his new found cash cows until he learned the language and started ranting ,” Wearrapeepil! Wearrapeepil.”
Some slags’ll do anything for money.
This site, like T’Rangers themselves has been subverted by the sleekit f.o.d. That’s their way.
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I think you’re starting to tilt at windmills. There are some pretty reasonable questions being asked regarding the tone and language of some contributors on here but to start talking of subversion of this site is, I think, unhelpful. I really haven’t seen it on here.
I see absolutely no good coming from going down that route and think it has the potential to discourage people offering different opinions for fear of being labelled a troll or a fan of the third division club.
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
JC, I note that the word “balanced” was never used in conjunction with “reporting” or “coverage”.
I hope the spelling errors were all your own work and not the beeb,
Could I suggest that we all stop listening & discussing what they say, it only gives them credence. I am sure some check on here to see how they are doing.
If we leave them alone I am sure they will go the same way as RR phhone in.
Goosy September 5, 2012 at 11:49 mentions decades when every club board knew of favouritism shown to RFC and to a lesser degree CFC.
It’s only right on TSFM that all these things are aired. Goosy, I’ve supported CFC for decades, and I’ve never been aware of any favouritism shown to the club to any degree at all by SFA/SFL/SPL. It would open my eyes to know when these instances took place.
Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:37
It’s only right on TSFM that all these things are aired. Goosy, I’ve supported CFC for decades, and I’ve never been aware of any favouritism shown to the club to any degree at all by SFA/SFL/SPL. It would open my eyes to know when these instances took place.
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Sepia, If you think Celtic have NEVER had any favouritism shown, then opening your eyes would never be enough. You have to be able to see as well.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:41
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Sepia says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:37
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Like Sepia, I am CFC fan of 53 years young and I too have never seen any favouritism towards Celtic by the organisations in question.
One word mate. Farry.
re. Favouritism towards Celtic.
Institutionally – no I can say Ive never known it.
On the pitch – referees are often swayed by the hollering of the much larger crowd. I’d suggest Celts have had a decent sized slice of decisions, that could swing either way, going for them, but plenty spring to mind that make no sense.
Again, institutionally … no. I also recall the Farry/ debacle in registering crystaltips.
[PS. I dont want this swinging the thread into a dodgy reffing discussion. However, Ive often considered that an equivalent of Godwin’s Law applies on football fora where eventually discussion descends into who got the most dodgy decisions – with examples!]
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
What’s the difference? I put my order in ages ago!!
Webster says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:22
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Am hearing that, if you ordered “Downfall” before midnight on Monday then Amazon legally have to deliver you a copy with the original cover even if the publishers now rush out a second, altered one.
I missed the deadline so expect my copy to be worthless in future.
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I order mine at 9pm on Monday. What is the subliminal message anyone know?
I’ve read that’s it’s a Tricolour if you turn the book on it’s side, is this p!sh?
Brenda says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:27
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What’s the difference? I put my order in ages ago!!
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There’s supposed to be a subliminal message on the first row of bricks (remember they all bought bricks?) and a figure in the clouds which is supposed to be Struth.
Seems the publishers have pulled the book to re-print the cover either that it is more marketing nonsense to sell more books.
BTW, p!shy pants has tweeted the address of the publisher apparently.
Does anyone know why The Rangers wear different socks to the ones Rangers wore??
With regard to favouritism was there not a posting some time ago where someone had analysed old firm match reports since WWII and found that controversial decisions had run in favour of the boys in blue by at least 3 to 1
Danish Pastry says:
September 5, 2012 at 07:02(Edit)
The Glen says:
September 4, 2012 at 23:48
‘I’ve also read recently Rangers fans described as .
I totally agree that allowing the language of hate on here undermines the blog’s credentials. It’s more than tiresome, and posts referring to, ‘Well, look at what the other lot say’, don’t wash. You either take the high moral ground and stay there, or you get off and jump back into the gutter. This blog will never achieve respect or standing in the media if it allows itself to be used as a scratchpad for people’s personal rage.
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I think that last para from Danish should be etched on our collective conscience. We should be taking the moral high ground, and ensuring that language of the kind described above is not only unacceptable to moderators, but to us all.
Football is a game which arouses passion, and consequently we all understand when some of us get agitated over events. Right now, the blog is going through a trough as perceptions grow that justice is not being done. That is not good for passions.
Whether justice is done or not, it will make no difference to the correctness of our position; but if we allow ourselves to cross the line with unacceptable language, EVERYBODY will stop listening, and we will be left preaching to ourselves.
I think Danish has been a valuable contributor to this blog and to RTC, but I don’t think he has ever made a contribution so succinct and important as this. I hope we are all listening.
longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:21
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
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Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
Whilst D Utd have done nothing in the transfer window due to lack of funds,Sevco have been paying transfer fees,wages etc in excess of Div 3 levels.No one will raise a hand to help D Utd but more damningly,D Utd will not lift a hand to help themselves.
That’s the tragedy of this situation.
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
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I would think its certain that Celtic are also still owed their money, there has been no statement from Sevco or Celtic to say its been paid.
So even the biggest club in the country is bowing to Sevco when its fans are screaming for justice and rules to be applied.
Celtic do not want a weak Rangers.Sevco/newco playing outside the spl and will accept/agree to anything that sees their quick rise through the leagues with maybe a cup game thrown in here and there each season.
longtimelurker @ 17:21
Presumably this refers to the money owed from the cup game at Ibrox, which begs the question why are Sevco being allowed to participate in this seasons tournament
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer
Have East Fife been yet?
john clarke says:
September 5, 2012 at 16:06
What if we all stopped paying our TV licence? Would Mr. Boothman find substance in that?
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
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longtimelurker says:
September 5, 2012 at 17:21
Dundee United News @DundeeUtdNews
Dundee United still owed money by Rangers despite Charles Green claims
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Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
Whilst D Utd have done nothing in the transfer window due to lack of funds,Sevco have been paying transfer fees,wages etc in excess of Div 3 levels.No one will raise a hand to help D Utd but more damningly,D Utd will not lift a hand to help themselves.
That’s the tragedy of this situation.
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Sevco are paying wages in excess of not only the 3rd Div but Dundee Utd as well. Now thats galling.
Spanishcelt / Torrevieja
It is strange that clubs owed money from a club that must be a financial risk don’t seem to be in any rush to get paid.
Is it the fear factor?
Have they been assured / convinced by the SFA that they will get paid, but please don’t rock the boat? Wouldn’t be surprised if the SFA haven’t signed that old guarantor form for their new dependent.
In Dundee Utd’s case I wonder if the Houston / Levein connection has any bearing? More difficult to fathom is Celtic and the other clubs outside Scotland. If its usual for clubs to wait into next season or beyond to get paid no wonder the game is skint.
Anyone else pondering the recent NI trouble and whether there might be some undercurrents linking to our football authorities’ apparent concern for the wider social context?
Has Alex Thomson replied in any way to The Sun’s allegation that, like them, he was duped yet regarding the book?
If THE Rangers paid Dundee Utd the outstanding money from the cup game last year, would RFC2012 still have Dundee Utd as a creditor?
The issue here is not whether Dundee Utd were paid or not, but whether there was a condition on SFL entrance that they were.
If this was a condition laid down by the SFA then there would also be a proviso on what date it had to be done by. As the new transparent SFA/SPL/SFL/RFC/D&D have never published any details of the 5 way agreement we will never know.
Maybe Dundee Utd could ask, what the agreement was as both them & Hearts would have a vested interest.
I imagine if Hearts had to sell Templeton then they also have not been paid, so their is no shock in Dundee Utd being the same.
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
Simply to ask ‘journalists’ – in a polite and non-threatening manner of course – to please raise relevant questions, e.g. with the SFA on behalf of Scottish football fans.
Or would a co-ordinated email campaign be viewed as ‘overstepping’ the mark ?
[Am genuinely unsure whether this would be viewed as constructive or not by the majority here.]
I sure it was mentioned previously that the 5 way agreement, including the part about paying football debts, has no timescale applied to it. So a promise to pay was all the SFA required.
Deary me…
Serialization cancelled by Scottish edition of a national newspaper.
Grass roots campaign to discredit the work with ad hominem attacks on author.
Leggo putting publisher’s address at the top of his column.
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
I hate to come across all paranoid here, but somebody must really, really, REALLY want “Downfall” to be a massive bestseller.
Hi Guys
Busy day ,but now enjoying a pasta with a nice Merlot,reflecting over the days comments,remember the old days when you got the late Times and you went to the back page and had to turn it on its side to get the latest news ,well you thought it was the latest news,technology is an eye opener,anyway ,the Merlot does funny things ,I was reflecting back and one of the best reads of a book was Big Jocks life written by Archie Macpherson ,I have to be honest and never held Archie in any esteem but this changed a big part of my life ,Mr MacPherson & Mr John Stein would have been a company that a lot of people would after reading the book loved to have been a part of ,even although Big Jock never took a tipple [!] this book is well up there as Archie got Jock to pour his heart out ,how did you do this Archie, Jock was leaving a message to all through this book and I think now is the time to bring the book back into focus ,this ,in my mind is what Jock would have wanted ,if you have not read this book ,please try and do so and understand what Mr John Stein whent through to become the greatest Club manager of his time .Jock new life was not a rehearsal.
incredibleadamspark says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:08
Have East Fife been yet?
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I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
I’m not that bothered about Phil’s book. I will read it of course, but I’m not going to buy it just to stick it to Rangers/The Rangers fans. I will read it to see one viewpoint…. one perspective.
Phil has a very significant part in this story and there is no doubting that. If Rangers fans had listened to him in the first place, they might have galvanised the support so that their club might still be in existence today.
As has been well documented, the fact that they didn’t listen to Phil… and RTC… and others… is something akin to the ultimate irony.
Come on Chris. Write your version of the events of the Murray/Whyte Rangers years… so that readers can have some balance. You can even take the opporchancity to add a Charles Green/The Rangers epilogue if you want to attempt to maintain the ‘same club’ argument.
[Extracted from Rangers TV, via RM / rather not insert link].
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ALLY McCOIST has hit out at critics who are “annoyed” by the response of the Rangers fans and he cannot believe the flak aimed at some of his signings.
The manager is of the view that certain people are upset by the remarkable support despite the new environment Rangers find themselves in since the tortuous administration process.
And he is far from happy at the unjustified criticism some of his signings have received for daring to join Rangers in SFL 3.
Speaking to RangersTV, McCoist said: “It’s bizarre. I have noticed that in some sections people are annoyed at the way our fans have reacted.
“We are where we are. We said we would accept it. The fans wanted it and the fans got it.
“The support that they have shown this club is absolutely remarkable.
“I will maybe give people out-with this club the benefit of the doubt for being a little bit surprised by what has happened.
“The criticism that some players have had for signing for us is absolutely ridiculous.
“I do respect the vast majority of journalists. You don’t always agree with them but you take their opinions on board.
“But it’s interesting to note that the vast majority who had a go at David Templeton for coming don’t know the club and have never played the game.
“Now I’m not saying you have to have played the game to know the game.
“But the point I’m trying to make is if you have played the game at a high level and you do know this club then it is more understandable that these decisions have been made by good players.
“They have been accused of going for the money which is absolute nonsense. And even if it was the case they are quite entitled to do so because in any other profession or walk of life you would look after your family.
“But there is a lot more to it than that. Anyone who would question people coming to this club were perhaps not at the game last Sunday when there were 46,000 reasons to come to this club.”
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“ALLY McCOIST has hit out…” 🙄
In my humble opinion, Rules are Rules !
If The SFA/ SPL & SFL had all applied their rules properly in the 1st place (probably on 14th Feb this year !), we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If oldco hadn’t tried to cheat us all out of Public Money, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If signed players on EBT’s hadn’t been so greedy, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If HMRC were as good as they boast that they are, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If our “World Famous” Judiciary System were as good as they boast that they are, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If those Fa**nie’s from the msm grew a pair of Ba**s, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If Wee Eck (and I support the SNP !), hadn’t zipped his lip, but instead told The Nation how disgusted he was at the goings on at Govan, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
If our Famous Wee Parliament took a stance, and called a Public Enquiry into the scandal, You’ll probably find that we wouldn’t be in this mess !!!!!!
Let’s face it, we don’t stand a chance.
I’m neither a Celtic nor Rangers supporter, but I do believe in Fair Play. There is nothing “Fair” in what has been going on in the last 7 Months !
Forget all The Celtic conspiracy theories over the last 100 years. This is The Mother of all conspiracy theories, which really needs a Public Investigation right down to the needle !
Finally, ask yourself the question. Why would some businessman like Charles Green, who comes with a previously criticised CV from his days in English Football, want to put himself straight into The Lion’s Den” in Glasgow ? My answer ? – He smells “EASY MONEY !!!!!!!!”.
Worse than that, he seems to be steamrolling along in his Yorkshire Tractor with the full knowledge that he has the whole motorway to himself, with all The Sh*$e falling off the back of it for everyone else to clean up !
Just my thoughts.
CW @ 20.45.
Nothing wrong with that thinking.
posmill says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:22
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
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Bob Smith Walker @BobSmithWalker
To avoid confusion-no delay on pub date, still 8th sept. Also, there are not really subliminal messages on the cover.
StevieBC says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:43
ALLY McCOIST has hit out at critics who are “annoyed” by the response of the Rangers fans and he cannot believe the flak aimed at some of his signings.
“Now I’m not saying you have to have played the game to know the game.
“But the point I’m trying to make is if you have played the game at a high level and you do know this club then it is more understandable that these decisions have been made by good players.
“They have been accused of going for the money which is absolute nonsense. And even if it was the case they are quite entitled to do so because in any other profession or walk of life you would look after your family.
“ALLY McCOIST has hit out…”
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That’s true Ally, 99.99 % of us have never played the game at a high level, and also 99.99% of us don’t know YOUR club like you do ! (that also includes 99.99% of Rangers Supporters !)
So why not come out with a straight answer ? How much was your EBT worth ? Did you take it reluctantly as you had to look after The Family ? Did you have any pangs of guilt when you signed on the dotted line ?
Maybe that’s why Famous Footballers are always seen in Kids Hospital wards ? Is it to ease their guilt about not paying their proper taxes ?
Where can you buy the book big jocks story
miki67 says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:05
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Go on, cast off your inhibitions and tell us what you really think of him.
Many times last season I listened to callers on the phone in’s being patronised by the pundits and journalists that this was a financial story and that they could not discuss it yet when one of them wrote a story that the take over money came from future season ticket sales the journalist received an award. Now I know that the information was available on the old RTC website the August before but why would a sports journalist, who had told everyone that this was not within his remit, not only write about it but also win an award from other sports journalists who had adopted the same position.
I wonder if any of them have found the gumption to ask Charlie boy the following questions;
Name the three billionaires that you claim to be backing you.
Show me the bank statement that has the £30M you said would be there by the end of July.
How many players did you actually get on loan from Newcastle United? Was it nine?
You claim to have paid all football debts. Have you paid the outstanding debts to Man City, Arsenal, Rapid Vienna as well as the other European clubs?
Dundee United have still not been paid from the Scottish Cup tie last season. You claim that it is covered by a letter from the SPL but that letter was conditional on the previous club obtaining a CVA. Are you claiming “The Rangers” are the same corporate entity as RFC?
How could the letter from the SPL pertain to “The Rangers” when Sevco the company’s prior name did not exist until over one week later?
On a recent ESPN interview you said that “The Rangers” were playing in Division 3 because they did not pay a fine. Can you specify what the fine was and what was it in connection with?
Finally and most importantly;
What colour is the sky in your world your absolute raving lunatic?
All right the last question was a bit tongue in cheek but the other questions have been begging to be asked for well over a month now and still not one of our esteemed, award winning, utterly unbiased giants of the journalistic profession can bring themselves to ask them.
Can anyone offer a reason why this might be the case?
Livenhope says
Do you have access to the internet
justshatered says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:12
What colour is the sky in your world your absolute raving lunatic?
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Almost certainly, red, white and blue.
Is Franklin floating the idea of a McCoist’s failure in order to alleviate his moving side-ways in order to allow a Souness management takeover?
From: Why I Dislike Rangers:
“I refer of course to the moment in mid-April when Mr McCoist publicly demanded, in a show of angry petulance at best, spiteful fury at worst, that the three members of the Independent Review Panel (which had recommended that the club should face severe sanctions) should be publicly named. He himself “demanded to know” who “these people” were. Rangers supporters, he said, also “demanded to know” who they were. The word demand in itself implied arrogance at a time when arrogance was very much the wrong tone to strike. Even worse was the unavoidable implication that the trio were cowering in anonymity and if they were real men they would stand up publicly and face the indignant wrath of the massed ranks of the Rangers support.
This was a terrible moment for Rangers. With a few ill-chosen words, Mr McCoist threw away a great deal of the sympathy – and there was without doubt a lot of it around – that many supporters of other clubs were still prepared to give Rangers. From that moment, for many people, Rangers no longer had the benefit of the doubt, as it were. Their charismatic spokesman was now seen by some as no more than a bully boy. And few people, if any, could still regard him as statesmanlike figure, trying to preserve as much dignity and decency as possible as the club he loved suffered humiliation after humiliation.
In the days following Mr McCoist’s outburst, I heard many folk saying things like: “Things are different now. Rangers are reverting to type. They are just trying to intimidate and bluster when they should be trying to salvage what they can from the residual respect for the club.”
TRS Forum :: Topic: Why I Dislike Rangers II (1/4) | The Rangers Standard
monster_mind says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:41pm
incredibleadamspark says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:08
Have East Fife been yet?
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I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
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Either the club official responsible for club communication is on annual leave or the answer is no…for if they had…yes would have come straight back!
miki and iki, what a double act,brilliant.I am laughing so much the sheep are beginning to stare.
iamacant says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:01
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posmill says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:22
And now…
Rumors of nefarious subliminals on the cover.
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Bob Smith Walker @BobSmithWalker
To avoid confusion-no delay on pub date, still 8th sept. Also, there are not really subliminal messages on the cover.
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So are there subliminal messages or aren’t there?
no i just put up my last post by rubbing 2 apples together seemed to work I have tried a google search but no luck thanks for all your help
liveinhope @21.23.
The book is on Amazon website
Apologies Livinehope
I am down to a bunch of sour grapes and a sour plum ,communacation fading.
Are you serious ,you’re apples cannott be Mac
Is the issue in regard to the Templeton late signing not just that it was past the deadline buti after the start of the transfer ban.
Who at the SFA authorised this time extension.
Who sitting at Hampdung after 12.00 had the authority to allow this to happen?
Who made the initial decision re the transfer ban?
What it this same person who authorised the extension?
If there were more than one person involved in the decision to place a transfer ban on TRFC, were they asked to authorise the extension in time?
No doubt no answers will be forthcoming fro the corridors of deception.
I know it’s quiet, but not sure how ‘telling the world how much I dislike Ally McCoist’ helps further the aims of the blog?
On another matter, StevieBC says on September 5, 2012 at 20:10
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
I thought one of the strengths of this blog was that we don’t try to “mobilise the troops” but instead raise issues for debate then let people decide for themselves how they want to play their part. Admittedly, I get frustrated that individually I can’t seem to get the answers/action I would like, but I prefer that to looking to some great leader to tell me what to do (as mentioned about TRFC fans in a great previous post. Can’t remember who, sorry!).
On that, I have no intention of attending the WC qualifiers on Saturday or Wednesday. It’s my way of showing my disapproval at the authorities’ handling of the TRFC situation. I don’t have players in the squad that I might want to support; don’t have a young kid desperate for me to take him to the game etc. Others do, so I’m not trying to influence anyone, but we need to be thinking individually about how we protest. If you have a reason for going, will you do something to show your displeasure e.g. a banner? a chant?
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Nawlite says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:38
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On another matter, StevieBC says on September 5, 2012 at 20:10
Open question to TSFM.
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Re: discussions recently about engaging the MSM in a meaningful way.
Does TSFM have a position wrt supporting/encouraging/co-ordinating posters to ‘blanket’ email all media contacts ?
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… but we need to be thinking individually about how we protest. If you have a reason for going, will you do something to show your displeasure e.g. a banner? a chant?
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That’s the frustration though – inidvidually we don’t seem to be registering either at the SFA or with ‘journalists’.
No, will not be going to the game: I lost interest in the national team several years ago, and don’t watch it even if it’s on TV.
smallteaser says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:27
paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 10:07
The Templeton scenario is interesting….the SFA are the governing body who oversee whether the players a club use in any official domestic game are properly registered…so in theory they are the one who should be calling the shots….but we know they won’t…so then we are left with each club who play against the Rangers calling foul to the SFA if they believe an opponent is incorrectly registered in a match against them…
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On the Templeton signing, THE Rangers wanted Templeton, Hearts needed the money and did not want him to sign for free in January to another club, Templeton wanted the money.
For the sake of all involved, especially Hearts, does the timing matter?
Lets forget integrity, honesty and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish football, not for the first time has this rule been used this season, and probably not the last.
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Sorry Smallteaser…you are wrong…as yet we have had no confirmation from the SFA of whether the transfer was registered before or after the transfer deadline…
Indications are it was after…therefore it matters…it matters to every club who abide by the rules…
When you say “lets forget integrity and playing by the rules, this is all for the good of Scottish Football”…..OMG…that could have been written by Charlie Green himself….
Where does that belief stop….lets ignore the rules…ok then…Rangers football club didn’t steal £94 million of tax…they didn’t provide salaries in the form of EBT’s….they didn’t operate a 2 contract system…they don’t owe any other club money…and if SEVCO get caught with their hand in the till…..just ignore it…BECAUSE CHEATING IS FOR THE GOOD OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL!
I’m sure you meant well….but for the love of god think about the bigger picture!
Cheers Stevie.
Question was aimed at everyone, really.
Will you go or not? If going, will you do anything to protest?
spanishcelt says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:47
Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
September 5, 2012 at 18:27
Then why do D.Utd not complain to the SFA or better still,raise a claim through the courts.
We discussed this earlier on.No action will be taken as the clubs,even one that is owed money,and has been for a while,will not speak out.
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I would think its certain that Celtic are also still owed their money, there has been no statement from Sevco or Celtic to say its been paid.
So even the biggest club in the country is bowing to Sevco when its fans are screaming for justice and rules to be applied.
Celtic do not want a weak Rangers.Sevco/newco playing outside the spl and will accept/agree to anything that sees their quick rise through the leagues with maybe a cup game thrown in here and there each season.
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I’m inclined to agree.Our discussion this morning centred on the fact that NO club seems willing to speak out and are therefore,in my opinion,complicit with the charade currently being played out in Scottish Football.
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paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:48
I think you picked up my sentiment wrong.
I was attempting to write what explanation would be supplied by The SFA, The Record, The Sun, SSB and all the rest, who would say, “whats the problem, nobody was harmed and everyone involved gained, nothing to see here”.
Obviously this did not come across as intended.
Rumor has it, if you turn Downfall sideways you see a map to where the bodies are buried.
Seriously, I ordered my book weeks ago and the delivery date was the15th(ish) Sept. I’d put this down to allowing serialisation in the Sun. That isnt now happening but you cant just turn the taps on over night and magic up several thousand copies and get them all distributed.
Everything will be working to a schedule agreed months ago.
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