1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
CE says:
September 6, 2012 at 03:05
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:18
BRTH,
Many of us self proclaimed “Diddys” wear the label as an ironic badge of honour. We are attempting to claim ownership of an insult that has been used against us.
We have something they will never have, the deep melancholic gallows bond that forms from watching your team week in, week out, year in, year out, with only the smallest chance of any hint of success.
Diddy and proud I say! 🙂
Well said.
And I take exception to being told by Old Firm supporters not to refer to myself as a fan of a Diddy Team.
The Iceman says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:35
I completely agree with you on your point above.
Simply put, “The Rangers” will just claim they’ve “been punished enough”, whilst also pointing out this was the Oldco and the work of (-S)DM. Any action against them will be portrayed as evidence of bias and corruption AGAINST them. Further threats and intimidation will ensue along with even higher levels of righteous indignation.
No-one over at Mount Florida, nor the MSM, has any interest or motivation for digging up the drains. The quicker this can be forgotten the better, will be the primary objective.
@Iceman – I fear you’re right about the paper chase.
Even if much of it comes out, it will be delayed, fairly dry and not of immediate concern to people still involved in the game.
Hope I’m wrong.
Sent in response to my reply from the Scottish Government regarding the phoenix company.
(Original correspondence posted yesterday, 2012 at 23:08)
I shall let you know of any further replies.
Hello xxxx,
I’d like to thank you for taking the time to reply to my e-mail.
I completely agree that the governance of any sport should be left to the appropriate authorities, in this case the SFA.
It is paramount to any sport that there be one set of rules in a world-wide game that remain unencumbered by National politics.
These rules should by followed and applied without, as the saying goes, fear or favour.
I am also aware of FIFA’s views on non-footballing interference in what is perceived to be a footballing matter.
It would indeed be very foolish to start any action which could result in any punitive measures being applied to the whole of Scottish Football.
However, I think you may have missed the point of my original e-mail.
I do not think any of the issues that I raised had anything to do with football other than the fact the business of the two companies involved was, or is, to run a football club.
If we ignore the nature of their business the questions still remain.
“How can a new company (owing tens of millions in unpaid taxes and debts) possibly be trading legally under this near-identical name, plying the same trade, from the same premises, wearing the same company uniform, employing many of the same employees and presenting itself to all in sundry as the same (old) club.”
and
“given that Charles Green has been on record as stating that he became involved in the day to day running of the old club shortly after administration, but months before liquidation, would this not have made him a “shadow director” of the old company?”
Surely to God the theft of millions of pounds from the public purse by the means of unpaid taxes is not a mater for FIFA or the SFA. It is a matter for government.
The lack of comment or condemnation from all of our political servants is a stain on the collective character of our parliament.
For whatever reason, a blind eye has been cast upon one of the greatest scandals in our recent history, and it appears that there is no one in any position of authority who is brave enough to do anything about it.
Great governance sometimes takes great courage, and there has been absolutely none of that on display during this whole tawdry affair.
Governments are remembered and judged on not only what they do, but upon what they fail to do.
In my judgement on this matter, our government have, so far, failed us miserably.
With regards to your last point, I am pleased the you have pledged your commitment to football development in our country, but if this charade is allowed to continue unabashed then I have reservations about how many will stick around to support it.
Best regards,
bestdressedchicken
Just a wee update on T’ Rangers SFL over 21 dilema.
My previous lists seems to have missed out Fransesco Stella (21)
The latest squad list on wiki has 26 players plus Doian and Bocenegra out on loan.
Of the 26 players, 17 appear to be age 21 or over. The ‘TUPE Five’ are all over 21.
Now the SFL rule states that
“A club shall be permitted to register, at any one time, up to a maximum of
22 players, who have reached the age of 21 years on 1st January of the
appropriate year. The maximum number of 22 players includes players
registered by means of a temporary transfer. Additional players may be
registered by a club, however such players must be under 21 years of age
on 1st January of the appropriate year.”
Of the 17 over 21s 4 will only have turned 21 this year and therefore do not come into the equation until 1st Jan 2013.
Therefore despite Mr Charles saying the rule stopped him signing players he had space for 4. over 21’s within the limit of 22. (13 over 21’s plus the Tupe five =18)
If the TUPE five situation is resolved by 31 December 2012 then there will be no problem. 17 over 21’s going into 2013. (If Bocanegra and Doian come back for 2013/14 then it is still only 19).
If not resolved by then the TUPE Five can be added to the 17 to make the limit of 22.
However if Bocenegra comes back this season and the TUPE Five is not resolved by the end of the year someone will have to go.
That is of course all dependant on the TUPE Five registration really being an issue in realtion to the over 21 limit.. One which has still not been addressed by the MSM.
bestdressedchicken says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:32
Mate, outstanding stuff.
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
“If that fails Bocanegra will be back at Ibrox next week. A Gers source said: “There has been a hitch at their end. We’re unsure if the deal has gone through.”
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Would this count as a registration AFTER the embargo?
Reading through the post above:-
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WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:34
” The maximum number of 22 players includes players registered by means of a temporary transfer.”
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Therefore a temporary transfer out would not be counted as registered player to THE Rangers, so Bocanegra becomes a new registration. Yes??
a somewhat overlooked post I thought….. very true too!
‘k’
September 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Hi Paul, this can’t be going on can it?
1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “how dare you?” gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nut,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than- criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall- back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press that would report the leak.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
14. Scantly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.
15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don’t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
Noam Chomsky @daily_chomsky
The propaganda is distributed by the media. They don’t make it up, they just distribute it.
I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
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paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:20
Either the club official responsible for club communication is on annual leave or the answer is no…for if they had…yes would have come straight back!
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2nd email sent today to ‘office@eastfifefc.info’ to ask if they’ve received their share of the Ibrox gate recepits yet. (Money was due by 17 August IIRC)
Smallteaser,
Like your train of thought!
However, even I, who has grumbled regularly about squad sizes and late registrations, don’t think that you could say that he would need to be registered again.
Its likely that, even in properly run football authorities, the view would be that the player did not complete the move, so did not have his registration moved to the new club, therefore his registration remains with TRFC (or Sevco, or RFC depending on that particular can of worms).
The player’s return however would of course impact on the number of over 21s at the club.
I will draw my conclusions from the FTT ruling, the decision by the Independent Panel looking into fielding inelligible players, Lord Hodge’s decision on the conflict of interest issues and the BDO liquidation report as and when they are available.
There seem to be a lot of people dismissing these things before they are even published.
A Gers source said: “There has been a hitch at their end. We’re unsure if the deal has gone through.”
...”hitch” … ??
Might this word be used more often? Seems like everyone goes away thinking, ‘its OK, nothing to see here, just a ‘hitch’, just a ‘hitch’. Those ‘hitch’ thingies are pesky aren’t they? just a ‘hitch’. hope one of those doesn’t ever happen to me”.
SDM quote in the paper – ‘there’s been a hitch at our end and we haven’t paid proper amounts of tax for a decade’.
CW quoted – ‘There’s been a hitch at our end and the clubs popped into administration’.
CG – ‘Theres been a hitch and I haven’t actually got any money’.
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:45
My guess is that if the Bocenegra loan deal fails then they will just say that it never went through properly so he will revert to being a registered T’Rangers player in the same way that is the authorities had thrown out the Templeton papers he would be back playing in Maroon without any questions being asked.
The SFL rules allow 14 days for all the paperwork to be submitted. -See below – So I think the reverse would be true if an outgoing loan deal fails.
I don’t think it is a big issue other than Mr Charles having to pay his wages.
I also think the TUPE Five is a bit of a red herring but if it is still rumbling along come the new year and Bocenagra is back then a wee e-mail to the Annan and Elgin Chairmen prior to their games on 2nd and 5th January 2013 may be in order along with a bet with Mr Ladbroke for two 0-3 scorelines 🙂
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115.6 Clubs must submit Registration Documents, Contracts of Service and
amendments to Contracts of Service to the League within fourteen days of
their being made.
115.6.1 All Registration Documents which require to be signed on behalf of a club
must be signed by an Official whose specimen signature has been
submitted to and acknowledged by the League.
115.6.2 Any such Registration document which does not bear an authorised
signature will not be accepted.
115.6.3 Except those players listed in accordance with the terms of Rule 124.1.4,
in respect of players registered at age group levels 13 and 14, any player
who is on the Club List of Players does not require a re-registration each
season. All Registration Documents and Contracts of Service to be
obtained from the Chief Executive.
116 SPEEDY REGISTRATION
If desired to register a player at the last possible moment, the Registration
Documents may be sent by telefax or any other electronic means to the
League and must be received and found to be in good order before the
player shall be entitled to play for his new club. The original Registration
Documents must still be submitted to the League in accordance with the
timescale detailed in Rule 115.6. Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
Excellent post from a Servco supporter – and many good reply s over on Paul Mc Conville’s site
ber 5, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Phil, I wonder that you even waste your time making this argument, it’s clear the Sun has realised that publishing Bhain’s work will alienate Rangers fans and might lead to them being unable to sell their paper in another (half of a) major city in the UK. Whilst your argument is valid, I imagine people either understand this or they don’t. I imagine also your readership is quite polarised between people who generally think you talk a lot of sense (even Rangers fans of a more reasonable persuasion, amongst which I include myself) and people who hate you and believe you to be a lying evil Celtic fan out to besmirch their good club, If you are trying to convince these people through logical argument, I assure you it is futile.
I also wonder why you waste your time responding to this Baxter character. I was born and raised a Rangers fan in a family who loved Rangers, my Dad has a picture of me in an incubator at Paisley Maternity Hospital with a Rangers scarf wrapped around it. I have always supported Rangers, whilst frequently being embarrassed by elements of our support. My wife went to a Catholic girls school. Personally I believe all religion is nonsense, but uphold others rights to believe in it should they choose to do so. I suspect the majority of the people who propogate Sectarian hatred in Scotland on both sides of the divide are not doing so out of religious belief but rather out of some sort of ‘us and them’ mentality. These people are idiots.
Recent events at Ibrox have served to expose how much institutional support of Rangers in the Scottish media there really is. I have been surprised by this. It has served to show that Charles Green is a shrewd businessman whatever you might say. At no point do I see anything a few months ago suggesting Ibrox would be getting bigger crowds v Elgin City than Celtic park v Hibernian. That Charles Green has managed to motivate the support with the ‘it’s us against the world’ mentality, all for his own financial benefit, credits him with far more intelligence and nous than most commentators notice.
Your blog continues to make very shrewd and valuable observations on Scottish Football. That these are not subject to greater scrutiny is shocking, frankly.
Rangers do deserve to be punished for what has happened. Arguably, even if it was not a punishment and only a consequence, that has sufficiently happened. Previous league titles were won by 11 men playing 11 men on a football park. If they had additional contracts, well those contracts have brought the club into disrepute and into SFL3. Celtic will win many many titles before Rangers recover, this is fair and right. Celtic are entitled to take the moral high ground, but do they really want handed titles they didn’t win on a football park, and to what end? We are a small country, Rangers are not the most successful club in World Football, not if you scale the achievements by their significance.
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TBK September 6, 2012 at 11:54
Those 17 Techniques for Truth Suppression were written by someone else – I am sure “k” meant to attribute them and make the valid point that what has been used for cover-ups in the past elsewhere is alive and kicking in Scotland and shows the levels the media in our country has sunk to…
The 17 techniques for Truth Suppression were indeed written by someone else. k acknowledged it in a later post.
Scary just how appropriate they seem to be here.
p.s forgot to credit the author,
based on,Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression. by David Martin
jockybhoy says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:22
many thanks Jocky…. excellent spot!
I’m off to examine a book, cover to cover!!!!! 😉
CW says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:01
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bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:51
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Bjay: You may already have this but this was the position at time of going into Administration, “Close Leasing is due £1.56m in relation to a deal that provided finance in exchange for future income from catering,….” but I’ve no idea what the present arrangements are.
Has anyone compiled a synopsis of current goings-on and forwarded it to Private Eye yet? Perhaps even a simple pointer to this blog may be of interest to them.
They did print an informed piece about Mr Whyte (or was it Mr Charles?) a few months ago, but seem to have let the issue slide since then.
I bet my “Tales From Topographic Oceans” gatefold sleeve they’d get stuck right in …
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Because they think they can.
midcalderan @ 13:10
They also break the rules to achieve their desired outcome
WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:12
Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
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That final sentence is of the type which allows Spartans to be thrown out of the Scottish Cup but permits WhitsTheirName to get away wi’murder.
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Good professional people who know better don’t do those things.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:10
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Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Sometimes because they see others getting away with it.
For example, the reports that Bain wanted one of the EBTs that he was signing off for others allegedly.
Nawlite says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:38
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Not so much what’s said but who’s saying it.
When an influential blog begins to face facts it, just may, have some influence ‘further down the line’.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:10
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Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Because they think they can.
“They are still making friends wherevere they go ….”
Press & Journal – (06/09/2012)
Fourth man fined under new soccer hate-crime legislation
p3 News, North East. Jamie Buchan.
A fourth football fan has appeared in court charged with shouting sectarian abuse in a north-east football ground. Peter Michie was caught on camera at Rangers’ Division Three clash against Peterhead last month. The 23-year-old was filmed by officers at Balmoor Stadium as part of a joint operation by Grampian and Strathclyde police.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:54
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CW says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:01
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bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:51
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Bjay: You may already have this but this was the position at time of going into Administration, “Close Leasing is due £1.56m in relation to a deal that provided finance in exchange for future income from catering,….” but I’ve no idea what the present arrangements are.
Close Leasing had a fixed charge (standard security) on the heritable property owned by The Rangers Football Club plc of £1.5m.
Co-incidentally, D&P state that heritable property previously owned by Rangers was sold to Sevco for… you’ve guessed it… £1.5m. Therefore, the Close Leasing debt will, in due course, be satisfied by D&P from the money received from that sale.
Close Leasing, as far as I’m aware, have no financial links with Sevco.
Angus says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:03
I bet my “Tales From Topographic Oceans” gatefold sleeve they’d get stuck right in …
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I take it that’s a ‘Yes’ then?
I’ll get ma cloak…
/ Red Lichtie
On Bocanegra, he is listed as signing on the 30th, there were other transfers registered after him, would seem strange if there was “a hitch” which could not be cleared within the deadline.
Maybe someone in the MSM could clarify “hitch”, has he been registered with 3 clubs this season already??
Or is it transfers between clubs in a calender year scenario?
Did someone think THE Rangers were picking up his salary?
Were they only picking up the non EBT part?
Racing Santander
Transfers in (€0)
30/08/12 Jorge Alonso Real Valladolid Free
30/08/12 A. Kaluđerović Beijing Guoan Loan
30/08/12 C. Bocanegra Rangers Loan
Transfers out (€2.3M)
31/08/12 Edu Bedia Hércules N/A
iki says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:17
WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:12
Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
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That final sentence is of the type which allows Spartans to be thrown out of the Scottish Cup but permits WhitsTheirName to get away wi’murder.
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Iki this is what I have referred to for many a year as the ‘Biro Principle’
In many a work place there are employees who have gotten away with ‘murder’ over a number of years. You know the type of thing, fiddling expenses, using the company resources for their own needs, skiving, claiming others works as their own, although married probably doing a bit of inter office sh##ging etc etc.
It goes on for ages and nobody says a thing or tackles the problem. The perpetrator seems to have some unseen hold over the whole organisation that results in no action being taken whatsoever, despite everyone knowing the score.
Then one day a mild mannered employee, who has just worked away conscientiously for years never saying boo to a goose is found to have taken home a Biro from the stationary cupboard and all hell breaks loose. That person is then hit with the full force of what the company has to offer in terms of disciplinary procedures.
Meanwhile Jonny Boy just keeps going along on his merry little way……………………………….
HirsutePursuit says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:51
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HP.(ironic when we’re talking about finance 😆 )
I seem to rember a link between Mr Betts,the ex RFC(IA) director and Close Leasing.He may have been a broker,or something like that.If I get time later on I’ll try and search back.
HP,BJay.
You can find more info here wrt Betts/Close/RFC.It’s one of Pauls blogs from January.
Close Brothers Group is a finance house, closely connected to Primary Asset Finance. One of the main men there is Mr Phil Betts, erstwhile director of Rangers. He resigned suddenly less than two weeks ago.
It is understood that, through Close, substantial sums were borrowed on the strength of the season tickets.
On 9th August 2011 Rangers granted a security in favour of Close Leasing in connection with income from their catering contract with Azure (a company from the Murray stable!). This was recorded in a form MG01s.
Then, on 26th October, a further form MG05s Security was registered in connection with alterations to the floating charge in connection with the Azure contract, ranking this ahead of the floating charge holder. The parties to this deed were Close Leasing, Rangers Football Club PLC, Rangers FC Group Ltd and L:iberty Capital Ltd (being Mr Whyte’s 100% personally owned company based in the British Virgin Islands).
There does not appear, yet, to have been a security registered for the season ticket “mortgage†but as all the parties are on the same side, it might have been decided to leave it unregistered till necessary, as there was no way that Messrs Whyte and Betts, who have a long, productive and successful history together rescuing companies, would fall out.
Now however, Mr Betts is gone from both Club and Group. Hot on the heels of that Sir David Murray re-appears at Murray Park. In the immediate follow up the mainstream press suddenly start to turn on Mr Whyte.
Rumours abound that they have run, or are running, out of cash, and that even the transfer of Mr Jelavic won’t bring in enough to fund the ongoing operations.
Hope that helps,lads.
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 14:15
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Can I ask where you obtained the deatils from Small T?
The racing Santander web site claims to have only brought in 2 foreign players to the club in the transfer window….a Chilean and a Swede?
Why do THE Rangers only offer tickets one match at a time?
The only tickets you can buy online are for QOS 18th September, no others mentioned, this has been ongoing sonce they were born (Circa 2012)
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September 6, 2012 at 15:11
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September 6, 2012 at 15:00
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Good point, but I seem to remember CG claiming this was all part of the £1 Goodwill “purchase”.
Considering how much else D&P sold for a pound, you could almost believe CG this time.
Not a financial brain myself, are these types of sale values normal when selling as a “going concern”? Considering the amount creditors will not be getting, D&P sold assets at scandalously low prices.
But then again it was to someone assisting them in the scam, oops, sorrry, “transition”, so that must be alright then…
Interesting viewpoint re BDO from at least one resident accountant on KDS.
BTW, where’s Derek and Hugh, have they not TUPED over to here?
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September 6, 2012 at 16:36
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Has anyone seen anything to suggest that the Trademarks owned by The Rangers Football Club plc were actually purchased by Sevco.
Although Trademarks were listed in the CVA proposal (as a fixed-charge asset), there is nothing I have seen, that says they were actually sold.
If this is correct, Sevco are either trading under a name/crest/badge that they do not own or were gifted these trademarks for free by D&P.
Remember, they did not buy the club – only assets listed in the sale.
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Did someone not raise the possibility of Whyte having taken ownership of the club crest/badge -either personally or more likely via one of his multitude of companies – some months ago ? Phil Mac or even RTC himself I seem to recall.
It would seem that Asda, unlike any other business which has been set up in Larkhall, is not going to be bullied by local people into changing its logo from green, to blue. Good luck with that one, Asda.
However, I continued down to the end of the piece and read, “More from the Belfast Telegraph -”
First story: – “My year of hell, by man falsely accused of indecency with a horse.”
This is an absolute disgrace. How anyone could behave like this I will never know. And the man with the horse is a shocker too.
Out of curiosity, just checked the VB site, [I know…]
Although I am not a big fan of the writing style of the PMcG blog, the current VB post is an attempted character assasination of PMcG – with some distasteful content in the form of a list of questions.
But as far as I can tell, even if all the answers are as good/bad as some Sevco would like, it has nothing to do with the veracity of his book.
Bears must be getting very worried…
From Sky;
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
The story is false malicious lies,cruel & totally fabricated,unsubstantiated & most likely to be untrue…the horse thing.
The ASDA thing ….? Now that I will believe 🙂
I think the character assassination of PMG is an attempt by the House of Green to keep the book and everything contained therein toxic to Rangers fans. I don’t think it’s aimed at anyone else. That many others will want to read and push it up the bestseller list as a result won’t matter to them. What’s important is that the bears don’t read it or discuss its contents – hence the shower of shibboleths and over-the-top efforts to paint the book, the author, the publishers, and anything associated with the aforementioned as evil. It’s about keeping the fans on board, spending money, and servicing the Ticketus debt.
£1m crossbar challenge at end of season at Ibrox. Massive moonbeam from Green with no intention of making it to May?
A croosbar challenge ,is that not the what the refs report stated regards the disallowed goal at Berwick .
Also are 2012 fc carrying on the tradition of paltry payouts from the half time draw ,what a ruse that looked to be and I think they sold the tickets on the back of helping fund the new talent coming from Murky Park ,is that the same talent that ragers had to pay for because Minty sold the rights to 4 business men quite a few years back for 1m
Just thought I read it somewhere but maybe not .
Can anyone explain to me why the spl never charged ragers fc for the illegal registration of R D Boer and T A Flo regarding the small tax case ,ragers fc admitted liability regards this bill but I think CW disputed the amount .
Both players played for a total period of 4 yrs although I can,t remember how many games they were involved in .
Maybe we can add that wee hitch to the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng list
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 19:13
From Sky;
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
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How do you buy players when there is a transfer embargo for the next two windows?
That share issue would raise £200k, who is underwriting the rest??
I think Green would absolutely soil himself if the share issue was a success
The last thing he would want is thousands of Sevco supporters as shareholders, on his case
I must say though, he has been getting the moonbeams in early
Somebody asked about catering contracts.
I read some time ago that Tennents were running the suites.
Have a look at the “Hospitality packages”, all cash bars, no credit.
Most of the links don’t work either.
£75 for a 3 course Steak pie dinner and ticket for a SFL3 game seems pretty steep.
Does someone else run the Museum tours as well??
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 20:35
‘Who are these people???”t know
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Don’t know. But one of the directors is an Alastair Soan Green. ( Company no.SC284267, address given as Kinross). Is he connected to Charles? Might be if Blue Chip have just taken over the catering.
Sorry, smallteaser, I was trying to do my own post before I saw yours. probably certainly not directly connected Greens, but interesting co-incidence.
Disgusting to offer a prize of £1Million to hit the crossbar when creditors were left floundering. Anyone with a shred of decency would pay creditors.
As for the share issue I believe that this is nonsense, a reputable firm of accountants needs to sign the prospectus and the issue needs to be underwritten, but then Green has many multimillionaire backers.
It is doomed to failure if it ever gets off the ground.
FTT decision will blow them all out of the water.
Grant Russell of STV now saying all electronic transfer done before 12 and issues with the computer were at the SFL end and not SFA. So why was this not mentioned before and why the concern about having Templeton registered on time, if according to his tweet this was already made earlier in the night.
I think there are a number of companies selling packages for Ibrox, Bluechip is one of them.
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 20:58
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As for the share issue I believe that this is nonsense…It is doomed to failure if it ever gets off the ground.
FTT decision will blow them all out of the water.
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Agreed – so why is Charlie still around if he has bagged the season ticket money ?
If – as suggested elsewhere – the FTT decision is due out in September, then does Charlie need to create a diversionary ‘event’ which he can then blame for his sharp exit from Sevco ?
Or, schedule the share issue deliberately for after the FTT decision, so he can blame its failure on HMRC/CW/SDM ?
Would love to know his exit strategy on this one… 😉
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 21:08
So why is Charlie still around if he has bagged the season ticket money ?
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Maybe because he’s realised he can set up shell games like the Crossbar Challenge and have thousands of gullible Sevconians phoning up to enter unwinnable competitions at £1.50 a pop.
He has them eating out of his hand. He could set up a stall outside Ibrox selling Sevco sea monkeys and magic beans right now. They’d queue round the block.
The report from Sky’s “City” correspondent, who was fed lines by MediaHouse, states: “I understand that the consortium led by Charles Green, which took control of the Scottish outfit in a cut-price £5.5m deal to acquire its assets in June, is poised to hire Cenkos Securities, the broking firm, to handle the flotation. Cenkos is one of a number of brokers which have held talks with Mr Green’s consortium in recent weeks, and it remains possible that another firm will be appointed if an agreement cannot be reached, according to insiders.”
Cenkos look a respectable bunch. My bet is that Allenby Capital will get the gig.
Cue fairy stories and boiler rooms.
£20million? Some of the Rangers fans who post online may give the impression that they’re gullible idiots but, by and large, they’re a stingy bunch.
I think the real fun is about to begin . . .
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 19:13
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
mmm…
http://news.sky.com/story/981908/exclusive-rangers-plots-stock-market-return
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Brilliant!
1.Good news for Celtic.
2.Transfer Aquisitions
3.£20m(was worth £50m on a bad day said one investor)
4.Cenkos Securities(anyone heard of them) is one of a number of brokers which have held talks with Mr Green’s consortium in recent weeks, and it remains possible that another firm will be appointed if an agreement cannot be reached, according to insiders.
“It remains possible”…………………………we don’t have anybody!
5.Since the deal Mr Green, a former chief executive of Sheffield United, has struck a merchandising joint venture with Mike Ashley, the tycoon who owns Newcastle United and who may acquire a stake in Rangers as part of a stock market listing.
What a deal.A joint venture with a company who own only 100% of the deal and may aquire a stake.Wish I could invest in this company.
6.There have been few new stock market flotations of major British football clubs in recent years, with Manchester United’s recent listing in New York being a rare example.
Man Utd tried to float at $20 per share.Eventually settled for $14 and the price fell.”The Rangers are not Manchester Utd”.
7.The club declined to comment.
No wonder!
As one automatically does these days, thanks to the educational service provided by this blog, I routinely googled Cenkos.
I picked out this little bit referring to them. It’s not directly related to our main interest, and is a piece that is two years old, but is expressive of the mucky, dirty, inter-bred world of finance where, it seems, you really cannot trust anybody that you’re dealing with.
“The revelation that Cenkos staff were involved in drafting the letter is likely to promot questions about a potential conflict of interest. A spokesman for Cenkos, insisted that the broker had not advised Mr Woodford. “We have acted entirely properly at all times. As broker our role is to act as an intermediary,” he said.
Edgar Blamm says:
September 6, 2012 at 21:19
He has them eating out of his hand. He could set up a stall outside Ibrox selling Sevco sea monkeys and magic beans right now. They’d queue round the block.
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It’s been an incredible performance from Mr Charles. He’s played a blinder from the day he walked through the door into the public eye, after those weeks/months he spent sitting in the background absorbing everything like a sponge. His timing has been of Jerry Sadowitz standards, with each comment designed for either immediate bear/cash separation or to set his next move up.
I do believe Mr Charles has had this completely sussed from the very beginning, and is sharp enough to change direction as required – with possible outcomes differing only in the size of sack he needs to cart the cash away in at the end.
I’m not sure, therefore, why he came out with that one about being demoted to the bottom league “for not paying a fine”. It may have been a simple lie designed to deflect attention and belittle the charges against him, but I wonder whether there’s more to it.
Mr Charles is a hard-nosed businessman who is proving to be way harder-nosed than anyone else in the business he has chosen to plunder i.e. Scottish fitba. He has swatted dissenting voices aside and utterly silenced them, no matter their previous standing.
He knows that no-one is going to stand up to him now, and he cares not one bit for the future of our game.
The fatal mistake was letting him get the bears onside.
As it stands, there is only one winner in all of this and, ultimately, a lot of losers.
CE says:
September 6, 2012 at 03:05
Well said.
And I take exception to being told by Old Firm supporters not to refer to myself as a fan of a Diddy Team.
The Iceman says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:35
I completely agree with you on your point above.
Simply put, “The Rangers” will just claim they’ve “been punished enough”, whilst also pointing out this was the Oldco and the work of (-S)DM. Any action against them will be portrayed as evidence of bias and corruption AGAINST them. Further threats and intimidation will ensue along with even higher levels of righteous indignation.
No-one over at Mount Florida, nor the MSM, has any interest or motivation for digging up the drains. The quicker this can be forgotten the better, will be the primary objective.
@Iceman – I fear you’re right about the paper chase.
Even if much of it comes out, it will be delayed, fairly dry and not of immediate concern to people still involved in the game.
Hope I’m wrong.
Sent in response to my reply from the Scottish Government regarding the phoenix company.
(Original correspondence posted yesterday, 2012 at 23:08)
I shall let you know of any further replies.
Hello xxxx,
I’d like to thank you for taking the time to reply to my e-mail.
I completely agree that the governance of any sport should be left to the appropriate authorities, in this case the SFA.
It is paramount to any sport that there be one set of rules in a world-wide game that remain unencumbered by National politics.
These rules should by followed and applied without, as the saying goes, fear or favour.
I am also aware of FIFA’s views on non-footballing interference in what is perceived to be a footballing matter.
It would indeed be very foolish to start any action which could result in any punitive measures being applied to the whole of Scottish Football.
However, I think you may have missed the point of my original e-mail.
I do not think any of the issues that I raised had anything to do with football other than the fact the business of the two companies involved was, or is, to run a football club.
If we ignore the nature of their business the questions still remain.
“How can a new company (owing tens of millions in unpaid taxes and debts) possibly be trading legally under this near-identical name, plying the same trade, from the same premises, wearing the same company uniform, employing many of the same employees and presenting itself to all in sundry as the same (old) club.”
and
“given that Charles Green has been on record as stating that he became involved in the day to day running of the old club shortly after administration, but months before liquidation, would this not have made him a “shadow director” of the old company?”
Surely to God the theft of millions of pounds from the public purse by the means of unpaid taxes is not a mater for FIFA or the SFA. It is a matter for government.
The lack of comment or condemnation from all of our political servants is a stain on the collective character of our parliament.
For whatever reason, a blind eye has been cast upon one of the greatest scandals in our recent history, and it appears that there is no one in any position of authority who is brave enough to do anything about it.
Great governance sometimes takes great courage, and there has been absolutely none of that on display during this whole tawdry affair.
Governments are remembered and judged on not only what they do, but upon what they fail to do.
In my judgement on this matter, our government have, so far, failed us miserably.
With regards to your last point, I am pleased the you have pledged your commitment to football development in our country, but if this charade is allowed to continue unabashed then I have reservations about how many will stick around to support it.
Best regards,
bestdressedchicken
Just a wee update on T’ Rangers SFL over 21 dilema.
My previous lists seems to have missed out Fransesco Stella (21)
The latest squad list on wiki has 26 players plus Doian and Bocenegra out on loan.
Of the 26 players, 17 appear to be age 21 or over. The ‘TUPE Five’ are all over 21.
Now the SFL rule states that
“A club shall be permitted to register, at any one time, up to a maximum of
22 players, who have reached the age of 21 years on 1st January of the
appropriate year. The maximum number of 22 players includes players
registered by means of a temporary transfer. Additional players may be
registered by a club, however such players must be under 21 years of age
on 1st January of the appropriate year.”
Of the 17 over 21s 4 will only have turned 21 this year and therefore do not come into the equation until 1st Jan 2013.
Therefore despite Mr Charles saying the rule stopped him signing players he had space for 4. over 21’s within the limit of 22. (13 over 21’s plus the Tupe five =18)
If the TUPE five situation is resolved by 31 December 2012 then there will be no problem. 17 over 21’s going into 2013. (If Bocanegra and Doian come back for 2013/14 then it is still only 19).
If not resolved by then the TUPE Five can be added to the 17 to make the limit of 22.
However if Bocenegra comes back this season and the TUPE Five is not resolved by the end of the year someone will have to go.
That is of course all dependant on the TUPE Five registration really being an issue in realtion to the over 21 limit.. One which has still not been addressed by the MSM.
bestdressedchicken says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:32
Mate, outstanding stuff.
longtimelurker says:
September 6, 2012 at 09:22
“If that fails Bocanegra will be back at Ibrox next week. A Gers source said: “There has been a hitch at their end. We’re unsure if the deal has gone through.”
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Would this count as a registration AFTER the embargo?
Reading through the post above:-
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WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:34
” The maximum number of 22 players includes players registered by means of a temporary transfer.”
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Therefore a temporary transfer out would not be counted as registered player to THE Rangers, so Bocanegra becomes a new registration. Yes??
a somewhat overlooked post I thought….. very true too!
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/my-response-to-a-prolific-commenter-some-house-rules-re-free-speech/#comment-16286
‘k’
September 5, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Hi Paul, this can’t be going on can it?
1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “how dare you?” gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nut,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than- criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall- back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press that would report the leak.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
14. Scantly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.
15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don’t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
Noam Chomsky @daily_chomsky
The propaganda is distributed by the media. They don’t make it up, they just distribute it.
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incredibleadamspark says:
September 5, 2012 at 19:08
Have East Fife been yet?
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monster_mind says:
September 5, 2012 at 20:41pm
I contacted East Fife last Wednesday (via their website form) and asked them if they had recieved their share of the Ibrox gate, but received no reply. It’s long past due if they’ve not received their share yet.
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paulmac says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:20
Either the club official responsible for club communication is on annual leave or the answer is no…for if they had…yes would have come straight back!
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2nd email sent today to ‘office@eastfifefc.info’ to ask if they’ve received their share of the Ibrox gate recepits yet. (Money was due by 17 August IIRC)
Smallteaser,
Like your train of thought!
However, even I, who has grumbled regularly about squad sizes and late registrations, don’t think that you could say that he would need to be registered again.
Its likely that, even in properly run football authorities, the view would be that the player did not complete the move, so did not have his registration moved to the new club, therefore his registration remains with TRFC (or Sevco, or RFC depending on that particular can of worms).
The player’s return however would of course impact on the number of over 21s at the club.
I will draw my conclusions from the FTT ruling, the decision by the Independent Panel looking into fielding inelligible players, Lord Hodge’s decision on the conflict of interest issues and the BDO liquidation report as and when they are available.
There seem to be a lot of people dismissing these things before they are even published.
...”hitch” … ??
Might this word be used more often? Seems like everyone goes away thinking, ‘its OK, nothing to see here, just a ‘hitch’, just a ‘hitch’. Those ‘hitch’ thingies are pesky aren’t they? just a ‘hitch’. hope one of those doesn’t ever happen to me”.
SDM quote in the paper – ‘there’s been a hitch at our end and we haven’t paid proper amounts of tax for a decade’.
CW quoted – ‘There’s been a hitch at our end and the clubs popped into administration’.
CG – ‘Theres been a hitch and I haven’t actually got any money’.
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 11:45
My guess is that if the Bocenegra loan deal fails then they will just say that it never went through properly so he will revert to being a registered T’Rangers player in the same way that is the authorities had thrown out the Templeton papers he would be back playing in Maroon without any questions being asked.
The SFL rules allow 14 days for all the paperwork to be submitted. -See below – So I think the reverse would be true if an outgoing loan deal fails.
I don’t think it is a big issue other than Mr Charles having to pay his wages.
I also think the TUPE Five is a bit of a red herring but if it is still rumbling along come the new year and Bocenagra is back then a wee e-mail to the Annan and Elgin Chairmen prior to their games on 2nd and 5th January 2013 may be in order along with a bet with Mr Ladbroke for two 0-3 scorelines 🙂
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115.6 Clubs must submit Registration Documents, Contracts of Service and
amendments to Contracts of Service to the League within fourteen days of
their being made.
115.6.1 All Registration Documents which require to be signed on behalf of a club
must be signed by an Official whose specimen signature has been
submitted to and acknowledged by the League.
115.6.2 Any such Registration document which does not bear an authorised
signature will not be accepted.
115.6.3 Except those players listed in accordance with the terms of Rule 124.1.4,
in respect of players registered at age group levels 13 and 14, any player
who is on the Club List of Players does not require a re-registration each
season. All Registration Documents and Contracts of Service to be
obtained from the Chief Executive.
116 SPEEDY REGISTRATION
If desired to register a player at the last possible moment, the Registration
Documents may be sent by telefax or any other electronic means to the
League and must be received and found to be in good order before the
player shall be entitled to play for his new club. The original Registration
Documents must still be submitted to the League in accordance with the
timescale detailed in Rule 115.6. Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
Excellent post from a Servco supporter – and many good reply s over on Paul Mc Conville’s site
ber 5, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Phil, I wonder that you even waste your time making this argument, it’s clear the Sun has realised that publishing Bhain’s work will alienate Rangers fans and might lead to them being unable to sell their paper in another (half of a) major city in the UK. Whilst your argument is valid, I imagine people either understand this or they don’t. I imagine also your readership is quite polarised between people who generally think you talk a lot of sense (even Rangers fans of a more reasonable persuasion, amongst which I include myself) and people who hate you and believe you to be a lying evil Celtic fan out to besmirch their good club, If you are trying to convince these people through logical argument, I assure you it is futile.
I also wonder why you waste your time responding to this Baxter character. I was born and raised a Rangers fan in a family who loved Rangers, my Dad has a picture of me in an incubator at Paisley Maternity Hospital with a Rangers scarf wrapped around it. I have always supported Rangers, whilst frequently being embarrassed by elements of our support. My wife went to a Catholic girls school. Personally I believe all religion is nonsense, but uphold others rights to believe in it should they choose to do so. I suspect the majority of the people who propogate Sectarian hatred in Scotland on both sides of the divide are not doing so out of religious belief but rather out of some sort of ‘us and them’ mentality. These people are idiots.
Recent events at Ibrox have served to expose how much institutional support of Rangers in the Scottish media there really is. I have been surprised by this. It has served to show that Charles Green is a shrewd businessman whatever you might say. At no point do I see anything a few months ago suggesting Ibrox would be getting bigger crowds v Elgin City than Celtic park v Hibernian. That Charles Green has managed to motivate the support with the ‘it’s us against the world’ mentality, all for his own financial benefit, credits him with far more intelligence and nous than most commentators notice.
Your blog continues to make very shrewd and valuable observations on Scottish Football. That these are not subject to greater scrutiny is shocking, frankly.
Rangers do deserve to be punished for what has happened. Arguably, even if it was not a punishment and only a consequence, that has sufficiently happened. Previous league titles were won by 11 men playing 11 men on a football park. If they had additional contracts, well those contracts have brought the club into disrepute and into SFL3. Celtic will win many many titles before Rangers recover, this is fair and right. Celtic are entitled to take the moral high ground, but do they really want handed titles they didn’t win on a football park, and to what end? We are a small country, Rangers are not the most successful club in World Football, not if you scale the achievements by their significance.
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TBK September 6, 2012 at 11:54
Those 17 Techniques for Truth Suppression were written by someone else – I am sure “k” meant to attribute them and make the valid point that what has been used for cover-ups in the past elsewhere is alive and kicking in Scotland and shows the levels the media in our country has sunk to…
http://www.american-buddha.com/17.techniques.htm
The 17 techniques for Truth Suppression were indeed written by someone else. k acknowledged it in a later post.
Scary just how appropriate they seem to be here.
p.s forgot to credit the author,
based on,Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression. by David Martin
jockybhoy says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:22
many thanks Jocky…. excellent spot!
I’m off to examine a book, cover to cover!!!!! 😉
CW says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:01
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bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:51
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Bjay: You may already have this but this was the position at time of going into Administration, “Close Leasing is due £1.56m in relation to a deal that provided finance in exchange for future income from catering,….” but I’ve no idea what the present arrangements are.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/rangers-creditors-facing-long-wait-to-get-cash-back.17734406?_=3b69df951b3d4c18c3cb681597fbb9bba88d799c
Has anyone compiled a synopsis of current goings-on and forwarded it to Private Eye yet? Perhaps even a simple pointer to this blog may be of interest to them.
They did print an informed piece about Mr Whyte (or was it Mr Charles?) a few months ago, but seem to have let the issue slide since then.
I bet my “Tales From Topographic Oceans” gatefold sleeve they’d get stuck right in …
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Because they think they can.
midcalderan @ 13:10
They also break the rules to achieve their desired outcome
WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:12
Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
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That final sentence is of the type which allows Spartans to be thrown out of the Scottish Cup but permits WhitsTheirName to get away wi’murder.
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Good professional people who know better don’t do those things.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:10
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Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Sometimes because they see others getting away with it.
For example, the reports that Bain wanted one of the EBTs that he was signing off for others allegedly.
Nawlite says:
September 5, 2012 at 21:38
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Not so much what’s said but who’s saying it.
When an influential blog begins to face facts it, just may, have some influence ‘further down the line’.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:10
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Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 10:11
What causes good professional people, who clearly know better, to take the wrong path and ignore, break or invent rules?
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Because they think they can.
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Usually money, it’s always money even power starts off as a money thing.
Then there is fear of the jail and losing all of the money.
Depressingly familiar.
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Lifted from KDS.
“They are still making friends wherevere they go ….”
Press & Journal – (06/09/2012)
Fourth man fined under new soccer hate-crime legislation
p3 News, North East. Jamie Buchan.
A fourth football fan has appeared in court charged with shouting sectarian abuse in a north-east football ground. Peter Michie was caught on camera at Rangers’ Division Three clash against Peterhead last month. The 23-year-old was filmed by officers at Balmoor Stadium as part of a joint operation by Grampian and Strathclyde police.
midcalderan says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:54
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CW says:
September 6, 2012 at 00:01
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bjay says:
September 5, 2012 at 23:51
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Bjay: You may already have this but this was the position at time of going into Administration, “Close Leasing is due £1.56m in relation to a deal that provided finance in exchange for future income from catering,….” but I’ve no idea what the present arrangements are.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/rangers-creditors-facing-long-wait-to-get-cash-back.17734406?_=3b69df951b3d4c18c3cb681597fbb9bba88d799c
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From memory only.
Close Leasing had a fixed charge (standard security) on the heritable property owned by The Rangers Football Club plc of £1.5m.
Co-incidentally, D&P state that heritable property previously owned by Rangers was sold to Sevco for… you’ve guessed it… £1.5m. Therefore, the Close Leasing debt will, in due course, be satisfied by D&P from the money received from that sale.
Close Leasing, as far as I’m aware, have no financial links with Sevco.
Angus says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:03
I bet my “Tales From Topographic Oceans” gatefold sleeve they’d get stuck right in …
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I take it that’s a ‘Yes’ then?
I’ll get ma cloak…
/ Red Lichtie
On Bocanegra, he is listed as signing on the 30th, there were other transfers registered after him, would seem strange if there was “a hitch” which could not be cleared within the deadline.
Maybe someone in the MSM could clarify “hitch”, has he been registered with 3 clubs this season already??
Or is it transfers between clubs in a calender year scenario?
Did someone think THE Rangers were picking up his salary?
Were they only picking up the non EBT part?
Racing Santander
Transfers in (€0)
30/08/12 Jorge Alonso Real Valladolid Free
30/08/12 A. Kaluđerović Beijing Guoan Loan
30/08/12 C. Bocanegra Rangers Loan
Transfers out (€2.3M)
31/08/12 Edu Bedia Hércules N/A
iki says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:17
WOTTPI says:
September 6, 2012 at 12:12
Any club infringing this Rule shall be dealt
with as the Board may decide.
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That final sentence is of the type which allows Spartans to be thrown out of the Scottish Cup but permits WhitsTheirName to get away wi’murder.
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Iki this is what I have referred to for many a year as the ‘Biro Principle’
In many a work place there are employees who have gotten away with ‘murder’ over a number of years. You know the type of thing, fiddling expenses, using the company resources for their own needs, skiving, claiming others works as their own, although married probably doing a bit of inter office sh##ging etc etc.
It goes on for ages and nobody says a thing or tackles the problem. The perpetrator seems to have some unseen hold over the whole organisation that results in no action being taken whatsoever, despite everyone knowing the score.
Then one day a mild mannered employee, who has just worked away conscientiously for years never saying boo to a goose is found to have taken home a Biro from the stationary cupboard and all hell breaks loose. That person is then hit with the full force of what the company has to offer in terms of disciplinary procedures.
Meanwhile Jonny Boy just keeps going along on his merry little way……………………………….
HirsutePursuit says:
September 6, 2012 at 13:51
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HP.(ironic when we’re talking about finance 😆 )
I seem to rember a link between Mr Betts,the ex RFC(IA) director and Close Leasing.He may have been a broker,or something like that.If I get time later on I’ll try and search back.
HP,BJay.
You can find more info here wrt Betts/Close/RFC.It’s one of Pauls blogs from January.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/did-rangers-mortgage-their-season-ticket-income-for-four-years-and-is-it-all-spent/
A wee bit on here also.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/floating-charges-and-rangers/
Who might these London financiers be?
Close Brothers Group is a finance house, closely connected to Primary Asset Finance. One of the main men there is Mr Phil Betts, erstwhile director of Rangers. He resigned suddenly less than two weeks ago.
It is understood that, through Close, substantial sums were borrowed on the strength of the season tickets.
On 9th August 2011 Rangers granted a security in favour of Close Leasing in connection with income from their catering contract with Azure (a company from the Murray stable!). This was recorded in a form MG01s.
Then, on 26th October, a further form MG05s Security was registered in connection with alterations to the floating charge in connection with the Azure contract, ranking this ahead of the floating charge holder. The parties to this deed were Close Leasing, Rangers Football Club PLC, Rangers FC Group Ltd and L:iberty Capital Ltd (being Mr Whyte’s 100% personally owned company based in the British Virgin Islands).
There does not appear, yet, to have been a security registered for the season ticket “mortgage†but as all the parties are on the same side, it might have been decided to leave it unregistered till necessary, as there was no way that Messrs Whyte and Betts, who have a long, productive and successful history together rescuing companies, would fall out.
Now however, Mr Betts is gone from both Club and Group. Hot on the heels of that Sir David Murray re-appears at Murray Park. In the immediate follow up the mainstream press suddenly start to turn on Mr Whyte.
Rumours abound that they have run, or are running, out of cash, and that even the transfer of Mr Jelavic won’t bring in enough to fund the ongoing operations.
Hope that helps,lads.
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 14:15
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Can I ask where you obtained the deatils from Small T?
The racing Santander web site claims to have only brought in 2 foreign players to the club in the transfer window….a Chilean and a Swede?
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/rfc-2012-plc
What the Jambo fans think:
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/99270-hmrc-freeze-rangers-bank-accounts-martin-bain-story-merged/page__st__1600
Our heros statement when he purchased RFC.Betts & Ellis mentioned here.
http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/staticFiles/4d/76/0,,5~161357,00.pdf
paulmac says:
September 6, 2012 at 15:00
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Can I ask where you obtained the deatils from Small T?
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http://www.soccerway.com/national/spain/segunda-division/20122013/regular-season/transfers/
Why do THE Rangers only offer tickets one match at a time?
The only tickets you can buy online are for QOS 18th September, no others mentioned, this has been ongoing sonce they were born (Circa 2012)
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September 6, 2012 at 15:11
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September 6, 2012 at 15:00
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Can I ask where you obtained the deatils from Small T?
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http://www.soccerway.com/national/spain/segunda-division/20122013/regular-season/transfers/
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Spanish transfer “window slammed shut” at midnight on 31st August
iamacant says:
September 6, 2012 at 15:59
Spanish transfer “window slammed shut” at midnight on 31st August
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And???
http://www.rangers.co.uk/index.php/club/administrators-information/item/download/31_2ab6f02c3ebc1d4ab259e00f0e6b842b
Page 43.
http://www.rangers.co.uk/images/staticcontent/documents/administratorsinformation/Rangers%20-%20Progress%20Report%20-%2024%20August%202012.PDF
Has anyone seen anything to suggest that the Trademarks owned by The Rangers Football Club plc were actually purchased by Sevco.
Although Trademarks were listed in the CVA proposal (as a fixed-charge asset), there is nothing I have seen, that says they were actually sold.
If this is correct, Sevco are either trading under a name/crest/badge that they do not own or were gifted these trademarks for free by D&P.
Remember, they did not buy the club – only assets listed in the sale.
D&P: The BBC’s view.
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11718581&t=8646896
HirsutePursuit,
Good point, but I seem to remember CG claiming this was all part of the £1 Goodwill “purchase”.
Considering how much else D&P sold for a pound, you could almost believe CG this time.
Not a financial brain myself, are these types of sale values normal when selling as a “going concern”? Considering the amount creditors will not be getting, D&P sold assets at scandalously low prices.
But then again it was to someone assisting them in the scam, oops, sorrry, “transition”, so that must be alright then…
Interesting viewpoint re BDO from at least one resident accountant on KDS.
BTW, where’s Derek and Hugh, have they not TUPED over to here?
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11718581&t=8646896
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Has anyone seen anything to suggest that the Trademarks owned by The Rangers Football Club plc were actually purchased by Sevco.
Although Trademarks were listed in the CVA proposal (as a fixed-charge asset), there is nothing I have seen, that says they were actually sold.
If this is correct, Sevco are either trading under a name/crest/badge that they do not own or were gifted these trademarks for free by D&P.
Remember, they did not buy the club – only assets listed in the sale.
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Did someone not raise the possibility of Whyte having taken ownership of the club crest/badge -either personally or more likely via one of his multitude of companies – some months ago ? Phil Mac or even RTC himself I seem to recall.
FTTT musings.
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11718759&t=8646896
The Belfast Telegraph ran the following story regarding Asda’s intention to open up a new superstore in Larkhall:
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/larkhall-scottish-town-where-sectarianism-is-so-strong-that-shops-have-had-to-repaint-their-green-fronts-16204244.html
It would seem that Asda, unlike any other business which has been set up in Larkhall, is not going to be bullied by local people into changing its logo from green, to blue. Good luck with that one, Asda.
However, I continued down to the end of the piece and read, “More from the Belfast Telegraph -”
First story: – “My year of hell, by man falsely accused of indecency with a horse.”
This is an absolute disgrace. How anyone could behave like this I will never know. And the man with the horse is a shocker too.
Out of curiosity, just checked the VB site, [I know…]
Although I am not a big fan of the writing style of the PMcG blog, the current VB post is an attempted character assasination of PMcG – with some distasteful content in the form of a list of questions.
But as far as I can tell, even if all the answers are as good/bad as some Sevco would like, it has nothing to do with the veracity of his book.
Bears must be getting very worried…
From Sky;
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
mmm…
http://news.sky.com/story/981908/exclusive-rangers-plots-stock-market-return
Doon the slope says:
September 6, 2012 at 18:40
The story is false malicious lies,cruel & totally fabricated,unsubstantiated & most likely to be untrue…the horse thing.
The ASDA thing ….? Now that I will believe 🙂
I think the character assassination of PMG is an attempt by the House of Green to keep the book and everything contained therein toxic to Rangers fans. I don’t think it’s aimed at anyone else. That many others will want to read and push it up the bestseller list as a result won’t matter to them. What’s important is that the bears don’t read it or discuss its contents – hence the shower of shibboleths and over-the-top efforts to paint the book, the author, the publishers, and anything associated with the aforementioned as evil. It’s about keeping the fans on board, spending money, and servicing the Ticketus debt.
£1m crossbar challenge at end of season at Ibrox. Massive moonbeam from Green with no intention of making it to May?
A croosbar challenge ,is that not the what the refs report stated regards the disallowed goal at Berwick .
Also are 2012 fc carrying on the tradition of paltry payouts from the half time draw ,what a ruse that looked to be and I think they sold the tickets on the back of helping fund the new talent coming from Murky Park ,is that the same talent that ragers had to pay for because Minty sold the rights to 4 business men quite a few years back for 1m
Just thought I read it somewhere but maybe not .
Can anyone explain to me why the spl never charged ragers fc for the illegal registration of R D Boer and T A Flo regarding the small tax case ,ragers fc admitted liability regards this bill but I think CW disputed the amount .
Both players played for a total period of 4 yrs although I can,t remember how many games they were involved in .
Maybe we can add that wee hitch to the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnng list
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 19:13
From Sky;
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
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How do you buy players when there is a transfer embargo for the next two windows?
That share issue would raise £200k, who is underwriting the rest??
I think Green would absolutely soil himself if the share issue was a success
The last thing he would want is thousands of Sevco supporters as shareholders, on his case
I must say though, he has been getting the moonbeams in early
Somebody asked about catering contracts.
I read some time ago that Tennents were running the suites.
Have a look at the “Hospitality packages”, all cash bars, no credit.
Most of the links don’t work either.
£75 for a 3 course Steak pie dinner and ticket for a SFL3 game seems pretty steep.
Does someone else run the Museum tours as well??
Catering at Ibrox hospitality
http://www.bluechiphospitality.com/Rangers_Hospitality
Who are these people???
Would you believe another guy called Green!!!
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/alastair-green/5/26/b06
smallteaser says:
September 6, 2012 at 20:35
‘Who are these people???”t know
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Don’t know. But one of the directors is an Alastair Soan Green. ( Company no.SC284267, address given as Kinross). Is he connected to Charles? Might be if Blue Chip have just taken over the catering.
Sorry, smallteaser, I was trying to do my own post before I saw yours. probably certainly not directly connected Greens, but interesting co-incidence.
Disgusting to offer a prize of £1Million to hit the crossbar when creditors were left floundering. Anyone with a shred of decency would pay creditors.
As for the share issue I believe that this is nonsense, a reputable firm of accountants needs to sign the prospectus and the issue needs to be underwritten, but then Green has many multimillionaire backers.
It is doomed to failure if it ever gets off the ground.
FTT decision will blow them all out of the water.
Grant Russell of STV now saying all electronic transfer done before 12 and issues with the computer were at the SFL end and not SFA. So why was this not mentioned before and why the concern about having Templeton registered on time, if according to his tweet this was already made earlier in the night.
I think there are a number of companies selling packages for Ibrox, Bluechip is one of them.
Hoopy 7 says:
September 6, 2012 at 20:58
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As for the share issue I believe that this is nonsense…It is doomed to failure if it ever gets off the ground.
FTT decision will blow them all out of the water.
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Agreed – so why is Charlie still around if he has bagged the season ticket money ?
If – as suggested elsewhere – the FTT decision is due out in September, then does Charlie need to create a diversionary ‘event’ which he can then blame for his sharp exit from Sevco ?
Or, schedule the share issue deliberately for after the FTT decision, so he can blame its failure on HMRC/CW/SDM ?
Would love to know his exit strategy on this one… 😉
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 21:08
So why is Charlie still around if he has bagged the season ticket money ?
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Maybe because he’s realised he can set up shell games like the Crossbar Challenge and have thousands of gullible Sevconians phoning up to enter unwinnable competitions at £1.50 a pop.
He has them eating out of his hand. He could set up a stall outside Ibrox selling Sevco sea monkeys and magic beans right now. They’d queue round the block.
The report from Sky’s “City” correspondent, who was fed lines by MediaHouse, states: “I understand that the consortium led by Charles Green, which took control of the Scottish outfit in a cut-price £5.5m deal to acquire its assets in June, is poised to hire Cenkos Securities, the broking firm, to handle the flotation. Cenkos is one of a number of brokers which have held talks with Mr Green’s consortium in recent weeks, and it remains possible that another firm will be appointed if an agreement cannot be reached, according to insiders.”
Cenkos look a respectable bunch. My bet is that Allenby Capital will get the gig.
Cue fairy stories and boiler rooms.
£20million? Some of the Rangers fans who post online may give the impression that they’re gullible idiots but, by and large, they’re a stingy bunch.
I think the real fun is about to begin . . .
StevieBC says:
September 6, 2012 at 19:13
“The new owner of Rangers Football Club is close to appointing advisers to kick off a swift return to the London stock market…
People close to the situation said that it could seek to raise as much as £20m, part of which is likely to be used to fund the acquisitions of new players…”
mmm…
http://news.sky.com/story/981908/exclusive-rangers-plots-stock-market-return
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Brilliant!
1.Good news for Celtic.
2.Transfer Aquisitions
3.£20m(was worth £50m on a bad day said one investor)
4.Cenkos Securities(anyone heard of them) is one of a number of brokers which have held talks with Mr Green’s consortium in recent weeks, and it remains possible that another firm will be appointed if an agreement cannot be reached, according to insiders.
“It remains possible”…………………………we don’t have anybody!
5.Since the deal Mr Green, a former chief executive of Sheffield United, has struck a merchandising joint venture with Mike Ashley, the tycoon who owns Newcastle United and who may acquire a stake in Rangers as part of a stock market listing.
What a deal.A joint venture with a company who own only 100% of the deal and may aquire a stake.Wish I could invest in this company.
6.There have been few new stock market flotations of major British football clubs in recent years, with Manchester United’s recent listing in New York being a rare example.
Man Utd tried to float at $20 per share.Eventually settled for $14 and the price fell.”The Rangers are not Manchester Utd”.
7.The club declined to comment.
No wonder!
As one automatically does these days, thanks to the educational service provided by this blog, I routinely googled Cenkos.
I picked out this little bit referring to them. It’s not directly related to our main interest, and is a piece that is two years old, but is expressive of the mucky, dirty, inter-bred world of finance where, it seems, you really cannot trust anybody that you’re dealing with.
“The revelation that Cenkos staff were involved in drafting the letter is likely to promot questions about a potential conflict of interest. A spokesman for Cenkos, insisted that the broker had not advised Mr Woodford. “We have acted entirely properly at all times. As broker our role is to act as an intermediary,” he said.
Edgar Blamm says:
September 6, 2012 at 21:19
He has them eating out of his hand. He could set up a stall outside Ibrox selling Sevco sea monkeys and magic beans right now. They’d queue round the block.
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It’s been an incredible performance from Mr Charles. He’s played a blinder from the day he walked through the door into the public eye, after those weeks/months he spent sitting in the background absorbing everything like a sponge. His timing has been of Jerry Sadowitz standards, with each comment designed for either immediate bear/cash separation or to set his next move up.
I do believe Mr Charles has had this completely sussed from the very beginning, and is sharp enough to change direction as required – with possible outcomes differing only in the size of sack he needs to cart the cash away in at the end.
I’m not sure, therefore, why he came out with that one about being demoted to the bottom league “for not paying a fine”. It may have been a simple lie designed to deflect attention and belittle the charges against him, but I wonder whether there’s more to it.
Mr Charles is a hard-nosed businessman who is proving to be way harder-nosed than anyone else in the business he has chosen to plunder i.e. Scottish fitba. He has swatted dissenting voices aside and utterly silenced them, no matter their previous standing.
He knows that no-one is going to stand up to him now, and he cares not one bit for the future of our game.
The fatal mistake was letting him get the bears onside.
As it stands, there is only one winner in all of this and, ultimately, a lot of losers.
Ian Hislop – you’re up, mate.