1,574 thoughts on “Where now for the Judicial Panel Protocol?”
Three Amigos
It was cancelled as inappropriate to current events.
Supporters views being canvassed on what is really needed.
Check Glasnost site on Reform of Scottish Football page for more.
Hearts have proven once again that they can compeat at a higher level and long may this continue as with Dundee Utd and Motherwell ,if Aberdeen can also up their game then who knows where Scottish football may be in 3/4 years time,it would be also interesting to follow the fortunes of the corruptors and what prison they will be lingering in at the same time,the longer this evil pantomine plays out the more I am conviced that the people in the know are keeping their powder dry and its not the whites of the eyes they are keeping it for ,once the good guys are convinced that they have all evidence out and culprits identified the process of cleansing Scottish Football will then commence ,lets keep the ball on the deck and we wont require any time added on at the end of this game .
I have stated many times over the last 6-7 months….The SFA have and will continue to support and promote corruption and dishonesty….we could add criminality to their portfolio…
As soon as they realised that the internet bampots had created a succesful opposition so powerful in what was being planned regarding SEVCO into the SPL…the powers that be had no choice to simply accept they had no alternative but to be openly corrupt in their decisions…knowing there was very little anyone could do…
They knew the chairmen of the SPL clubs would never challenge their decisions…
They knew the chairmen of the SFL clubs would never challenge their decisions…
They knew the compliant SEVCO/Rangers season ticket holding media bods where on board…
They knew UEFA/FIFA would not get involved…
ho does that leave us with?….The internet bampots…thats who..
So who can or could challenge the blatently corrupt and dishonest actions of the SFA…an organistaion that still has a man working there who accepted tax evasion payments from Rangers under Minty…the SFA whose media representative was (could still be) an ex Ibrox season ticket holder (allegedly)
From top to bottom the SFA are rotten to the core..
How does this pan out? who knows…we can only do so much…but when the SFA can openly make decsions that are corrupt and dishonest…how can justice be achieved? The reason we go to great lengths to expose the corruption we see..is in the hope that the powers that be deal with it….but when it is the powers that be that are committing it…we’re dead in the water…
This needs a CH4 Thompson/BBC Daly intervention of the hour long version…for this cannot and must not continue….
I also believe those at the helm at Celtic should be more vocal…otherwise they are compliant with what is taking place…now we have made the CL groups stage and the season is under way I am certain they are hoping that the football distraction will create the apathy needed to allow the grand scheme to complete..
It is going to be a long hard fight….who is up for it?
Allyjambo Taxpayer says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:46
Of course it is probably the case that without the supposed investors and the IPO T’ Rangers can’t afford to sign Templeton and McGowan and then pay them the required wages after that.
Even some of the growling Bears are getting it on Rangers Rumours
“31 Aug 2012 07:17:42
Bids for Templeton and McGowan are nothing more than smoke screens guys, no danger they will be Rangers players by the end of today. Same scenario as last year with Goodwillie only a different board doing it to us!
I’ve been really impressed with Green so far however this transfer proper gander won’t get him anywhere!”
And that then begs the types of questions continually asked in the Dragon’s Den –
If you are showing no signs of strengthening the squad (investing in & developing the business) and will not be able to do anything else until Jan 2014, what is it you would be spending my investment money on? (How do I tell Mrs Bannatyne I’m not using our Kids inheritance money just to pay your wages.)
You appear to have maximised one of your main income streams (season tickets), where else do you see income being generated and how much will that bring in?
Even if I did invest when will I see a return?
Give me your figures for years 1, 2 & 3.
You value the company at £50m – frankly that’s ridiculous etc etc.
dunloytim says:
August 31, 2012 at 00:02
Today the SFA have confirmed again[in case we missed it first time round] that no matter what Fat boy does or says they will not punish him in any shape or form.If memory serves me right they gave Pat Fenlon a 2 match touchline ban for getting into a bit of verbals with hearts supporters on cup final day.
This site should as a matter of urgency make it known to the so called guardian’s of our game that thier behaviour toward’s dead club will no longer be accepted.
Every player/manager should tell the guardian’s of our game to gtf if they ever bring them up on charges after letting Fat boy of again today.
What have this f***ing club and it’s management got to do before the guardian’s of our game stand up to them.
All this crap about we have been punished enough please do us all a favor and just stfu,everything that has happened has been self inflicted and you know it.
And i see they now want to buy more player’s from hearts even though they still have not paid for the last one they bought.Pass the brasso please
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Very good comparison, dunloy, between the treatment of McCoist and Fenlon. Even as a Jambo I felt his ‘sending off’ a bit unfortunate, the guy must have been at his lowest and finding the taunting just too much to take, but for the panel not to allow for ‘mitigating circumstances’ was more than a little harsh, and his actions merely added to the Hearts supporters’ enjoyment and very unlikely to incite anybody. On the other hand we have McCoist… no need to add further comment. If Fenlon’s ban was in any way justified, a full season touchline ban would not have been out of the question for the rabble rouser.
I am no admirer of Neil Lennon, and I’m sure many of his outburst are contrived and aimed at influencing officials/referees (not opening a debate here, it’s just how I see him), but he is undoubtedly a gentleman when compared to SFL3’s highest paid manager. What’s more, the complicity of the SFA in this whole Rangers’ farce has convinced me that much of what he (Lennon) has claimed must have a solid foundation.
iamacant says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:47
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Two things jump out from this.
1. That an individual within the organistaion should openly respond in such a way is astonishing.
What do they intend to do?…what can they do? by the sounds of it..they are not long for remaining at that post either by their own choice or made for them…
2. Can the source be trusted to have made those conmments without bias or agenda?
There is always a danger that the individual will be labelled and therefore his opinion diluted as nothing more than a pro (insert club name) or anti (insert club name)
The sfa hasn’t got the brains to be compared to the mafia. They are more like The Bash Street Gang or The Ladykillers. Their level of transparent ineptitude and incompetence would be laughable if they weren’t doing such damage. Their bending over backwards to accommodate a proven corrupt gang is despicable. What sweet nothings must have been whispered in their ears?
Were headless horses left on their waking beds ? No. More like headless chickens squawking wildly in their offices and them giving the noise the respect of holy writ.
They are craven cowards and totally bent. Beyond redemption,lacking any credibility and them being paid for all this is tantamount to theft.
The next Scotland game will be so sparsely attended that it will be an embarassment.
But, of course, they will not give a damn. They are only in existence to prop up one stinking club.
Brass necks? Shameless? Nah. Just non-executive directors of t’rangers and incompetent thugs.
A piece from the Herald (on line)this morning..
Scotland manager believes the national team can unify the country after its football “soul” was laid bare by the Rangers crisis this summer..!!
The “crisis” was not caused in the summer..the “crisis” was being continually exposed,detailed & evidently ignored a long long time before this.The cowardly slugs within the MSM/RFC/ DUFF & DUFFER (copywrite owned)SEVCO/TRFC/SFA & SPL,still & to this day are more than aware & complicit with their lies/Slug like propaganda attempting to cover it up.
“Our” football soul has been stolen from us,it is now seriously infected, pitch black & being allowed to slowly die in the hands of these COWARDLY VILE & REPULSIVE INDIVIDUALS !!
Do “We” want it back..can it be healed..or will it be better for the “footballing country” to just continue in handwringing humin & hawing..whilst watching it rot..?
rant over..!
I wonder if the disciplinary tribunal bothered to seek opinion from those on the previously outed panel members, and what they felt about McCoist’s statements and their effects? Or was it only a dream…did it really happen?… Anyhoo, as a poster above asked, will transcripts be available?
Ordinary Fan says:
August 31, 2012 at 02:56
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Regards my last post, I’m not saying Regan is legally bound as in a gagging order or the like, I’m just saying he would have definitely had it thoroughly checked by Lawyers.
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He is a lawyer
Alex Cox says:
August 31, 2012 at 12:45
He is a lawyer
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Lest we forget, this is what our hero, Mr White told us way back in April, as reported in the guardian, following being banned from the game and fined, and I quote…
Whyte said: “Tell me how it is going to affect me? I couldn’t care less. It makes no difference to my life whatsoever – and good luck collecting the money.
“It is very harsh on Rangers. I am surprised at how harsh the SFA have been on a club which is going through tough times at the moment. Stewart Regan [the chief executive] and Campbell Ogilvie [the president] should resign and get out of Scottish football. The SFA want to kick Rangers when they are down and I hope people remember that. They are playing to the media.”
Craig White knows it, we know it. The SFA / SPL will implode pretty soon I think, to the detriment of our game, in the short to medium term.
You are, of course, correct that it is most probably a smokescreen, but Hearts showed a lack of foresight in selling Wallace on an installment basis, and with most SPL clubs apparently blinded by the smokescreen, who’s to say Hearts wouldn’t fall for it again and accept promised installments? More to the point, what do the SFA think of this? Are they not thoroughly embarrassed by it all? Time and time again they are seen to be hoodwinked by Green, or are complicit in his shemes, and yet whenever the opportunity comes to force him into line they let him off with a gentle rebuke and a smile.
It is strange, that with SKY still saying the Templeton and McGowan transfers are still on the table, that Hearts appear to be signing Ryan Stevenson, a player who is surely the type of player ideal for Sevco with experience in the SPL and lower divisions, and a lot cheaper than either of the aforementioned. It surely can’t please the SFA to see a player whose form this season must surely see him in the Scotland team soon, going to a club in SFL3, where, no matter how well he plays, he can’t be judged in terms of international standard.
More worrying for the longterm welfare of Scottish football is, if a player of Templeton’s qualities, shone brightly in two matches against Liverpool, can’t tempt a Championship side, at least, to come north with an offer that beats Sevco’s, how low do English League clubs view Scottish football and Scottish players? Are our homegrown players really that bad?
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
How can they possibly justify the expense (even if it is only wages) of bringing more players in, particularly those of an SPL and even international standard. Where would the money be coming from.
easyJambo says:
August 31, 2012 at 10:41
(I’d be prepared to give some credit to the SFA that they probably believed Sevco ……..
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And yet, you have always seemed such a sensible person, EJ.
Neal,
‘We have a huge job in front of us’.
As I have said before, unless the remainder of Scottish clubs explore the possibility of setting up their own CLEAN leagues, the game is doomed. last night’s punishment (sic) is an example-of what to expect for the foreseeable future. Can anybody argue that, if this type of administration continues, that the game is not doomed? It will be well nigh impossible now to administer any discipline associated with the game of football in Scotland. If, by your actions and statements, you cause real danger to members of an august independent tribunal, and their families, set up by the very people charged with the responsibility of administering the game and implementing the rules, you find you are banned (after several previous indiscretions ) for three games,(suspended) then I suggest that it is only a matter of time before the complete edifice will crumble.
In the meantime I urge supporters, for the good of the game long-term, to boycott upcoming International games. Further, I feel we should do our utmost to canvass fellow supporters to do likewise, it is one of the few weapons we hold.
What is the point of this really?
Football in Scotland is dead.
We have judges and politicians acquiescing in, and indeed actively encouraging, criminality, and ignoring theft and fraud to save an institution whoise chief claims to fame are the long term implementation of an exclusion policy, a vile songbook by its supporters, a callous attitude to the plight of other clubs, and a wanton disregard for living within its means which led to its bankruptcy amid welters of illegal practices up to and including theft and fraud.
. The SFA and “Rangers” are now one and the same – this entity was created as a response to the death of a football club by the SFA for its own ends – it cannot then hope to discipline it.
The SFA are Rangers – therefore if you support any game under the auspices of the SFA , you support Rangers.
If you support Celtic, you support Rangers; if you support Morton you support Rangers, even if you support the brave and bold Turnbull’s Raith rovers – you still end up supporting Rangers!
Even more worryingly though, given the actions of the First minister the bizarre and unaccountable delays of judges both on football panels and in the courts of the land which allow injustice upon injustice to be committed with impunity – it now seems that if you live in Scotland, and pay taxes in Scotland, then Scottish institutions have forced you into subsidising and supporting Rangers. This is a rotten, vile, nasty, corrupt, little country run by apologists and conspirators for the survival of dead club.
It is a bit like UTAH , Scotland , only instead of being dominated by a cult formed in the late 19th century, we are dominated by – oh wait, yeah – a cult formed in the late 19th century! Albeit one reborn and refashioned in the End Times (well if you’re Mayan)
Time to emigrate!!
Alex Cox says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:02
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
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Because history shows the size and depth of the squad wins leagues. When the injuries and suspensions kick in there is always extra manpower available and of course competition for places keeps the players focused. That is one of the main reasons why only two teams, one of them no happily deceased, ever win the SPL.
I e-mailed Raith Rovers (copying in the SFA) asking if they had been given any information from the SFA about yesterdays decisions re the McCoist interview. Here’s the wonderful Turnbull Hutton’s tounge in cheek response
“We at Raith Rovers know as much about the situation as you do. It would certainly be interesting for us to know who are these people…..we could even DEMAND to know who these people are. We could feign mock indignation, a quivering lip……….you get the drift?
We will now forward our bill for additional security charges to the SFA. I’m sure they will be delighted to support a member club who have suffered hardship.
Thanks for your interest. Never a dull moment!
Kind regards
Turnbull Hutton”
I can only hope that Raith are successful in getting the SFA to pay the security bill. I’m not holding my breath waiting on someone from the SFA replying to me. They’ve managed to ignore every other e-mail I’ve ever sent them.
What happened to the third charge? Surely this was the most serious and had the worst repercussions? What happened to it, surely he couldn’t possibly have been found not guilty?
As loath as I am to follow the Dog Whistler and criticise the independent panel, his punishment does seem unquestionably light.
Turnbull never fails to hit the mark.
Mock indignation(ally’s favourite pose) is the refuge of the intellectually and emotionally challenged.
Dear sir
The police foiled a plot to set fire to Raith Rovers stadium and a director had to have police advice over his and his families safety. The cause of this intimidation was ally mccoist, manager of Trfc who knew fine well that his call for the, already known to his club, panel members to be named, that the large rioting and bigotted section of rangers supporters would revert to type and use violence and intimidation to enforce their will on innocent people who tried to ensure appropriate punishments on the club on behalf of your organisation.
Your abject failure in dealing with mccoist has again undermined confidence in you from all other member clubs and supporters. Why is there no mention of the third and most serious charge, it is absolutely disgraceful you have not issued a statement that covers every aspect of the charges faced.
His chairman called us all bigots and you feel a censure is appropriate, again i ask you to see the ridiculous leniency in your findings and i can assure you the bigotry seems to emanate from the confines of ibrox and hampden itself.
Once more i will post this on TSFM and forward it to football and media contacts until the whole country is sickened enough to force our clubs to remove you all from office and allow us the chance to rebuild our game without your outdated agendas holding us all back.
paulmac says:
August 31, 2012 at 12:24
1. “Frankly, I give up with the authorities” is a partial quote in the latest email of what they say about the SFA. They have no intention of quitting their post within the club either. If I include any more quotes, then the club and individual could possibly be identified.
A previous remark in an earlier email stated “I am as disheartened as you regarding the current ‘management’ of Scottish Football. I remain of the opinion that we are making this up as we go along, and that something of a clear-out is needed at the top to enable the game to progress. Whether these changes can be effected, I have no idea. Given my recent comments however, you can rest assured that I will not be seduced by either threats or a charm offensive!”
2. The source can be trusted.
This is why I think we, the fans should be putting pressure on the club chairmen to take action against the SFA/SPL/SFL blazers and have them removed from office so the game in Scotland can progress as it should in the 21st century.
On Clyde’s premier soccer sports phone in, SSB, last night a Sevconian called in and asked Jim Delaware to instruct the Sports Editor to stop letting callers on to the show who refer to TRFC as “Sevco” or “Newco”.
To his credit Jamesy said there was such a thing as free speech and callers were allowed to say what they liked. The Sevconian then said something like ” Aye, ok then, I’m no really that bothered aboot it anyway”.
So keep those calls rollin’ in to SSB and lace them liberally with Sevco/Newco references as it appears no one is that bothered.
A Expert says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:17
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Alex Cox says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:02
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
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Because history shows the size and depth of the squad wins leagues. When the injuries and suspensions kick in there is ………………………..
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Why would Rangers have to cater for suspensions, is this a new idea??
Great comments above Iceman, and I’m afraid to say that those are many of the reasons why I did emigrate and am now a Canadian citizen. I just couldnt stand the corruption anymore. Its also why i spend my time and money following ice hockey now rather than football. Only if the sfa, spl and sevco are removed will i be back spending money on scottish football.
A Expert says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:17
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And they don’t think they have enough quality or quantity to win the bottom tier of Scottish senior football.
In all honesty I think they should be looking fo a manager rather than players. They really should have enough in the squad to win that league quite comfortably.
SFL red-tape could scupper Rangers’ transfer hopes on deadline day
AN SFL rule prevents clubs from signing more than 22 players over 21 years of age in a bid to help develop youth talent.
Oh dear oh dear. A RULE stops The rangers doing something. Well let’s do away with the rule please or someone gonnae no look if it’s broken.
Perhaps this rule is in place to encourage the lower leagues to look to bring through young talent rather than filling their squad with older experienced pros just to get through the leagues. Strikes me much like when we played footy in the park and a big boy wanted a game. Our rules said no big boys. We’re all only 5 and about 4 foot tall so no 12 year olds in our game. Thems the rules.
Red tape ? Well cut that darn tape then. The rangers are coming through.
Strikes me that Greeny knows damn well about these rules and the ones that keep the players in dispute as registered to The Rangers as part of their quota and that along with “well we put a big bid into Hearts but they turned it down” is being used to poinjt the finger at someone else for any failings in the transfer market.
As an aside it would be interesting to see how all those other THIRD DIVISION teams are doing in all their transfer dealings. How many millions have they spent and how many players have they managed to get in
Jacko.
Was going to comment on this earlier but it has been reported again this afternoon
Sally says
“Ideally, I would like to get another keeper in and let young Scott Gallacher go and play somewhere. I know Cammy (Bell) has had an operation on an arm, but that wouldn’t put me off. He is somebody else’s player and you have to respect that.”
What weird and wonderful world do we live in when a Div 3 manager wants to give his young back up goalkeeper playing experience by punting him out to someone else, possibly to a higher division and have, as his replacement, a competent SPL goalie with a Scotland cap who will no doubt want £5k a week as per Ian Black etc.
Will someone please
Send in the men with white coats and end this madness
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Start asking some serious questions
The Iceman on August 31, 2012 at 13:13
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What is the point of this really?
Football in Scotland is dead.
Iceman I’m afraid I have come to the same conclusion. Unless we have some kind of rebirthing of the game in scotland from the grass roots up I think we might as well give up.
Create the debt, bin the debt, sign the players, sell the players, spin, repeat cycle…….
From Liverpool at Anfield to playing Elgin City, no offence to Elgin but Jesus wept. Why? would any international prospect even consider going there?
Maybe Rangers have started up a new EBT type tax dodging scheme to pay the players an extra lump sum? and surely to goodness nobody would ever suspect them of being stupid enough to do all that again so if they did they could probably get away with it right under the noses of everybody all over again………………………….
What’s to lose? if you get caught it was the big bad owner that did it and the football club shouldn’t suffer ………and well nobody wants the risk of social unrest do they?
Bawsman says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:59
Can the minutes of the hearing be requested using FOI act?
From what I have seen from reports, McCoist was found guilty on the first 2 charges, the 3rd (and most important one) is simply ignored. ????????????
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Perhaps another thing this site could do is record punishments handed out by the SFA – I know we can remember odd ones here and there just now but for really accurate/relevant comparison we need some detail. Not to mention that there will no doubt be situations regarding T’Rangers which will come up in future which will require such comparisons.
Thoughts? Worth doing??
Gie’s a gonk says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:17
I e-mailed Raith Rovers (copying in the SFA) asking if they had been given any information from the SFA about yesterdays decisions re the McCoist interview. Here’s the wonderful Turnbull Hutton’s tounge in cheek response
“We at Raith Rovers know as much about the situation as you do. It would certainly be interesting for us to know who are these people…..we could even DEMAND to know who these people are. We could feign mock indignation, a quivering lip……….you get the drift?
We will now forward our bill for additional security charges to the SFA. I’m sure they will be delighted to support a member club who have suffered hardship.
Thanks for your interest. Never a dull moment!
Kind regards
Turnbull Hutton”
I can only hope that Raith are successful in getting the SFA to pay the security bill. I’m not holding my breath waiting on someone from the SFA replying to me. They’ve managed to ignore every other e-mail I’ve ever sent them.
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Good action by you, Gie’s, and very decent of Mr Hutton to give such an open, and humorous, reply.
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TSFM,
Wouldn’t it be a great idea to ask Turnbull Hutton if he’d grace our site with a guest blog? It may well be beyond the resources of the MSM to send someone off to Kirkcaldy to interview Mr Hutton regarding the SFA’s mishandling of another piece of this farce, but if we give him (or rather, he gives us) the opportunity to print his thoughts on this, or any other aspect of Sevco he chooses, then someone in the MSM might pick it up, even if they print it as their own work would be a coupe for us 😉
Oops, coupe should read coup, although I’m sure we’d all be delighted if Mr Hutton presented us all with a nice wee coupe 😉
Allyjambo Taxpayer on August 31, 2012 at 14:22
The very same thought had crossed my mind allyjambo. Given his candour in replying personally to emails, and presence at the heart of this story, maybe there’s a chance he would be interested in doing a guest blog for TSFM?
As Jacko posts above the Daily Record reports
“ALLY McCOIST’S moves to rebuild Rangers have been thrown into chaos by rules forbidding SFL clubs from signing too many senior players.
Rangers have been caught in a red tape wrangle that could ruin their chances of significantly strengthening their squad before the transfer window closes tonight.
An SFL rule, in place for at least a decade, prevents its member clubs from registering more than 22 players aged over 21 in a bid to encourage youth development throughout the lower leagues.
To add to Ibrox woes, up to five senior players, including Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor and Kyle Lafferty, are still officially registered to the club even though they’ve moved.
Rangers have kept them on their books as they try to gain support from FIFA to win transfer fees for them. That could restrict McCoist’s plans to add up to six senior players to his pool before the club is banned from transfer dealings for a year.”
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The magic number of players wanted comes from the squad I posted earlier this week.
Nos 1-15 al all in the over 21 category plus Goian who is out on loan.
They don’t have to worry about Nos 16-24 beng hit with the rule until 1 Jan 2014 as they will all be under 21 at 1st Jan 2013.
22 minus the 15 plus Goian equals the reported six players Sally is looking for.
First question for the Daily Record reporter to the SFA/SFL is do these psuedo registrations actually count towards the over 21 quota when to all intent and purposes these players are long gone.
If Naismith et al are being counted then for Green he has 9.5 hours to solve the dilema. Does he continue to fight for cash for players that he believes are still registered to his club or does he let that one go and sign the players his manager says he wants/needs.
Of course one could begin to wonder if, being this seems to have been discussed at least since the start of the week, the situation (if correct) was well known and it can be used as a convenient smokescreen to cover up that there is no money for investment for 6 ‘Quality’ players and the whole thing can be blamed on those nice men SFA.
Thats the trouble with all these deals, rule breaking, lying and cheating – you forget which porkies you have told and what deals have been agreed and eventually get caught out by one coming back to bite you in the bum.
1 Neil Alexander 34
2 Lee McCulloch 34
3 Carlos Bocenegra 33
4 Emilson Cribari 32
5 Kevin Kyle 31
6 Ian Black 27
7 Dean Shiels 27
8 Francisco Sandaza 27
9 Anestis Argyriou 24
10 Andrew Little 23
11 Scott Gallagher 23
12 Ross Perry 22
13 Sebastien Faure 21
14 Kyle Hutton 21
15 Kane Hemmings 21
16 Darren Cole 20
17 Andrew Mitchell 20
18 Kal Naismith 20
19 Chris Hegarty 20
20 Lewis MacLeod 20
21 Kamil Wiktorski 20
22 Robbie Crawford 19
23 Matty Clarke 18
24 Barry McKay 17
Goian out of loan 31
On the closing day of the transfer window, any top clubs with surplus fringe players should loan them to Div 3 sides Elgin, Peterhead etc., to make it more difficult for TRFC to get their expected promotion.
Gie’s a gonk: Let us hope that Raith are able to get the money for security from the SFA that Mcoist has cost them. If not maybe TSFM could set up a fund on this site that we could contribute to?
Possibly OT, but a sad reflection of MSM. From today’s Mail:
For all Hearts’ huff and puff, there was never a moment when it appeared they would become the first Scottish team to win a two-legged Battle of Britain since Rangers knocked Leeds out of the old European Cup in 1992.
The journo must have watched a different game from me! But I remember another Glasgow team beating 2 English clubs home and away in 2003. One was Liddypool ironically enough. The other? Graeme “EBT” Souness’s Blackburn.
Barney says:
August 31, 2012 at 08:51
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Been listening to that tic talk … very interesting when reporter said he’d contacted Sky and tried to find details of SPL Sky deal but couldn’t get a straight answer from anyone. Why do the people involved not want anyone to know?
Mcoist is absolutely TERRIFIED that he cannot steer RFC Tribute Act to winning the 3rd Division. Despite all of the advantages, the international players and the vast funds, he is struggling big time.
I’m in shock!
I’ve had some jaw dropping moments reading here and previously RTC, but this has to top them all! I didn’t even know that the Disciplinary Panel had sat in judgement on McCoist yesterday. I didn’t know that the police had foiled a plan to set fire to Raith Rover’s ground. What is worse, the non punishment of McCoist or the total failure to report it? Seriously, nowhere in the mainstream media?
When it requires a widespread threat of non attendance by fans of all clubs to force some element of justice, fleetingly into the whole process, to be apparently followed by a return to “business as normal” it is truly breathtaking.
“When the head is rotten, it affects the whole body.”
Well the head is the SFA and by goodness me it is rotten. You need more than a Monitor. You need a campaign to clean up the SFA. Until the head is sorted, we will continue to gasp in awe at the putrid festering corpse.
Re the above,if only Scottish football was populated by a host of Turnbull Hutton’s, a football team even.He most definitely gets it!
TH you are a star sir!
Is European football a curse or a blessing for Scottish clubs?
For any teams other than Celtic (I’ll get to them later) what are the perceived benefits of participation in European football?
1. Increased turnover.
2. Higher club profile
3. A chance to showcase our talent to a wider audience
Let’s look at these arguments for participation in European football. The extra game(s) obviously attract paying customers and, perhaps, a bit of tv revenue but at what cost. Depending on the luck of the draw you could be paired against a team that is both unattractive and distant. How many Scottish teams who have fallen at the first hurdle have actually turned a profit from these fixtures. I would guess that more teams have made a loss than profited. So, from a purely business point of view, why get involved. The financial risk is weighed heavily against you.
The profile of the club certainly gets a (albeit temporary) lift. A feel-good factor is generated and, if we are to believe the hype, a higher (and that invariably means foreign) standard of player can be attracted to the club than would otherwise be the case. But once again, at what cost? Are these imports better than our home grown talent or are they simply more expensive. Does it make sense to pay inflated salaries to someone for 2/3 years for what may turn out to be two games?
Showcase our talent? Does getting beaten by some obscure Scandanavian or eastern European team really show our players (foreign or otherwise) in a good light?
So if you where to make a submission on the merits of participation to the jackals on Dragon’s Den or (for the older readers) ask John Harvey-Jones for his views what would they be? Almost certainly, don’t get involved.
So let’s get to Celtic. For them the thought of no European football is, on the face of it, unthinkable. The potential riches of the group stages of the Champions League would appear to be the be all and end all of their ambition. How many times in the past was the desire to win the SPL accompanied by the phrase “and the chance to gain entry into the money spinning CL” But how bad would life be for Celtic as a club and their fans if there was no European football in the calendar. After all, on many occasions there has been very little participation in these tournaments after September and it doesn’t seem to have harmed them. If the chances of serious progression in these tournaments is beyond them why spend vast fortunes in both transfer fees and wages on players. Clubs with far smaller levels of turnover than Celtic have repeatedly punched above their weight in Europe so Celtic would appear to be getting a very poor return on their outlay. Would a Celtic that was released from the shackles of the European dream actually be more profitable. If a more sensible and prudent wage structure at Celtic Park made the SPL more competitive would it ultimately be of benefit to both Celtic and the Scottish game as a whole?
So, in order to move our domestic game forward would Scottish football be better turning its back on European participation?
piston broke says:
August 31, 2012 at 14:47
Not off topic at all as I seem to recall TSFM asked for examples of poor or succulent lamb.
Perhaps a wee place on the blog could be creted for the finest examples.
Despite Paul McConville raising the SFL’s 21 rule ages ago, the differing parts of the MSM can’t get their story straight if Rangers can sign around six over 21 players or if their quota is bust because of the old registrations.
If the latter then why even discuss going for David Cooper (he doesnae like that by the way) Templeton – aged 23 and a half, unless there is yet another rule breaking deal been agreed.
Which is in itself a story worth investigating and reporting on.
sorry
Not off topic at all as I seem to recall TSFM asked for examples of poor or succulent lamb reporting
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Rather than simply TD’ing the suggestion (and that’s all it is) why not give me your views/reasons. It is after all a discussion blog not a popularity contest.
It would appear that the only way that Scottish Football can eradicate itself from the SPL/SFA
love in with Rangers Tribute Club is for all SPL Clubs and 31out of 32 SL Clubs to resign with immediate efffect from the SPL/SL and form a new football league organisation to run football within Scotland without the corruption that continues to allow RTC to stick two fingers up to everyone. A new Scottish Football Integrity Association requires to be formed which would apply the rules of the Association equally to all members. The 41 Clubs would then decide upon League Reconstruction and invite any further suitable football clubs to join the new organisation
if necessary.
Is it possible the third charge has seemingly been ignored because higher powers are looking into it? Or is that just wishfull thinking?
If McCoist does not manage to get his 5 or 6 ‘bodies’ will he learn from his mentor:
“Injuries and suspensions are what worry me right now and more than ever before,” said 62-year-old Smith.
“In fact, they are what worry me most as I look towards the new season.”
At the time, many believed that to be the bat signal for our referees.
I remember making a point on the RTC site sometime ago, along the lines of why are the SFA so afraid, terrified may have been the word I used, of Rangers and why wouldn’t they just apply the rules from their own rule book,
Of course there’s no obvious answer but the conclusion I’ve come to is that this isn’t about corruption, per se, it’s about fear; pure and simple fear, the fear of Rangers, it’s ‘fans’ and it’s influencers and dog-whistlers, the ‘angry mob’ if you like.
Lets not forget we live in country where the manager of Rangers biggest rival was sent bullets and a parcel bomb in the post, simply for being Neil Lennon. Not for anything he’d actually done to RFC.
I recall countless comments of RTC about no single body wanting to pull the trigger on RFC(IA). Instead we have had rules bent, ignored, avoided or just made up.
Why? Fear, fear of reprisals, ‘civil unrest’, parcel bombs, arson, you name it.
Look what happened in Manchester at a traditional loyalist day-out, as it’s called. Mayhem when a big TV packed up, carnage when the wheels came off their UEFA Cup dream.
No wonder rules aren’t applied, nothing to do with ‘corruption’ more like self-preservation.
tomtom
Would that be an infinite disengagement from European football? If not, then when would it be time to re-engage?
Would your suggestion extend to the national team doing likewise?
Would your suggestion extend to SFL teams turning their collective backs on promotion?
SpecialsWon @ 15:30
It could also be that certain individuals who slither about the corridors of corruption inside Hampden, know that if they do not assist with operation Sevco, that information which could compromise them, might just find its way into the public domain
Pure speculation on my part of course
I asked last night if anyone knew what the following charge brought against Green related to anyone hear anymore?
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
It would appear that the only way that Scottish Football can eradicate itself from the SPL/SFA
love in with Rangers Tribute Club is for all SPL Clubs and 31out of 32 SL Clubs to resign with immediate efffect from the SPL/SL and form a new football league organisation to run football within Scotland without the corruption that continues to allow RTC to stick two fingers up to everyone. A new Scottish Football Integrity Association requires to be formed which would apply the rules of the Association equally to all members. The 41 Clubs would then decide upon League Reconstruction and invite any further suitable football clubs to join the new organisation
if necessary.
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I think it would be a great idea to resign from the present set-up, but I would tell the relevant authorities that the clubs will see this season out first.There is too much at stake for All the clubs to go off half-cocked,let the clubs finish the season,they all need the money.Give the SFA/SPL/SFL fair warning that without a total revamp the clubs will notify UEFA/FIFA they are going to set up a new structure. They Will Have To go along with it if all the clubs agree.
There can be no more of this blatant corruption for the sake of one club,so the best thing to do would be to hang them out to dry.Let the SFA/SPL/SFL have Sevco.There will be obvious arguments,and clubs that do not want Sevco to be left out,but the choices are very simple and stark,join a new league structure or perish.Sevco were and are willing to bring Scottish football to it’s knees for its own benefit,why should we show pity and mercy,they feckin’ dont.
tomtom says: August 31, 2012 at 15:01
I gave you TD and why is: That’s the footballing equivalent of Sawney Beane. Sit in a cave eating our own clubs whilst the rest of the world goes richer on the sustenance of international TV. Seriously. That’s nuts. I’ll happily throw some Fs in there if it helps underline the strength of feeling…
If you want any more of my thoughts on the matter, I’d be happy to give them, how they are recieved is not my issue… :o)
WOTTPI says: August 31, 2012 at 13:54
That’s brulliant mate – seriously, loaning the young GK to a higher league. Pure dead brulliant…
‘an ‘at….
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Tangerine Taysider
It would be interesting to hear from someone still purchasing msm papers to let us know what the hacks wrote about for todays papers and measure this against future coffee mornings at the Hampden Institute of Corruption ,when a 4th division manager and his eh,eh,eh what’s his name ,Charlie Endell Esq or something like that can walk away with the results yesterday and no great mention of this, typifies what the msm in Scotland is all about ,a gutter would be far too good a place for these cretins to live ,in fact I dont even think the devil would want them they are so untrustworthy and we the public have it within our scope to do this ,it might take time but there is more than one way to skin a cat [sorry cats] I am sure concerted efforts will come to the fore to bring the house of corruption to its knees and flush out the occupants of this.
Time to catch the beer bus into town.
iki says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:30
tomtom
Would that be an infinite disengagement from European football? If not, then when would it be time to re-engage?
Would your suggestion extend to the national team doing likewise?
Would your suggestion extend to SFL teams turning their collective backs on promotion?
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Thanks for your response.
We wouldn’t be disengaging from European competition – we would just not be too bothered about trying to progress any further than the preliminary rounds (pay lip service I guess). If we did manage to restore some credibility to our game we could then take it more seriously.
As far as the national team is concerned Craig Levein seems to be doing this already.
Promotion and relegation between the divisions would not be a factor in this. European football doesn’t affect teams in that respect (ok apart from the odd occasions when a lower division team gets into the competition on the back of a freak couple of results and even them they invariably lose money)
What I’m suggesting is that in order to get back to the level playing field (or as near to it as we can) that everyone seems to want we need to get back to basics. As a businessman if something doesn’t make commercial sense then maybe you shouldn’t do it as in the long run it could well kill your business.
Maybe we have to take a few steps backwards to go forward. I don’t know but I just wondered how everyone else would view this.
I could also be a sad git trying to get the most TD’s on the one day 😀
smallteaser says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:46
I asked last night if anyone knew what the following charge brought against Green related to anyone hear anymore?
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
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That wasn’t one of the charges. The charges were under Rule 2, referring to Rule 1, paragraphs (b) and (f).
The whole of Rule 1 is included in that narrative, that’s all.
I know I shouldn’t but see that Rangers Media putting forward Michael Owen as being a signing target and that Alan Hutton has signed!!!
That being said they are reporting rumours of Bocenerga heading out the door to Racing Santander.
If true that at least frees up another over 21 spot!!
Angus says:
August 31, 2012 at 16:03
That wasn’t one of the charges. The charges were under Rule 2, referring to Rule 1, paragraphs (b) and (f).
The whole of Rule 1 is included in that narrative, that’s all.
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Thanks Angus understand, the charge was the same as that brought against Hearts for failure to pay wages on time in January.
I gave you TD and why is: That’s the footballing equivalent of Sawney Beane. Sit in a cave eating our own clubs whilst the rest of the world goes richer on the sustenance of international TV. Seriously. That’s nuts. I’ll happily throw some Fs in there if it helps underline the strength of feeling…
If you want any more of my thoughts on the matter, I’d be happy to give them, how they are recieved is not my issue… 😮 )
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Once again thanks for the reply.
How many of our clubs have actually prospered as a result of participation in Europe. One club has went out of business (although from the press you’d never have noticed) in search of this holy grail.
Sawney Beane is an interesting comparison. The now dead club lived off the body parts of the rest of Scottish football for a number of years.
Sometimes the most sensible decisions are the hardest ones to make.
This corpse should’ve been buried months ago. Is this the price we pay to allow special branch maintain their the viewing perch?
campsiejoe says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:36
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SpecialsWon @ 15:30
It could also be that certain individuals who slither about the corridors of corruption inside Hampden…….
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Nice phrase.
Think it might be good to borrow from Dr Who for a collective noun for them from now on; particularly odious adversaries if I remember rightly, the Slitherine.
5StarsorBehindBars @ 16:27
Don’t remember them in Dr Who, but there was the house in Harry Potter called Slytherin, which was the devious cheating one
Quite appropriate name for Hampden though
These days I think of Hampden as looking like the Queen’s nest in Aliens II
Dr Who = Slitheen
A bunch of baddies all the same.
tomtom
As far as the national team is concerned Craig Levein seems to be doing this already.
Promotion and relegation between the divisions would not be a factor in this. European football doesn’t affect teams in that respect (ok apart from the odd occasions when a lower division team gets into the competition on the back of a freak couple of results and even them they invariably lose money)
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My badly expressed intention was to ask you if our national team and SFL teams should abandon ambition to play at a higher level in the same way that you suggest SPL should do.
No reply needed.
Quite rightly, most here are aghast at the leniency of the McCoist ‘punishment’.
The SFA is certainly consistent – in misjudging the public mood.
But for perspective, does anyone know if this reaction is widespread amongst other forums of Scottish football clubs ? [Excluding RM of course.]
WOTTPI @ 16:40
That’s them, and if I may be so bold, quite an appropriate alternative name for Sevco, given their ability take on someone’s external appearance
CFC has a worldwide following especially in the States.
It maybe worthwhile for CFC bampots to contact the various supporters clubs there in the hope that some influence can be brought to their MSM of the perversion inherent in the SFA.
There’s certainly a story here that’s begging for exposure. It’s unlikely to be done here other than TSFM.
Three Amigos
It was cancelled as inappropriate to current events.
Supporters views being canvassed on what is really needed.
Check Glasnost site on Reform of Scottish Football page for more.
Hearts have proven once again that they can compeat at a higher level and long may this continue as with Dundee Utd and Motherwell ,if Aberdeen can also up their game then who knows where Scottish football may be in 3/4 years time,it would be also interesting to follow the fortunes of the corruptors and what prison they will be lingering in at the same time,the longer this evil pantomine plays out the more I am conviced that the people in the know are keeping their powder dry and its not the whites of the eyes they are keeping it for ,once the good guys are convinced that they have all evidence out and culprits identified the process of cleansing Scottish Football will then commence ,lets keep the ball on the deck and we wont require any time added on at the end of this game .
I have stated many times over the last 6-7 months….The SFA have and will continue to support and promote corruption and dishonesty….we could add criminality to their portfolio…
As soon as they realised that the internet bampots had created a succesful opposition so powerful in what was being planned regarding SEVCO into the SPL…the powers that be had no choice to simply accept they had no alternative but to be openly corrupt in their decisions…knowing there was very little anyone could do…
They knew the chairmen of the SPL clubs would never challenge their decisions…
They knew the chairmen of the SFL clubs would never challenge their decisions…
They knew the compliant SEVCO/Rangers season ticket holding media bods where on board…
They knew UEFA/FIFA would not get involved…
ho does that leave us with?….The internet bampots…thats who..
So who can or could challenge the blatently corrupt and dishonest actions of the SFA…an organistaion that still has a man working there who accepted tax evasion payments from Rangers under Minty…the SFA whose media representative was (could still be) an ex Ibrox season ticket holder (allegedly)
From top to bottom the SFA are rotten to the core..
How does this pan out? who knows…we can only do so much…but when the SFA can openly make decsions that are corrupt and dishonest…how can justice be achieved? The reason we go to great lengths to expose the corruption we see..is in the hope that the powers that be deal with it….but when it is the powers that be that are committing it…we’re dead in the water…
This needs a CH4 Thompson/BBC Daly intervention of the hour long version…for this cannot and must not continue….
I also believe those at the helm at Celtic should be more vocal…otherwise they are compliant with what is taking place…now we have made the CL groups stage and the season is under way I am certain they are hoping that the football distraction will create the apathy needed to allow the grand scheme to complete..
It is going to be a long hard fight….who is up for it?
Allyjambo Taxpayer says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:46
Of course it is probably the case that without the supposed investors and the IPO T’ Rangers can’t afford to sign Templeton and McGowan and then pay them the required wages after that.
Even some of the growling Bears are getting it on Rangers Rumours
“31 Aug 2012 07:17:42
Bids for Templeton and McGowan are nothing more than smoke screens guys, no danger they will be Rangers players by the end of today. Same scenario as last year with Goodwillie only a different board doing it to us!
I’ve been really impressed with Green so far however this transfer proper gander won’t get him anywhere!”
And that then begs the types of questions continually asked in the Dragon’s Den –
If you are showing no signs of strengthening the squad (investing in & developing the business) and will not be able to do anything else until Jan 2014, what is it you would be spending my investment money on? (How do I tell Mrs Bannatyne I’m not using our Kids inheritance money just to pay your wages.)
You appear to have maximised one of your main income streams (season tickets), where else do you see income being generated and how much will that bring in?
Even if I did invest when will I see a return?
Give me your figures for years 1, 2 & 3.
You value the company at £50m – frankly that’s ridiculous etc etc.
dunloytim says:
August 31, 2012 at 00:02
Today the SFA have confirmed again[in case we missed it first time round] that no matter what Fat boy does or says they will not punish him in any shape or form.If memory serves me right they gave Pat Fenlon a 2 match touchline ban for getting into a bit of verbals with hearts supporters on cup final day.
This site should as a matter of urgency make it known to the so called guardian’s of our game that thier behaviour toward’s dead club will no longer be accepted.
Every player/manager should tell the guardian’s of our game to gtf if they ever bring them up on charges after letting Fat boy of again today.
What have this f***ing club and it’s management got to do before the guardian’s of our game stand up to them.
All this crap about we have been punished enough please do us all a favor and just stfu,everything that has happened has been self inflicted and you know it.
And i see they now want to buy more player’s from hearts even though they still have not paid for the last one they bought.Pass the brasso please
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Very good comparison, dunloy, between the treatment of McCoist and Fenlon. Even as a Jambo I felt his ‘sending off’ a bit unfortunate, the guy must have been at his lowest and finding the taunting just too much to take, but for the panel not to allow for ‘mitigating circumstances’ was more than a little harsh, and his actions merely added to the Hearts supporters’ enjoyment and very unlikely to incite anybody. On the other hand we have McCoist… no need to add further comment. If Fenlon’s ban was in any way justified, a full season touchline ban would not have been out of the question for the rabble rouser.
I am no admirer of Neil Lennon, and I’m sure many of his outburst are contrived and aimed at influencing officials/referees (not opening a debate here, it’s just how I see him), but he is undoubtedly a gentleman when compared to SFL3’s highest paid manager. What’s more, the complicity of the SFA in this whole Rangers’ farce has convinced me that much of what he (Lennon) has claimed must have a solid foundation.
iamacant says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:47
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Two things jump out from this.
1. That an individual within the organistaion should openly respond in such a way is astonishing.
What do they intend to do?…what can they do? by the sounds of it..they are not long for remaining at that post either by their own choice or made for them…
2. Can the source be trusted to have made those conmments without bias or agenda?
There is always a danger that the individual will be labelled and therefore his opinion diluted as nothing more than a pro (insert club name) or anti (insert club name)
The sfa hasn’t got the brains to be compared to the mafia. They are more like The Bash Street Gang or The Ladykillers. Their level of transparent ineptitude and incompetence would be laughable if they weren’t doing such damage. Their bending over backwards to accommodate a proven corrupt gang is despicable. What sweet nothings must have been whispered in their ears?
Were headless horses left on their waking beds ? No. More like headless chickens squawking wildly in their offices and them giving the noise the respect of holy writ.
They are craven cowards and totally bent. Beyond redemption,lacking any credibility and them being paid for all this is tantamount to theft.
The next Scotland game will be so sparsely attended that it will be an embarassment.
But, of course, they will not give a damn. They are only in existence to prop up one stinking club.
Brass necks? Shameless? Nah. Just non-executive directors of t’rangers and incompetent thugs.
A piece from the Herald (on line)this morning..
Scotland manager believes the national team can unify the country after its football “soul” was laid bare by the Rangers crisis this summer..!!
The “crisis” was not caused in the summer..the “crisis” was being continually exposed,detailed & evidently ignored a long long time before this.The cowardly slugs within the MSM/RFC/ DUFF & DUFFER (copywrite owned)SEVCO/TRFC/SFA & SPL,still & to this day are more than aware & complicit with their lies/Slug like propaganda attempting to cover it up.
“Our” football soul has been stolen from us,it is now seriously infected, pitch black & being allowed to slowly die in the hands of these COWARDLY VILE & REPULSIVE INDIVIDUALS !!
Do “We” want it back..can it be healed..or will it be better for the “footballing country” to just continue in handwringing humin & hawing..whilst watching it rot..?
rant over..!
I wonder if the disciplinary tribunal bothered to seek opinion from those on the previously outed panel members, and what they felt about McCoist’s statements and their effects? Or was it only a dream…did it really happen?… Anyhoo, as a poster above asked, will transcripts be available?
Ordinary Fan says:
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Regards my last post, I’m not saying Regan is legally bound as in a gagging order or the like, I’m just saying he would have definitely had it thoroughly checked by Lawyers.
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He is a lawyer
Alex Cox says:
August 31, 2012 at 12:45
He is a lawyer
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He is a Liar…fixed that for you Alex
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Just a very quick look at how McCoists punishment compares to others:
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/an-sfa-review-of-managers-and-punishments/
Lest we forget, this is what our hero, Mr White told us way back in April, as reported in the guardian, following being banned from the game and fined, and I quote…
Whyte said: “Tell me how it is going to affect me? I couldn’t care less. It makes no difference to my life whatsoever – and good luck collecting the money.
“It is very harsh on Rangers. I am surprised at how harsh the SFA have been on a club which is going through tough times at the moment. Stewart Regan [the chief executive] and Campbell Ogilvie [the president] should resign and get out of Scottish football. The SFA want to kick Rangers when they are down and I hope people remember that. They are playing to the media.”
Craig White knows it, we know it. The SFA / SPL will implode pretty soon I think, to the detriment of our game, in the short to medium term.
Sad times for Scottish Fitba
Oops
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/23/rangers-sfa-transfer-embargo?CMP=twt_gu
WOTTPI says:
August 31, 2012 at 12:18
You are, of course, correct that it is most probably a smokescreen, but Hearts showed a lack of foresight in selling Wallace on an installment basis, and with most SPL clubs apparently blinded by the smokescreen, who’s to say Hearts wouldn’t fall for it again and accept promised installments? More to the point, what do the SFA think of this? Are they not thoroughly embarrassed by it all? Time and time again they are seen to be hoodwinked by Green, or are complicit in his shemes, and yet whenever the opportunity comes to force him into line they let him off with a gentle rebuke and a smile.
It is strange, that with SKY still saying the Templeton and McGowan transfers are still on the table, that Hearts appear to be signing Ryan Stevenson, a player who is surely the type of player ideal for Sevco with experience in the SPL and lower divisions, and a lot cheaper than either of the aforementioned. It surely can’t please the SFA to see a player whose form this season must surely see him in the Scotland team soon, going to a club in SFL3, where, no matter how well he plays, he can’t be judged in terms of international standard.
More worrying for the longterm welfare of Scottish football is, if a player of Templeton’s qualities, shone brightly in two matches against Liverpool, can’t tempt a Championship side, at least, to come north with an offer that beats Sevco’s, how low do English League clubs view Scottish football and Scottish players? Are our homegrown players really that bad?
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
How can they possibly justify the expense (even if it is only wages) of bringing more players in, particularly those of an SPL and even international standard. Where would the money be coming from.
easyJambo says:
August 31, 2012 at 10:41
(I’d be prepared to give some credit to the SFA that they probably believed Sevco ……..
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And yet, you have always seemed such a sensible person, EJ.
Neal,
‘We have a huge job in front of us’.
As I have said before, unless the remainder of Scottish clubs explore the possibility of setting up their own CLEAN leagues, the game is doomed. last night’s punishment (sic) is an example-of what to expect for the foreseeable future. Can anybody argue that, if this type of administration continues, that the game is not doomed? It will be well nigh impossible now to administer any discipline associated with the game of football in Scotland. If, by your actions and statements, you cause real danger to members of an august independent tribunal, and their families, set up by the very people charged with the responsibility of administering the game and implementing the rules, you find you are banned (after several previous indiscretions ) for three games,(suspended) then I suggest that it is only a matter of time before the complete edifice will crumble.
In the meantime I urge supporters, for the good of the game long-term, to boycott upcoming International games. Further, I feel we should do our utmost to canvass fellow supporters to do likewise, it is one of the few weapons we hold.
What is the point of this really?
Football in Scotland is dead.
We have judges and politicians acquiescing in, and indeed actively encouraging, criminality, and ignoring theft and fraud to save an institution whoise chief claims to fame are the long term implementation of an exclusion policy, a vile songbook by its supporters, a callous attitude to the plight of other clubs, and a wanton disregard for living within its means which led to its bankruptcy amid welters of illegal practices up to and including theft and fraud.
. The SFA and “Rangers” are now one and the same – this entity was created as a response to the death of a football club by the SFA for its own ends – it cannot then hope to discipline it.
The SFA are Rangers – therefore if you support any game under the auspices of the SFA , you support Rangers.
If you support Celtic, you support Rangers; if you support Morton you support Rangers, even if you support the brave and bold Turnbull’s Raith rovers – you still end up supporting Rangers!
Even more worryingly though, given the actions of the First minister the bizarre and unaccountable delays of judges both on football panels and in the courts of the land which allow injustice upon injustice to be committed with impunity – it now seems that if you live in Scotland, and pay taxes in Scotland, then Scottish institutions have forced you into subsidising and supporting Rangers. This is a rotten, vile, nasty, corrupt, little country run by apologists and conspirators for the survival of dead club.
It is a bit like UTAH , Scotland , only instead of being dominated by a cult formed in the late 19th century, we are dominated by – oh wait, yeah – a cult formed in the late 19th century! Albeit one reborn and refashioned in the End Times (well if you’re Mayan)
Time to emigrate!!
Alex Cox says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:02
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
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Because history shows the size and depth of the squad wins leagues. When the injuries and suspensions kick in there is always extra manpower available and of course competition for places keeps the players focused. That is one of the main reasons why only two teams, one of them no happily deceased, ever win the SPL.
I e-mailed Raith Rovers (copying in the SFA) asking if they had been given any information from the SFA about yesterdays decisions re the McCoist interview. Here’s the wonderful Turnbull Hutton’s tounge in cheek response
“We at Raith Rovers know as much about the situation as you do. It would certainly be interesting for us to know who are these people…..we could even DEMAND to know who these people are. We could feign mock indignation, a quivering lip……….you get the drift?
We will now forward our bill for additional security charges to the SFA. I’m sure they will be delighted to support a member club who have suffered hardship.
Thanks for your interest. Never a dull moment!
Kind regards
Turnbull Hutton”
I can only hope that Raith are successful in getting the SFA to pay the security bill. I’m not holding my breath waiting on someone from the SFA replying to me. They’ve managed to ignore every other e-mail I’ve ever sent them.
What happened to the third charge? Surely this was the most serious and had the worst repercussions? What happened to it, surely he couldn’t possibly have been found not guilty?
As loath as I am to follow the Dog Whistler and criticise the independent panel, his punishment does seem unquestionably light.
Turnbull never fails to hit the mark.
Mock indignation(ally’s favourite pose) is the refuge of the intellectually and emotionally challenged.
Dear sir
The police foiled a plot to set fire to Raith Rovers stadium and a director had to have police advice over his and his families safety. The cause of this intimidation was ally mccoist, manager of Trfc who knew fine well that his call for the, already known to his club, panel members to be named, that the large rioting and bigotted section of rangers supporters would revert to type and use violence and intimidation to enforce their will on innocent people who tried to ensure appropriate punishments on the club on behalf of your organisation.
Your abject failure in dealing with mccoist has again undermined confidence in you from all other member clubs and supporters. Why is there no mention of the third and most serious charge, it is absolutely disgraceful you have not issued a statement that covers every aspect of the charges faced.
His chairman called us all bigots and you feel a censure is appropriate, again i ask you to see the ridiculous leniency in your findings and i can assure you the bigotry seems to emanate from the confines of ibrox and hampden itself.
Once more i will post this on TSFM and forward it to football and media contacts until the whole country is sickened enough to force our clubs to remove you all from office and allow us the chance to rebuild our game without your outdated agendas holding us all back.
paulmac says:
August 31, 2012 at 12:24
1. “Frankly, I give up with the authorities” is a partial quote in the latest email of what they say about the SFA. They have no intention of quitting their post within the club either. If I include any more quotes, then the club and individual could possibly be identified.
A previous remark in an earlier email stated “I am as disheartened as you regarding the current ‘management’ of Scottish Football. I remain of the opinion that we are making this up as we go along, and that something of a clear-out is needed at the top to enable the game to progress. Whether these changes can be effected, I have no idea. Given my recent comments however, you can rest assured that I will not be seduced by either threats or a charm offensive!”
2. The source can be trusted.
This is why I think we, the fans should be putting pressure on the club chairmen to take action against the SFA/SPL/SFL blazers and have them removed from office so the game in Scotland can progress as it should in the 21st century.
I thought this was both funny and appropriate……
http://lwordsblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/wyatt-earp-syndrome/
On Clyde’s premier soccer sports phone in, SSB, last night a Sevconian called in and asked Jim Delaware to instruct the Sports Editor to stop letting callers on to the show who refer to TRFC as “Sevco” or “Newco”.
To his credit Jamesy said there was such a thing as free speech and callers were allowed to say what they liked. The Sevconian then said something like ” Aye, ok then, I’m no really that bothered aboot it anyway”.
So keep those calls rollin’ in to SSB and lace them liberally with Sevco/Newco references as it appears no one is that bothered.
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August 31, 2012 at 13:02
Why do Rangers need to bring in another 5 or 6 players, they are in the 4th division of Scottish football and the teams they are up against are made up of part time footballers who train maybe once or twice a week and the majority of them hold down full time jobs.
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Why would Rangers have to cater for suspensions, is this a new idea??
Great comments above Iceman, and I’m afraid to say that those are many of the reasons why I did emigrate and am now a Canadian citizen. I just couldnt stand the corruption anymore. Its also why i spend my time and money following ice hockey now rather than football. Only if the sfa, spl and sevco are removed will i be back spending money on scottish football.
A Expert says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:17
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And they don’t think they have enough quality or quantity to win the bottom tier of Scottish senior football.
In all honesty I think they should be looking fo a manager rather than players. They really should have enough in the squad to win that league quite comfortably.
SFL red-tape could scupper Rangers’ transfer hopes on deadline day
AN SFL rule prevents clubs from signing more than 22 players over 21 years of age in a bid to help develop youth talent.
Oh dear oh dear. A RULE stops The rangers doing something. Well let’s do away with the rule please or someone gonnae no look if it’s broken.
Perhaps this rule is in place to encourage the lower leagues to look to bring through young talent rather than filling their squad with older experienced pros just to get through the leagues. Strikes me much like when we played footy in the park and a big boy wanted a game. Our rules said no big boys. We’re all only 5 and about 4 foot tall so no 12 year olds in our game. Thems the rules.
Red tape ? Well cut that darn tape then. The rangers are coming through.
Strikes me that Greeny knows damn well about these rules and the ones that keep the players in dispute as registered to The Rangers as part of their quota and that along with “well we put a big bid into Hearts but they turned it down” is being used to poinjt the finger at someone else for any failings in the transfer market.
As an aside it would be interesting to see how all those other THIRD DIVISION teams are doing in all their transfer dealings. How many millions have they spent and how many players have they managed to get in
Jacko.
Was going to comment on this earlier but it has been reported again this afternoon
Sally says
“Ideally, I would like to get another keeper in and let young Scott Gallacher go and play somewhere. I know Cammy (Bell) has had an operation on an arm, but that wouldn’t put me off. He is somebody else’s player and you have to respect that.”
What weird and wonderful world do we live in when a Div 3 manager wants to give his young back up goalkeeper playing experience by punting him out to someone else, possibly to a higher division and have, as his replacement, a competent SPL goalie with a Scotland cap who will no doubt want £5k a week as per Ian Black etc.
Will someone please
Send in the men with white coats and end this madness
or
Start asking some serious questions
The Iceman on August 31, 2012 at 13:13
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What is the point of this really?
Football in Scotland is dead.
Iceman I’m afraid I have come to the same conclusion. Unless we have some kind of rebirthing of the game in scotland from the grass roots up I think we might as well give up.
Create the debt, bin the debt, sign the players, sell the players, spin, repeat cycle…….
From Liverpool at Anfield to playing Elgin City, no offence to Elgin but Jesus wept. Why? would any international prospect even consider going there?
Maybe Rangers have started up a new EBT type tax dodging scheme to pay the players an extra lump sum? and surely to goodness nobody would ever suspect them of being stupid enough to do all that again so if they did they could probably get away with it right under the noses of everybody all over again………………………….
What’s to lose? if you get caught it was the big bad owner that did it and the football club shouldn’t suffer ………and well nobody wants the risk of social unrest do they?
Bawsman says:
August 31, 2012 at 11:59
Can the minutes of the hearing be requested using FOI act?
From what I have seen from reports, McCoist was found guilty on the first 2 charges, the 3rd (and most important one) is simply ignored. ????????????
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Perhaps another thing this site could do is record punishments handed out by the SFA – I know we can remember odd ones here and there just now but for really accurate/relevant comparison we need some detail. Not to mention that there will no doubt be situations regarding T’Rangers which will come up in future which will require such comparisons.
Thoughts? Worth doing??
Gie’s a gonk says:
August 31, 2012 at 13:17
I e-mailed Raith Rovers (copying in the SFA) asking if they had been given any information from the SFA about yesterdays decisions re the McCoist interview. Here’s the wonderful Turnbull Hutton’s tounge in cheek response
“We at Raith Rovers know as much about the situation as you do. It would certainly be interesting for us to know who are these people…..we could even DEMAND to know who these people are. We could feign mock indignation, a quivering lip……….you get the drift?
We will now forward our bill for additional security charges to the SFA. I’m sure they will be delighted to support a member club who have suffered hardship.
Thanks for your interest. Never a dull moment!
Kind regards
Turnbull Hutton”
I can only hope that Raith are successful in getting the SFA to pay the security bill. I’m not holding my breath waiting on someone from the SFA replying to me. They’ve managed to ignore every other e-mail I’ve ever sent them.
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Good action by you, Gie’s, and very decent of Mr Hutton to give such an open, and humorous, reply.
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TSFM,
Wouldn’t it be a great idea to ask Turnbull Hutton if he’d grace our site with a guest blog? It may well be beyond the resources of the MSM to send someone off to Kirkcaldy to interview Mr Hutton regarding the SFA’s mishandling of another piece of this farce, but if we give him (or rather, he gives us) the opportunity to print his thoughts on this, or any other aspect of Sevco he chooses, then someone in the MSM might pick it up, even if they print it as their own work would be a coupe for us 😉
Oops, coupe should read coup, although I’m sure we’d all be delighted if Mr Hutton presented us all with a nice wee coupe 😉
Allyjambo Taxpayer on August 31, 2012 at 14:22
The very same thought had crossed my mind allyjambo. Given his candour in replying personally to emails, and presence at the heart of this story, maybe there’s a chance he would be interested in doing a guest blog for TSFM?
As Jacko posts above the Daily Record reports
“ALLY McCOIST’S moves to rebuild Rangers have been thrown into chaos by rules forbidding SFL clubs from signing too many senior players.
Rangers have been caught in a red tape wrangle that could ruin their chances of significantly strengthening their squad before the transfer window closes tonight.
An SFL rule, in place for at least a decade, prevents its member clubs from registering more than 22 players aged over 21 in a bid to encourage youth development throughout the lower leagues.
To add to Ibrox woes, up to five senior players, including Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker, Allan McGregor and Kyle Lafferty, are still officially registered to the club even though they’ve moved.
Rangers have kept them on their books as they try to gain support from FIFA to win transfer fees for them. That could restrict McCoist’s plans to add up to six senior players to his pool before the club is banned from transfer dealings for a year.”
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The magic number of players wanted comes from the squad I posted earlier this week.
Nos 1-15 al all in the over 21 category plus Goian who is out on loan.
They don’t have to worry about Nos 16-24 beng hit with the rule until 1 Jan 2014 as they will all be under 21 at 1st Jan 2013.
22 minus the 15 plus Goian equals the reported six players Sally is looking for.
First question for the Daily Record reporter to the SFA/SFL is do these psuedo registrations actually count towards the over 21 quota when to all intent and purposes these players are long gone.
If Naismith et al are being counted then for Green he has 9.5 hours to solve the dilema. Does he continue to fight for cash for players that he believes are still registered to his club or does he let that one go and sign the players his manager says he wants/needs.
Of course one could begin to wonder if, being this seems to have been discussed at least since the start of the week, the situation (if correct) was well known and it can be used as a convenient smokescreen to cover up that there is no money for investment for 6 ‘Quality’ players and the whole thing can be blamed on those nice men SFA.
Thats the trouble with all these deals, rule breaking, lying and cheating – you forget which porkies you have told and what deals have been agreed and eventually get caught out by one coming back to bite you in the bum.
1 Neil Alexander 34
2 Lee McCulloch 34
3 Carlos Bocenegra 33
4 Emilson Cribari 32
5 Kevin Kyle 31
6 Ian Black 27
7 Dean Shiels 27
8 Francisco Sandaza 27
9 Anestis Argyriou 24
10 Andrew Little 23
11 Scott Gallagher 23
12 Ross Perry 22
13 Sebastien Faure 21
14 Kyle Hutton 21
15 Kane Hemmings 21
16 Darren Cole 20
17 Andrew Mitchell 20
18 Kal Naismith 20
19 Chris Hegarty 20
20 Lewis MacLeod 20
21 Kamil Wiktorski 20
22 Robbie Crawford 19
23 Matty Clarke 18
24 Barry McKay 17
Goian out of loan 31
On the closing day of the transfer window, any top clubs with surplus fringe players should loan them to Div 3 sides Elgin, Peterhead etc., to make it more difficult for TRFC to get their expected promotion.
Gie’s a gonk: Let us hope that Raith are able to get the money for security from the SFA that Mcoist has cost them. If not maybe TSFM could set up a fund on this site that we could contribute to?
Possibly OT, but a sad reflection of MSM. From today’s Mail:
For all Hearts’ huff and puff, there was never a moment when it appeared they would become the first Scottish team to win a two-legged Battle of Britain since Rangers knocked Leeds out of the old European Cup in 1992.
The journo must have watched a different game from me! But I remember another Glasgow team beating 2 English clubs home and away in 2003. One was Liddypool ironically enough. The other? Graeme “EBT” Souness’s Blackburn.
Barney says:
August 31, 2012 at 08:51
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Been listening to that tic talk … very interesting when reporter said he’d contacted Sky and tried to find details of SPL Sky deal but couldn’t get a straight answer from anyone. Why do the people involved not want anyone to know?
Mcoist is absolutely TERRIFIED that he cannot steer RFC Tribute Act to winning the 3rd Division. Despite all of the advantages, the international players and the vast funds, he is struggling big time.
I’m in shock!
I’ve had some jaw dropping moments reading here and previously RTC, but this has to top them all! I didn’t even know that the Disciplinary Panel had sat in judgement on McCoist yesterday. I didn’t know that the police had foiled a plan to set fire to Raith Rover’s ground. What is worse, the non punishment of McCoist or the total failure to report it? Seriously, nowhere in the mainstream media?
When it requires a widespread threat of non attendance by fans of all clubs to force some element of justice, fleetingly into the whole process, to be apparently followed by a return to “business as normal” it is truly breathtaking.
“When the head is rotten, it affects the whole body.”
Well the head is the SFA and by goodness me it is rotten. You need more than a Monitor. You need a campaign to clean up the SFA. Until the head is sorted, we will continue to gasp in awe at the putrid festering corpse.
Re the above,if only Scottish football was populated by a host of Turnbull Hutton’s, a football team even.He most definitely gets it!
TH you are a star sir!
Is European football a curse or a blessing for Scottish clubs?
For any teams other than Celtic (I’ll get to them later) what are the perceived benefits of participation in European football?
1. Increased turnover.
2. Higher club profile
3. A chance to showcase our talent to a wider audience
Let’s look at these arguments for participation in European football. The extra game(s) obviously attract paying customers and, perhaps, a bit of tv revenue but at what cost. Depending on the luck of the draw you could be paired against a team that is both unattractive and distant. How many Scottish teams who have fallen at the first hurdle have actually turned a profit from these fixtures. I would guess that more teams have made a loss than profited. So, from a purely business point of view, why get involved. The financial risk is weighed heavily against you.
The profile of the club certainly gets a (albeit temporary) lift. A feel-good factor is generated and, if we are to believe the hype, a higher (and that invariably means foreign) standard of player can be attracted to the club than would otherwise be the case. But once again, at what cost? Are these imports better than our home grown talent or are they simply more expensive. Does it make sense to pay inflated salaries to someone for 2/3 years for what may turn out to be two games?
Showcase our talent? Does getting beaten by some obscure Scandanavian or eastern European team really show our players (foreign or otherwise) in a good light?
So if you where to make a submission on the merits of participation to the jackals on Dragon’s Den or (for the older readers) ask John Harvey-Jones for his views what would they be? Almost certainly, don’t get involved.
So let’s get to Celtic. For them the thought of no European football is, on the face of it, unthinkable. The potential riches of the group stages of the Champions League would appear to be the be all and end all of their ambition. How many times in the past was the desire to win the SPL accompanied by the phrase “and the chance to gain entry into the money spinning CL” But how bad would life be for Celtic as a club and their fans if there was no European football in the calendar. After all, on many occasions there has been very little participation in these tournaments after September and it doesn’t seem to have harmed them. If the chances of serious progression in these tournaments is beyond them why spend vast fortunes in both transfer fees and wages on players. Clubs with far smaller levels of turnover than Celtic have repeatedly punched above their weight in Europe so Celtic would appear to be getting a very poor return on their outlay. Would a Celtic that was released from the shackles of the European dream actually be more profitable. If a more sensible and prudent wage structure at Celtic Park made the SPL more competitive would it ultimately be of benefit to both Celtic and the Scottish game as a whole?
So, in order to move our domestic game forward would Scottish football be better turning its back on European participation?
piston broke says:
August 31, 2012 at 14:47
Not off topic at all as I seem to recall TSFM asked for examples of poor or succulent lamb.
Perhaps a wee place on the blog could be creted for the finest examples.
Despite Paul McConville raising the SFL’s 21 rule ages ago, the differing parts of the MSM can’t get their story straight if Rangers can sign around six over 21 players or if their quota is bust because of the old registrations.
If the latter then why even discuss going for David Cooper (he doesnae like that by the way) Templeton – aged 23 and a half, unless there is yet another rule breaking deal been agreed.
Which is in itself a story worth investigating and reporting on.
sorry
Not off topic at all as I seem to recall TSFM asked for examples of poor or succulent lamb reporting
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Rather than simply TD’ing the suggestion (and that’s all it is) why not give me your views/reasons. It is after all a discussion blog not a popularity contest.
It would appear that the only way that Scottish Football can eradicate itself from the SPL/SFA
love in with Rangers Tribute Club is for all SPL Clubs and 31out of 32 SL Clubs to resign with immediate efffect from the SPL/SL and form a new football league organisation to run football within Scotland without the corruption that continues to allow RTC to stick two fingers up to everyone. A new Scottish Football Integrity Association requires to be formed which would apply the rules of the Association equally to all members. The 41 Clubs would then decide upon League Reconstruction and invite any further suitable football clubs to join the new organisation
if necessary.
Is it possible the third charge has seemingly been ignored because higher powers are looking into it? Or is that just wishfull thinking?
If McCoist does not manage to get his 5 or 6 ‘bodies’ will he learn from his mentor:
“Injuries and suspensions are what worry me right now and more than ever before,” said 62-year-old Smith.
“In fact, they are what worry me most as I look towards the new season.”
At the time, many believed that to be the bat signal for our referees.
I remember making a point on the RTC site sometime ago, along the lines of why are the SFA so afraid, terrified may have been the word I used, of Rangers and why wouldn’t they just apply the rules from their own rule book,
Of course there’s no obvious answer but the conclusion I’ve come to is that this isn’t about corruption, per se, it’s about fear; pure and simple fear, the fear of Rangers, it’s ‘fans’ and it’s influencers and dog-whistlers, the ‘angry mob’ if you like.
Lets not forget we live in country where the manager of Rangers biggest rival was sent bullets and a parcel bomb in the post, simply for being Neil Lennon. Not for anything he’d actually done to RFC.
I recall countless comments of RTC about no single body wanting to pull the trigger on RFC(IA). Instead we have had rules bent, ignored, avoided or just made up.
Why? Fear, fear of reprisals, ‘civil unrest’, parcel bombs, arson, you name it.
Look what happened in Manchester at a traditional loyalist day-out, as it’s called. Mayhem when a big TV packed up, carnage when the wheels came off their UEFA Cup dream.
No wonder rules aren’t applied, nothing to do with ‘corruption’ more like self-preservation.
tomtom
Would that be an infinite disengagement from European football? If not, then when would it be time to re-engage?
Would your suggestion extend to the national team doing likewise?
Would your suggestion extend to SFL teams turning their collective backs on promotion?
SpecialsWon @ 15:30
It could also be that certain individuals who slither about the corridors of corruption inside Hampden, know that if they do not assist with operation Sevco, that information which could compromise them, might just find its way into the public domain
Pure speculation on my part of course
I asked last night if anyone knew what the following charge brought against Green related to anyone hear anymore?
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1957&newsCategoryID=1&newsID=10485
M8 Dreamer says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:22
It would appear that the only way that Scottish Football can eradicate itself from the SPL/SFA
love in with Rangers Tribute Club is for all SPL Clubs and 31out of 32 SL Clubs to resign with immediate efffect from the SPL/SL and form a new football league organisation to run football within Scotland without the corruption that continues to allow RTC to stick two fingers up to everyone. A new Scottish Football Integrity Association requires to be formed which would apply the rules of the Association equally to all members. The 41 Clubs would then decide upon League Reconstruction and invite any further suitable football clubs to join the new organisation
if necessary.
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I think it would be a great idea to resign from the present set-up, but I would tell the relevant authorities that the clubs will see this season out first.There is too much at stake for All the clubs to go off half-cocked,let the clubs finish the season,they all need the money.Give the SFA/SPL/SFL fair warning that without a total revamp the clubs will notify UEFA/FIFA they are going to set up a new structure. They Will Have To go along with it if all the clubs agree.
There can be no more of this blatant corruption for the sake of one club,so the best thing to do would be to hang them out to dry.Let the SFA/SPL/SFL have Sevco.There will be obvious arguments,and clubs that do not want Sevco to be left out,but the choices are very simple and stark,join a new league structure or perish.Sevco were and are willing to bring Scottish football to it’s knees for its own benefit,why should we show pity and mercy,they feckin’ dont.
tomtom says: August 31, 2012 at 15:01
I gave you TD and why is: That’s the footballing equivalent of Sawney Beane. Sit in a cave eating our own clubs whilst the rest of the world goes richer on the sustenance of international TV. Seriously. That’s nuts. I’ll happily throw some Fs in there if it helps underline the strength of feeling…
If you want any more of my thoughts on the matter, I’d be happy to give them, how they are recieved is not my issue… :o)
WOTTPI says: August 31, 2012 at 13:54
That’s brulliant mate – seriously, loaning the young GK to a higher league. Pure dead brulliant…
‘an ‘at….
🙂
Tangerine Taysider
It would be interesting to hear from someone still purchasing msm papers to let us know what the hacks wrote about for todays papers and measure this against future coffee mornings at the Hampden Institute of Corruption ,when a 4th division manager and his eh,eh,eh what’s his name ,Charlie Endell Esq or something like that can walk away with the results yesterday and no great mention of this, typifies what the msm in Scotland is all about ,a gutter would be far too good a place for these cretins to live ,in fact I dont even think the devil would want them they are so untrustworthy and we the public have it within our scope to do this ,it might take time but there is more than one way to skin a cat [sorry cats] I am sure concerted efforts will come to the fore to bring the house of corruption to its knees and flush out the occupants of this.
Time to catch the beer bus into town.
iki says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:30
tomtom
Would that be an infinite disengagement from European football? If not, then when would it be time to re-engage?
Would your suggestion extend to the national team doing likewise?
Would your suggestion extend to SFL teams turning their collective backs on promotion?
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Thanks for your response.
We wouldn’t be disengaging from European competition – we would just not be too bothered about trying to progress any further than the preliminary rounds (pay lip service I guess). If we did manage to restore some credibility to our game we could then take it more seriously.
As far as the national team is concerned Craig Levein seems to be doing this already.
Promotion and relegation between the divisions would not be a factor in this. European football doesn’t affect teams in that respect (ok apart from the odd occasions when a lower division team gets into the competition on the back of a freak couple of results and even them they invariably lose money)
What I’m suggesting is that in order to get back to the level playing field (or as near to it as we can) that everyone seems to want we need to get back to basics. As a businessman if something doesn’t make commercial sense then maybe you shouldn’t do it as in the long run it could well kill your business.
Maybe we have to take a few steps backwards to go forward. I don’t know but I just wondered how everyone else would view this.
I could also be a sad git trying to get the most TD’s on the one day 😀
smallteaser says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:46
I asked last night if anyone knew what the following charge brought against Green related to anyone hear anymore?
(e) refrain from engaging in any activity, practice or conduct which would constitute an offence under sections 1, 2 or 6 of the Bribery Act 2010; and
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That wasn’t one of the charges. The charges were under Rule 2, referring to Rule 1, paragraphs (b) and (f).
The whole of Rule 1 is included in that narrative, that’s all.
I know I shouldn’t but see that Rangers Media putting forward Michael Owen as being a signing target and that Alan Hutton has signed!!!
http://www.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=915%3Adeadline-day-rumoured-in-and-outs-at-ibrox&catid=146%3Atranfers0&Itemid=525
That being said they are reporting rumours of Bocenerga heading out the door to Racing Santander.
If true that at least frees up another over 21 spot!!
Angus says:
August 31, 2012 at 16:03
That wasn’t one of the charges. The charges were under Rule 2, referring to Rule 1, paragraphs (b) and (f).
The whole of Rule 1 is included in that narrative, that’s all.
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Thanks Angus understand, the charge was the same as that brought against Hearts for failure to pay wages on time in January.
Wonder if this was held up as a precedent?
http://www.scotzine.com/2012/01/hearts-and-the-spl-the-utmost-good-faith-rule-and-flaws-in-spl-discipline/
jocky bhoy says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:51
tomtom says: August 31, 2012 at 15:01
I gave you TD and why is: That’s the footballing equivalent of Sawney Beane. Sit in a cave eating our own clubs whilst the rest of the world goes richer on the sustenance of international TV. Seriously. That’s nuts. I’ll happily throw some Fs in there if it helps underline the strength of feeling…
If you want any more of my thoughts on the matter, I’d be happy to give them, how they are recieved is not my issue… 😮 )
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Once again thanks for the reply.
How many of our clubs have actually prospered as a result of participation in Europe. One club has went out of business (although from the press you’d never have noticed) in search of this holy grail.
Sawney Beane is an interesting comparison. The now dead club lived off the body parts of the rest of Scottish football for a number of years.
Sometimes the most sensible decisions are the hardest ones to make.
This corpse should’ve been buried months ago. Is this the price we pay to allow special branch maintain their the viewing perch?
campsiejoe says:
August 31, 2012 at 15:36
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SpecialsWon @ 15:30
It could also be that certain individuals who slither about the corridors of corruption inside Hampden…….
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Nice phrase.
Think it might be good to borrow from Dr Who for a collective noun for them from now on; particularly odious adversaries if I remember rightly, the Slitherine.
5StarsorBehindBars @ 16:27
Don’t remember them in Dr Who, but there was the house in Harry Potter called Slytherin, which was the devious cheating one
Quite appropriate name for Hampden though
These days I think of Hampden as looking like the Queen’s nest in Aliens II
Dr Who = Slitheen
A bunch of baddies all the same.
tomtom
As far as the national team is concerned Craig Levein seems to be doing this already.
Promotion and relegation between the divisions would not be a factor in this. European football doesn’t affect teams in that respect (ok apart from the odd occasions when a lower division team gets into the competition on the back of a freak couple of results and even them they invariably lose money)
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My badly expressed intention was to ask you if our national team and SFL teams should abandon ambition to play at a higher level in the same way that you suggest SPL should do.
No reply needed.
Quite rightly, most here are aghast at the leniency of the McCoist ‘punishment’.
The SFA is certainly consistent – in misjudging the public mood.
But for perspective, does anyone know if this reaction is widespread amongst other forums of Scottish football clubs ? [Excluding RM of course.]
WOTTPI @ 16:40
That’s them, and if I may be so bold, quite an appropriate alternative name for Sevco, given their ability take on someone’s external appearance
CFC has a worldwide following especially in the States.
It maybe worthwhile for CFC bampots to contact the various supporters clubs there in the hope that some influence can be brought to their MSM of the perversion inherent in the SFA.
There’s certainly a story here that’s begging for exposure. It’s unlikely to be done here other than TSFM.