Guest Post by Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan
Good Evening,
Last night, I found myself sitting at home when an e-mail arrived from the administrator of these pages suggesting that I write a guest article for all to consider. At that precise moment my television was full of the efforts of James T Kirk attempting to escape the Wrath of Khan, who blames old James T for all his ills and troubles including what he sees as his ridiculous and malicious banishment to a distant star in the middle of nowhere— amongst other things. He seeks vengeance, causes mayhem, and refuses to recognise the rule of law.
It may seem strange, but there is much to be learned from The Wrath of Khan. For example, in the midst of the action Admiral James T acknowledges that when he first faces what is at the time an unknown adversary, in most unusual and unknown circumstances, he ignores rules and regulation and as a result “gets caught with his pants down.”
That is the consequence of ignoring rules and regulation more often than not—even for the good guys.
This is also the movie where we are introduced to the Kobayashi Maru—the supposedly impossible test in which members of star fleet are asked to rescue a stricken ship and its crew without sacrificing themselves, their starship and all members of their crew. The test is meant to be impossible to solve as it cannot be achieved—unless you change the rules of the game!
Captain’s log: Star date 2012; This is the voyage of the Starship Scottish Fitba—and we’re lost!
How can it come to be, that as we approach September 2012 the world of Scottish Football is in such a state of flux and disarray with an unbelievable amount of uncertainty and doubt about fundamental matters and principles, after months when we have seen the spiralling demise of one of our country’s biggest football clubs and the threatened disintegration of the entire system of football administration in Scotland as a result?
Surely after all that has happened in these past months the administrators would have learned to not only play by the rules, but be seen to be playing by the rules, insisting on the rules, and reinforcing the principles and platforms that those rules are based on?
Rangers PLC has ceased to be a part of Scottish football and the failure to deal with that simple fact, even more than the demise of what was regarded as an institution, is baffling in the extreme. The simple fact of the matter is this: There are rules and laws —regulations if you like —which were pre written to deal with such an event. Apply the rules and everyone knows where they stand— ignore the rules and, as James T Kirk points out, you get caught with your pants down!
So far, the rules have been half implemented half ignored. Rangers were automatically deducted points for going into Administration and properly so. They were convicted, by a properly convened independent panel, of various rule breaches, and duly sentenced as a result—again properly so. Thereafter, the company was consigned to Liquidation because it could not pay its debts- with the result that it loses its SPL share and the right to participate in football altogether— and with the further result that it left a trail of unpaid debts to creditors, including football clubs, which ran to millions of pounds.
Further, let’s be clear, The SPL and the SFL only exist with the consent of the SFA. The SFA are the ultimate governing body in Scottish Football, with the two league associations merely management tools to achieve what is supposed to be the efficient management of the game in compliance with the pre agreed rules, procedures and principles that are meant to govern football and football administration. If you wish to play under this system, then you have to accept the very same rules procedures and principles, and there should be no contracting in or out of either membership, or the laws of the game.
Yet when Rangers went into Administration, and stared liquidation in the face, The Administrators, and subsequently everyone from Bill Miller through to Charles Green stated publicly that they, together with the SFA and all of Scottish Football, were facing the Kobayashi Maru whereby maintaining the rules and the principles of the game whilst at the same time saving Rangers FC could not be achieved!
The rules had to be ignored for the sake of expediency cried some press members. Whilst principles are all well and good, you can’t apply them if it means the death of Rangers—Rangers are too big — cried others. If you apply the principles and the rules you will kill Rangers—and yourselves—said some.
It would appear that when it came to Rangers and their wellbeing, some took the view that principles were not quite so important and that, no matter what, Rangers FC had to be saved—- and there it was—the impossible task— The Kobayashi Maru!
I wonder if those who spouted that argument looked at The SFA website in any detail? Because there it states specifically that the SFA wants its coaches to educate all its young players, trainee managers and future coaches to “ Honour the game-respect your opponent- play to the rules–value sportsmanship–redefine winning- not just focusing on match results and league positions- and to help produce positive, respectful, and confident people with useful life skills“. Presumably those life skills include playing by the rules, valuing integrity, behaving with honour and respecting the position of others and so on.
Yes—It is hard to believe—but all of those phrases are direct quotes from the Scottish Football Association webpages—they are the words of the SFA themselves. How could they be seen to abandon such principles—especially when they so publicly proclaim them?
What a choice then for the SFA—abandon your principles—or lose an institution—The Kobayashi Moru! You just can’t win!
Except, Green & Co—and I include sections of the media in that phrase—clean forgot who was sitting the Kobayashi Moru test. The SFA were never faced with the test—if anything it was their rules that posed the test for whoever wanted to try and save Rangers. In the end, nobody was willing to attempt that task under the existing rules. No one was prepared to come along and pay the debts and so save the club—and at that stage it was Rangers and Rangers alone who faced the Kobayashi Moru.
Green, by way of his Servco company, then sought admission into the footballing world at a time and under circumstances which the rules dictated must result in failure. He had no accounts, no history in the game, effectively no players and nothing that would suggest that he could meet the criteria of the pre agreed rules for entry into the SFA.
It was at this juncture that the footballing executives made the error of ignoring the rules and principles that govern our game—the ones that the SFA espouse on their own website. They tried to shoe in Green against all the rules, with the result that supporters, fans, and club chairman voted them down and left them with their pants firmly glued to their ankles in Kirk speak.
The SFA, at the instigation of the member clubs from all leagues, then played the Kirk role in attempting to solve The Ibrox Kobayashi Moru by changing those rules with the agreement of the majority, so that Mr Green and his cohorts could gain membership, by effectively agreeing to allow Green’s Servco to obtain membership of the SFA on a conditional basis— with one of those conditions being that Mr Green’s company will pay ALL outstanding football debts—and make no mistake Captain Green accepted that he would play by those rules as otherwise he faced oblivion.
Here is what Green said as published on the SFA website following the signing of the 5 man agreement:
“The agreement signed today allows Rangers to be granted membership by the SFA and finally enables the Club to move forward.
“The Board, the Manager and senior executives have been working tirelessly over the last few weeks to secure the future of the Club and today is the start of that process.
“The Board has had to take some very difficult decisions to gain SFA membership, including accepting the delayed transfer ban and paying outstanding financial penalties. But we are now able to get back to playing football and plan for the new season, starting this Sunday with our match against Brechin.”
The website also reported that Servco had been granted conditional membership with one of the conditions being – “Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.”
You will note that nowhere does it state that the SFA or the SPL will pay any of the footballing debts out of any money supposedly due to the second place team in season 2011/2012 as Charles Green appears to claim – and besides it is obvious to everyone that Servco did not participate in the league during that season and so cannot be entitled to any such payment as they were not Registered with the league nor had membership of the SFA or SPL.
Rangers PLC were so registered, but if they were due any money that money would go to their Administrators. However, given that Rangers PLC were the Registered body and were convicted of offences which were described as only second to match fixing, then it follows that they should not be allowed to profit by so much as a penny in that season as a result of their rule breaking activity. Had they been expelled from the league they would have been entitled to nothing at all, and it should be remembered that it was the same Mr Green who took that situation to the Court of Session with the result that the court sent the case back to the panel with the clear instruction that such a penalty may well be appropriate and that in the circumstances the tribunal may have little alternative but to impose such a sanction.
Clearly, this is a scenario that Charles Green had to avoid. In this instance he ignored the footballing rules of not going to courts of law, and found himself with his pants down and facing the Wrath of The Court and the Kobayashi Moru whereby any technical success at the court was likely to result in certain extinction by way of expulsion from the league.
Now Captain Green seems intent on steering his starship into yet another dead end with fatal consequences. He claims that the Scottish Football debts are paid. If we ignore for the minute that he has never attempted to pay any footballing debts outwith Scotland – thus jeopradising his conditional acceptance into the SFA— his claim that it was agreed that these debts would be paid by the SPL or the SFA out of 2011/2012 prize money is derisory.
No fundamental principle of fair play, respect for opponents and attempt at honouring the game could allow for such a situation. Besides the SFA were quite clear in their statement and he has at no time demurred. From the date of the 5 man agreement onwards Captain Green undertook to pay all of the footballing debts— and if he doesn’t, then again he risks the withdrawal of his conditional membership. There is no other solution to the issue. Those are the rules he signed up to, and if you ignore the rules………….
However, this entire affair still has far to go. Where is the transparency and clarity championed by Henry Mcleish and oft promised by Stewart Regan and others? Why are the details of Green’s investors and his business plan, timescales for meeting obligations and everything else about his operation kept so secret? Given the history of those who have been in charge of Ibrox over the last twenty years, the complete failure of their administration and what is now known about their tenure there and in football generally,— and given Green’s latest public statements—, does it not occur to the SFA that the rest of Scottish football has a right to know the details of what they have been told and what Green has promised?
He has promised to clear the footballing debts and appears to be making little attempt to do that whilst his manager hails as triumphs the signing of what he sees as the best players from other teams at relatively huge expense—whilst the debts remain, and the obligations are unfulfilled.
Again that cannot be right and goes against all principles of respecting opponents and honouring the game. It is a circumstance that amounts to the antithesis of the principles espoused by the SFA and appears to be completely contrary to the mandate given to Regan and the powers that be by the clubs and fans of all divisions. Further, the current position gives the impression that Mr Green believes that he can run his company and participate in football as and how he wants, as and when he wants and under his terms and conditions.
This smacks of previous regimes that hovered around Ibrox for far too long with ultimately disastrous results particularly for Rangers fans, investors and creditors.
History cannot be allowed to repeat itself under these circumstances and the SFA must bring pressure on Green to pay the obligations that he undertook to meet within a publicly known timescale. Not only does he need to do that for the benefit of the clubs owed money—he needs to do it for the sake of the integrity of the whole of Scottish football, and he should not be allowed to build at team or field a team if he breaches the agreement. That should be the rule.
He should not be allowed to sacrifice publicly proclaimed and nationally accepted principles for the sake of his own financial expediency “for the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few—- or the one!”
Oh—and lest anyone think that it is mere trivia to link the current plight of Scottish Football with Star Trek and the Wrath of Khan, and that any such comparison is childish and of little consequence, that last quote was specifically relied upon, referred to and quoted in the Supreme Court of Texas in a decision issued on 22nd October 2010 in the case of Barbara Robinson, Individually and as Representative of the Estate of John Robinson, Deceased, Petitioner against Crown Cork & Seal Company, Inc., Individually and as Successor to Mundet Cork Corporation, Respondent— thus bringing the undoubted logic and wisdom of Mr Spock well and truly into the Law of the United States of America!
Few would argue that Spock’s logic is not a sound legal principle!
It also seems to me that perhaps Spock had some solid business advice for those who choose to ignore the rules with a view to seeking short term gain or advantage—whether that be by way of trophies, money, position or what have you—but peril their entire existence by engaging in unlawful or illegal activity. It is advice which was ignored apparently by Sir David Murray and his board and by Craig Whyte and his entire cabal. We wait to see if Charles Green will have learned the lesson that they so clearly didn’t, or whether he believes in the potential rewards of the quick fix at any cost?
Live long…….. And prosper!
the delays by all will allow newco to get up, running and established , whilst the sfa and spl continue the ruse that oldco=newco by applying minor fines but ignoring major fines and debts.
Senior 10.56 :
I can understand both sides of the nomenclature debate but without proffering opinion, may I say
“T’aint Rangers”
is simply succulent !
How many charges for sectarian and racist chanting are this new club RFC Tribute Act facing now? The SFL seem to be preparing a huge backlash against them because of the time it is taking to act. The reaction to racism at the Euros was huge, it was a massive issue, English journalists covered a lot of air miles to cover the story before the tournament started, travelling to grounds across the continent to get footage of “supporters” involved in this disgraceful behaviour, all they needed to do was jump a Train to Glasgow and head to a place known locally as Castle Greyskull.
When CFC play their first home game against Sevco will the tickets be described as
Celtic v The Rangers ?
or
Celtic v The Rangers(formerly Sevco)?
or
Celtic v Rangers?
I would imagine there is no inaccuarcy in the first two
Agrajag says:
August 19, 2012 at 10:11
I’m sorry but this current fashion here of “let’s just all move on” is exactly contrary to the ethos of the previous site which this one claims to be the successor to. Let’s all examine the facts and tell it like it is. That’s what’s good for Scottish football, not sweeping transgressions under the carpet and accepting convenient propaganda.
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This.
The “let’s move on” attitude is exactly what happened after Watergate and look what has happened to American politics since. By “moving on” do we just accept that the likes of SDM or MBB get to “move on” too?
We should “move on” after justice gets served imho.
Livia Burlando says:
August 19, 2012 at 10:55
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HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 10:13
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Livia Burlando says:
August 19, 2012 at 09:54
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The company is now called The Rangers Football Club, quite legally.
The company is registered with the SFA as Rangers, unchallenged by any of the other members.
It is a new club, not the same club… a new club called Rangers. It’s an outrage that it was allowed to happen, but happen it did. To be honest I think we look a bit petulant insisting on Sevco.
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The legality, or otherwise, of Sevco using the Rangers FC trademark, is not yet a done deal. In fact, I would go far as to say as I’d be surprised if they will still be using the name by the end of the season.
HP: I actually wondered, just after I hit comment, if I was right about the name change and I was rather hoping someone would clarify. If I understand it right the events to date are:
Oldco is now called Rangers 2012 plc – that is complete, yes?
Newco plans to be called The Rangers Football Club.. is this also complete? Or not complete? Does the regulation that you outline mean that they can go ahead and do it and then we have to wait for someone ( the liquidator?) to challenge it? Because it seems to me that there being a rule, law, or regulation against something doesn’t seem to stop them doing whatever the hell they want.
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There is a strange quirk in the law that allows a new company – lets call them “Sevco Scotland” – to rename their company to the same (or something very similar) as a company in administration that has ceased trading.
However if, within a year, the company in administration goes into liquidation, anyone who has acted as a director, shadow director or de-facto director of the original company will have committed a criminal offence if he has been involved in the formation or trading of the new company.
If The Rangers Football Club PLC (now known as RFC2012 PLC) go into liquidation within 12 months of Sevco changing its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd, Mr Green’s position with both companies will be closely scrutinised.
Rangers FC, the trading name of both companies, is so close to the company names it would be covered by Section 216.
For clarity, I make no allegation of criminal behaviour by Mr Green or anyone else.
For me it will always be Sevco until the Liquidators or the Court decide that the have the right to the name Rangers. They are where they are because their predecessors cheated and the SFA ignored, bent and broke rules to allow Sevco in before the slight of hand switcheroo for the name change.
It doesn’t really matter what we call them the call themselves “Rangers”, their website and advertising for ST proclaims that together we are “Rangers”, the MSM, the Radio, the TV pundits all call them “Rangers”. This has come about by fraud and cheating encouraged and approved by the SFA., and it is the SFA who will bear untilmate responsibility for the bile they have fortified in the knuckledraggers.
Honesty, integrity, human decency, respect are all values which we try to install in our children. The SFA by their corrupt course of shameful conduct have told our children that it is acceptable to cheat, lie and steal and that the Law does not matter. Is that the kind of society we want for our children?
Goosy says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:15
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When CFC play their first home game against Sevco will the tickets be described as
Celtic v The Rangers ?
or
Celtic v The Rangers(formerly Sevco)?
or
Celtic v Rangers?
I would imagine there is no inaccuarcy in the first two
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Sevco have purchased the intellectual property of The Rangers Football Club PLC. That include the trading name and crest of the old club.
If they get past Section 216 of the Insolvency Act, Sevco’s version of Rangers can correctly use the name “Rangers” or “Rangers FC” as their playing name. The legality (or otherwise) of the playing name will be decided by the potential actions (or inactions) of BDO and the courts.
However, even if they can legally use the name of the original club, The Rangers Football Club Ltd does not “own” the heritage or history associated with the Rangers formed in 1873 and incorporated in 1899. That club’s history and heritage lies with the entity that is soon to expire.
The MG name and crest now (quite legally) appears on kit-cars built in China and assembled at the old Longbridge factory in Birmingham.
SAIC legally own the MG brand; but they are not MG. The entity that used to be MG was liquidated and no longer exists.
For me it’s quite simple, RFC (oldco) still exist, they may be braindead and on life support but BDO are crossing the T’s and dotting the i’s on the documentation before officially switching off life support.
A guy from Yorkshire bought a football ground, a training ground and some players off the company in charge of the administration of RFC (oldco) and decided to start a new club. He styled on RFC(oldco), a tribute band of sorts. They cannot be RFC (oldco) with all the history as they still exist, so they must be a new club.
They are a new club in the eyes of UEFA and FIFA and they trump the SFA by some margin.
Was there some sort of Cull or Censorship on the site yesterday afternoon, appear to be some posts missing?
On a positive note.
I am told the Dundee derby is a sell it.
It is a lovely sunny day. Perfect for watching football.
Well done to the support, have a great day and may the better team win.
All the followers in my family of the new club T’Rangers all believe that CG’s new Holding company has taken over the running of the football club from the other holding company that is being liquidated.
Any logical explanation of why there would be a need to transfer SFA memebershp if this were the case goes miles over their heads.
The danger in “moving on” is that an important piece is missed here – the reason that the punishements and not consequences occurred.
If we accept its the same club then why did it have to reapply to SFA/SFL? Why did it have to give up its SPL membership? If we allow the reasons behind these occurrences to then also be shown to be contrived against the new club.
For example if we allow the arguement that it was the hoding company that went out of business, then the lack of European football and starting life in SFL3 become harder to justify – which is why there is so much anger in the new T’Rangers websites.
if the truth is not accepted, the rationales become skewered
It only makes sense when the truth pervails
That is why it is not a trivial battle – it is important.
Contrast and compare this Sunday Mail story with the reporting of the Rangers saga
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rod-mcdougall-crashes-company-1268878
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The danger in “moving on” is that an important piece is missed here – the reason that the punishements and not consequences occurred
Should be
The danger in “moving on” is that an important piece is missed here – otherwsie the T’Rangers fans will continue to believe incorrectly what occurred and therefore assume the logical reason that there were punishements and not consequences that occurred
The Invisible Line says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:57
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You are correct, if looked at it from a certain perspective and accepting the specious argument that it is the same club then yes they have been relegated, were thrown out of the SPL, have had the European place stolen, have lost all of the best players, have lost TV income.
As opposed to having been given preferential treatment and leap frogged into a league, ahead of others with a better claim. That there is no European ban, they are simply ineligible. That no players left, some chose to join. That there is no entitlement to media income as an associate member.
The Scottish footballing authorities are in fact creating and feeding this sense of persecution by perpetuating the “same club different company” myth. It is both illogical and dangerous.
There was no “holding company” that is simply nonsense. Rangers, the club and Rangers, the company was the same thing. The club was not owned by the company, it was the company. Just look at who owned shares in what and that becomes obvious.
HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:16
However if, within a year, the company in administration goes into liquidation, anyone who has acted as a director, shadow director or de-facto director of the original company will have committed a criminal offence if he has been involved in the formation or trading of the new company.
If The Rangers Football Club PLC (now known as RFC2012 PLC) go into liquidation within 12 months of Sevco changing its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd, Mr Green’s position with both companies will be closely scrutinised.
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That’s very clear, thank you. But doesn’t it seem unlikely that a) the liquidation will be over in a year and b) BDO will care enough about CG or the existence of New Rangers to go to the effort of proving him to have been a shadow director?
Of course as far as b) is concerned we don”t know what BDO will uncover…
Brian McNally the football writer for the Sunday Mirror is consistently good on the real story around The Rangers – if you need cheering up with all the propaganda we are facing – check him out on twitter @McNallyMirror – he gives journalism a good name in a sea of embarassement
http://twitter.com/McNallyMirror
JJ says:
August 19, 2012 at 10:57
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JimmyBones…..Wow, is MacPherson aware of the import of what he has admitted in the reply above? He is saying that the media in general, and the Herald in particular, do not have the resources or acumen to report the twists and turns in the Rangers/Sevco saga. Which begs the question – why buy their papers?
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I take it they no longer have financial sections in their newspapers, or if they do the guys who write them know nothing about what they’re writing about.
Agrajag says:
August 19, 2012 at 13:12
Absolutely 100% agreement – that is exaclty what I was tryign to say
Same items arise with their arguements regarding Juninho’s EBT, Motherwell and Dundee’s “liquidations”, Celtic not being relegated in 1994 and also stripped of European Cup history – if we all say, well you can believe what your PR Guru Jack aka Oldgold (Graduate of Josef Goebbels Academy) puts out then we have lost the informaiton battle….
.If we concede that truth does not matter we can switch the lights off and find something else to do
Agrajag says:
August 19, 2012 at 13:12
Absolutely – 100% agreement – that is exactly what I was trying to say
Same items arise with their arguments regarding Juninho’s EBT, Motherwell and Dundee’s “liquidations”, Celtic not being relegated in 1994 and also stripped of European Cup history – if we all say, well you can believe what your PR Guru Jack (Graduate of Josef Goebbels Academy) puts out then we have lost the information battle….
.If we concede that truth does not matter we can switch the lights off and find something else to do
smallteaser says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:56
Was there some sort of Cull or Censorship on the site yesterday afternoon, appear to be some posts missing?
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There was a troll on, spouting all the nonsense that this blog does not deserve.
The Iceman says:
August 18, 2012 at 22:12
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You make a very eloquent point in the post I refer to above.
Sadly whilst your view is both logical and entirely practical it fundamentally avoids to key things:
1. The whole fake over by CW, then pretend CVA followed by the sale to Sevco was engineered to dump all the debt and then re-emerge with none of the liabilities and none of the sanctions.
2. McCoist, Jardine and other Rangers have stated, categorically, that they will not accept the stripping of titles. This view will be upheld by a compliant MSM and weak, impotent SFA. It will fall neatly within the “punished enough” mantra.
This is where we are, a team, a club who have gone bust but have re-emerged with their songs, stadium, ‘tradition’ and of course their “history”, not because it’s right, or permissible, but simply because they refuse to accept logic of any kind, nor the laws, rules and administration of the game itself. It is supremacy on steroids.
If this con is completed and Sevco FC walk away from any sanctions related to the history of previous titles and trophies won then we are almost at the point where the game is over in this country.
More worryingly than that though, for me, is the fact that as a Society and as a nation enough people have either colluded, or, worse, done nothing, for this to be allowed to happen, either through a desire to make it so, or fear, deep fear, of what will happen if it doesn’t.
Wee hint here for the MSM – anyoen mentioning tomorrow being “debt free”, please follow up by askiing if this means that all vendors/suppliers were paid up fron for Satrudays game – and in particular Strathclydes finest and St John’s Ambulance folks – given that many of these folks were all shafted by the od company, it woudl be admirable to be debt free and pay them up from.
If all bills have been paid, all wages/NIC/PAYE paid and T’Rangers have no outgoings at in the coming few weeks, then he can continue for now to claim to be debt free.
However if the suppliers/vendors are as expected going to be submitting invoices for the supplying of security, programs, pies and such services, please ask CG to educate himself on the meaning of debt free.
My money is on the latter – especially if as suspected a debt is owed to Ticketus…………..
hi everyone , enjoying reading through most of the posts here…i have an important question here…does anyone here want to have an intelligent go at what lord nimmo judgement will be on the ebts in october regarding new rangers and what possible punishment their could be for this if found guilty ?…i personally havent a clue what they will do if they find old rangers guilty of this ?…..ten years of illegally registered players ?…
the stripping of titles and cups during this period will be automatic i would assume but thats not a punishment…what punishment can you pass for something as big as this ?
Anybody, Have East Fife received their money yet ?.
I notice that Yorkie sold season ticket holder’s seats yesterday,people being told that their seats were gone were not very happy. Now That’s the Measure of the man.
RayCharles says:
August 19, 2012 at 03:39
Ray C. absolutely terrific. The whole thing in a nutshell
OldCo then, NewCo now, NewCo forever. Simple.
Nowoldandgrumpy at 7.58
You have eloquently expressed how I feel but whilst I accept it will not be possible to turn the clock back I think it vital those responsible for destroying trust in Scottish football are removed but more importantly the conditions of secrecy and unaccountability that enabled them to cover up going back years never mind months are changed.
It will be a long battle to do so but it can be done if SFM readers who feel like you do approach their own supporter trusts or associations and galvanise them into action.
It has been done before with a bit of success but requires a united movement across the full supporter base to make meaningful as compared to cosmetic change.
All the background can be found at the following link and I hope you will contact your own supporters trust who are part of Supporters Direct, whom I suspect are as angry at the SFA/SPL as you are, to request they face down the powers that be.
http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=952:a-trust-that-would-benefit-scottish-football&catid=49:season-2012-2013&Itemid=85
Livia Burlando says:
August 19, 2012 at 13:23
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HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:16
However if, within a year, the company in administration goes into liquidation, anyone who has acted as a director, shadow director or de-facto director of the original company will have committed a criminal offence if he has been involved in the formation or trading of the new company.
If The Rangers Football Club PLC (now known as RFC2012 PLC) go into liquidation within 12 months of Sevco changing its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd, Mr Green’s position with both companies will be closely scrutinised.
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That’s very clear, thank you. But doesn’t it seem unlikely that a) the liquidation will be over in a year and b) BDO will care enough about CG or the existence of New Rangers to go to the effort of proving him to have been a shadow director?
Of course as far as b) is concerned we don”t know what BDO will uncover…
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a) the liquidation will be over in a year
The relevant date is when the insolvent liquidation begins – not when it is completed. The Rangers Football Club PLC (or RFC2012 PLC as it is now called) will almost certainly be in liquidation within the next 4-6 weeks.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/45/section/216
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b) BDO will care enough about CG or the existence of New Rangers to go to the effort of proving him to have been a shadow director?
The liquidator has the power to set aside any transaction he may consider voidable – potentially including the sale of the business and assets to Mr Green’s company. BDO will absolutely care about the role Mr Green played when The Rangers Football Club PLC should have been managed by the administrators D&P.
I am sure Mssrs Green, Whitehouse and Clark will all be asked to provide information to the liquidator. They will want to know if Mr Green had influence over the control of the company, whether assets were sold under-value to Sevco and if creditors have been disadvantaged.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/insmanual/ins44505.htm
A couple of weekend thoughts from me. Are Ticketus due any money from the season tickets sold by Sevco or was that debt retained by oldco? Never did quite get to the bottom of it.
Also, with all the SPL quality players that sevco are buying, they may not be on the best wages they have ever been on but you can bet there are little top ups put into the mox to make sure they manage to keep the wolves from the door. I’ve heard of a great scheme called Employee Benefit Trusts ………
Finally, I’m sure that HMRC are closely watching develpoments with Sevco to make sure that the Revenue sums add up in terms of tax. 40K season tix @ £??? makes how many million, plus full houses each week at Ibrox. I’m sure Mr Green would undercook the revenues earned by Sevco to avoid paying all the tax on it…would he?
On the tiresome debate of is it the same club.
If its the same club then how come in spite of coming second in the SPL they find themselves playing with a diffferent (but similar name) in the 3rd Division of the SFL and are not playing in any UEFA competition?
They were NOT relegated, the 10 points deduction cost them nothing as they ended more than 10 in front of the pack and more than 10 behind the champions. So how come the same club are in SFL3?
They came second and should have played in a CL qualifier. So how come they did not?
Answer As far as real football is concerned they are a different footballing entity. End of.
Hirsute
Keep at it pal. If nothing else let BDO know we know what their job is supposed to be about.
This is not an unrelated series of events happening here. It is the consequence of a corrupt mindset at play, like lettering through rock, that thinks in terms of what it can get away with, not what is right and proper.
It began with SDM runs through CW grounded itself in DnP for a rest before involving CG who just conceniently turned up.
In a year’s time there is every chance Regan and Doncaster will say that they too were duped.
If as EJ says…we should just all accept the NEW CLUB is in fact the old Rangers….can someone therefore explain why the club sitting in SFL 3 have not been deducted 25 points as Rangers football club are still in Administration?
Just asking how this is possible unless of course…the NEW CLUB is in fact a new club and nothing to do with Rangers Football Club that are no longer permitted to play football in Scotland?
I have to disagree EJ…as soon as we start to accept some of the lies…we may as well close the suitcase and go home..
HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:33
Thanks for the patient explanation, HP.
Season tickets for seats sold twice – well I never……..CG is really turning the screw….
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-fans-anger-as-they-are-locked-outside-1268559
HUNDREDS of Rangers fans were left fuming yesterday after being locked out of Ibrox – despite having season tickets.
Most missed the first half of their team’s 5-1 win against East Stirling, their first home game after being sent down to the third division.
A round 20 were locked out for the whole match.
Supporters queued outside the Ibrox ticket office for over an hour because their season ticket cards had not been activated despite money being taken from their bank accounts.
Some were even told they couldn’t get in to watch the match because their seats had already been sold.
The first Rangers home game since liquidation drew a crowd of 49,118.w
Manager Ally McCoist’s call for a “Sellout Saturday” saw the attendance eclipse the combined total of yesterday’s five SPL matches.
But the locked out fans were not happy at missing the 5-1 win.
John Bankier, 72, from Bearsden, near Glasgow, said: “When I tried to use my card to get into the stand the red light flashed. Now after queuing for half an hour and missing the first half, I have been told I don’t have a seat. My card hasn’t been activated despite me paying for it and filling in my season ticket form.
“They’ve sold my seat that I’ve been sitting in for 25 years. I can’t get in and they told me they will have to phone the guy that has my seat to see if he will give it back to me.
“It’s not going to happen. I’m really disappointed. This is not what I expected from the first game of the season.”
Frances Pollock, 74, from Dunoon, Argyll, said: “This was supposed to be a treat from our nephew.
“When we tried to use our tickets they wouldn’t work. We should be in our seats enjoying the game but instead we’re stuck in this line.
“I was really looking forward to the game but now I feel deflated.”
But Jim Clark, 54, from Glasgow, said: “At the end of the day we knew there were going to be problems.
“This is the first match – I’m sure they will get things sorted for the next one. Out of our 12 season tickets, only my son’s failed to activate, which I think isn’t that bad. If you don’t have the right attitude you won’t win.”
No one from Rangers was available to comment.
But new owner Charles Green said: “Never mind Sellout Saturday that supporters from other clubs tried to organise – this is sold-out Saturday.
“We have sold more than 33,000 season tickets. This is the highest attendance in Scottish football this weekend.”
One thing that continues to really puzzle me is what has happened to Bomber Broon!?
From the Carlsberg Address on the steps of the Big Hoose, to his emergence on Twitter, to his meeting with Malcolm Murray, to…… Complete and utter silence.
So does own Ibrox? Who’s name is on the Deeds? Anyone care to offer a view?
Why call out Green for being a con-man, then decide to shut-up….?
SpecialsWon says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:52
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One thing that continues to really puzzle me is what has happened to Bomber Broon!?
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RTC exits stage left at much the same time, too.
You may have stumbled upon the identity of the mysterious blooger.
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Article stuck in moderation so will give you the link
Season tickets for seats sold twice – well I never……..CG is really turning the screw….
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-fans-anger-as-they-are-locked-outside-1268559
Nowoldandgrumpy,s comment yesterday about the corruption that has happened in Scottish football must be close to the heart of many football fans in this country.
How can I possibly continue to pay money to watch a sport that is openly corrupt to the benefit of one club?
I cannot see the day when I will return to this sport.
I thank all of the wonderful people that have played a part in uncovering this corruption and wish you all well for the future.
I have had many many days, weeks and months of thought and cannot get away from the need to cleanse myself from this mud heap that is Scotland and Scottish football.
I will no longer give my shilling to a corrupt sport and wish you all the best in fighting for a change that I believe will never come.
Sevco will be nourished using your money by those employed to apply the laws of the game and country and I am now of the opinion that the only way to change the game is to completely withdraw all funds and support …even to my own team as they have done nothing to reassure me that they are not complicity in what has happened.
This is not my sport and This is not my country as long as the officials that run the game, the politicians that run the country and the MSM continue with their agenda to openly support a bigoted, cheating and socially unacceptable club.
SpecialsWon says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:52
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And the money he collected….
Shouting from a distance
Unless Ticketus represent investors who have more money than sense they will be wanting their money back.
Now 33,000 SBs at £258 less x concessionary tickets less VAT (assuming it gets paid of course) does not provide the £10m the Sunday Mail claimed. Nearer £6.6m. Lets say Ticketus syphon off x% in increments over next 5 years to get their money back and one thing there is for sure is that there will not be a strong Rangers at Ibrox for years to come.
On top of that there is no sustainable football model to fall back on. Who was the last player from the Murray Park to make it big time for example? You can see that there are those who do not wish this truth to come out because of the impact on sales.
On the other hand there must be a significant number amongst the 33000 who will support the emerging reality, and good on them for a club with that size of support is bound to be competetitive but it will not be the same Rangers they were used to watching.
Will the missing 10,00 return?
We’ll see.
Ticketus would struggle to get their money back from 3rd division SFL prices, this would not even cover the discounted amount they paid for them.
Palacio67 says:
August 19, 2012 at 13:57
smallteaser says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:56
Was there some sort of Cull or Censorship on the site yesterday afternoon, appear to be some posts missing?
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There was a troll on, spouting all the nonsense that this blog does not deserve.
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Jings that must have been me, 2 of my posts disappeared, but a post about a good refereeing display remained.
There is a lot of “nonsense” on this site, I take it the offending posts were abusive?
HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:33
Livia Burlando says:
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HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:16
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They will want to know if Mr Green had influence over the control of the company, whether assets were sold under-value to Sevco and if creditors have been disadvantaged.
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Hirsute, here is what Green was to do (from CVA Proposal).
4.21 From 6 June 2012, Charles Green will be appointed to assist in the day-to-day management of the business of the Company (at no cost to the Company or the Joint Administrators), in order to manage the ongoing trading costs of the Company and allow for a smooth transition in ownership.
“Company” means The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. (company number SC004276).”
This sounds very much like he was expected to carry out the functions of a director for the Company.
Auldheid, @ 16:10,
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I saw that back page in the diner this morning and I had 2 thoughts; isn’t this yarn being peddled by the same paper that last year ran stories of front loaded war chests to the tune of £10m about 1 year ago (how did that work out BTW)? and I was under the impression (and would appreciate clarification) that for the Big House to stay open all season fixed costs of £18m need to be met.
Is the Ticketus investment arrangement not time limited to 3 years due to favourable tax incentives?
On the subject of tickets, what happened to all the season ticket holders who purchased their ‘books’ 2 to 3 years in advance, have they had to shell out again?
A good human interest story there for the MSM
“Sevco Scotland Ltd has agreed to settle all outstanding football debts to other members of the Scottish FA plus clubs under the jurisdiction of other Football Associations.”
AS St Etienne, France £252,212.39
Arsenal Football Club £136,560
Chelsea FC £238,345.43
Manchester City FC £328,248.71
SK Rapid, Austria £1,011,763.44
The Scottish Football League £3,859.92
Celtic FC £40,337
Dundee United FC £65,981.49
Dunfermline Athletic FC £83,370.13
Heart of Midlothian FC £800,000
Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC £39,805
SPL £22,500
SFA 11,089.04
thats £3m that Charles has promised to pay , surely its not difficult to get clarification if these debts as claimed have been paid , and if not why not as its a condition of acceptance.
Old co then. New co now. New co til Halloween.
Over on KDS they have sponsored 16 players from various teams in SFL – excellent job lads!
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11664189&t=8709402
Albion Rovers
Gary Philips, Connor Stevenson
Alloa
Ryan Harding
Annan Athletic
Michael Daly, Michael McGowan
Arbroath
Keiran Brennan
Ayr Utd
Ryan McStay
Clyde
David Marsh, John Kane, Stuart McColm
East Stirlingshire
Scott Maxwell
Livingston
Jordan Morton
Peterhead
Scott McLaughlin
Raith Rovers
Stuart Anderson
Stranraer
Grant Gallagher, Mark Staunton
timtim says:
August 19, 2012 at 16:33
CG says he paid Hearts and Aberdeen – yet Aberdeen are not on that list 🙂
Wonder if he knows he has been duped by Stuart Milne……….
I wonder if he now has a second hand toaster
On this continuing debate over what we should call the team playing at Ibrox. Undoubtedly, the MSM have colluded with Green and McCoist in their propoganda asault and the ‘name’ issue has been a major factor in their efforts to persuade the oldco hordes to purchase season tickets and has, by and large, worked. Now there was never any doubt that all but the most enlightened bear would accept that they are the ‘real’ Rangers but the propoganda continues and all involved with the hoodwink operation are aware that it will mean nothing if everyone else still refers to them as Sevco or newco or whatever. They also know, though, that once/if the name ‘Rangers’ is in general use by those outside the Ibrox brotherhood, that they will have won that battle and the other, perhaps more important, battles to come will be so much easier for them to win. What’s more, should we ever start refering to them as ‘Rangers’ on this blog then, despite claims that they never read TSFM (or RTC), we can be in no doubt that the MSM will be delighted to print that ‘even the Celtic biased TSFM are now acknowledging that they are the real Rangers’ complete with quotes!
In my opinion, if we ever start to call them Rangers, or even The Rangers, we will have helped them overcome a major hurdle and to continue hoodwinking and damaging Scottish football, something that the whole ethos of this blog is against.
And while they may be legally called The Rangers FC, why should we acknowledge this when they have ignored the law, the rules of football, sporting integrity etc and have only ‘used’ the laws of the land when it suits their agenda?
It can, indeed, be tiresome to write, and read, posts that refer to that club under a variety of names, but should we ever refer to them solely by their chosen name we will have handed them a victory! To solve this may I suggest we get into the habit of using only one or two names and that, rather than have another vote, leave it to TSFM to decide what those names should be. Of course, no one should ever be discouraged from inventing new and humorous names for that new club, but the names chosen would be the default names we use.
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HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:33
Livia Burlando says:
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HirsutePursuit says:
August 19, 2012 at 12:16
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They will want to know if Mr Green had influence over the control of the company, whether assets were sold under-value to Sevco and if creditors have been disadvantaged.
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Hirsute, here is what Green was to do (from CVA Proposal).
4.21 From 6 June 2012, Charles Green will be appointed to assist in the day-to-day management of the business of the Company (at no cost to the Company or the Joint Administrators), in order to manage the ongoing trading costs of the Company and allow for a smooth transition in ownership.
“Company” means The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. (company number SC004276).”
This sounds very much like he was expected to carry out the functions of a director for the Company.
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Indeed.
His attendance at SPL and SFA meetings (representing Rangers Football Club PLC) would suggest that with this appointment he had been granted a level of responsibility commensurate with club chairman and/or CEO.
It is very, very strange that it was all done with no attempt to disguise his role. Even if he was not aware of the potential consequences, Clark & Whitehouse should certainly have known.
Smallteaser.
If Ticketus are still in the game it will be the long one.
Allyjambo Taxpayer @ 16.44.
Sevco will do for me,and anything rab comes up with.I dont who it was a couple of months ago who suggested we stop calling rangers rangers,but since then Sevco seems to be the most often used.
Great post Allyjambo,perfect explanation of the situation.
Question for the more learned folks on here
CG looks to be playing brinmanship if I am reading the information provided by HP/Redtin again.
Given his history – days before the CVA announcing plans to buy players and 30 million investmenr – seems he likes to scupper things for some reason – need to find the reason.
If BDO do say they want to undo the deal – CG would get his money back of 5.5 million. BDP would then take back the assests to sell.
However for the season ticket money what happens then.
If TRFC then goes into admin, does he not get quite a good killing – 10 million allegedly (closer to 6.5 in reality) of ST money.
The key is they all paid cash – if I buy a plane ticket with my CC I have some protection if the airline goes bust and I am out of the flight. If I pay cash I amd stuck.
Would that work with the STs too – cash means tough luck?
Trying to make sense of his options so we can see the likely path he is going to go down – because I cannot see them staying afloat until a Share Issue at the rate they are pumping money out to Elbows and the likes at 15 to 20K a week each,,,,,
From the Herald in June. It looks like BDO quickly reversed and clarified their statement.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/liquidators-refuse-to-rule-out-sale-of-ibrox-stadium.17871952
RANGERS liquidators say they are unable to guarantee that the club will continue to play at Ibrox, the club’s home for the past 113 years.
Insolvency expert BDO has been brought into oversee the liquidation of the company’s assets after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) is expected to be formally rejected at a meeting of creditors today.
Yesterday, the company refused to rule out a fire sale of assets if former Sheffield United chief executive Charles Green fails in his bid to form a “newco” from the assets.
It could mean Rangers being forced to leave the club’s home since 1899, and the land sold for redevelopment, along with Murray Park, its training ground built at a cost of £14 million near Milngavie, East Dunbartonshire.
The development came after joint liquidator Malcolm Cohen, of London-based BDO, had initially insisted his appointment “will not mean the end of football at Ibrox – only the end of the company that ran the club”.
Mr Cohen, who has been appointed with colleague James Stephen, added: “The liquidators will seek to protect any remaining assets, maximise recoveries for the benefit of creditors and investigate the reasons behind the failure of the company.”
Mr Green, the Yorkshire-based businessman who heads the Sevco consortium, became the preferred bidder with an £8.5m loan to buy the club through a CVA. But through a newco the sum is cut to £5.5m.
Despite Mr Cohen’s claim, BDO was later unable to rule out a fire sale. It said the statement about the continuation of football at Ibrox referred to the success of Mr Green’s newco.
The club’s biggest creditor, HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which was offered just £1.9m of a debt perceived by the administrators to run initially to £21m, rejected a CVA, meaning the club will be wound down with assets placed in a newco.
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Can someone clarify please.
“Insolvency expert BDO has been brought into oversee the liquidation of the company’s assets after a company voluntary arrangement (CVA)”
If this was the case, how could Green buy the assets from D&D after the rejection of the CVA.if BDO were now in charge of them?
I am aware there was supposed to be an irrevocable agreement between Green and D&D to sell the assets at a fixed price if the CVA failed and that this agreement, also had confidential conditions attached.
Why were Green or D&D not required to provide these confidential conditions to BDO or HMRC prior to the sale of the assets, or indeed any other creditor?
As Watty’s bid was passed to BDO, and it was higher than Green’s, could this be a route that BDO would use to look behind the Green deal with D&D?
Sorry for all the questions but not of a business background and am amazed at some of the tricks and cons that appear to be available to an unscrupulous business opportunist in this country.
Auldheid says:
August 19, 2012 at 17:08
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Smallteaser.
If Ticketus are still in the game it will be the long one.
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I think they lose any tax benefits if they run for more than 5 years.
I have seen nothing to tell me they have gone away, I have seen nothing also to say they are still linked.
However rich people do not throw money away, and they will do everything they can to recoup their money.
Also if TicketUs fail here then they will struggle for future investments.
Why are there no home games listed to buy tickets on the “Sevco” website??
Are they running on a game to game basis??
Its beggining to look as if some people have came forward just to light the ‘Blue Touch Paper’ and then stand back and wait for the big bang ,no other reason for Wattie and Bomber to say what they said and then zilch ,they have done what was asked of them ,tick tick tick
I wonder if the ten thousand who paid at the gate rather than buy a season ticket are those New Rangers fans with more than 2 brain cells? They obviously want to attend every game, but are they too nervous about committing to a whole year with the distinct possibility of it all going pear shaped-again?
How many people’s opinion of Ally McCoist et al has changed over the last few months?
We are now getting to see the bones of our game.
EKBhoy says:
August 19, 2012 at 16:32
Is the Ticketus investment arrangement not time limited to 3 years due to favourable tax incentives?
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Ticketus did not have an investment agreement.
They had bought season tickets, from the previous club.
That contract was subsequently broken by the administrator, and the amount they paid for the tickets (which they will now not get) converted to a debt. That debt is now part of the liquidation process.
Smallteasers
My feelings exactly. Philanthropists they aint despite having the pist ripped out of them.
I have sent jw the email contacts of 3 leagues and hope to complete the epl later tonight.
A large crowd yesterday for a league opening, 3pm kick off on a lovely sunny day, and mind controlled, propaganda fed dupes to manipulate. Lets see the winter crowds ( well, they might still be here ) when they are 30 points clear, ST holders are bored and pay at gate has dried up.
No need to fall out over rangers and redbridge’s brand name, we can all have our opinion until the legalities are finalised.
Mine is, rangers and The rangers will always be strangers.
Met a chap on Saturday night who I played footie (5’s) with back in mid 80’s, he was a big Rangers man and a thoroughly decent guy. After 2 mins of conversation I said Newco or Oldco ? His instant reply “ Newco”. So there are some enlightened people out there
Reading the contrite words and apologetic tones via our MSM, it emphatically looks like Charles Green and The Rangers are masters at ‘how to win friends and influence people’!
Nothing has changed. If anything it’s worse.
For that reason alone, this site has a purpose.
CGs time at Norwich 95-98 – chaos!
“Charles Green is a much vilified figure at Bramall Lane…won him few friends within the club, or with the fans.
Now, after a significant absence, Green is back in football with Rangers. The fans should treat his arrival with caution. What his role will be day-to-day remains to be seen. But the last thing Rangers need now is a man who takes risks, a man who panics when the risks don’t pay off and a man who fans doubt they can trust”.
http://aunitedview.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/charles-green-he-sells-team.html
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I know this has been touched on several times and perhaps I’ve missed some good comment on it, so apologies if this has been said before and said better. It may be worthwhile bringing it up again regardless.
Bigotry (dictionary definition): obtuse or narrow-minded intolerance, especially of other races or religions
Control of language or confusion of language (and meaning) is one way in which bigots try to self-justify and/or deflect (quite proper) accusations. Thus white racists go on about fictional anti-white agendas to confuse perception of their own hate of non-whites.
So the “anti-Rangers bigotry” accusation, reported without comment by the MSM feeds into the same kind of self-justification and attempt at obfuscation used by bigots. It is of course a very nasty insult towards anyone who has suffered from real bigotry. That the MSM don’t note this makes them just as complicit in both the insult and the twisting of meaning being used to keep the bears onside.
Green may have been the first to use this but New Rangers fans have grabbed this with both hands, recognising how it can be used for their own purposes. For a good number of them it’s not just a way of flinging back an oft received accusation back – they understand exactly what they are doing, the twisting of meaning going on.
Let’s be clear: the dictionary definition says “especially of race or religion”. And we know from Scottish history that the word “bigotry” has a very specific religious significance and any use of it in this country will almost always have a religious context.
New Rangers aren’t a race or religion, they’re a football club. Their followers may claim to represent a religion but they don’t – many of those that despise what they stood/stand for are of the same religious background that they claim.
Note also “obtuse or narrow minded”. I’d maintain that intolerance of “obtuse or narrow minded” (and hate-filled) behaviour is not bigotry, it’s the very opposite of bigotry. Now they are basically saying that if you are intolerant of evil you are evil too.
Now I may be misrepresenting the MSM, I don’t read too much of it but I’ve not seen or heard of anyone in the MSM pointing out how ludicrous this accusation from Green and the bears is nor any of them pointing out that such an accusation is an insult to sufferers from real bigots and racists. Can anyone point out any examples where I’m mistaken?
What is the job of the journo’s of the Scottish MSM??
To print the facts or to sell papers??
I have some sympathy for those of the printed press in Scotland because it’s abundantly clear that telling the truth could cost jobs.
There’s integrity and then there’s going home to the wife and telling her we’ll need to move in with her mother!!!
It’s a sad state of affairs but then, negative news stories about Rangers or New Rangers doesn’t make money.
Having grasped that, it now amuses me to the lengths that the MSM will go to to appease the hoardes. 🙂
Auldheid says:
August 19, 2012 at 15:46
In a year’s time there is every chance Regan and Doncaster will say that they too were duped.
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This made the old Aneurin Bevan statement jump into my mind, to paraphrase: “If Mr Regan/Doncaster is sincere in what he is saying, and he may be, he may be, then if he is sincere in what he is saying then he is too stupid to be in charge of the SFA/SPL”
Saw this wee gem …..
49,118 a new world record to watch a TRIBUTE ACT….
smallteaser says:
August 19, 2012 at 16:19
Ticketus would struggle to get their money back from 3rd division SFL prices, this would not even cover the discounted amount they paid for them.
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You’re right but I think they are charging 1st division prices – still substantially less than they’d have charged in the SPL mind you.